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Title: Any Mason's here?
Source: X-15
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Published: Oct 21, 2008
Author: X-15
Post Date: 2008-10-21 17:18:18 by X-15
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I'm going to a lodge meeting in a couple of weeks to see what it's all about. Is it a good way to network in my community?

Most of the Founding Fathers were Masons as were most of the Founding Fathers of the Republic of Texas: www.grandlodgeoftexas.org/Tx_heroes-2.php

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#19. To: X-15 (#0)

I'm going to a lodge meeting in a couple of weeks to see what it's all about. Is it a good way to network in my community?

Star in the East Lodge #33 represent! (Owatonna MN)

I joined a couple of years ago without knowing what Masons do--all I knew was that if there was a conspiracy afoot, I wanted in!

Still haven't found the conspiracy. What I have found are a great group of guys who I have a deep bond with--strangely enough, age, politics, and religion doesn't affect that bond. It's the world's largest and oldest fraternity--you'll have Brothers literally all over the world.

You'll find that we're all a bunch of intelligent weirdos.

Indrid Cold  posted on  2008-10-21   22:19:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Checked out a couple of books from the campus library after class tonight, I'm reading up on the Old Charges and the differences between operative and speculative masonry. It seems to be "a peculiar systems of morality, veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols" to use their own words.

X-15  posted on  2008-10-21   23:04:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It seems to be "a peculiar systems of morality, veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols" to use their own words.

Uh, yes, that's accurate.

The difference between operative and speculative masonry is that one builds walls and one doesn't, though they may share the same clubhouse. At some point in time (1400s-1500s) European noblemen were allowed to join Masonry, though why they'd want to join a labor guild is not elaborated upon. Presumably cosmic secrets were in a lot smaller supply back then...

We refer to (small "g") god as the "Great Architect", not Lucifer. ("Small g" because Masonry requires you to have a belief in god as you understand him/her/it/them, not necessarily in the Christian sense.

Indrid Cold  posted on  2008-10-21   23:34:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

We refer to (small "g") god as the "Great Architect", not Lucifer. ("Small g" because Masonry requires you to have a belief in god as you understand him/her/it/them, not necessarily in the Christian sense.

Have you never heard of Albert Pike? Do you refute that he wrote the following words?

"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-10-21   23:44:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Have you never heard of Albert Pike? Do you refute that he wrote the following words?

Of course I've heard of Albert Pike. He re-wrote the whole Scottish Rite, after all.

But I am not a member of Scottish Rite, so I've not been exposed to his words.

I am an Odinist, however, and I could personally care less if he uses the names of Christian bad guys or good guys in his writings.

We do not use the name Lucifer in Blue Lodge, nor is it to him who we offer prayer. Or any other evil entity, unless you consider any god but yours evil, and the member who invokes him in his heart (not out loud) evil as well. In that case, I cannot help you.

Indrid Cold  posted on  2008-10-22   0:24:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

We do not use the name Lucifer in Blue Lodge, nor is it to him who we offer prayer. Or any other evil entity, unless you consider any god but yours evil, and the member who invokes him in his heart (not out loud) evil as well. In that case, I cannot help you.

Isn't the Blue Lodge just a place for beginners, where it only covers the first three degrees?

Do you study Kabbalah within the first three degrees?

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-10-22   12:17:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Isn't the Blue Lodge just a place for beginners, where it only covers the first three degrees?

There is no higher Mason than a 3rd Degree Mason. All additional degrees branch off, er, sideways, rather than up. If we choose, we may continue to seek further light in Masonry through the York Rite or the Scottish Rite. Having been through most of York Rite, I can tell you that it's even more Bible-centric than Blue Lodge, and that they're not giving away any real secrets there.

The secrets contained in Masonry are of an allegorical nature and mainly deal with how to live your life and how to treat other Brothers.

Indrid Cold  posted on  2008-10-22   12:37:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#60. To: Indrid Cold (#56)

BTW, I find the Kabbalah (or Qabalah) highly interesting, but lean towards a more neutral view of it than anyone applying it in relation to a religious dogma.

Since what I've read of Pike indicates that at least a large body of Masonry deifies Lucifer, I can see people getting into serious problems touching upon the occult while holding Lucifer in such high regard.

It could well open the wrong doors.

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-10-22 13:03:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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