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Title: Court to decide if illegal immigrants' use of Social Security numbers is ID theft
Source: AP - Arizona Daily Star
URL Source: http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/263264.php
Published: Oct 20, 2008
Author: ap
Post Date: 2008-10-20 18:44:49 by Rotara
Keywords: None
Views: 108
Comments: 8

WASHINGTON— The Supreme Court agreed Monday to decide whether people picked up on immigration violations also can face charges of identity theft if they use Social Security and other identification numbers that belong to others.

Federal appeals courts have split over whether the defendant must know that the phony ID numbers belong to a real person and the court said it will resolve the question.

Federal prosecutors have increasingly been bringing the more serious identity theft charges against undocumented immigrants, including many who were arrested in raids on meatpacking plants.

Defense lawyers have argued that their clients should not be charged with stealing someone else’s identity because the immigrants only were seeking documentation that would allow them to work. They didn’t know if the numbers were fictitious or belonged to someone else, their lawyers say.

The Bush administration, however, has said that it doesn’t matter under federal law.

The 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, based in St. Louis, agreed with the administration and upheld the conviction of Ignacio Carlos Flores-Figueroa.

Flores-Figueroa, a Mexican national, worked at a steel plant in East Moline, Ill., since 2000. Originally, he worked there under an assumed name, and false Social Security and alien registration numbers. In 2006, he told his employer he wanted to be known by his real name and submitted new identification documents.

This time, though, the Social Security number belonged to someone else, and his green card number was that of yet another person. Suspicious, the employer contacted immigration authorities, who arrested Flores-Figueroa. The five-count indictment against him included two counts of aggravated identity theft.

Federal appeals courts based in Atlanta and Richmond also have ruled in the government’s favor in similar cases, while the appeals court in Washington, D.C., has sided with defendants.

The case, which will be argued next year, is Flores-Figueroa v. U.S., 08-108.

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#1. To: All (#0)

As a well-tanned white patriot male in AmeriKa, I'm pretty sure it would be called Identity Theft if I did the same thing. Pretty sure. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-20   18:48:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Rotara (#1)

I'm pretty sure it would be called Identity Theft if I did the same thing. Pretty sure. ;-)

No shit, senor` !!!

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-20   18:51:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Rotara (#0) (Edited)

The betting window is open!

The decision will be 5-4 in favor of the wetback.

Sorry America! You lose again!

So close! Better luck next time!

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2008-10-20   18:57:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Esso (#3)

The betting window is open!

The decision will be 5-4 in favor of the wetback.

Sorry America! You lose again!

So close! Better luck next time!

LOL

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-20   18:59:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Rotara (#0)

If this is in St. Louis the wetback doesn't stand a chance.

I'm from Missouri and wetbacks are despised and rapidly being kicked out.

Freepers: hearts full of hate and cowardice, and skulls full, to quote a favorite saying of one of their favorite cowards, of mush.

Turtle  posted on  2008-10-20   19:01:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: noone222 (#2)

La Cainobama! Undule!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-20   19:05:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Esso (#3)

The betting window is open!

The decision will be 5-4 in favor of the wetback.

Sorry America! You lose again!

So close! Better luck next time!

FOFLOL!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-20   19:05:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Turtle (#5) (Edited)

If this is in St. Louis the wetback doesn't stand a chance.

I'm from Missouri and wetbacks are despised and rapidly being kicked out.

I can't wait to see what the JBT kangaroo judicial system looks like this time next year / 2010 after La Cainobama get's exalted as the next ruler!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-20   19:06:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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