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Title: SPACE RESERVED FOR NEWS ON COURT ORDER (BERG Vs. OBAMA)
Source: America's Right
URL Source: http://www.americasright.com/
Published: Oct 22, 2008
Author: Jeff Schreiber
Post Date: 2008-10-22 21:26:17 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 6047
Comments: 102

I have, from good and reliable sources, information suggesting that the Hon. R. Barclay Surrick will come down with an order and memorandum either on Thursday or Friday. (Phil Berg moved for a summary judgment in his case against Obama and the DNC which among other things demand Obama produce his birth certificate.)

This space is reserved for news on that order. Therefore, unless something monumental occurs over the next two days, I will not be reporting anything further so as to reserve this spot for news regarding the decision in the Berg v. Obama case. It should be easier for everyone that you can simply check this part of the page for news of the order without having to wade through anything else.

As luck would have it, Thursday and Friday represent the only two days this entire fall that I will not be at the courthouse. However, I will have a laptop--and at the very least a BlackBerry--and will receive the order and memorandum as soon as it is handed down. Immediately, I will relate word as to the general disposition of the case in this spot, with details to follow at some point later. If the order does not, for some reason, come down in the next two days, rest assured that it will be covered here prominently when it does.

Common sense, for the past two months, has told me that Philip Berg's case will be eventually dismissed on grounds of lack of standing. Nevertheless, I have had a gut feeling that Judge Surrick may very well just surprise us all -- the information I have been getting over the past 24-36 hours reinforces that gut feeling.

Please refrain from calling the courthouse, as I am told that the phone calls are coming in at the rate of several dozen each day. And, as always, keep checking here at America's Right for updates, especially this crucial one. America's Right was the first to report on this lawsuit when it was filed on August 21, and I have no reason to believe that America's Right will not be the first to report on the judge's decision.

Thank you, and keep your fingers crossed for not only a decision, but a favorable one.


(In case you have not been following this lawsuit neither Obama nor the DNC have refuted any of Berg's allegations which under law means they have accepted his staements as truth. Therefore Berg has asked for an expedited Summary Judgment)

Obama & DNC Admit All Allegations of Federal Court Lawsuit - Obama’s “Not” Qualified to be President

Obama Should Immediately Withdraw his Candidacy for President For Immediate Release: - 10/21/08 - Complete contact details and pdfs of this press release and motions filed by plaintiff Berg today are at the end of this article

(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/21/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and tbe DNC “ADMITTED”, by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit. Obama is “NOT QUALIFIED” to be President and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate. The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

Berg stated that he filed Requests for Admissions on September 15, 2008 with a response by way of answer or objection had to be served within thirty [30] days. No response to the Requests for Admissions was served by way of response or objection. Thus, all of the Admissions directed to Obama and the DNC are deemed “ADMITTED.” Therefore, Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President.

OBAMA - Admitted:

1. I was born in Kenya. 2. I am a Kenya “natural born” citizen.

3. My foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii. 4. My father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr. admitted Paternity of me.

5. My mother gave birth to me in Mombosa, Kenya. 6. My mother’s maiden name is Stanley Ann Dunham a/k/a Ann Dunham.

7. The COLB [Certification of Live Birth] posted on the website “Fightthesmears.com” is a forgery. 8. I was adopted by a Foreign Citizen.

9. I was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia. 10. I was not born in Hawaii.

11. I was not born at the Queens Medical Center in Hawaii. 12. I was not born at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Hawaii.

13. I was not born in a Hospital in Hawaii. 14. I am a citizen of Indonesia.

15. I never took the “Oath of Allegiance” to regain my U.S. Citizenship status. 16. I am not a “natural born” United States citizen.

17. My date of birth is August 4, 1961. 18. I traveled to Pakistan in 1981 with my Pakistan friends.

19. In 1981, I went to Indonesia on my way to Pakistan. 20. Pakistan was a no travel zone in 1981 for American Citizens.

21. In 1981, Pakistan was not allowing American Citizens to enter their country. 22. I traveled on my Indonesian Passport to Pakistan.

23. I renewed my Indonesian Passport on my way to Pakistan. 24. My senior campaign staff is aware I am not a “natural born” United States Citizen.

25. I am proud of my Kenya Heritage. 26. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name.

27. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name. 28. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth.

29. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name. 30. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name.

31. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth. 32. The document identified as my Indonesian School record from Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia is genuine.

33. I went to a Judge in Hawaii to have my name changed. 34. I went to a Senator and/or Congressman or other public official in Hawaii to have my name changed.

35. I had a passport issued to me from the Government of Indonesia. 36. The United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.

37. I am ineligible pursuant to the United States Constitution to serve as President and/or Vice President of the United States. 38. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Indonesia.

39. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Kenya. 40. I am an Attorney who specializes in Constitutional Law.

41. Kenya was a part of the British Colonies at the time of my birth. 42. Kenya did not become its own Republic until 1963.

43. I am not a “Naturalized” United States Citizen. 44. I obtained $200 Million dollars in campaign funds by fraudulent means.

45. I cannot produce a “vault” (original) long version of a birth certificate showing my birth in Hawaii. 46. My “vault” (original) long version birth certificate shows my birth in Kenya.

47. The only times I was to a Hospital in Hawaii was for check-ups or medical treatments for illnesses. 48. Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me.

49. Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me. 50. I was born in the Coast Province Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

51. I represented on my State Bar application in Illinois that I never used any other name other than Barack Hussein Obama. 52. I went by the name Barry Soetoro in Indonesia.

53. My Indonesian school records are under the name of Barry Soetoro. 54. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when admitted to the State Bar of Illinois to practice Law.

55. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when I was Sworn into my United States Senate Office. 56. I hold dual citizenship with at least one other Country besides the United States of America.

DNC - Admitted:

1. The DNC nominated Barrack Hussein Obama as the Democratic Nominee for President. 2. The DNC has not vetted Barrack Hussein Obama.

3. The DNC did not have a background check performed on Barrack Hussein Obama. 4.The DNC did not verify Barrack Hussein Obama’s eligibility to serve as President of the United States.

5. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya. 6. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama is not a “natural born” United States citizen.

7. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama was not born in Hawaii. 8.The DNC admits they have not inquired into Barrack Hussein Obama’s citizenship status.

9. The DNC admits they have a duty to properly vette the Democratic Nominee for President. 10.The DNC admits Lolo Soetoro, M.A., an Indonesian citizen adopted Barrack Hussein Obama.

11. The DNC admits the Credentials Committee has been aware of this lawsuit since August 22, 2008 as the lawsuit was faxed to our Washington D.C. Office on August 22, 2008.

12. The DNC admits their Credentials Committee failed to verify and/or inquire into the credentials of Barack Hussein Obama to serve as the President of the United States.

13. The DNC admits their Credential Committee’s Report failed to address the issues of Barack Hussein Obama’s ineligibility to serve as President of the United States. 14.The DNC admits Howard Dean, Chair Person has and had knowledge Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya and ineligible to serve as the President of the United States.

15. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all Democratic citizens of the United States have been personally injured as a result of not having a qualified Democratic Presidential Nominee to cast their votes upon. 16. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all citizens of the United States have a Constitutional Right to vote for the President of the United States and to have two (2) qualified candidates of which to choose from.

17. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all citizens of the United States have a Constitutional right to have a properly vetted Democratic Presidential Nominee of which to cast their vote. 18. The DNC admits an FBI background check is not performed on the Presidential or Vice Presidential Candidates.

19. The DNC admits the United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen. 20. The DNC admits they collected donations on behalf of Barack Hussein Obama for his Presidential campaign.

21. The DNC admits Plaintiff and Democratic citizens donated money based on false representations that Barack Hussein Obama was qualified to serve as the President of the United States. 22. The DNC admits if Barack Hussein Obama is elected as President and allowed to serve as President of the United States in violation of our Constitution, it will create a Constitutional crisis.

23. The DNC admits Barack Hussein Obama took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution. 24. The DNC admits allowing a person who is not a “natural born” citizen to serve as President of the United States violates Plaintiff’s rights to due process of law in violation of the United States Constitution.

25. The DNC admits allowing a person who is not a “natural born” citizen to serve as President of the United States violates Plaintiff’s rights to Equal Protection of the laws in violation of the United States Constitution. 26. The DNC admits the function of the DNC is to secure a Democratic Presidential Candidate who will protect Democratic citizen’s interests, fight for their equal opportunities and fight for justice for all Americans.

27. The DNC admits the Democratic National Committee has been promoting Barack Hussein Obama’s Presidential election knowing he was ineligible to serve as President of the United States. Our website obamacrimes.com now has 50.7 + million hits. We are urging all to spread the word of our website – and forward to your local newspapers, radio and TV stations. Berg again stressed his position regarding the urgency of this case as, “we” the people, are heading to a “Constitutional Crisis” if this case is not resolved forthwith. Philip J. Berg, Esquire 555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12 Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-2531 Cell (610) 662-3005 (610) 825-3134 (800) 993-PHIL [7445] Fax (610) 834-7659 philjberg@obamacrimes.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it


Poster Comment:

Whatever happens this case will be appealed to the Court of Appeals and to the Supreme Court. Talk radio could get this into the news. Of coiurse next year Obama and Pelosi will ban talk radio from the air. The Internet will be next.

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#33. To: Horse, christine (#0)

Title: Obama Must Stand Up Now or Step Down

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-10-29   13:50:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Horse (#0)

http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html

The certified birth certificate requirements for a U.S. passport are clear.

Shouldn't the requirements to be President of the United States be at least as stringent as the requirements for a passport?

*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.

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What did Obama use to get a passport? Has anyone asked?

honway  posted on  2008-10-29   14:43:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Horse (#0)

Title: Who Enforces the Constitution's Natural Born Citizen Clause?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-10-30   0:47:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Horse (#0)

Title: Berg to U.S. Supreme Court this Afternoon (Rally At 3:pm)

Title: PHILIP BERG WILL RALLY ON SUPREME COURT STEPS - DEFEND THE CONSTITUION TODAY OCT 3OTH (Obama eligibility lawsuit)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-10-30   13:46:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Horse (#0)

Title: Constitutional crisis feared over Obama's 'qualifications' / Supremes asked to halt Tuesday's vote

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-10-31   0:12:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Horse (#0)

Phil Berg Files Anti-Obama Case in Both the 3rd Circuit and the U.S. Supreme Court October 31st, 2008

Phil Berg Files Anti-Obama Case in Both the 3rd Circuit and the U.S. Supreme Court October 31st, 2008

On October 30, Philadelphia attorney Phil Berg filed his appeal in Berg v Obama in the 3rd circuit, case number 08-4340. That Court has not acted. Berg then filed with the U.S. Supreme Court, case number 08-570.

The U.S. Court of Appeals Clerk’s office is treating this case in an unusual manner. Normally, when one telephones the Clerk’s office and asks about the status of a case, someone in the clerical staff answers the question. In this particular case, the employees have been told not to release any information, without having the caller speak to one of the attorneys who works in the Clerk’s office.

The case concerns Berg’s assertions that Obama does not meet the constitutional qualifications to be president. The U.S. District Court had ruled earlier this month that Berg lacks standing.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-10-31   15:53:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Horse (#0)

BARACK OBAMA IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN

BARACK OBAMA IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN

Date: Friday, 31 October 2008, 3:53 a.m.

Obama has 8 lawsuits in 8 pending in 8 different venues and He has not replyed to any of them. I would not get into a bar without a valid ID, but this used car salesman is going to have the keys to the vault without a Birth Certificate? We are under the commericial law now, Obama is guilty by default. I pitty the poor fool Surrick, he does not know the rage that will hit him soon. I repeat Barack Obama has not complyed with presenting the bare minimum to run for President. He has not provided the evidence that he is an American. This is not about him being black. He is not an American, period. I rather have Jesse Jackson or Hillary Clinton. This guy is pure danger, a smooth talking con man that is liable to do anything. George Bush was relatively harmless compared to Barack Hussein Obama. Don't you get the joke?

Google is now censoring posts relating to Obama's Birth certificate with error messages on blogger.

While the disgraced mainstream media continues to ignore the constitutional crisis regarding Obama's birth certificate, we the people will not be deterred from getting the truth.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-10-31   21:31:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Horse (#0)

U.S. Supreme Court Asked to Delay Presidential Election

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-10-31   22:55:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: TwentyTwelve (#39)

The State of Hawaii has recently "certified" his birth certificate as legitimate.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-10-31   22:57:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Old Friend (#41)

The State of Hawaii has recently "certified" his birth certificate as legitimate.

Can you post the link?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-10-31   22:58:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: TwentyTwelve (#42)

http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2008/10/27/daily60.html

This isn't where I originally saw it but I found this. I thought I saw it on Drudge but it must have been somewhere else because I didn't see it there when I just checked.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-10-31   23:02:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: TwentyTwelve (#42)

Oh yes Worldnetdaily is carrying this link

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081031/BREAKING01/81031064/0/BREAKING04

Old Friend  posted on  2008-10-31   23:03:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Old Friend (#43)

www.bizjournals.com/pacif...s/2008/10/27/daily60.html

This isn't where I originally saw it but I found this. I thought I saw it on Drudge but it must have been somewhere else because I didn't see it there when I just checked.

Thanks.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-10-31   23:06:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Old Friend, Horse (#44)

Who is 'natural-born'?

Who is a natural-born citizen? Here's how Title 8, Section 1401 of the U.S. Code defines those people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Anyone born inside the United States;

Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe;

Anyone born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.;

Anyone born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national;

Anyone born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year;

Anyone found in the U.S. under the age of 5, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21;

Anyone born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time);

A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

Source: www.USConstitution.net

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-11-01   10:07:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: TwentyTwelve (#46)

Obama is from another galaxy.

There's no way a person looking like that could have originated from the "Milky Way" Galaxy.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-11-01   10:11:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Sam Houston, Horse (#47)

Philip Berg: Obama Birth Certificate Appeal

"It is highly doubtful that congress would jump in against Barack Obama over his standing as a citizen. However, given the involvement of the court in Bush v. Gore, I imagine that if John McCain lost, he would have standing to challenge the election on natural born citizen grounds. I am sure that the courts would hear such a case. Other than that, I don’t see any other way to get it done. If any legal minds wish to opine otherwise, I welcome your thoughts."

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-11-01   10:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Rotara, Horse (#32)

Obama's Contempt for our Constitution

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-11-01   10:30:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: TwentyTwelve (#49)

Fobama hates you. Make no mistake about it.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-01   10:33:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Old Friend, all (#41)

It does not prove anything! It's what they don't say that is more important. All that was said by the Hawaii State officials is that 1) Obama was born in Hawaii, 2) that the Department of Health holds Obama's original birth certificate and 3) that they never gave instructions for Obama's birth certificate be handled differently. I'm more convince than ever that Obama is a phony. He probably paid someone to smoke screen the issue just like the bribe he offered the africanpress to stop them from releasing a Michele Obama's recorded tape where she admits that Obama was adopted by his Indonesian father. This is proof positive that he is not a US citizen, but a citizen of Indonesia. The Health department in Hawaii never said that the certificate of birth that Obama posted on his 'smears' site is accurate!

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-11-01   21:57:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Rotara, Horse (#50)

Title: Obama lied ... Cert of Live Birth on His Website is Fascimile:

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-11-01   21:59:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Rotara, Horse, christine (#50)

No Holds Barred Interview with Phillip Berg - Happy Halloween!

UPDATE! NOV 01, 2008

Phillip J. Berg will be returning to Overnight AM on Monday night at 9:00 PM CST till 11:00PM CST.

In this show we will be breaking new information to the world in regard to the Berg vs Obama case.

PODCAST READY for OVERNIGHT AM INSIDERS - This should hold you over for the weekend as I continue to get over the flu. A no holds barred interview with Phillip Berg, the man who taken his patriotism to the next level by confronting the issues around Barack Obama possibly not being a citizen of the United States. It’s a FREE Download in Podcast form and it’s free to distribute to ANYONE you like! Email it to your friends, your family, your relations, your enemies! Help to get the word out about this issue. I’m the very first person to make any interview with Phillip Berg PUBLIC DOMAIN because I believe this issue to be to great to ignore! You can rebroadcast it, listen to it, reference it, share it. You can not modify or change it in anyway, or rebroadcast it out of context, remix or re-master the audio file in anyway

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-11-02   0:21:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Sam Houston, Horse, rotara, christine (#47)

Listen Live this Weekend for FREE - Phillip J. Berg & Andy Martin - Special Access

LISTEN NOW - This weekend we’re running the Phillip J. Berg interview from Oct 30, 2008 all weekend long followed up by the Andy Martin interview from Oct 27, 2008. Both of these programs are very controversial as both men are pursuing the condemnation of Barack Obama as a candidate for the office of the President of the United States via the legal system. interestingly enough, the mainstream media have avoided Berg and have flat out attacked Andy Martin for their efforts in exposing Barack Obama as a non-citizen of the United States because of the issues surrounding Barack Obama’s history overseas, and the fact that Obama will not address the issue openly, which we think he should do to end the debate.

To listen to the live stream, just CLICK HERE and your browser will connect to the live stream. Make sure your speakers are turned on and turned up. Enjoy the show!

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-11-02   0:30:41 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Horse (#0)

Title: Hawai'i Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino adds to the confusion over Obama's birth

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-11-02   2:51:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Old Friend, rotara, Horse, christine (#41)

www.obamacrimes.com/

U.S. Supreme Court Writ of Certiorari and Application for Stay of the Presidential Election

by Obama Crimes on Sun 02 Nov 2008 02:10 PM EST

Attached is the complete U. S. Supreme Court filing with exhibits and affadavits:

U.S. Supreme Court Writ of Certiorari – PDF (202 KB)

Exhibit Charter Schools Rainbow Edition Newsletter – PDF (658 KB)

Exhibit The Star Bulletin – Obama born in different hostpital – PDF (43 KB)

Exhibit Plaintiff Request for Admissions to Obama – PDF (80 KB)

Application to Justice David H. Souter for a stay of the Presidential Elections and/or a Temp. Injunction staying the Presidential Election pending resolution of the Writ of Certiorari – PDF (206 KB)

Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae – PDF (3707 KB)

Exhibits for Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae – PDF (178 KB)

Affidavit of Reverend Kweli Shuhubia – PDF (146 KB)

Posted to: Articles

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-11-02   18:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: TwentyTwelve (#51)

What about challenging all this early voting nonsense. The constitution is clear that voting is to be on ONE uniform day throughout the country.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-11-02   21:07:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: TwentyTwelve (#51)

It does not prove anything! It's what they don't say that is more important. All that was said by the Hawaii State officials is that 1) Obama was born in Hawaii, 2) that the Department of Health holds Obama's original birth certificate and 3) that they never gave instructions for Obama's birth certificate be handled differently

You are correct that it doesn't prove anything. To be proven it would have to be by each individual examining the evidence and making up their own mind. Not some media outlet or state proclaiming something.

That doesn't mean that they are lying though.

Obama may very well be a citizen. I am not sure. But I think the odds are better then 50 percent that he is indeed a citizen.

I think though that his mother would have probably had him in the U.S. though. Because her and Obamas father would want that U.S. Citizenship.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-11-02   21:49:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Old Friend, Horse, christine, ALL (#58)

Sun 11.02 >> First Hour: Philip J. Berg shares an update.

Coast To Coast AM Radio

Coast to Coast AM

Coast to Coast Radio Stations

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-11-03   0:42:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Old Friend (#58)

Not to mention the superior medical facilities.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-11-03   0:56:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Old Friend, rotara (#42)

The State of Hawaii has recently "certified" his birth certificate as legitimate.

The State of Hawaii never said if the birth certificate is from Hawaii or Kenya.

A legitimate Kenyan birth certificate is not going to save Barry Sotoro, I mean Barrack H. Obama.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-11-03   1:56:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: TwentyTwelve, old friend, rotara (#61)

The State of Hawaii never said if the birth certificate is from Hawaii or Kenya.

Furthermore the State of Hawaii issues Hawaiian Certificates of Birth to those who have been born in foreign places. Check Hawaii's web site.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-03   2:09:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: scrapper2 (#62)

Furthermore the State of Hawaii issues Hawaiian Certificates of Birth to those who have been born in foreign places. Check Hawaii's web site.

How about a link to your alleged comment please.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-11-03   8:08:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Old Friend, TwentyTwelve, Rotara, christine, mirage, Jethro Tull (#63)

How about a link to your alleged comment please.

Here's the problem with Hawaii's birth certificate procedures and also why Obama's mother's status at the time would not give her the right to automatically pass on US citizenship to Obama if he were born in Kenya per State Department rules - this is all explained rather nicely by another person on another forum,"The Swamp", discussing this very matter:

According to information from the U.S. State Department, Obama cannot be a natural-born citizen if he we born outside the US. Here is quote from the U.S. State Department's website:

www.travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html :

"Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child."

The problem for Obama is that his American mother was only 18 at the time of his birth. It was impossible for her to meet the requirement of living the US for 5 years after the age of 14 because she was too young. According to the information from the State Department, the original requirements are in effect and there is not retroactive change in the law for people born between 1952 and 1986.

Regarding the Hawaiian birth certificate that Obama has shown a few select reporters as evidence of being a natural-born citizen. While some question the authenticity of this document, even if it is a real document it does not prove that Obama was born in Hawaii. According to the state of Hawaii, birth certificates can be issued for foreign births. See:

hawaii.gov/health/vital-r.../vital-records/index.html

Here is the quote from that webpage:

"Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country."

The only way to verify Obama's claim to be a natural born citizen is to see his full birth records, but Obama refuses to release this information.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-03   11:42:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: TwentyTwelve (#61)

A legitimate Kenyan birth certificate is not going to save Barry Sotoro, I mean Barrack H. Obama.

It's ok to type it. Today anyway. ;-)

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"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-03   11:47:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: scrapper2 (#64)

The only way to verify Obama's claim to be a natural born citizen is to see his full birth records, but Obama refuses to release this information.

Barry Hussein Obamalamadingdong the Illegal Alien Soetoro is the perfect stooge.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-03   11:48:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Horse (#0)

Title: Razzmatazz Killed Mother Wit... and Now He is Going After Our Constitution

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-11-03   13:54:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Horse (#0)

Title: Justice Souter denies injunction for stay of predidential election (Obama)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-11-04   13:38:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Horse (#0)

Title: Will Supreme Court have say in presidency?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-11-07   1:34:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Horse (#0)

Title: Press Release 11-07-08: US Supreme Court awaits response to Berg Writ of Certiorari from Obama, DNC and co-defendants

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-11-09   13:28:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Horse (#0)

'Constitutional crisis' looming over Obama's birth location

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-11-16   12:58:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Horse (#0)

Title: Allen Keyes Files Lawsuit in Obama Birth-gate Case

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-11-16   16:51:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Horse (#0)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-11-17   19:19:59 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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