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Title: Any Mason's here?
Source: X-15
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Published: Oct 21, 2008
Author: X-15
Post Date: 2008-10-21 17:18:18 by X-15
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Comments: 67

I'm going to a lodge meeting in a couple of weeks to see what it's all about. Is it a good way to network in my community?

Most of the Founding Fathers were Masons as were most of the Founding Fathers of the Republic of Texas: www.grandlodgeoftexas.org/Tx_heroes-2.php

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#1. To: X-15 (#0)

Freepers: hearts full of hate and cowardice, and skulls full, to quote a favorite saying of one of their favorite cowards, of mush.

Turtle  posted on  2008-10-21   17:23:34 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: X-15 (#0)

Repeating myself, and my father, when I was invited to a meeting, "Son, you don't want anything to do with those people."

Cleaning and clearing his effects in '06, I found a little card that 'honorably discharged' him from the local lodge back in 1947.

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Lod  posted on  2008-10-21   17:27:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: X-15 (#0)

Most of the Founding Fathers were Masons

Look around you at the fruit of what those so-called founding fathers started. That ought to give you some clue as to what it is all about. If not... well, you was warned.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-10-21   17:27:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: X-15 (#0)

"Three-quarters of US president in the Twentieth Century were high-level Masons. Both Bush and Kerry are Masons (Skull and Bones.) FDR, Churchill, Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin were masons. Most Zionist leaders were and are Masons. Gerhard Schroeder, Jacques Chirac and Tony Blair are Freemasons. So is Sadaam Hussein, which suggests the Iraq war could be a sadistic charade."

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-21   17:36:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: X-15 (#0)

Nope, but I have one in my family.

Seems harmless; they ain't what they used to be though, and are shriveling right along with practically every other civic/fraternal organization. They've lowered their standards a lot to try to get numbers up.

If race doesn't matter, why, in the textbook on cultural diversity, is the section on blacks the longest and the section on asians the shortest?

Tauzero  posted on  2008-10-21   17:49:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: X-15 (#0)

I graduated from George Mason. Does that count?

The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke

DeaconBenjamin  posted on  2008-10-21   19:02:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: X-15 (#0)

I've been a mason for about 12 years. I haven't been very active the last 5 or 6 though.

It's just a bunch of old men who meet twice a month and pay lodge bills. Then maybe a few times a year, we'd do a fund raising event of some kind... a dinner, whatever.

The NWO never approached me to help them take over the world however.

I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.
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Critter  posted on  2008-10-21   19:32:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Critter (#7)

I don't want to belong to any group that would have me as a member. I was, briefly, a member of Bill Hicks' "People who hate people" party. We got together and passed one resolution, then permanently disbanded. However, you can see the results of our handiwork every day, on every jar lid in the English speaking world. The little print on the side of each lid that says "Screw Off". You're welcome.

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Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2008-10-21   19:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Elliott Jackalope (#8)

I don't want to belong to any group that would have me as a member. I was, briefly, a member of Bill Hicks' "People who hate people" party.

lol

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christine  posted on  2008-10-21   19:47:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Critter, All (#7)

It's just a bunch of old men who meet twice a month and pay lodge bills. Then maybe a few times a year, we'd do a fund raising event of some kind... a dinner, whatever.

It's just a bunch of snobby old men. I was a member from 1971 to 1984. I was a 32 degree.

I also joined the Grotto. Every year the lodges in my county got together and put on the 16th degree at the fall reunion. I had the main part and was King Darius. The first few years it seemed fun but that wore off.

The politics were awful. Talk about klicks. Favoritism was the rule rather than the exception. It was like being a lowly member of Who's Who. Looking back it was one of my youthful indescretions.

So Mote It Be!

LACUMO  posted on  2008-10-21   20:07:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: X-15 (#0)

I always found the conspiracy theories about Freemasons to be a bit preposterous, and have relegated most of them to the larger competing cliques theory. The Rothschilds orchestrate wars and famine, Shriners (top level of Masonry, if I remember correctly) drive silly little cars in parades and run free childrens hospitals.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-10-21   21:49:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: LACUMO (#10)

What did you expect when joining these fraternal type organizations? It's just another set of rules to which would be social climbers can constrain themselves.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-10-21   22:01:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: LACUMO (#10)

I stayed in the blue lodge. Not much in the way of klicks or politics.

I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.
Tattoos Albany, NY

Critter  posted on  2008-10-21   22:08:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Elliott Jackalope (#8)

LOL! Great post. Thanks for the laugh.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-21   22:09:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: The Thread (#12)

Good to see that none have been to the grove.

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Lod  posted on  2008-10-21   22:10:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Critter (#13)

I stayed in the blue lodge. Not much in the way of klicks or politics.

No male porno stars?

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Lod  posted on  2008-10-21   22:13:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: lodwick (#16)

No female porn stars either.

I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.
Tattoos Albany, NY

Critter  posted on  2008-10-21   22:14:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Critter (#17)

No female porn stars either.

ACK!

Horrors! oh no!

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Lod  posted on  2008-10-21   22:16:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: X-15 (#0)

I'm going to a lodge meeting in a couple of weeks to see what it's all about. Is it a good way to network in my community?

Star in the East Lodge #33 represent! (Owatonna MN)

I joined a couple of years ago without knowing what Masons do--all I knew was that if there was a conspiracy afoot, I wanted in!

Still haven't found the conspiracy. What I have found are a great group of guys who I have a deep bond with--strangely enough, age, politics, and religion doesn't affect that bond. It's the world's largest and oldest fraternity--you'll have Brothers literally all over the world.

You'll find that we're all a bunch of intelligent weirdos.

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Indrid Cold  posted on  2008-10-21   22:19:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Cynicom (#4)

Both Bush and Kerry are Masons (Skull and Bones.)

Masons [equals not] Skull and Bones. Totally different fraternity.

Also, we're not forced to masturbate while lying naked in a coffin.

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Indrid Cold  posted on  2008-10-21   22:21:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: LACUMO (#10)

It's just a bunch of snobby old men. I was a member from 1971 to 1984. I was a 32 degree.

When I joined, the Worshipful Master was younger than I was (I'm 39). As were several other officers. We're really ramping up the growth in our lodge, bringing in a lot of new guys...

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Indrid Cold  posted on  2008-10-21   22:24:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Indrid Cold (#20)

Also, we're not forced to masturbate while lying naked in a coffin.

Obviously, you're not in the real deal.

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Lod  posted on  2008-10-21   22:33:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: X-15 (#0)

Bad move. Masons are sick bastards that molest kids.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-10-21   22:37:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Indrid Cold (#20)

Also, we're not forced to masturbate while lying naked in a coffin.

Of course not, you just molest kids instead. The coffin thing would be better.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-10-21   22:38:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: X-15 (#0)

I'm going to a lodge meeting in a couple of weeks to see what it's all about. Is it a good way to network in my community?

Did you know that they worship a deity they call Lucifer?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-10-21   22:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: lodwick (#22)

Obviously, you're not in the real deal.

Obviously not. Otherwise I'd be a US Ambassador by now (at least!)

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Indrid Cold  posted on  2008-10-21   22:39:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: RickyJ (#24)

Of course not, you just molest kids instead.

You're confusing us with Catholics.

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Indrid Cold  posted on  2008-10-21   22:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Indrid Cold (#26)

At least.

Don't get mixed up with those guys.

Period.

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Lod  posted on  2008-10-21   22:42:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Indrid Cold (#19)

You'll find that we're all a bunch of intelligent weirdos.

No, they are just weird without the intelligence. Kind of like clowns, expect nobody smiles when they are around.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-10-21   22:43:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: X-15 (#0)

I'm not a Mason, but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn last night.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-21   22:45:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: lodwick (#28)

Don't get mixed up with those guys.

Period.

They have to invite me. And I have to attend Yale.

Neither one of those is gonna come true in this lifetime.

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Indrid Cold  posted on  2008-10-21   22:46:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Indrid Cold, Critter, LACUMO (#19)

Checked out a couple of books from the campus library after class tonight, I'm reading up on the Old Charges and the differences between operative and speculative masonry. It seems to be "a peculiar systems of morality, veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols" to use their own words.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-21   23:04:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: X-15 (#32)

It seems to be "a peculiar systems of morality, veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols" to use their own words.

Uh, yes, that's accurate.

The difference between operative and speculative masonry is that one builds walls and one doesn't, though they may share the same clubhouse. At some point in time (1400s-1500s) European noblemen were allowed to join Masonry, though why they'd want to join a labor guild is not elaborated upon. Presumably cosmic secrets were in a lot smaller supply back then...

We refer to (small "g") god as the "Great Architect", not Lucifer. ("Small g" because Masonry requires you to have a belief in god as you understand him/her/it/them, not necessarily in the Christian sense.

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Indrid Cold  posted on  2008-10-21   23:34:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: X-15.lodwick (#0) (Edited)

The intro to Masonry was the Demolays. My lodge was nothing but faggots in high school. I quit. My dad was a 33rd degree mason...sadly, he felt it did not conflict with Christianity. He was wrong.

My church, the LCMS does not believe in secret societies, nor does the Bible.

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IndieTX  posted on  2008-10-21   23:42:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Indrid Cold (#33)

We refer to (small "g") god as the "Great Architect", not Lucifer. ("Small g" because Masonry requires you to have a belief in god as you understand him/her/it/them, not necessarily in the Christian sense.

Have you never heard of Albert Pike? Do you refute that he wrote the following words?

"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-10-21   23:44:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: FormerLurker (#35)

Have you never heard of Albert Pike? Do you refute that he wrote the following words?

"Lucifer, the Light-bearer!

My own Dad rationalizes Albert Pike FL...they are brainwashed. He says "but he lived a long time ago we don't believe that now....blah blah"..kinda like the Jehovas Witnesses. Blind.

They'll never admit the evil that it is.

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-- IndieTx

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2008-10-21   23:46:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Indrid Cold, X-15 (#33)

Are you familiar at all with this?

"Des Griffin quotes Lady Queensborough's book, "Occult Theocrasy," that records Albert Pike's own words: "Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay (Jehovah) is also God. For the eternal Law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black. For the Absolute can only exist as two Gods: darkness being necessary to light to serve as its foil as the pedestal is necessary to the statue and the brake to the locomotive. The doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophic Religion 'is the belief in Lucifer,' the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil." (La Femme et L' enfant dans La Frac-Maconnerie Universelle, by A.C. De La Rive, pg. 588, and Occult Theocrasy, by Lady Queensborough, pg. 220,221) Quoted from Fourth Reich of the Rich, Griffin, pg. 70,71"


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-10-21   23:47:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: IndieTX (#36)

They'll never admit the evil that it is.

Sadly, the same can be said for Scientologists.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-10-21   23:48:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: X-15, ALL (#0)

Freemasonry Lodge: The Real god of the Masonic Lodge

I have a problem with any group that idolizes a persona associated with evil.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-10-21   23:57:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: FormerLurker (#37)

Are you familiar at all with this?

I am. I have that book and Descent Into Slavery by Des Griffin. Both are great books.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-22   0:00:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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