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Title: Who says men need to get married to be happy?
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London Times
URL Source: http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ ... lationships/article4922052.ece
Published: Oct 19, 2008
Author: LT
Post Date: 2008-10-19 10:03:31 by robnoel
Keywords: None
Views: 3075
Comments: 124
There comes a point in every man’s life when he must check out of Guyland, wrote Martin Deeson two weeks ago in these pages. This, for those of you who missed it, is the place in a man’s life when he lives singly and without responsibility. A place where he is no longer a boy but not yet a man; where he trips over beer cans in the morning on his way out the door, and asks for the woman he wakes up with to jot down her e-mail rather than her phone number to save him the embarrassment of having to ask her name. It’s also known as bachelorhood and, according to Deeson, the age at which he should make his way to the departure gate is 35. This is when a man should start thinking about finding a good woman and settling down. Shortly afterwards, he should also consider trading in the sports car for a Volvo, donate the Xbox to a children’s charity and decommission the DVD collection. The reward for doing so is a life of simple bliss, where he lives longer and happier, snuggled up in the warm embrace of a loving relationship. Well, not so fast, Deeson. Not everyone feels this way. George Clooney seems to be pretty happy in Guyland. Bruce Parry, the TV adventurer, is 39, and when he’s not rampaging through the Amazon, he hangs out in a beach hut in Ibiza, partying like a dervish. In fact, Clooney shows no sign of wanting to change: when Nicole Kidman bet him $10,000 that he would be married by 40, he mailed the cheque back after his birthday, with a note saying, “Double or nothing for another 10 years”. He’s 47 now. Readers agree. “Stay single and see her at the weekends. Man is not meant to be caged,” wrote Lucas from London. “It’s a great lifestyle choice,” wrote Rob D, also from London. “As for married men living longer, well, the indoor cat lives longer too. But it’s a fur ball with a broken spirit looking out on a world that it will never enjoy.” And I agree, though it is becoming increasingly apparent that many people close to me don’t. Now in my mid-thirties, I am used to my mother asking where various ex-girlfriends were, but then, last weekend, she sat me down and told me that finding a “life partner” was like looking for a job: you had to be determined and focused, she said, before finishing with “and stop faffing”. I’ve lost count of the number of times a friend’s girlfriend has taken me aside and asked me when I am going to “come in from the cold”. Usually I yawn and say, “When I meet the right person”, but even I don’t believe it any more. Truth is, I probably have met the right person, probably more than one. But I’ve been in a couple of long-termers and I’ve seen what marriage can do to my friends, and I’ve decided I am happy in Guyland and I want to hang out here longer. This should be a bit of a worry. Under Deeson’s rubric, if I continue walking single file, I will — in a few years — be suicidally unhappy and statistically more likely to be heading for an early grave. I will drink more, smoke more and slowly go to seed. Women will stop regarding me as an “eligible bachelor” and begin seeing me as, well, a sad spinster. Problem is, I just don’t buy it. For a start, bachelors are different now. Traditionally they can be one of two things: a toxic bachelor who spends his evenings with a bucket of KFC and a can of lager, or a career bachelor who is too busy to socialise because he is working until 3am. Over the past five years, however, a third type has emerged. Dubbed “city adventurers” (which, I grant you, sounds a bit naff — Bear Grylls in pinstripes?), these are single men aged 25-39 with an average wage of more than £40,000. They spend their spare time eating out, going to the pub and the cinema and taking weekend breaks. They will probably ski or snowboard and, when asked, they will say they are knowledgeable about wine (though they probably aren’t). In short, they lead interesting and fulfilling lives. “We have the time to pursue things that we really want to,” says Duncan, a 33-year-old art director who has found a new lease of life since breaking up with his girlfriend. “My friends who are settled have almost every minute of every day accounted for. Because all of my time is not taken up by a relationship, I can write that script, play some squash, chase dreams and enjoy the finer things in life.” Too many feeble men give in to the supposed security of marriage. They see it as panacea to their problems (including, but by no means limited to, alienation, indecision, and lack of direction and motivation). “I don’t want to be the oldest father at the school gates,” lamented one friend recently, explaining why he was getting engaged to his girlfriend, who we all know will make his life a misery. Marriage like this is for wimps. “I genuinely pity most of my married friends, who feel trapped, bored and frustrated,” wrote Mike from Hong Kong. “The only men I know who are happily married are the laid-back guys who need a woman for direction. Marriage is not a smart idea for the alpha male.” My old flatmate, Zar, a 32-year-old lawyer, agrees: “The best thing for me is realising that I have not been panicked into thinking I have met the right person and then discovered that I have married the wrong person, with whom I have a child and am in debt and losing my hair about what school I am going to send them to.” Being single, solvent and in charge of your own life is fun. And then there’s the sex. “When I first found myself a bachelor at 33, I hadn’t realised how much women in their mid-twenties enjoyed the company of a man of that age,” said James, 35. “More cash, more charm and more of the benefit of the trial and error of what women like.” The fact that you probably have a flyer place that isn’t full of deadbeats playing Nintendo only adds to the appeal. Incidentally, dating younger girls draws a curiously bitter response from single women my own age. I remind them that there is nice symmetry in this: every schoolboy remembers the moment at 15 when all the best-looking girls in his year decided they didn’t fancy their spotty-faced contemporaries and began dating the sixth-former with a Vauxhall Astra. It’s not revenge, exactly, but they started it. There are downsides, naturally: having to go out with your married mates on a “pink ticket” when all they want to do is hit pathetic strip clubs because they are so severely rationed by their Mrs; listening to similarly aged single female friends bang on about being left on the shelf; fear of shotgun weddings. And then there’s the part about dying early. It’s true: bachelors die younger than their married counterparts. When I dug deeper, though, I discovered this has a lot to do with smoking, drinking and diet. And if you can keep these things under control, you can hang out in Guyland, well, indefinitely.
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#55. To: Ferret Mike (#53)
So, why do they even bother with football? Why not have college smokeouts to crown the King Toker?? ;-)
I'm hoping Oregon wins so we get to play the kids from Hollywood (USC) in the Rose Bowl.
What you have just demonstrated is a classic psychological shaming tactic which is classified as real abuse.. Do you use this tactic at home with hubby or worse yet, your boys, if applicable? Your "jest" is a classic abuse pattern used by women against men. Abuse can be either mental or physical, as any woman (except you) will tell you. And yes I am deadly serious. Look in the mirror and get help. Your disdain for men is showing. This is no laughing matter, except of course when men are involved, right hypocrite? Ever been abused? I have. (And it has nothing to do with looks or manhood or being "God's gift" as you so ignorantly say). YOU are one of the reasons abuse against males is so rarely reported. Would you like to see some studies on it, or do you give a shit? So cool your jets. You're acting guilty. And no, I didn't start this thread or say anything derogatory against women. YOU opened this can of worms with your obvious abuse pattern...AND ADDRESSED YOUR POST TO ME. I can tell you're well practived in it. Without an apology, I AM GONE from 4UM. Forever. I'm sure YOU will be glad.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition SILENT RUNNING Well, duh! Sheet......YOU are the one who pinged ME----I didn't go looking to jump your ass! You wanted comments, based on YOUR comment on #25--which was just after YOU pinged ME on #24! YOU were the one that said the article had a lot of good points--it wasn't ME who made that statement. For your edification, not that I particularly care that you know or not, I am a widow and have been for a number of years. Happily married for 21+ years, together for 24+ years as friends, lovers, soulmates, husband and wife. We had no children between the two of us for fear the disease he had would be perpetuated. So stuff your whining about verbal abuse of men. Grow a set and get on with your life.....don't let that ex-wife have any sort of oneupsman over you. Oh, and by the way, don't run off with your tail tucked because I responded to you. 4um needs good men.
i concur and, Indie, you are one of them...one of my compatriots.
i concur What am I? Wood?
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. um..hehehehe, are you? ;P
Only for you baby! :p
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. More of the same from you. It is abuse and you've used the SAME technique of shaming and ostracizing manhood you used the first time. Do you know what you can do with that? And what would you know about "good men" when you yourself are abusive. Adios.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition SILENT RUNNING Indie - rowdee is right on all counts and especially the last point she made. You are a good guy and I'm sorry for your bad experience with a woman who was not so nice. Until robnoel's article and subsequent thread ensued, I had no firm knowledge of which male posters were divorced or married or negative towards women. Frankly I didn't care or have an interest in that regard. Anytime I've posted at 4um, if I received a negative response, I always assumed it was because that poster disagreed with my opinion. That's why I spoke up when I did to Hayek Fan - I didn't want us to cross lines where we might no longer be responding to one another's opinions in the future. Rowdee's comments, I think, were to reassure me that things would not change - that a few male posters were just letting off steam, that's all, don't take it to heart, scrapper. For sure, rowdee was not putting you down, I know that. Rowdee is definitely one of the good guys just like you are, Indie.
The Beaver team that the Nittany Kittens beat early in the season is not the same team that they will face in the Rose Bowl. The defense has matured, and the offense is not just Jaquizz Rogers (who ran for 144 yards against the Penn State Defense - and will be back for the Rose Bowl). Remember that this is the same team that led #1 USC 21-0 going into the half and held on to win 27-21 never trailing in the game. The Beavers have a habit, a bad one, of playing up to the level of their competition - which means that a few teams they should have blown out were able to stay close. Penn State was the only lopsided (against the Beavers) game that they played all season. The only other losses were to #7 Utah (after leading the entire game they let it get away in the final 2:20) and a fluke win by yo-yo Stanford in the first game of the season. Penn State cannot run against the Beaver Defense and so they have to go to the air. The Corners have matured, and smothered USC's receivers, and the Defensive backfield has tightened up the coverage. The real battle will be in the trenches to see if the Penn State Offensive line can keep the Beaver Defensive Line from collapsing the Pocket. I don't think they can, but that will be one of the keys to the Beaver win i.e., penetration through the Penn State Offensive Line. The Beaver Offense is balanced and they are quite capable of breaking a long run or long pass on any given play. However, they are just as capable of mounting a long drive and patiently working it down the field before delivering the coup de grace. The only weakness on the Offense is the kicking game where the FG/PA kicker is green and a bit erratic. I make it: Beavers: 38 Penn State: 17
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Observe: Now this, and a few other examples here, is what is known as "shaming language". We are now "wimpy" and we "whine", and we "bang drums". We are now "misogynists" (sp? I dont care enough to look it up) It is SOP for women to do this. It is just one trick they use to get what they want. Do I hate women? No. Christine is a woman, and from what I have seen she is one of the few good ones out there, and I am not just saying that.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
LOL! That site is a little too hard core for me. I prefer to just ignore the "feminist pig bastards" while occasionally and figuratively spitting in their faces for fun.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
Of course it was. That was the point. You have to put the video in context with Rowdee's post about male bonding.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
Penn State: 17 Not the same team, eh? Well thank god, what I saw here was a HS level team. In fact they quit in the 4th quarter. Nobody here wants a rematch, as it will be ratings disaster. I can't imaging anyone tuning in except for the fans of the respective teams. I'm not a betting man, but I'll take PSU and lay the points. Does $200 work?
In zero context am I into real or simulated male masturbation. Sorry. Masturbation is like farts, your own smell fine, everyone else's are horribly malodorous and disgusting. If any guy I knew touched my ass like these "male bonder" do, I'd take a baseball bat to them.
It is SOP for women to do this. It is just one trick they use to get what they want. miz1;sogz1;yz1;ny 34; 34;/mjÈsRd’Yni, maj-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [mi-soj-uh-nee, mahy-] Show IPA Pronunciation –noun hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women Please tell me what the point was of the article and the thread posts if it was not to show various examples of misogyny. Frankly rowdee was being diplomatic in her remarks about what was being said about women to the tune of 33 posts some of which contained links to other equally disagreeable sites. Robnoel posted the article for the single purpose of eliciting posts and links as yours so female posters at 4um could read it all. None of you suggested to take the thread offline. None of you restricted the crude and negative remarks to focus on specific females in your lives. No, the remarks were a scatter shot put-down of women in general. And now you have the hubris to pretend that you're "offended" by the few comments that rowdee and I made as questions, rebuttals on that 200% off-color thread whose sole purpose was to denigrate women? My my what a thin skin you have. You delight in using free speech to showcase your attitudes to women but your boxers get in a twist when female posters exercise their free speech to respond. Do you think free speech is a one-way street? Maybe you should have used the bozo feature to protect yourself from the remarks of women like rowdee and scrapper whose "SOP" is to use "tricks" like "shaming language" on your gentle sensitive intellectual male self.
i concur and, Indie, you are one of them...one of my compatriots. Bump this one.
Yet another bump.
Like it or not misogyny is fashionable in our culture, and it can even be considered "hip" if cutting edge comedians build their acts around it. To acknowledge that there are extremists who wear war paint and fellowship around campfires with other like minded "victims of women" is fair commentary. In fact, it actually could have helped us identify the several types of men who could weigh in on this issue had you not attempted to stifle the debate. I'm a man and I didn't take rowdee's comment personally because she wasn't referring to me. But, you were awfully quick to slam her for it while bleeding profusely all over the thread. chris says you're one of the "good guys" and I hope that means enough to you to heal your lacerated spirit. But, from this man's point of view, you're not doing me or men in general any favors. And, please notice that I don't require any unfair stereotype of you to point out that your tone and choice of words displease me.
*sniff* That was beautiful. I'm curious Scrap, is it the moon or just a cycle they are going through? Perhaps it's time the gals of the place start their own bitchathon thread. We actually have life experiences to share and the added benefit of illustrating how our superiors have led the world to self destruction. Hmm. What a pattern. A joke about the perfect woman went around a few years ago. She would be a toothless midget mute, with a flat head (a place for the King to set his beer). Clearly a woman of that stature would be out of some of these diaper dwellers league. Oh, and I spit at them for fun too. I suggest we have a moment to read from the Tao of Bob. 'And the woman shall bring the stake and the hammer, to erect the tent and provide spiritual guidance. Later, the stake and the hammer will offend Bob's temple.' The end. Anyway, clearly, a rational discussion of politics is not happening with a certain set of men bent on slamming their ham about how they been done wrong. That of course has never ever happened to anyone else. LIFE seems to sneak up on people, and they need someone to blame other than the mirror. As for the rest of the ladies and gents, if it is necessary to point out a gender discrepancy and your choice of a loser as a lifemate... it's not my problem. If you ditched them, it's a memory that can't be burned out with a jackhammer and incense. You're stuck with it. I think we all know this, and have managed to live a life in spite of our victim status. But, I say, let's all caterwaul and hoot. It's productive isn't it? The big strong guys, simply have been pulverized and need some propping up. Ego's stroked, butts and boo-boos kissed. We know. Try not to bruise your chests while beating them.
I've participated in my share of dopey threads here, but this mess takes the cake. Or should I say apple pie given the occasion? Anyway, any female, or male, who makes 4um their home, is a unique breed of independent spirit and should not be confused with dolts, of both sexes, we've all met during our lifetime. On to the turkenducken. It needs carving.
I completely concur - well said. Thanks. Off to help Mrs.L in the kitchen.
There have been a few months of emoting, and I blame Sarah Palin. We were all just fine before she came along and opened up this can of woe. I agree with your post. What no Tofurkey? Happy Thanksgiving to all.
And now you have the hubris to pretend that you're "offended" by the few comments that rowdee and I made as questions, rebuttals on that 200% off-color thread whose sole purpose was to denigrate women? Now, scrapper, you even got me laughing out loud. When I read the first of these two quoted paragraphs, my vision was of robnoel sitting in front of his computer and monitor, chomping on some Cheetos, and sippin away on a near flat bottle of beer, dressed in his worn tee-shirt and his old, valentine-covered shorts......scratchin his crotch, too, while laughing his fool head off over the fact that he was able to tweak so many. Seems he is just one of many that wallow in victimhood---which, by the way isn't restricted to MEN! Hells bells, blacks are victims, browns are victims, queers are victims, animals are victims, drug users are victims, patients are victims, trauma survivors are victims, stock owners are victims........ and I certainly must not forgit......WIMMEN are victims, too. Who did I leave out? Oh the inhumanity!
Happy Thanksgiving to all...bears repeating.
WHAT! Blame Sarah? OMG.........haven't you heard? When there is BLAME to be had it is the "joos". Leastways, that is all I've seen in these parts as the party to blame. BTW, have a good Big Bird Day.
Well Sarah did seem to fling open the floodgates of wronged male misery, but I did read she has a flag of Israel in her office. Oddly, such things did not incite such cathartic needs in the past. It HAS to be 'her'. If you had a Magic 8 ball and asked it, 'dear 8ball, why is the world so evil'? It would return: SARAH PALIN. 'dear 8ball, why are kids dying for the elites'? It would answer: LIPSTICK. Okay just kidding. But we know what some really think now. Men do bad things because of her. Before she was a twinkle, it was her fault. Right? BTW, have a good Big Bird Day. And the same to you!! !!!
Frankly rowdee was being diplomatic in her remarks about what was being said about women to the tune of 33 posts some of which contained links to other equally disagreeable sites. Robnoel posted the article for the single purpose of eliciting posts and links as yours so female posters at 4um could read it all. None of you suggested to take the thread offline. None of you restricted the crude and negative remarks to focus on specific females in your lives. No, the remarks were a scatter shot put-down of women in general. And now you have the hubris to pretend that you're "offended" by the few comments that rowdee and I made as questions, rebuttals on that 200% off-color thread whose sole purpose was to denigrate women? My my what a thin skin you have. You delight in using free speech to showcase your attitudes to women but your boxers get in a twist when female posters exercise their free speech to respond. Do you think free speech is a one-way street? Maybe you should have used the bozo feature to protect yourself from the remarks of women like rowdee and scrapper whose "SOP" is to use "tricks" like "shaming language" on your gentle sensitive intellectual male This was an old thread, but it seemed to have struck a chord with IndyTX. I was pinged and I replied with my opinion, babycakes. If you dont like that opinion, then ignore me and/or the thread. Start your own thread about how bad some/most/all men are, and see if I care. Thank you for providing more examples of shaming language. I am not offended because I expect it, it seems to be ingrained in some females psyches when they dont get what they want, and I personally think it's funny because my skin is not thin like yours. It is all just so predictable. It doesn't have the effect you want it to have because I dont really care what people think of me personally, especially feminists that try to manipulate men to get what they want. That won't get you very far with me, sweet cheeks, and I will expose it at every opportunity. Bozo is a 2 way street, pumpkin. I have no one on bozo, but you are free to add me to your list. Same goes for other people. I am talking specifically to you captain save-a-hoes, you know who you are. I hope IndyTX sticks around.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
I’ve lost count of the number of times a friend’s girlfriend has taken me aside and asked me when I am going to “come in from the cold”. Usually I yawn and say, “When I meet the right person”, but even I don’t believe it any more. Truth is, I probably have met the right person, probably more than one. But I’ve been in a couple of long-termers and I’ve seen what marriage can do to my friends, and I’ve decided I am happy in Guyland and I want to hang out here longer. A set of attitudes brought about by militant feminism, Palimony, and disposable relationships. Certainly the demand by women, beginning in the 1960's for equality was a just and reasonable complaint. However, "Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore" followed by Andrea Dworkin (all sex with a man is rape) rejection of men and treating them as objects (Sperm Donors) to be milked for their financial worth and then discarded when things become "too onerous" resulted in a sea change of male attitudes. Yes, Chivalry is dead - and it was murdered in the night by radical feminists (many lesbians) who simply hated men for the fact of being men. So, all justifiers aside a lot of men are simply reluctant to get involved, or married, because they don't want to be taken to the cleaners, forced to support children they are not allowed to see because they were falsely accused of abuse, neglect, or worse by a bitter ex-wife looking to "get even" and with a lawyer to help. In other words they are frightened and confused. Thanks feminism. So, rather than venture into a realm loaded with land mines and misery a lot of men choose to go against their nature and remain single because they simply do not want to take on the risk of getting married only to have Suzy Creamcheese turn into Cruella DeVille. Like a lot of the social dysfunctions in our culture this is a created dysfunction following a specific agenda. One can see in the writings of Psychiatrists, Brock Chisholm comes to mind, in the late 40's and into the 50's (and earlier with Barnhardt in the 30's) that the family was regarded as a "disease" which got in the way of controlling people. (Note: Chisholm was also the founding Chairman of the "World Federation of Mental Health" in the 1950's.) Feminism was part of the agenda to split the family up and render it dysfunctional and impotent against those seeking to establish a totalitarian world government. While I frequently find myself in disagreement with some of Henry Makow's conclusions he does research his facts: The point here being that the CIA is also linked to multiple psychiatric programs, such as MK Ultra, which are aimed at mass manipulation and individual mind control. The programs, unsurprisingly enough, are run by Psychiatrists - some of whom return to "private practice" such as the one that "treated" Cliebold and Harris of Columbine fame, or Timothy McVeigh. Returning to the main point here - the programs to destabilize the family and create social dysfunction, such as males wishing to remain single - running contrary to our natural inclinations, are all created. Rather diabolically and with malice a forethought as well.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Do we know if these 'programs' were created by women. Or like environuts, were lesbians used to help further the victim agenda? As a small point of reference, look at how the NOW organization stands for 'womens rights'. THEY DON'T. That should be a lesson there for men and women alike. I suggest there is a significant demarcation point in the 'progression' of the American woman and the expectations OF her. At the same time, white males have been demonized. Neither was intended to strengthen relationships, families, or promote the natural. The shredding of the relationship between men and women by way of social engineering, has been entirely engineered by . . . . men. But as a favor to some here, I shall also note it wasn't mere 'men' that did this, this was brought forward though FUNDED victim groups using issues such as domestic violence to wrap around a more vile agenda. So, what shall we do, admit we were manipulated and deal with the wound or wallow and blame, divide and cry, or do we fight back and say, we see what you bastards have done to us all, and we will stand together? The wounds bear bitter stories, and there is enough blame for all. Either we buck up and call out the real perps, or we are doomed to pass this problem along forever. On another note, some people should just not co-habitate with anyone. Nature has loners and as such, leave them be.
Masturbation is like farts, your own smell fine, everyone else's are horribly malodorous and disgusting. If any guy I knew touched my ass like these "male bonder" do, I'd take a baseball bat to them. Rowdee was making fun of the male bonding thing. The video did the same thing. While the video may have been crude, rude and socially unacceptable, I believed it fit right in with her post. If I'd have thought of it last night I would have wnet a different route and played a video of the Lil' Rascals and the "He-man woman-haters club." People (not necessarily you)are taking this thread way too personally IMHO.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...I want my Mommie and my blankie....sob, sob... "more examples of shaming language" ?????? It was so much fun to denigrate women to fellow males on a free speech forum when no female posters called you out on your thread of boorish passive-aggressive puerile trash talk. But the minute 2 female posters respond with free speech rebuttals, suddenly the swaggering virile machismo attitudes crumble and are replaced by hurt little boy personas that go so far as to accuse the 2 female posters of the cardinal psycho babble sin against mankind - the use of "shaming language." Perhaps you need to review the first 30 posts on this thread to get a better idea of what constitutes SHAMEFUL LANGUAGE, which is real and self-evident, not some made up airy fairy New Age concept which you refer to.
Be on the lookout for someone to say that women are too emotional now. Ready, set , block.
I would agree with your comments about about radical feminism being a corrosive factor in society, for successfully pitting females against males and screwing up a natural human desire to love and be loved and to raise a family as a natural off-shoot of that intimate love between a husband and wife. Betty Frieden was a communist first and a feminist second and nuclear family units represented a grave threat to the worship of state government so that's why she and her fellow communist travelers hitched their wagons to "feminism," imo. I'd also add Affirmative Action, that specifically included the female gender which will be the law for the next 25 years though there was no need for such legal enshrinement at this point in society, as having a significant deleterious effect on mutually respectful long term male-female relationships flourishing today. AA continued a sense of false entitlement for females that was already fostered by abortion on demand ( men have no say on the fetus' lives they helped create) and Hollywood's promotion of Girls Just Want to Have Fun With Boy Toys slut shaping message 24/7 along with the concomitant theme of Men Are Useless and Inept and Stupid. Both sexes lose in a society wherein socially engineering, manipulation has free rein.
Not to inject, but who gave birth to those programs? There are plenty of uselful idiots used as their front. And the purpose of those programs were to destroy.
The first step to overcoming this type of passive mass manipulation is to recognize that it has been done and is ongoing. The kinds of manipulation which we have undergone depends for a lot of its strength on remaining unknown and unseen. The moment it is recognized for what it is it loses much of its strength. People still have to overcome some of the implanted "attitudes", but once you know the manipulation is occurring and how it is done then it then begins to unravel. The break-up and engendered opposition is helped along by media encouraging the line that men and women have opposing interests and discouraging people from looking at the data and following it to a logical conclusion. "Why they wouldn't do that - it's just a "conspiracy theory". Of course conspiracies do occur and you can document hundreds of them in the historical record. Maria Medici was not called "the poisoner" just for the hell of it. I would modify that - this has been engineered by psychotics - most of whom are men, but not all. The Queens of England and Denmark, part of the elite cabal, are, last I checked, women. This is not a male versus female issue per se - or at least it should not be. Men and women need not be in opposition - that is the engineering of dysfunction. Have women been, historically, relegated to positions of lesser influence and freedom of action? Most indubitably yes, but combining that with the social disruption agenda is a mistake in reasoning by combining two separate and distinct items and viewing them as one. Women's rightful demand for equality should not be confused with the fragmentation of the social fabric by intent. Feminism, which was begun as the demand by women of recognition of their rightful personhood as free individuals, was hijacked to the ends of another agenda. The intent of the dysfunction is to break up the family unit and place children under state control thus to be better programmed as minions of their "betters". Last member census of NOW that I ran into several years ago - 50% of the membership were self-identified Lesbians. I am not aware of lesbians having much care for Sperm Donors. One can see other elements in the engineered break-up of the family unit as a bedrock in society. In the early 50's black americans had only a slightly higher illegitimacy rate than white americans. Following the introduction of Lyndon Bane Johnson's "Great Society" Programs which rewarded the break-up of the black family and penalized families for being intact we can see over time the acceleration of illegitimacy in black america to it's current rate of about 80%. That is a staggering number. It means that most young black children are raised by one parent, usually the mother, and frequently on Welfare. That does not do a lot of good for black kids and it is no wonder that the crime rate in black communities is so high as the social fabric which creates a community, again the family, has been destroyed - INTENTIONALLY. Now the illegitimacy rate among whites is streaking for the stratosphere as well. It just took them a little longer to do it. First step. Stop playing the "blame game". That is a dead end simply adds more resentment. Education, awareness, and discussions such as this are the first step and then identifying the enemy, isolating them, and neutering them comes next. If someone is a loner there is a reason which is individual to that person. However, that does not mean it is optimum survival. The family forms a bedrock in a stable society for the very reason that it provides, at optimum, a stable environment for the rearing of children. Single Mothers, and Single Fathers both operate at a disadvantage - even if they have enough money to hire a surrogate such as a Nanny. However, most can't hire a Nanny and so the two parent family provides an optimum environment. There are a lot of threads to this problem of enforced social break-up. Taxes are part of it because now taxes have been increased to the point to where in many households both parents must work at an outside job to survive. As well property taxes have been raised to the point to where a person can no longer subsistance farm and live off of their excess production. They have been locked out of the bigger markets and the taxes are so high that they must work somewhere else to pay the taxes. If one steps back and looks at all the subsets together i.e., breaking up the family, endlessly raising taxes, CPS Goons, the "Waronterra", the allowing of millions of peons to invade from south of the border, etc., ... the global picture is one that fits together into a common agenda i.e., totalitarian control by a self selected "elite" of psychotics. Putting men and women at opposition and destroying the family unit is part of that agenda.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...I want my Mommie and my blankie....sob, sob... "more examples of shaming language" ?????? It was so much fun to denigrate women to fellow males on a free speech forum when no female posters called you out on your thread of boorish passive-aggrblah blah blah blah Meh Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Nehemiah 4:14 And I looked and arose and said to the nobles and to the officials and to the rest of the people, “Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your homes.”
I would agree with your comments about about radical feminism being a corrosive factor in society, for successfully pitting females against males and screwing up a natural human desire to love and be loved and to raise a family as a natural off-shoot of that intimate love between a husband and wife. Betty Frieden was a communist first and a feminist second and nuclear family units represented a grave threat to the worship of state government so that's why she and her fellow communist travelers hitched their wagons to "feminism," imo. I'd also add Affirmative Action, that specifically included the female gender which will be the law for the next 25 years though there was no need for such legal enshrinement at this point in society, as having a significant deleterious effect on mutually respectful long term male-female relationships flourishing today. AA continued a sense of false entitlement for females that was already fostered by abortion on demand ( men have no say on the fetus' lives they helped create) and Hollywood's promotion of Girls Just Want to Have Fun With Boy Toys slut shaping message 24/7 along with the concomitant theme of Men Are Useless and Inept and Stupid. Both sexes lose in a society wherein socially engineering, manipulation has free rein. Excellent overview. Yes the selling of sluthood as desirable has done a lot to degrade women. It is also non-survival in that people who engage in serial promiscuity catch a lot of rather unpleasant infections. I am not a prude and I think sex is a wonderful pastime that should not be reserved just for procreation (despite that being it's biological function). As well the "macho" bragging, without accepting responsibility, about how many "bitches" one has knocked up is equally poisonous. In the end we have several false prophets that have used as tools to further the agenda i.e., Hugh Hefner, Gloria Slimem, Betty Friedan, Paul, greasy, Guccione, et. al., ... The Playboy model was one of irresponsibity and promiscuity - just as the same as sluthood is pushed at women in such glossy trash as "Cosmopolitan". The "men are inept and stupid" meme seems to have more than one intent. It accelerates the break-up of the social fabric by discouraging marriage, and it is aimed primarily at "White Males" so as to fractionate along race lines and encourages White Males of taking on the mantle of "victimhood". Being a "victim" is a very very low order of responsibility and cause.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
No sh*t. Every time I run off for a bit; this thread heads off in a new direction...marriage, football, masturbation. I'm getting dizzy, and I'm not even drinking. Yet.
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#56. To: Ferret Mike (#53)
#57. To: rowdee, scrapper2, ALL MEN, christine, ALL (#41)
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I can certainly understand the need for so many men to have a scapegoat..obviously, they aren't man enough to admit that they aren't exactly God's gift to wimmen!
To: scrapper2 I think they're into their 'men's weekend campout mode with drums--they sit around the campfire, banging on drums, and doing the 'male bonding' thing! LOL........
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#58. To: IndieTX (#57)
#59. To: rowdee, Indietx (#58)
4um needs good men.
#60. To: christine (#59)
4um needs good men.
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#61. To: Critter (#60)
#62. To: christine (#61)
are you?
Body Art Cobleskill, NY
#63. To: rowdee, ALL (#58)
So stuff your whining about verbal abuse of men. Grow a set and get on with your life
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
#64. To: rowdee, IndieTX, Hayek Fan (#58)
Well, duh! Sheet......YOU are the one who pinged ME----I didn't go looking to jump your ass! You wanted comments, based on YOUR comment on #25--which was just after YOU pinged ME on #24!...get on with your life.....don't let that ex-wife have any sort of oneupsman over you...
#65. To: Jethro Tull (#52)
When your Beavers showed up here in central PA we beat them like a base drum. Seriously, we pulled our starters in the 3rd quarter. We have HS teams that could compete w. the Beavers.
#66. To: rowdee, IndyTX, Christine, All (#41)
I'm getting a kick out of reading this crap--sort of like an inside look at the wimpy men and how they think/whine. Isn't this like those guys that get together and bang drums--male bonding or some such tommyrot?
#67. To: who knows what evil (#30)
From the header: "Rebuke The Sadistic Feminist Pig Bastards"
#68. To: Ferret Mike (#50)
Heh, I'll take your word for it. I found it disgusting and only got halfway through that.
#69. To: Original_Intent (#65)
Beavers: 38
#70. To: Hayek Fan (#68)
"Of course it was. That was the point. You have to put the video in context with Rowdee's post about male bonding."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#71. To: PSUSA, rowdee, robnoel (#66)
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Now this, and a few other examples here, is what is known as "shaming language". We are now "wimpy" and we "whine", and we "bang drums". We are now "misogynists" (sp? I dont care enough to look it up)
#72. To: christine, rowdee, IndieTX, a few good men, all (#59)
4um needs good men.
#73. To: scrapper2 (#64)
Rowdee is definitely one of the good guys just like you are, Indie.
#74. To: IndieTX, rowdee, christine, scrapper2 (#57)
#75. To: HOUNDDAWG, anyone who's ever lost in love (#74)
Here's the ultimate song of poor reactions to a bad situation -
#76. To: scrapper2 (#71)
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#77. To: lodwick, IndieTX, female posters and males - except O'Piles (#73)
#78. To: Jethro Tull (#77)
Anyway, any female, or male, who makes 4um their home, is a unique breed of independent spirit and should not be confused with dolts, of both sexes, we've all met during our lifetime.
#79. To: Jethro Tull (#77)
I've participated in my share of dopey threads here, but this mess takes the cake.
#80. To: scrapper2 (#71)
Robnoel posted the article for the single purpose of eliciting posts and links as yours so female posters at 4um could read it all. None of you suggested to take the thread offline. None of you restricted the crude and negative remarks to focus on specific females in your lives. No, the remarks were a scatter shot put-down of women in general.
#81. To: OliviaFNewton, Jethro Tull, All (#79)
#82. To: OliviaFNewton (#79)
#83. To: rowdee (#82)
WHAT! Blame Sarah? OMG.........haven't you heard? When there is BLAME to be had it is the "joos". Leastways, that is all I've seen in these parts as the party to blame.
#84. To: scrapper2 (#71)
lease tell me what the point was of the article and the thread posts if it was not to show various examples of misogyny.
#85. To: robnoel (#0)
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And I agree, though it is becoming increasingly apparent that many people close to me don’t. Now in my mid-thirties, I am used to my mother asking where various ex-girlfriends were, but then, last weekend, she sat me down and told me that finding a “life partner” was like looking for a job: you had to be determined and focused, she said, before finishing with “and stop faffing”.
"Brock Chisholm (1959 Humanist of the Year) was at one time head of the World Health Organization, and in the February 1946 issue of PSYCHIATRY he wrote, "To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family tradition national patriotism, and religious dogmas....We have swallowed all manner of poisonous certainties fed us by our parents, our Sunday and day school teachers, our politicians, our priests....The reinterpretation and eventual eradication of the concept of right and wrong which has been the basis of child training, the substitution of intelligent and rational thinking for faith in the certainties of old people, these are the belated objectives...for charting the changes in human behavior."
March 18, 2002
by Henry Makow Ph.D.
"In the 1960's, the elite media invented second-wave feminism as part of the elite agenda to dismantle civilization and create a New World Order."
Since writing these words last week, I have discovered that before she became a feminist leader, Gloria Steinem worked for the CIA spying on Marxist students in Europe and disrupting their meetings. She became a media darling due to her CIA connections. MS Magazine, which she edited for many years was indirectly funded by the CIA.
Steinem has tried to suppress this information, unearthed in the 1970's by a radical feminist group called "Red Stockings." In 1979, Steinem and her powerful CIA-connected friends, Katharine Graham of the Washington Post and Ford Foundation President Franklin Thomas prevented Random House from publishing it in "Feminist Revolution." Nevertheless the story appeared in the "Village Voice" on May 21, 1979.
Steinem has always pretended that she had been a student radical. "When I was in college, it was the McCarthy era," she told Susan Mitchell in 1997, "and that made me a Marxist." (Icons, Saints and Divas: Intimate Conversations with Women who Changed the World 1997. p 130) Her bio-blurb in June 1973 MS. Magazine states: "Gloria Steinem has been a freelance writer all her professional life. Ms magazine is her first full-time salaried job."
Not true. Raised in an impoverished, dysfunctional family in Toledo Ohio, Steinem somehow managed to attend elite Smith College, Betty Friedan's alma mater. After graduating in 1955, Steinem received a "Chester Bowles Student Fellowship" to study in India. Curiously, an Internet search reveals that this fellowship has no existence apart from Gloria Steinem. No one else has received it.
In 1958, Steinem was recruited by CIA's Cord Meyers to direct an "informal group of activists" called the "Independent Research Service." This was part of Meyer's "Congress for Cultural Freedom," which created magazines like "Encounter" and "Partisan Review" to promote a left-liberal chic to oppose Marxism. Steinem, attended Communist-sponsored youth festivals in Europe, published a newspaper, reported on other participants, and helped to provoke riots. ..."
#86. To: Original_Intent (#85)
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#87. To: Ferret Mike (#70)
In zero context am I into real or simulated male masturbation. Sorry.
#88. To: PSUSA (#84)
Thank you for providing more examples of shaming language.
#89. To: scrapper2 (#88)
#90. To: Original_Intent (#85)
A set of attitudes brought about by militant feminism, Palimony, and disposable relationships.
#91. To: scrapper2 (#90)
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#92. To: OliviaFNewton, christine, rowdee, Scrapper2, Jethro Tull, Cynicom, robnoel, all (#86)
So, what shall we do, admit we were manipulated and deal with the wound or wallow and blame, divide and cry, or do we fight back and say, we see what you bastards have done to us all, and we will stand together?
The shredding of the relationship between men and women by way of social engineering, has been entirely engineered by . . . . men. But as a favor to some here, I shall also note it wasn't mere 'men' that did this, this was brought forward though FUNDED victim groups using issues such as domestic violence to wrap around a more vile agenda.
Do we know if these 'programs' were created by women. Or like environuts, were lesbians used to help further the victim agenda? As a small point of reference, look at how the NOW organization stands for 'womens rights'. THEY DON'T. ...
The wounds bear bitter stories, and there is enough blame for all. Either we buck up and call out the real perps, or we are doomed to pass this problem along forever.
On another note, some people should just not co-habitate with anyone. Nature has loners and as such, leave them be.
#93. To: scrapper2 (#88)
hank you for providing more examples of shaming language.
#94. To: scrapper2 (#90)
A set of attitudes brought about by militant feminism, Palimony, and disposable relationships.
#95. To: Jethro Tull (#77)
I've participated in my share of dopey threads here, but this mess takes the cake.
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