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Title: Who says men need to get married to be happy?
Source: London Times
URL Source: http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ ... lationships/article4922052.ece
Published: Oct 19, 2008
Author: LT
Post Date: 2008-10-19 10:03:31 by robnoel
Keywords: None
Views: 3150
Comments: 124

There comes a point in every man’s life when he must check out of Guyland, wrote Martin Deeson two weeks ago in these pages. This, for those of you who missed it, is the place in a man’s life when he lives singly and without responsibility. A place where he is no longer a boy but not yet a man; where he trips over beer cans in the morning on his way out the door, and asks for the woman he wakes up with to jot down her e-mail rather than her phone number to save him the embarrassment of having to ask her name.

It’s also known as bachelorhood and, according to Deeson, the age at which he should make his way to the departure gate is 35. This is when a man should start thinking about finding a good woman and settling down. Shortly afterwards, he should also consider trading in the sports car for a Volvo, donate the Xbox to a children’s charity and decommission the DVD collection. The reward for doing so is a life of simple bliss, where he lives longer and happier, snuggled up in the warm embrace of a loving relationship.

Well, not so fast, Deeson. Not everyone feels this way. George Clooney seems to be pretty happy in Guyland. Bruce Parry, the TV adventurer, is 39, and when he’s not rampaging through the Amazon, he hangs out in a beach hut in Ibiza, partying like a dervish. In fact, Clooney shows no sign of wanting to change: when Nicole Kidman bet him $10,000 that he would be married by 40, he mailed the cheque back after his birthday, with a note saying, “Double or nothing for another 10 years”. He’s 47 now.

Readers agree. “Stay single and see her at the weekends. Man is not meant to be caged,” wrote Lucas from London. “It’s a great lifestyle choice,” wrote Rob D, also from London. “As for married men living longer, well, the indoor cat lives longer too. But it’s a fur ball with a broken spirit looking out on a world that it will never enjoy.”

And I agree, though it is becoming increasingly apparent that many people close to me don’t. Now in my mid-thirties, I am used to my mother asking where various ex-girlfriends were, but then, last weekend, she sat me down and told me that finding a “life partner” was like looking for a job: you had to be determined and focused, she said, before finishing with “and stop faffing”.

I’ve lost count of the number of times a friend’s girlfriend has taken me aside and asked me when I am going to “come in from the cold”. Usually I yawn and say, “When I meet the right person”, but even I don’t believe it any more. Truth is, I probably have met the right person, probably more than one. But I’ve been in a couple of long-termers and I’ve seen what marriage can do to my friends, and I’ve decided I am happy in Guyland and I want to hang out here longer.

This should be a bit of a worry. Under Deeson’s rubric, if I continue walking single file, I will — in a few years — be suicidally unhappy and statistically more likely to be heading for an early grave. I will drink more, smoke more and slowly go to seed. Women will stop regarding me as an “eligible bachelor” and begin seeing me as, well, a sad spinster.

Problem is, I just don’t buy it. For a start, bachelors are different now. Traditionally they can be one of two things: a toxic bachelor who spends his evenings with a bucket of KFC and a can of lager, or a career bachelor who is too busy to socialise because he is working until 3am.

Over the past five years, however, a third type has emerged. Dubbed “city adventurers” (which, I grant you, sounds a bit naff — Bear Grylls in pinstripes?), these are single men aged 25-39 with an average wage of more than £40,000. They spend their spare time eating out, going to the pub and the cinema and taking weekend breaks. They will probably ski or snowboard and, when asked, they will say they are knowledgeable about wine (though they probably aren’t).

In short, they lead interesting and fulfilling lives. “We have the time to pursue things that we really want to,” says Duncan, a 33-year-old art director who has found a new lease of life since breaking up with his girlfriend. “My friends who are settled have almost every minute of every day accounted for. Because all of my time is not taken up by a relationship, I can write that script, play some squash, chase dreams and enjoy the finer things in life.”

Too many feeble men give in to the supposed security of marriage. They see it as panacea to their problems (including, but by no means limited to, alienation, indecision, and lack of direction and motivation). “I don’t want to be the oldest father at the school gates,” lamented one friend recently, explaining why he was getting engaged to his girlfriend, who we all know will make his life a misery.

Marriage like this is for wimps. “I genuinely pity most of my married friends, who feel trapped, bored and frustrated,” wrote Mike from Hong Kong. “The only men I know who are happily married are the laid-back guys who need a woman for direction. Marriage is not a smart idea for the alpha male.”

My old flatmate, Zar, a 32-year-old lawyer, agrees: “The best thing for me is realising that I have not been panicked into thinking I have met the right person and then discovered that I have married the wrong person, with whom I have a child and am in debt and losing my hair about what school I am going to send them to.”

Being single, solvent and in charge of your own life is fun. And then there’s the sex. “When I first found myself a bachelor at 33, I hadn’t realised how much women in their mid-twenties enjoyed the company of a man of that age,” said James, 35. “More cash, more charm and more of the benefit of the trial and error of what women like.”

The fact that you probably have a flyer place that isn’t full of deadbeats playing Nintendo only adds to the appeal.

Incidentally, dating younger girls draws a curiously bitter response from single women my own age. I remind them that there is nice symmetry in this: every schoolboy remembers the moment at 15 when all the best-looking girls in his year decided they didn’t fancy their spotty-faced contemporaries and began dating the sixth-former with a Vauxhall Astra. It’s not revenge, exactly, but they started it.

There are downsides, naturally: having to go out with your married mates on a “pink ticket” when all they want to do is hit pathetic strip clubs because they are so severely rationed by their Mrs; listening to similarly aged single female friends bang on about being left on the shelf; fear of shotgun weddings.

And then there’s the part about dying early. It’s true: bachelors die younger than their married counterparts. When I dug deeper, though, I discovered this has a lot to do with smoking, drinking and diet. And if you can keep these things under control, you can hang out in Guyland, well, indefinitely.

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#85. To: robnoel (#0) (Edited)

And I agree, though it is becoming increasingly apparent that many people close to me don’t. Now in my mid-thirties, I am used to my mother asking where various ex-girlfriends were, but then, last weekend, she sat me down and told me that finding a “life partner” was like looking for a job: you had to be determined and focused, she said, before finishing with “and stop faffing”.

I’ve lost count of the number of times a friend’s girlfriend has taken me aside and asked me when I am going to “come in from the cold”. Usually I yawn and say, “When I meet the right person”, but even I don’t believe it any more. Truth is, I probably have met the right person, probably more than one. But I’ve been in a couple of long-termers and I’ve seen what marriage can do to my friends, and I’ve decided I am happy in Guyland and I want to hang out here longer.

A set of attitudes brought about by militant feminism, Palimony, and disposable relationships.

Certainly the demand by women, beginning in the 1960's for equality was a just and reasonable complaint.

However, "Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore" followed by Andrea Dworkin (all sex with a man is rape) rejection of men and treating them as objects (Sperm Donors) to be milked for their financial worth and then discarded when things become "too onerous" resulted in a sea change of male attitudes. Yes, Chivalry is dead - and it was murdered in the night by radical feminists (many lesbians) who simply hated men for the fact of being men. So, all justifiers aside a lot of men are simply reluctant to get involved, or married, because they don't want to be taken to the cleaners, forced to support children they are not allowed to see because they were falsely accused of abuse, neglect, or worse by a bitter ex-wife looking to "get even" and with a lawyer to help. In other words they are frightened and confused. Thanks feminism. So, rather than venture into a realm loaded with land mines and misery a lot of men choose to go against their nature and remain single because they simply do not want to take on the risk of getting married only to have Suzy Creamcheese turn into Cruella DeVille.

Like a lot of the social dysfunctions in our culture this is a created dysfunction following a specific agenda. One can see in the writings of Psychiatrists, Brock Chisholm comes to mind, in the late 40's and into the 50's (and earlier with Barnhardt in the 30's) that the family was regarded as a "disease" which got in the way of controlling people.

"Brock Chisholm (1959 Humanist of the Year) was at one time head of the World Health Organization, and in the February 1946 issue of PSYCHIATRY he wrote, "To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family tradition national patriotism, and religious dogmas....We have swallowed all manner of poisonous certainties fed us by our parents, our Sunday and day school teachers, our politicians, our priests....The reinterpretation and eventual eradication of the concept of right and wrong which has been the basis of child training, the substitution of intelligent and rational thinking for faith in the certainties of old people, these are the belated objectives...for charting the changes in human behavior."

(Note: Chisholm was also the founding Chairman of the "World Federation of Mental Health" in the 1950's.)

Feminism was part of the agenda to split the family up and render it dysfunctional and impotent against those seeking to establish a totalitarian world government.

While I frequently find myself in disagreement with some of Henry Makow's conclusions he does research his facts:

March 18, 2002

by Henry Makow Ph.D.

"In the 1960's, the elite media invented second-wave feminism as part of the elite agenda to dismantle civilization and create a New World Order."

Since writing these words last week, I have discovered that before she became a feminist leader, Gloria Steinem worked for the CIA spying on Marxist students in Europe and disrupting their meetings. She became a media darling due to her CIA connections. MS Magazine, which she edited for many years was indirectly funded by the CIA.

Steinem has tried to suppress this information, unearthed in the 1970's by a radical feminist group called "Red Stockings." In 1979, Steinem and her powerful CIA-connected friends, Katharine Graham of the Washington Post and Ford Foundation President Franklin Thomas prevented Random House from publishing it in "Feminist Revolution." Nevertheless the story appeared in the "Village Voice" on May 21, 1979.

Steinem has always pretended that she had been a student radical. "When I was in college, it was the McCarthy era," she told Susan Mitchell in 1997, "and that made me a Marxist." (Icons, Saints and Divas: Intimate Conversations with Women who Changed the World 1997. p 130) Her bio-blurb in June 1973 MS. Magazine states: "Gloria Steinem has been a freelance writer all her professional life. Ms magazine is her first full-time salaried job."

Not true. Raised in an impoverished, dysfunctional family in Toledo Ohio, Steinem somehow managed to attend elite Smith College, Betty Friedan's alma mater. After graduating in 1955, Steinem received a "Chester Bowles Student Fellowship" to study in India. Curiously, an Internet search reveals that this fellowship has no existence apart from Gloria Steinem. No one else has received it.

In 1958, Steinem was recruited by CIA's Cord Meyers to direct an "informal group of activists" called the "Independent Research Service." This was part of Meyer's "Congress for Cultural Freedom," which created magazines like "Encounter" and "Partisan Review" to promote a left-liberal chic to oppose Marxism. Steinem, attended Communist-sponsored youth festivals in Europe, published a newspaper, reported on other participants, and helped to provoke riots. ..."

The point here being that the CIA is also linked to multiple psychiatric programs, such as MK Ultra, which are aimed at mass manipulation and individual mind control. The programs, unsurprisingly enough, are run by Psychiatrists - some of whom return to "private practice" such as the one that "treated" Cliebold and Harris of Columbine fame, or Timothy McVeigh.

Returning to the main point here - the programs to destabilize the family and create social dysfunction, such as males wishing to remain single - running contrary to our natural inclinations, are all created. Rather diabolically and with malice a forethought as well.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-11-27   15:26:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Original_Intent (#85) (Edited)

Do we know if these 'programs' were created by women. Or like environuts, were lesbians used to help further the victim agenda? As a small point of reference, look at how the NOW organization stands for 'womens rights'. THEY DON'T. That should be a lesson there for men and women alike. I suggest there is a significant demarcation point in the 'progression' of the American woman and the expectations OF her. At the same time, white males have been demonized. Neither was intended to strengthen relationships, families, or promote the natural.

The shredding of the relationship between men and women by way of social engineering, has been entirely engineered by . . . . men. But as a favor to some here, I shall also note it wasn't mere 'men' that did this, this was brought forward though FUNDED victim groups using issues such as domestic violence to wrap around a more vile agenda.

So, what shall we do, admit we were manipulated and deal with the wound or wallow and blame, divide and cry, or do we fight back and say, we see what you bastards have done to us all, and we will stand together?

The wounds bear bitter stories, and there is enough blame for all. Either we buck up and call out the real perps, or we are doomed to pass this problem along forever.

On another note, some people should just not co-habitate with anyone. Nature has loners and as such, leave them be.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-27   15:42:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: OliviaFNewton, christine, rowdee, Scrapper2, Jethro Tull, Cynicom, robnoel, all (#86)

So, what shall we do, admit we were manipulated and deal with the wound or wallow and blame, divide and cry, or do we fight back and say, we see what you bastards have done to us all, and we will stand together?

The first step to overcoming this type of passive mass manipulation is to recognize that it has been done and is ongoing. The kinds of manipulation which we have undergone depends for a lot of its strength on remaining unknown and unseen. The moment it is recognized for what it is it loses much of its strength. People still have to overcome some of the implanted "attitudes", but once you know the manipulation is occurring and how it is done then it then begins to unravel. The break-up and engendered opposition is helped along by media encouraging the line that men and women have opposing interests and discouraging people from looking at the data and following it to a logical conclusion. "Why they wouldn't do that - it's just a "conspiracy theory". Of course conspiracies do occur and you can document hundreds of them in the historical record. Maria Medici was not called "the poisoner" just for the hell of it.

The shredding of the relationship between men and women by way of social engineering, has been entirely engineered by . . . . men. But as a favor to some here, I shall also note it wasn't mere 'men' that did this, this was brought forward though FUNDED victim groups using issues such as domestic violence to wrap around a more vile agenda.

I would modify that - this has been engineered by psychotics - most of whom are men, but not all. The Queens of England and Denmark, part of the elite cabal, are, last I checked, women. This is not a male versus female issue per se - or at least it should not be. Men and women need not be in opposition - that is the engineering of dysfunction. Have women been, historically, relegated to positions of lesser influence and freedom of action? Most indubitably yes, but combining that with the social disruption agenda is a mistake in reasoning by combining two separate and distinct items and viewing them as one. Women's rightful demand for equality should not be confused with the fragmentation of the social fabric by intent. Feminism, which was begun as the demand by women of recognition of their rightful personhood as free individuals, was hijacked to the ends of another agenda. The intent of the dysfunction is to break up the family unit and place children under state control thus to be better programmed as minions of their "betters".

Do we know if these 'programs' were created by women. Or like environuts, were lesbians used to help further the victim agenda? As a small point of reference, look at how the NOW organization stands for 'womens rights'. THEY DON'T. ...

Last member census of NOW that I ran into several years ago - 50% of the membership were self-identified Lesbians. I am not aware of lesbians having much care for Sperm Donors.

One can see other elements in the engineered break-up of the family unit as a bedrock in society. In the early 50's black americans had only a slightly higher illegitimacy rate than white americans. Following the introduction of Lyndon Bane Johnson's "Great Society" Programs which rewarded the break-up of the black family and penalized families for being intact we can see over time the acceleration of illegitimacy in black america to it's current rate of about 80%. That is a staggering number. It means that most young black children are raised by one parent, usually the mother, and frequently on Welfare. That does not do a lot of good for black kids and it is no wonder that the crime rate in black communities is so high as the social fabric which creates a community, again the family, has been destroyed - INTENTIONALLY. Now the illegitimacy rate among whites is streaking for the stratosphere as well. It just took them a little longer to do it.

The wounds bear bitter stories, and there is enough blame for all. Either we buck up and call out the real perps, or we are doomed to pass this problem along forever.

First step. Stop playing the "blame game". That is a dead end simply adds more resentment. Education, awareness, and discussions such as this are the first step and then identifying the enemy, isolating them, and neutering them comes next.

On another note, some people should just not co-habitate with anyone. Nature has loners and as such, leave them be.

If someone is a loner there is a reason which is individual to that person. However, that does not mean it is optimum survival. The family forms a bedrock in a stable society for the very reason that it provides, at optimum, a stable environment for the rearing of children. Single Mothers, and Single Fathers both operate at a disadvantage - even if they have enough money to hire a surrogate such as a Nanny. However, most can't hire a Nanny and so the two parent family provides an optimum environment.

There are a lot of threads to this problem of enforced social break-up. Taxes are part of it because now taxes have been increased to the point to where in many households both parents must work at an outside job to survive. As well property taxes have been raised to the point to where a person can no longer subsistance farm and live off of their excess production. They have been locked out of the bigger markets and the taxes are so high that they must work somewhere else to pay the taxes.

If one steps back and looks at all the subsets together i.e., breaking up the family, endlessly raising taxes, CPS Goons, the "Waronterra", the allowing of millions of peons to invade from south of the border, etc., ... the global picture is one that fits together into a common agenda i.e., totalitarian control by a self selected "elite" of psychotics.

Putting men and women at opposition and destroying the family unit is part of that agenda.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-11-27   16:54:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Original_Intent (#92)

Putting men and women at opposition and destroying the family unit is part of that agenda.

First, your entire post was brilliant.

Second, who of the wounded males will be honest enough to read and learn. I have already accepted that 'females' were used to manipulate, but as master planners of it, no. Though I'm not trying to make it a minor point, it is those simple minded bags who still wore the kneepads for the elite planners.

Third, each of us that can accept the bare truth and reject it's desired outcome, have successfully been de-loused. ;)

What is missing is the glue to repair and rebuild.

Many talk of revolution, but for what? For who? I think we project too much hope on an end state that no one can define, even in it's broadest terms. When people can not rightly identify 'our' common enemy, or prioritize big issues from small, we have doomed any chance of success. Too many are over- stocked with self pride to be honest about their own tiny lint filled navel.

In reality, time has already run out. The wolves are moving and it's pretty much every man for himself.

As it was designed. And all of this Palin crap, was but a distraction from the largest heist in world history, and greatest movement towards wW3. Not that a woman should notice these things/snark.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-27   17:28:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: OliviaFNewton (#96)

First, thank you for the kind words.

Second, who of the wounded males will be honest enough to read and learn. I have already accepted that 'females' were used to manipulate, but as master planners of it, no. Though I'm not trying to make it a minor point, it is those simple minded bags who still wore the kneepads for the elite planners.

Those who are first willing to look, discard prejudices, and then think for themselves are able to learn. Those who will not, cannot.

Third, each of us that can accept the bare truth and reject it's desired outcome, have successfully been de-loused.

Exactly. A favored old quote of Oliver Wendell Holmes comes to mind:

"A man's mind expanded to contain a new idea never returns to its former dimension."

Equally applicable to women and equally true for both men and women.

In reality, time has already run out. The wolves are moving and it's pretty much every man for himself.

However, the wolves are getting nervous too as too many sheep are waking up. We're in a race against time. Oh'Bummer, intended to be a coup, may have just sped up their demise. Even some Black Leaders are beginning to speak up about the amazing disappearing Birth Certificate. "The Emperor Has No Clothes."

As it was designed. And all of this Palin crap, was but a distraction from the largest heist in world history, and greatest movement towards wW3. Not that a woman should notice these things/snark.

That was part of it i.e., a diversion, but I think there were at least two other objectives:

1. Discrediting the Christian Right.

2. To convince the Sheeple that Oh'Bummer was their savior who would fix their "Broken Souls", pay the mortgage, the gas, and put the cat out.

I think that it is one measure of how ineffective it was in that they now have Oh'Bummer trying to play "Presidential" in an unprecedented way between now and the Coronation.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-11-27   18:30:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Original_Intent (#99)

are getting nervous too as too many sheep are waking up

And nervous they ARE.

They are shoving Obongo into a transitional construct so fast, it is becoming all too obvious the 'standing government' structure has been disolved.

With the Treasury thoroughly in control of the private FedRes, the financial system moved under the EU, the military now openly operating as a force for the UN and the property of America and it's citizens under foreign ownership, the cards are on the table for anyone to see.

Obama has zero influence on this out of control beer wagon. The rotted wood piers are shuddering under the pressure of it all, and soon, very soon, the nattering about rights and woes will evaporate. Those wanting to see it through, will learn to set the old ways aside, and try to find like minded people that have some common sense, integrity and guts to leave the weak minded behind to wallow in their personally applied goo.

While perusing the net, I have also found comments here and there about Obama the fraud. That Blacks were sold out again. I think what is still missing from discussion is that this is really it.

The financial system is going DOWN. The dollar is going to DIE. There is no going back.

We need to think of suriving it, and trying to rebuild.

But there are a lot of people that are simply not going to buy into it as they are unable to fathom a world without government entitlement.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-27   18:57:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: OliviaFNewton (#101)

While perusing the net, I have also found comments here and there about Obama the fraud. That Blacks were sold out again. I think what is still missing from discussion is that this is really it.

The more astute among Black America do get that. I think the fear is beginning to dawn that Oh'Bummer could set them back many years.

They've been had by a huckster, a Manchurian Candidate who happens to get classified as black.

The financial system is going DOWN. The dollar is going to DIE. There is no going back.

We need to think of suriving it, and trying to rebuild.

We will. However next year is going to be "very interesting" in the Chinese sense.

The rot is becoming too apparent and there are too many people becoming aware and who are not willing to play along with their own enslavement and murder.

The multi-trillion theft from the treasury (when you get a bill passed by extortion it is not legitimate) kind of made things "a little obvious".

We currently have Organized Crime running the country. That is the simplicity.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-11-28   1:32:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Original_Intent (#118)

However next year is going to be "very interesting" in the Chinese sense.

Absolutely. Not going to be pretty.

We currently have Organized Crime running the country. That is the simplicity.

I feel like we were the last to know, but I guess we've been here before.

From the time machine:

This is the Dr. Beter AUDIO LETTER(R), 1629 K St. NW, Washington, D.C. 20006.

Hello, my friends, this is Dr. Beter. Today is November 3, 1982, and this is my AUDIO LETTER(R) #80

Source www.etext.org/Pol itics/Beter.Audio.Letter/dbal80

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