See other Health Articles
Title: Who says men need to get married to be happy?
Source:
London Times
URL Source: http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ ... lationships/article4922052.ece
Published: Oct 19, 2008
Author: LT
Post Date: 2008-10-19 10:03:31 by robnoel
Keywords: None
Views: 3111
Comments: 124
There comes a point in every man’s life when he must check out of Guyland, wrote Martin Deeson two weeks ago in these pages. This, for those of you who missed it, is the place in a man’s life when he lives singly and without responsibility. A place where he is no longer a boy but not yet a man; where he trips over beer cans in the morning on his way out the door, and asks for the woman he wakes up with to jot down her e-mail rather than her phone number to save him the embarrassment of having to ask her name. It’s also known as bachelorhood and, according to Deeson, the age at which he should make his way to the departure gate is 35. This is when a man should start thinking about finding a good woman and settling down. Shortly afterwards, he should also consider trading in the sports car for a Volvo, donate the Xbox to a children’s charity and decommission the DVD collection. The reward for doing so is a life of simple bliss, where he lives longer and happier, snuggled up in the warm embrace of a loving relationship. Well, not so fast, Deeson. Not everyone feels this way. George Clooney seems to be pretty happy in Guyland. Bruce Parry, the TV adventurer, is 39, and when he’s not rampaging through the Amazon, he hangs out in a beach hut in Ibiza, partying like a dervish. In fact, Clooney shows no sign of wanting to change: when Nicole Kidman bet him $10,000 that he would be married by 40, he mailed the cheque back after his birthday, with a note saying, “Double or nothing for another 10 years”. He’s 47 now. Readers agree. “Stay single and see her at the weekends. Man is not meant to be caged,” wrote Lucas from London. “It’s a great lifestyle choice,” wrote Rob D, also from London. “As for married men living longer, well, the indoor cat lives longer too. But it’s a fur ball with a broken spirit looking out on a world that it will never enjoy.” And I agree, though it is becoming increasingly apparent that many people close to me don’t. Now in my mid-thirties, I am used to my mother asking where various ex-girlfriends were, but then, last weekend, she sat me down and told me that finding a “life partner” was like looking for a job: you had to be determined and focused, she said, before finishing with “and stop faffing”. I’ve lost count of the number of times a friend’s girlfriend has taken me aside and asked me when I am going to “come in from the cold”. Usually I yawn and say, “When I meet the right person”, but even I don’t believe it any more. Truth is, I probably have met the right person, probably more than one. But I’ve been in a couple of long-termers and I’ve seen what marriage can do to my friends, and I’ve decided I am happy in Guyland and I want to hang out here longer. This should be a bit of a worry. Under Deeson’s rubric, if I continue walking single file, I will — in a few years — be suicidally unhappy and statistically more likely to be heading for an early grave. I will drink more, smoke more and slowly go to seed. Women will stop regarding me as an “eligible bachelor” and begin seeing me as, well, a sad spinster. Problem is, I just don’t buy it. For a start, bachelors are different now. Traditionally they can be one of two things: a toxic bachelor who spends his evenings with a bucket of KFC and a can of lager, or a career bachelor who is too busy to socialise because he is working until 3am. Over the past five years, however, a third type has emerged. Dubbed “city adventurers” (which, I grant you, sounds a bit naff — Bear Grylls in pinstripes?), these are single men aged 25-39 with an average wage of more than £40,000. They spend their spare time eating out, going to the pub and the cinema and taking weekend breaks. They will probably ski or snowboard and, when asked, they will say they are knowledgeable about wine (though they probably aren’t). In short, they lead interesting and fulfilling lives. “We have the time to pursue things that we really want to,” says Duncan, a 33-year-old art director who has found a new lease of life since breaking up with his girlfriend. “My friends who are settled have almost every minute of every day accounted for. Because all of my time is not taken up by a relationship, I can write that script, play some squash, chase dreams and enjoy the finer things in life.” Too many feeble men give in to the supposed security of marriage. They see it as panacea to their problems (including, but by no means limited to, alienation, indecision, and lack of direction and motivation). “I don’t want to be the oldest father at the school gates,” lamented one friend recently, explaining why he was getting engaged to his girlfriend, who we all know will make his life a misery. Marriage like this is for wimps. “I genuinely pity most of my married friends, who feel trapped, bored and frustrated,” wrote Mike from Hong Kong. “The only men I know who are happily married are the laid-back guys who need a woman for direction. Marriage is not a smart idea for the alpha male.” My old flatmate, Zar, a 32-year-old lawyer, agrees: “The best thing for me is realising that I have not been panicked into thinking I have met the right person and then discovered that I have married the wrong person, with whom I have a child and am in debt and losing my hair about what school I am going to send them to.” Being single, solvent and in charge of your own life is fun. And then there’s the sex. “When I first found myself a bachelor at 33, I hadn’t realised how much women in their mid-twenties enjoyed the company of a man of that age,” said James, 35. “More cash, more charm and more of the benefit of the trial and error of what women like.” The fact that you probably have a flyer place that isn’t full of deadbeats playing Nintendo only adds to the appeal. Incidentally, dating younger girls draws a curiously bitter response from single women my own age. I remind them that there is nice symmetry in this: every schoolboy remembers the moment at 15 when all the best-looking girls in his year decided they didn’t fancy their spotty-faced contemporaries and began dating the sixth-former with a Vauxhall Astra. It’s not revenge, exactly, but they started it. There are downsides, naturally: having to go out with your married mates on a “pink ticket” when all they want to do is hit pathetic strip clubs because they are so severely rationed by their Mrs; listening to similarly aged single female friends bang on about being left on the shelf; fear of shotgun weddings. And then there’s the part about dying early. It’s true: bachelors die younger than their married counterparts. When I dug deeper, though, I discovered this has a lot to do with smoking, drinking and diet. And if you can keep these things under control, you can hang out in Guyland, well, indefinitely.
Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
Comments (1-83) not displayed.
.
.
.
#84. To: scrapper2 (#71)
Frankly rowdee was being diplomatic in her remarks about what was being said about women to the tune of 33 posts some of which contained links to other equally disagreeable sites. Robnoel posted the article for the single purpose of eliciting posts and links as yours so female posters at 4um could read it all. None of you suggested to take the thread offline. None of you restricted the crude and negative remarks to focus on specific females in your lives. No, the remarks were a scatter shot put-down of women in general. And now you have the hubris to pretend that you're "offended" by the few comments that rowdee and I made as questions, rebuttals on that 200% off-color thread whose sole purpose was to denigrate women? My my what a thin skin you have. You delight in using free speech to showcase your attitudes to women but your boxers get in a twist when female posters exercise their free speech to respond. Do you think free speech is a one-way street? Maybe you should have used the bozo feature to protect yourself from the remarks of women like rowdee and scrapper whose "SOP" is to use "tricks" like "shaming language" on your gentle sensitive intellectual male This was an old thread, but it seemed to have struck a chord with IndyTX. I was pinged and I replied with my opinion, babycakes. If you dont like that opinion, then ignore me and/or the thread. Start your own thread about how bad some/most/all men are, and see if I care. Thank you for providing more examples of shaming language. I am not offended because I expect it, it seems to be ingrained in some females psyches when they dont get what they want, and I personally think it's funny because my skin is not thin like yours. It is all just so predictable. It doesn't have the effect you want it to have because I dont really care what people think of me personally, especially feminists that try to manipulate men to get what they want. That won't get you very far with me, sweet cheeks, and I will expose it at every opportunity. Bozo is a 2 way street, pumpkin. I have no one on bozo, but you are free to add me to your list. Same goes for other people. I am talking specifically to you captain save-a-hoes, you know who you are. I hope IndyTX sticks around.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
I’ve lost count of the number of times a friend’s girlfriend has taken me aside and asked me when I am going to “come in from the cold”. Usually I yawn and say, “When I meet the right person”, but even I don’t believe it any more. Truth is, I probably have met the right person, probably more than one. But I’ve been in a couple of long-termers and I’ve seen what marriage can do to my friends, and I’ve decided I am happy in Guyland and I want to hang out here longer. A set of attitudes brought about by militant feminism, Palimony, and disposable relationships. Certainly the demand by women, beginning in the 1960's for equality was a just and reasonable complaint. However, "Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore" followed by Andrea Dworkin (all sex with a man is rape) rejection of men and treating them as objects (Sperm Donors) to be milked for their financial worth and then discarded when things become "too onerous" resulted in a sea change of male attitudes. Yes, Chivalry is dead - and it was murdered in the night by radical feminists (many lesbians) who simply hated men for the fact of being men. So, all justifiers aside a lot of men are simply reluctant to get involved, or married, because they don't want to be taken to the cleaners, forced to support children they are not allowed to see because they were falsely accused of abuse, neglect, or worse by a bitter ex-wife looking to "get even" and with a lawyer to help. In other words they are frightened and confused. Thanks feminism. So, rather than venture into a realm loaded with land mines and misery a lot of men choose to go against their nature and remain single because they simply do not want to take on the risk of getting married only to have Suzy Creamcheese turn into Cruella DeVille. Like a lot of the social dysfunctions in our culture this is a created dysfunction following a specific agenda. One can see in the writings of Psychiatrists, Brock Chisholm comes to mind, in the late 40's and into the 50's (and earlier with Barnhardt in the 30's) that the family was regarded as a "disease" which got in the way of controlling people. (Note: Chisholm was also the founding Chairman of the "World Federation of Mental Health" in the 1950's.) Feminism was part of the agenda to split the family up and render it dysfunctional and impotent against those seeking to establish a totalitarian world government. While I frequently find myself in disagreement with some of Henry Makow's conclusions he does research his facts: The point here being that the CIA is also linked to multiple psychiatric programs, such as MK Ultra, which are aimed at mass manipulation and individual mind control. The programs, unsurprisingly enough, are run by Psychiatrists - some of whom return to "private practice" such as the one that "treated" Cliebold and Harris of Columbine fame, or Timothy McVeigh. Returning to the main point here - the programs to destabilize the family and create social dysfunction, such as males wishing to remain single - running contrary to our natural inclinations, are all created. Rather diabolically and with malice a forethought as well.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Do we know if these 'programs' were created by women. Or like environuts, were lesbians used to help further the victim agenda? As a small point of reference, look at how the NOW organization stands for 'womens rights'. THEY DON'T. That should be a lesson there for men and women alike. I suggest there is a significant demarcation point in the 'progression' of the American woman and the expectations OF her. At the same time, white males have been demonized. Neither was intended to strengthen relationships, families, or promote the natural. The shredding of the relationship between men and women by way of social engineering, has been entirely engineered by . . . . men. But as a favor to some here, I shall also note it wasn't mere 'men' that did this, this was brought forward though FUNDED victim groups using issues such as domestic violence to wrap around a more vile agenda. So, what shall we do, admit we were manipulated and deal with the wound or wallow and blame, divide and cry, or do we fight back and say, we see what you bastards have done to us all, and we will stand together? The wounds bear bitter stories, and there is enough blame for all. Either we buck up and call out the real perps, or we are doomed to pass this problem along forever. On another note, some people should just not co-habitate with anyone. Nature has loners and as such, leave them be.
Masturbation is like farts, your own smell fine, everyone else's are horribly malodorous and disgusting. If any guy I knew touched my ass like these "male bonder" do, I'd take a baseball bat to them. Rowdee was making fun of the male bonding thing. The video did the same thing. While the video may have been crude, rude and socially unacceptable, I believed it fit right in with her post. If I'd have thought of it last night I would have wnet a different route and played a video of the Lil' Rascals and the "He-man woman-haters club." People (not necessarily you)are taking this thread way too personally IMHO.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...I want my Mommie and my blankie....sob, sob... "more examples of shaming language" ?????? It was so much fun to denigrate women to fellow males on a free speech forum when no female posters called you out on your thread of boorish passive-aggressive puerile trash talk. But the minute 2 female posters respond with free speech rebuttals, suddenly the swaggering virile machismo attitudes crumble and are replaced by hurt little boy personas that go so far as to accuse the 2 female posters of the cardinal psycho babble sin against mankind - the use of "shaming language." Perhaps you need to review the first 30 posts on this thread to get a better idea of what constitutes SHAMEFUL LANGUAGE, which is real and self-evident, not some made up airy fairy New Age concept which you refer to.
Be on the lookout for someone to say that women are too emotional now. Ready, set , block.
I would agree with your comments about about radical feminism being a corrosive factor in society, for successfully pitting females against males and screwing up a natural human desire to love and be loved and to raise a family as a natural off-shoot of that intimate love between a husband and wife. Betty Frieden was a communist first and a feminist second and nuclear family units represented a grave threat to the worship of state government so that's why she and her fellow communist travelers hitched their wagons to "feminism," imo. I'd also add Affirmative Action, that specifically included the female gender which will be the law for the next 25 years though there was no need for such legal enshrinement at this point in society, as having a significant deleterious effect on mutually respectful long term male-female relationships flourishing today. AA continued a sense of false entitlement for females that was already fostered by abortion on demand ( men have no say on the fetus' lives they helped create) and Hollywood's promotion of Girls Just Want to Have Fun With Boy Toys slut shaping message 24/7 along with the concomitant theme of Men Are Useless and Inept and Stupid. Both sexes lose in a society wherein socially engineering, manipulation has free rein.
Not to inject, but who gave birth to those programs? There are plenty of uselful idiots used as their front. And the purpose of those programs were to destroy.
The first step to overcoming this type of passive mass manipulation is to recognize that it has been done and is ongoing. The kinds of manipulation which we have undergone depends for a lot of its strength on remaining unknown and unseen. The moment it is recognized for what it is it loses much of its strength. People still have to overcome some of the implanted "attitudes", but once you know the manipulation is occurring and how it is done then it then begins to unravel. The break-up and engendered opposition is helped along by media encouraging the line that men and women have opposing interests and discouraging people from looking at the data and following it to a logical conclusion. "Why they wouldn't do that - it's just a "conspiracy theory". Of course conspiracies do occur and you can document hundreds of them in the historical record. Maria Medici was not called "the poisoner" just for the hell of it. I would modify that - this has been engineered by psychotics - most of whom are men, but not all. The Queens of England and Denmark, part of the elite cabal, are, last I checked, women. This is not a male versus female issue per se - or at least it should not be. Men and women need not be in opposition - that is the engineering of dysfunction. Have women been, historically, relegated to positions of lesser influence and freedom of action? Most indubitably yes, but combining that with the social disruption agenda is a mistake in reasoning by combining two separate and distinct items and viewing them as one. Women's rightful demand for equality should not be confused with the fragmentation of the social fabric by intent. Feminism, which was begun as the demand by women of recognition of their rightful personhood as free individuals, was hijacked to the ends of another agenda. The intent of the dysfunction is to break up the family unit and place children under state control thus to be better programmed as minions of their "betters". Last member census of NOW that I ran into several years ago - 50% of the membership were self-identified Lesbians. I am not aware of lesbians having much care for Sperm Donors. One can see other elements in the engineered break-up of the family unit as a bedrock in society. In the early 50's black americans had only a slightly higher illegitimacy rate than white americans. Following the introduction of Lyndon Bane Johnson's "Great Society" Programs which rewarded the break-up of the black family and penalized families for being intact we can see over time the acceleration of illegitimacy in black america to it's current rate of about 80%. That is a staggering number. It means that most young black children are raised by one parent, usually the mother, and frequently on Welfare. That does not do a lot of good for black kids and it is no wonder that the crime rate in black communities is so high as the social fabric which creates a community, again the family, has been destroyed - INTENTIONALLY. Now the illegitimacy rate among whites is streaking for the stratosphere as well. It just took them a little longer to do it. First step. Stop playing the "blame game". That is a dead end simply adds more resentment. Education, awareness, and discussions such as this are the first step and then identifying the enemy, isolating them, and neutering them comes next. If someone is a loner there is a reason which is individual to that person. However, that does not mean it is optimum survival. The family forms a bedrock in a stable society for the very reason that it provides, at optimum, a stable environment for the rearing of children. Single Mothers, and Single Fathers both operate at a disadvantage - even if they have enough money to hire a surrogate such as a Nanny. However, most can't hire a Nanny and so the two parent family provides an optimum environment. There are a lot of threads to this problem of enforced social break-up. Taxes are part of it because now taxes have been increased to the point to where in many households both parents must work at an outside job to survive. As well property taxes have been raised to the point to where a person can no longer subsistance farm and live off of their excess production. They have been locked out of the bigger markets and the taxes are so high that they must work somewhere else to pay the taxes. If one steps back and looks at all the subsets together i.e., breaking up the family, endlessly raising taxes, CPS Goons, the "Waronterra", the allowing of millions of peons to invade from south of the border, etc., ... the global picture is one that fits together into a common agenda i.e., totalitarian control by a self selected "elite" of psychotics. Putting men and women at opposition and destroying the family unit is part of that agenda.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...I want my Mommie and my blankie....sob, sob... "more examples of shaming language" ?????? It was so much fun to denigrate women to fellow males on a free speech forum when no female posters called you out on your thread of boorish passive-aggrblah blah blah blah Meh Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
I would agree with your comments about about radical feminism being a corrosive factor in society, for successfully pitting females against males and screwing up a natural human desire to love and be loved and to raise a family as a natural off-shoot of that intimate love between a husband and wife. Betty Frieden was a communist first and a feminist second and nuclear family units represented a grave threat to the worship of state government so that's why she and her fellow communist travelers hitched their wagons to "feminism," imo. I'd also add Affirmative Action, that specifically included the female gender which will be the law for the next 25 years though there was no need for such legal enshrinement at this point in society, as having a significant deleterious effect on mutually respectful long term male-female relationships flourishing today. AA continued a sense of false entitlement for females that was already fostered by abortion on demand ( men have no say on the fetus' lives they helped create) and Hollywood's promotion of Girls Just Want to Have Fun With Boy Toys slut shaping message 24/7 along with the concomitant theme of Men Are Useless and Inept and Stupid. Both sexes lose in a society wherein socially engineering, manipulation has free rein. Excellent overview. Yes the selling of sluthood as desirable has done a lot to degrade women. It is also non-survival in that people who engage in serial promiscuity catch a lot of rather unpleasant infections. I am not a prude and I think sex is a wonderful pastime that should not be reserved just for procreation (despite that being it's biological function). As well the "macho" bragging, without accepting responsibility, about how many "bitches" one has knocked up is equally poisonous. In the end we have several false prophets that have used as tools to further the agenda i.e., Hugh Hefner, Gloria Slimem, Betty Friedan, Paul, greasy, Guccione, et. al., ... The Playboy model was one of irresponsibity and promiscuity - just as the same as sluthood is pushed at women in such glossy trash as "Cosmopolitan". The "men are inept and stupid" meme seems to have more than one intent. It accelerates the break-up of the social fabric by discouraging marriage, and it is aimed primarily at "White Males" so as to fractionate along race lines and encourages White Males of taking on the mantle of "victimhood". Being a "victim" is a very very low order of responsibility and cause.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
No sh*t. Every time I run off for a bit; this thread heads off in a new direction...marriage, football, masturbation. I'm getting dizzy, and I'm not even drinking. Yet.
First, your entire post was brilliant. Second, who of the wounded males will be honest enough to read and learn. I have already accepted that 'females' were used to manipulate, but as master planners of it, no. Though I'm not trying to make it a minor point, it is those simple minded bags who still wore the kneepads for the elite planners. Third, each of us that can accept the bare truth and reject it's desired outcome, have successfully been de-loused. ;) What is missing is the glue to repair and rebuild. Many talk of revolution, but for what? For who? I think we project too much hope on an end state that no one can define, even in it's broadest terms. When people can not rightly identify 'our' common enemy, or prioritize big issues from small, we have doomed any chance of success. Too many are over- stocked with self pride to be honest about their own tiny lint filled navel. In reality, time has already run out. The wolves are moving and it's pretty much every man for himself. As it was designed. And all of this Palin crap, was but a distraction from the largest heist in world history, and greatest movement towards wW3. Not that a woman should notice these things/snark.
Bullshit. It's about not becoming a victim. Only a fucking moron walks into a plainly visible trap. You can play the game with the deck stacked against you if you want, though. Go ahead, make a statement to The Man. Do it for the principle of fighting the eeeevil NWO. Do it for the red white and blue, I dont care. People will do what they want.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
You miss the point. There is a distinct difference in mindset between being victimized and "being a victim". Sure men are getting screwed left and right in the current toxic stew of the culture in which we, unfortunately, live, but that does not require one to take on the role of "victim". My entire point was that the current environment is one which was created and is being created to generate social dysfunction and a sense of powerlessness. Do some women dramatize the part they've been programmed into? Well, yes. Do some men dramatize the part they've been programmed into? Again, yes. The distinction is that you can either be cause or at the effect of someone else's cause. I much prefer being at cause than effect. Much more empowering. It is only natural for women to wish the same. One can make this more complex than it really is. For ages women were made the effect of a Patriarchal Society. A benevolent dictatorship is still a dictatorship. Women, understandably, got tired of being trod upon and used as sperm receptacles. However, the claim upon justice by women simply seeking due equality was subverted, perverted, into a war upon men in order to advance a control agenda. That, not women seeking equality, is the problem. This is not Rocket Science. It just requires being willing to think outside the straightjacket imposed by those doing the manipulation. People are individuals. Some behave well, and some behave badly. Gender has nothing to do with that. However, the current toxic environment of "The War Between the Sexes" is a created conflict. If you can't make the leap to see that I cannot force you to.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
First, thank you for the kind words. Those who are first willing to look, discard prejudices, and then think for themselves are able to learn. Those who will not, cannot. Exactly. A favored old quote of Oliver Wendell Holmes comes to mind: Equally applicable to women and equally true for both men and women. However, the wolves are getting nervous too as too many sheep are waking up. We're in a race against time. Oh'Bummer, intended to be a coup, may have just sped up their demise. Even some Black Leaders are beginning to speak up about the amazing disappearing Birth Certificate. "The Emperor Has No Clothes." That was part of it i.e., a diversion, but I think there were at least two other objectives: 1. Discrediting the Christian Right. 2. To convince the Sheeple that Oh'Bummer was their savior who would fix their "Broken Souls", pay the mortgage, the gas, and put the cat out. I think that it is one measure of how ineffective it was in that they now have Oh'Bummer trying to play "Presidential" in an unprecedented way between now and the Coronation.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Well said, OI! As usual, you show remarkable insight to a thorny issue that's been made to seem very complicated so the guilty social engineers won't be identified as the evil people they are for their destructive game playing.
And nervous they ARE. They are shoving Obongo into a transitional construct so fast, it is becoming all too obvious the 'standing government' structure has been disolved. With the Treasury thoroughly in control of the private FedRes, the financial system moved under the EU, the military now openly operating as a force for the UN and the property of America and it's citizens under foreign ownership, the cards are on the table for anyone to see. Obama has zero influence on this out of control beer wagon. The rotted wood piers are shuddering under the pressure of it all, and soon, very soon, the nattering about rights and woes will evaporate. Those wanting to see it through, will learn to set the old ways aside, and try to find like minded people that have some common sense, integrity and guts to leave the weak minded behind to wallow in their personally applied goo. While perusing the net, I have also found comments here and there about Obama the fraud. That Blacks were sold out again. I think what is still missing from discussion is that this is really it. The financial system is going DOWN. The dollar is going to DIE. There is no going back. We need to think of suriving it, and trying to rebuild. But there are a lot of people that are simply not going to buy into it as they are unable to fathom a world without government entitlement.
Amen.
TOGA !! ******* Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Be thankful that you are NOT a world socialist Traitor ! (Unless, of course, YOU ARE ONE ! Haaaaaahahahaha!)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I see them every day. I feel bad, in a way, cuz I feel like I am looking at dead men (and women, and children) walking.
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. Be thankful you aren't one of THOSE mofos when TSHTF. Cuz itz comin
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I do too and yes they do. I'm over feeling bad about it, though, because I've done everything in my power to wake their sorry, pathetic, dead-spirit asses up. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
So have I. I think I'm going to take advantage of my preparedness though: "Say honey, I have hot running water, and Panteen conditioned shampoo... Care to spend the night?"
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. BTBW (Beware the Black Widow)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I like spiders. :)
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. Just say yes to a Republic. How's that? :)
Well, we are. It's too much to ask people to reject the system they survive on. Only when it's removed, after the chaos if we are blessed or gritty enough to survive it, will we get back to some sort of community. Perhaps the glue will come from those with a common purpose... like breathing.
Daggum it OFN..........I think you've come onto something! Sarah and the J's!!! Must be it. That combination is just too much--no one should have to take responsibility for their own happiness when you have that combo against you. No body. I tell you, no body. May nobody, as well. The very idea that we would have to be responsible for our own happiness! What a concept. And especially, when one considers it is so much easier to blame someone else. I think I'm gonna have to give this Sarah and the Js some more thought, though. I haven't as yet thought through how patriots could even consider taking personal responsibility. I'll have to check out the Federalist Papers again...or sumthin.
I know. But it's not going to be a one night tea-party. I'm talking odds here.
I think I'm gonna have to give this Sarah and the Js some more thought, though. I haven't as yet thought through how patriots could even consider taking personal responsibility. I'll have to check out the Federalist Papers again...or sumthin. Heeheheheheh!! We should check to see if there was any mention of a Mooseburger faction./s Maybe it is so many are fixated on finding one culprit, when in fact, there are many that manipulate opinion around to confuse and obfuscate. In sports, we have a tendency to watch the ball and ignore the peripheral players. They're really the ones that move the game.
BTW, have a good Big Bird Day. LOL! Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I have to interject here that it is important to realize that the radical feminists were also determined to devastate and lay low the women who didn't go along with their ideas. I found that out firsthand as I worked my way up the ladder of management with ARCO. Oh boy, the two broads from Who's Who of Women something or other were all enthused to meet with me so they could write me as as the first woman to _____________________ and ________________ with a major company. When we met and I told them I had worked my butt off just like any man would have to get the position, they were somewhat taken aback, and when I informed them I wasn't into burning my bras as I needed them, they were rather quick to leave. They knew they weren't going to manipulate me for their gain. I think I agree with your opinion regarding hitching their wagons to the feminist movement.
<--snip--> Putting men and women at opposition and destroying the family unit is part of that agenda. Bingo. Another one of those divisionary games played against the rank and file citizens. Black against white. Jews against Moslims. Yellow vs Blue. Catholic vs Baptist. Up vs down. Right vs Wrong. Democrap vs Republocrap. But I have news for a lot of you.........it is even happening in religious circles. In ways you wouldn't think of. For instance, I buy books occasionally from an online christian book store. You wouldn't believe the number of bibles and devotionals marked 'Her _____" or "Just for Her" or some other bullshit. And then you turn around and there is the "Men's Bible" or "Just for Him". Egads--God doesn't look at gender; Jesus Christ didn't pass out beliefs for the 'hims' and different ones for the 'hers'! What is that old, old saying.............oh yes, 'UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL'. Looks like they have one hell of a good time with that 'dividing' stuff.
The more astute among Black America do get that. I think the fear is beginning to dawn that Oh'Bummer could set them back many years. They've been had by a huckster, a Manchurian Candidate who happens to get classified as black. We will. However next year is going to be "very interesting" in the Chinese sense. The rot is becoming too apparent and there are too many people becoming aware and who are not willing to play along with their own enslavement and murder. The multi-trillion theft from the treasury (when you get a bill passed by extortion it is not legitimate) kind of made things "a little obvious". We currently have Organized Crime running the country. That is the simplicity.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Looks like they have one hell of a good time with that 'dividing' stuff. Yup. That's the game - keep us separated into warring camps and not paying any attention to the Weasel in the Chicken Coop.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Well said, OI! As usual, you show remarkable insight to a thorny issue that's been made to seem very complicated so the guilty social engineers won't be identified as the evil people they are for their destructive game playing. Thank you for the kind words. All problems are ultimately simple. You simply have to find the correct "why" for the problem. You know you have the correct "why" when it is a simple observation that allows the problem to be solved. The check on the proof is that if it does not allow you to resolve the problem then it is not the correct "why".
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I see it all right. I know there is manipulation going on. The manipulation worked. Fight it, and you stand a better than 50-50 chance you will be taken to the cleaners and your life ruined, for all practical intents and purposes. What other kind of investment comes with that kind of odds? And all this, for what exactly??? What is the payoff? Sex? LMAO. Western women are so easy there is no need for marriage, and we all know what happens to a mans sex life after marriage. Love? ha. Kids? you probably will lose custody. They cant even cook worth a damn. There is no positive side to marriage. It's all risk, no benefit. Westernized women take advantage of this manipulation, because they can. If the Chinese or better yet, the Russians want to invade us, send us your women. They will be welcomed with open arms. Maybe we can work out some kind of trade, but it will take an especially good negotiator/liar to pull that off.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
Absolutely. Not going to be pretty. We currently have Organized Crime running the country. That is the simplicity. I feel like we were the last to know, but I guess we've been here before. From the time machine: This is the Dr. Beter AUDIO LETTER(R), 1629 K St. NW, Washington, D.C. 20006. Hello, my friends, this is Dr. Beter. Today is November 3, 1982, and this is my AUDIO LETTER(R) #80
Thank you for providing more examples of shaming language. I am not offended because I expect it, it seems to be ingrained in some females psyches when they dont get what they want, and I personally think it's funny because my skin is not thin like yours. It is all just so predictable. It doesn't have the effect you want it to have because I dont really care what people think of me personally, especially feminists that try to manipulate men to get what they want. That won't get you very far with me, sweet cheeks, and I will expose it at every opportunity. Thanks PSUSA. Notice the degrading attitudes from said posters have NOT stopped, even after all this. I volunteer with victims of spouse abuse. IT IS A VALID SUBJECT FOR 4UM. Unfortunately, women don't seem to take it seriously, which is only one of the reasons men rarely report abuse..due to ostracism by the system. BOTH Sexes are abused. It exists. It is NO laughing matter. Shaming language towards men is just one kind of abuse women use, besides their fists, and threats to cut off sex and steal the kids. And yet, they belittle men and it still continues...UNTIL OF COURSE THEY ARE ABUSED. Then it's "whine whine" as was quoted above. So, with that said, I'll go back to banging my tom-toms and try to "grow a pair" as I was so boldly told.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition SILENT RUNNING Hey, I am just glad you're back!
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
lease tell me what the point was of the article and the thread posts if it was not to show various examples of misogyny.
#85. To: robnoel (#0)
(Edited)
And I agree, though it is becoming increasingly apparent that many people close to me don’t. Now in my mid-thirties, I am used to my mother asking where various ex-girlfriends were, but then, last weekend, she sat me down and told me that finding a “life partner” was like looking for a job: you had to be determined and focused, she said, before finishing with “and stop faffing”.
"Brock Chisholm (1959 Humanist of the Year) was at one time head of the World Health Organization, and in the February 1946 issue of PSYCHIATRY he wrote, "To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family tradition national patriotism, and religious dogmas....We have swallowed all manner of poisonous certainties fed us by our parents, our Sunday and day school teachers, our politicians, our priests....The reinterpretation and eventual eradication of the concept of right and wrong which has been the basis of child training, the substitution of intelligent and rational thinking for faith in the certainties of old people, these are the belated objectives...for charting the changes in human behavior."
March 18, 2002
by Henry Makow Ph.D.
"In the 1960's, the elite media invented second-wave feminism as part of the elite agenda to dismantle civilization and create a New World Order."
Since writing these words last week, I have discovered that before she became a feminist leader, Gloria Steinem worked for the CIA spying on Marxist students in Europe and disrupting their meetings. She became a media darling due to her CIA connections. MS Magazine, which she edited for many years was indirectly funded by the CIA.
Steinem has tried to suppress this information, unearthed in the 1970's by a radical feminist group called "Red Stockings." In 1979, Steinem and her powerful CIA-connected friends, Katharine Graham of the Washington Post and Ford Foundation President Franklin Thomas prevented Random House from publishing it in "Feminist Revolution." Nevertheless the story appeared in the "Village Voice" on May 21, 1979.
Steinem has always pretended that she had been a student radical. "When I was in college, it was the McCarthy era," she told Susan Mitchell in 1997, "and that made me a Marxist." (Icons, Saints and Divas: Intimate Conversations with Women who Changed the World 1997. p 130) Her bio-blurb in June 1973 MS. Magazine states: "Gloria Steinem has been a freelance writer all her professional life. Ms magazine is her first full-time salaried job."
Not true. Raised in an impoverished, dysfunctional family in Toledo Ohio, Steinem somehow managed to attend elite Smith College, Betty Friedan's alma mater. After graduating in 1955, Steinem received a "Chester Bowles Student Fellowship" to study in India. Curiously, an Internet search reveals that this fellowship has no existence apart from Gloria Steinem. No one else has received it.
In 1958, Steinem was recruited by CIA's Cord Meyers to direct an "informal group of activists" called the "Independent Research Service." This was part of Meyer's "Congress for Cultural Freedom," which created magazines like "Encounter" and "Partisan Review" to promote a left-liberal chic to oppose Marxism. Steinem, attended Communist-sponsored youth festivals in Europe, published a newspaper, reported on other participants, and helped to provoke riots. ..."
#86. To: Original_Intent (#85)
(Edited)
#87. To: Ferret Mike (#70)
In zero context am I into real or simulated male masturbation. Sorry.
#88. To: PSUSA (#84)
Thank you for providing more examples of shaming language.
#89. To: scrapper2 (#88)
#90. To: Original_Intent (#85)
A set of attitudes brought about by militant feminism, Palimony, and disposable relationships.
#91. To: scrapper2 (#90)
(Edited)
#92. To: OliviaFNewton, christine, rowdee, Scrapper2, Jethro Tull, Cynicom, robnoel, all (#86)
So, what shall we do, admit we were manipulated and deal with the wound or wallow and blame, divide and cry, or do we fight back and say, we see what you bastards have done to us all, and we will stand together?
The shredding of the relationship between men and women by way of social engineering, has been entirely engineered by . . . . men. But as a favor to some here, I shall also note it wasn't mere 'men' that did this, this was brought forward though FUNDED victim groups using issues such as domestic violence to wrap around a more vile agenda.
Do we know if these 'programs' were created by women. Or like environuts, were lesbians used to help further the victim agenda? As a small point of reference, look at how the NOW organization stands for 'womens rights'. THEY DON'T. ...
The wounds bear bitter stories, and there is enough blame for all. Either we buck up and call out the real perps, or we are doomed to pass this problem along forever.
On another note, some people should just not co-habitate with anyone. Nature has loners and as such, leave them be.
#93. To: scrapper2 (#88)
hank you for providing more examples of shaming language.
#94. To: scrapper2 (#90)
A set of attitudes brought about by militant feminism, Palimony, and disposable relationships.
#95. To: Jethro Tull (#77)
I've participated in my share of dopey threads here, but this mess takes the cake.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#96. To: Original_Intent (#92)
Putting men and women at opposition and destroying the family unit is part of that agenda.
#97. To: Original_Intent (#94)
so as to fractionate along race lines and encourages White Males of taking on the mantle of "victimhood".
#98. To: PSUSA (#97)
#99. To: OliviaFNewton (#96)
Second, who of the wounded males will be honest enough to read and learn. I have already accepted that 'females' were used to manipulate, but as master planners of it, no. Though I'm not trying to make it a minor point, it is those simple minded bags who still wore the kneepads for the elite planners.
Third, each of us that can accept the bare truth and reject it's desired outcome, have successfully been de-loused.
"A man's mind expanded to contain a new idea never returns to its former dimension."
In reality, time has already run out. The wolves are moving and it's pretty much every man for himself.
As it was designed. And all of this Palin crap, was but a distraction from the largest heist in world history, and greatest movement towards wW3. Not that a woman should notice these things/snark.
#100. To: Original_Intent (#98)
People are individuals. Some behave well, and some behave badly. Gender has nothing to do with that. However, the current toxic environment of "The War Between the Sexes" is a created conflict.
#101. To: Original_Intent (#99)
are getting nervous too as too many sheep are waking up
#102. To: scrapper2 (#100)
#103. To: OliviaFNewton, Original_Intent, masturbating fart boy ferret mike, ALL (#96)
What is missing is the glue to repair and rebuild.
#104. To: OliviaFNewton (#101)
But there are a lot of people that are simply not going to buy into it as they are unable to fathom a world without government entitlement.
Body Art Cobleskill, NY
#105. To: OliviaFNewton (#101)
With the Treasury thoroughly in control of the private FedRes, the financial system moved under the EU, the military now openly operating as a force for the UN and the property of America and it's citizens under foreign ownership, the cards are on the table for anyone to see.
#106. To: Critter (#104)
I see them every day. I feel bad, in a way, cuz I feel like I am looking at dead men (and women, and children) walking.
#107. To: Rotara (#106)
I'm over feeling bad about it, though, because I've done everything in my power to wake their sorry, pathetic, dead-spirit asses up. ;-)
Body Art Cobleskill, NY
#108. To: Critter (#107)
"Say honey, I have hot running water, and Panteen conditioned shampoo... Care to spend the night?"
#109. To: Rotara (#108)
(Beware the Black Widow)
Body Art Cobleskill, NY
#110. To: Rotara (#103)
#111. To: Critter (#104)
I see them every day. I feel bad, in a way, cuz I feel like I am looking at dead men (and women, and children) walking.
#112. To: OliviaFNewton (#83)
Well Sarah did seem to fling open the floodgates of wronged male misery, but I did read she has a flag of Israel in her office.
#113. To: Rotara (#105)
Cuz itz comin
#114. To: rowdee (#112)
That combination is just too much--no one should have to take responsibility for their own happiness when you have that combo against you. No body. I tell you, no body. May nobody, as well. The very idea that we would have to be responsible for our own happiness! What a concept. And especially, when one considers it is so much easier to blame someone else.
#115. To: rowdee, all (#82)
WHAT! Blame Sarah? OMG.........haven't you heard? When there is BLAME to be had it is the "joos". Leastways, that is all I've seen in these parts as the party to blame.
Lord Acton
#116. To: scrapper2 (#90)
I would agree with your comments about about radical feminism being a corrosive factor in society, for successfully pitting females against males and screwing up a natural human desire to love and be loved and to raise a family as a natural off-shoot of that intimate love between a husband and wife. Betty Frieden was a communist first and a feminist second and nuclear family units represented a grave threat to the worship of state government so that's why she and her fellow communist travelers hitched their wagons to "feminism," imo.
#117. To: Original_Intent (#92)
First step. Stop playing the "blame game". That is a dead end simply adds more resentment. Education, awareness, and discussions such as this are the first step and then identifying the enemy, isolating them, and neutering them comes next.
#118. To: OliviaFNewton (#101)
While perusing the net, I have also found comments here and there about Obama the fraud. That Blacks were sold out again. I think what is still missing from discussion is that this is really it.
The financial system is going DOWN. The dollar is going to DIE. There is no going back.
We need to think of suriving it, and trying to rebuild.
#119. To: rowdee (#117)
What is that old, old saying.............oh yes, 'UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL'.
#120. To: scrapper2 (#100)
People are individuals. Some behave well, and some behave badly. Gender has nothing to do with that. However, the current toxic environment of "The War Between the Sexes" is a created conflict.
#121. To: Original_Intent (#98)
If you can't make the leap to see that I cannot force you to.
#122. To: Original_Intent (#118)
However next year is going to be "very interesting" in the Chinese sense.
#123. To: PSUSA, ALL (#84)
(Edited)
This was an old thread, but it seemed to have struck a chord with IndyTX. I was pinged and I replied with my opinion, babycakes. If you dont like that opinion, then ignore me and/or the thread. Start your own thread about how bad some/most/all men are, and see if I care.
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#124. To: IndieTX (#123)
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest