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Title: Drudge Headline: SHOCK: MCCAIN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH
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URL Source: http://www.drudgereport.com/
Published: Oct 23, 2008
Author: Drudge
Post Date: 2008-10-23 16:14:45 by christine
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Views: 8111
Comments: 659
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#68. To: christine (#0)
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from my previous post: it showed what-looked-to-be 1/8" abrasions on the woman's cheek, in the form of a backwards "B"... just like it would look if she'd drawn the B on her cheek while looking in a mirror. was the picture for real? ...who knows. i've still got the picture in preview mode of 4um. ...i will save it to tinypic and post it."
If he were standing at her head, would it be backwards>>>> You will never make detective grade.
ah. you think a young woman is gonna just lie there and let someone scrape on her face? dont you think he'd have to be sitting on her chest to hold her down, instead of "standing at her head"? not to mention the fact that whoever published that picture could have reversed it in photoshop.... the point being, it's way too soon for a hatefest... you should wait until the dust settles a little bit before you start frothing.
First photo, right hand to the eye, then stand at her head and cut her with the right hand. Second photo, left hand to the eye, right hand to cut. I believe the first makes more sense.
none of it makes sense. that's why you should wait before you start spewing hatred all over this motherfucking forum.
You might want to temper your vulgar language.
you might want to use your brain and stifle your knee-jerk tendency to demonstrate your hatred.
I dont mind your hatred, I do dislike your vulgar language. Do try a few more manners.
if your delicate little sensibilities are offended by the word "motherfucker", you can put me on bozo. in the meantime, you and your redneck cohorts have demonstrated, time after time in the short time i've been here, that you'd rather hate than think.
We do not have bozo... We do like a little more decorum, I do hope you have some societal graces.
so i wont be accepted into your "society" until i start demonstrating "societal graces", graces that presumably include spewing race hate at the slightest opportunity. sorry, old fellow, you're just gonna have to put up with my lack of "societal graces", as defined by the redneck cabal.
Have at all the hating and name calling you desire. You are not the first one nor the last. However, your vulgar language is too much and it is ungentlemanly to use such around polite people. At home with your family, feel free to vent your vulgar spleen, just not here.
the fact remains: there is a large percentage of you people who leap on any sleazy little opportunity to vent your hatred... ...apparently not realizing that you're alienating more people than you're winning over... especially when you go off half-cocked, as you do so often... ...this present thread being just one more example. . i spose i could make you a deal: you tolerate my vulgarity and i will tolerate your hatred...
It's my understanding that very few street thugs or stick-up artists base their political views on what's presented at this site,so I'll take my chances.
aha! so you're saying this site is geared towards racists. who'da guessed?
So you're saying all blacks like street thugs? How enlightened.
i'm saying that many of you people use the flimsiest pretext to vent your hatred. many of you seem to be sick. you post stuff that's unproven, unreliable, unconfirmed, then rattle on for page after hate-filled page. sick
many of you seem to be sick. Why are you here then? Please, find an exit.
Looks like another white guilter, knee padder has come out of the closet????? Self hating type people. Exposing their true selves for all to see, and it is a sorry sight.
What's sad about these people is that they think they are doing something noble. Probably have never actually had any black friends, their only interaction seems to be the social worker/client relationship. Well I do have black friends, not middle class, either, but working class, and they are appalled by the rampant criminality and irresponsibility that all but defines the inner city crowd.
nobility's got nothing to do with it. blowing holes in your muddled thinking... that's what it's about.
The muddled thinking that thinks violent thugs should be taken to task regardless of the color of their skin. What the hell was I thinking?
you guys try all these feeble little rationales to justify the obvious fact that (1) your logic is haywire, and (2) you're frustrated by the success of a person that you hate because of the color of his skin.
Bashing ATM customers on the head is a sign of success? Maybe you should examine your own logic.
ah. that's why you're defending the racist patriarch of 4um. i see.
I see, you're not just plain stupid, you've been taught stupid.
you cant answer the question, so you gots to call me names. good enough
You were asking me to justify what someone else posted. Ever heard the term "Guilt By Association"?
what we need here, i guess, is an estimation from you of cynicom's mental ability... you dont seem to see any need to point out his logical inconsistencies, so i guess readers will be excused for assuming you think hatred based on race is okay. i dont really see what other conclusion readers can come to.
Yes, you caught me. I actually hate my black friends, and only hang out with them because I'm taking notes to eventually be turned over to Cynicom so he can put all our dope-smoking asses in jail. Feel better?
why are you so reluctant to point out the illogic of cynicom's position, that position being: since i dont hate blacks, i hate myself?
Because you lack the ability to differentiate between hating blacks and hating thugs. You apparently equate blacks with thugs and will defend the latter to the great detriment of the former.
i say again: any of you people who, after repeated urging to do so, refuse to acknowledge the illogic inherent in cynicom's "white guilt" argument is on shaky ground.
You people?
any of you white people who refuse to confront the illogic of cynicom's argument "if they dont hate blacks, they hate themselves" must be racists. at the very least, you dont mind being taken for racists by any casual passerby that reads your threads and watches you kowtowing to this crap.
I get called racist for opposing affirmative action, welfare, crack babies, drive-by shootings, pimps, and purple polyester. Why should any of these things be sacred to either of us?
i didnt say they were sacred. based on evidence, i'd say they were bad ideas... especially the purple polyester. but i notice, once again, that you refuse to acknowledge the illogic of cynicom's argument that, if i dont hate blacks, i hate myself. why is that?
Once again, because you call anyone who dares point out the disproportionate dysfunction rampant among blacks a racist, yet you revel in ridiculing impoverished whites with your cracks about crackers, or remarks about rednecks, whatever the hell you were babbling about.
why are you unable to acknowledge the illogic of cynicom's argument?
Why are you unable to understand that I refuse to be a spokesman for everyone who you disagree with? Not my problem, man. It's getting old.
so you come up with all these lame attempts to avoid pointing out the logical inconsistencies of cynicom's argument. i guess we will just have to wonder: why is that?
i guess we will just have to wonder: why is that? I've told you at least twice why he would have made that remark, not to mention at least five times I've told you I don't give a crap what other folks say. Keep wondering, Alice. Feed your head.
i'm not interested in why cynicom made the remark; that's obvious. what i'm trying to pry out of you is acknowledgement that his argument is illogical, and based on his racism.
have you ever heard of Defensive Racism?
yeah. i think someone posted it the other day. i got a little into it, and decided that ...was it a birdman thing? ...that it had some points. on the other hand, it didnt seem to address the question i've been asking: is there any logic in the proposition that whites who dont hate blacks hate themselves? would you like to take a crack at explaining that logic?
this might be of interest to you: Shelby Steele (a black man who coined the term White Guilt and who authored the book, White Guilt-How Whites and Blacks Together Destroyed The Promise of the Civil Rights Era) The age of white guilt: and the disappearance of the black individual
"white guilt"... sounds like a theory that was exploited during the civil rights movement to institute lame programs that would antagonize white people... must go hand in hand with "black culture"... think of the opportunities all this strife will produce once our masters decide they need to clamp down a little harder. i wonder who the leaders of the civil rights movement were in those good ol' days, and i wonder why an israeli american, the biggest contributor to the democrat party, has seen fit to buy the largest spanish-speaking television network in the US. it's my guess that, if i dont hate hispanics, i hate myself.
"white guilt"... sounds like a theory that was exploited during the civil rights movement to institute lame programs that would antagonize white people... must go hand in hand with "black culture"... think of the opportunities all this strife will produce once our masters decide they need to clamp down a little harder. i wonder who the leaders of the civil rights movement were in those good ol' days, and i wonder why an israeli american, the biggest contributor to the democrat party, has seen fit to buy the largest spanish-speaking television network in the US. it's my guess that, if i dont hate hispanics, i hate myself. You are such a delightful mix of disinformation and misconceptions that it is a pleasure to read your posts. Not many people in the possession of so many ill informed and paradoxical positions has the guts to post here. It is like having "Turtle's" mirror image. Yin and Yang. Dumb and Dumber.
too bad you dont have the wherewithal to refute those "ill informed and paradoxical positions".
too bad you dont have the wherewithal to refute those "ill informed and paradoxical positions". Not lack of wherewithal - lack of interest. Yawn. I am not interested in playing that game - just as I generally do not go after the poison pens of racist screeds. Both extremes are irrational and founded upon opinions which lack substantiation in fact. One might as well argue with the fog. You caught my interest momentarily only because of your ill grace and inability to state a reasoned position without resorting to epithets and personal attacks. If one is going to combat irrationality one should not behave irrationally in doing so. For what is worth I have spent some time countering the occasional racist commentary which I saw as equally ill founded as your knee-jerk, and I do mean jerk, reactions.
so you dont care enough about your position to refute positions you attack. good enough
good enough There you go again - imputing motives to others without justification or placing them in a sound argument. I make it a rule to never argue with someone who is irrational. They are immune to logic and reason. One might say "Invincibly Ignorant". Racism, just as apologetics for criminal acts because they are conducted by a member of certain race, is irrational. One does not counter insanity by arguing with it as that merely feeds it. Oh, by the way, who do you work for? NSA? AIPAC? CIA? CENTCOM?
Isn't it amusing that the Obama functionaries, had this girl had been black and an O supporter, would have been yelling racism in the streets. Here we have a white kid apparently assaulted by an O supporter, and the Obama functionaries are still yelling racism.
The "racism card" like it's partner the "anti-semitism card" has become the universal knee-jerk reaction and pre-emptive defense if someone notices bad behavior by an individual member of said group. They exist mainly to silence critics of the behavior of SOME members of said groups by implying that one holds a disdain for ALL members of that group by virtue of criticizing the behavior of SOME member of that sacred group. It is cultural balkanization. That is why the CIA et. al., offed MLK and did their best to drive a stake through the heart of the Civil Rights Movement. The Civil Rights Movement was on the verge of winning the day and uniting members white and black in the family of man. By murdering King, the unifying force - with his powerful oratory skills, they were able to fracture the coalescing united front. As well Black America was attacked with government programs to degrade them into what we see now - with high rates of illiteracy, a dysfunctional anti-education culture, and rampant criminality - as the illiterate are often without hope and turn to crime. Welfare, ADC, and Food Stamps were not set up to help Black America but to disable them. The key goals of the original Civil Rights Movement were education, and equal access. That was turned and blunted into illiteracy and self segregation.
I can't find the references now, but the American left has been using blacks as a vanguard to destroy this country for years. What we are seeing today is the culmination of their strategy, a strategy that couldn't be successful w/o the help of a new wing of the American left - the neoliberal.
I wouldn't call it the "left" per se - although they were co-opted into the program and are largely a bunch of guilt ridden suckers. The programs that were so successful at destroying the Civil Rights Movement and Black America are now being applied to White America with devastating effect. Literacy levels have collapsed and the US is no longer even in the top ten on literacy. See my post above. (#303)
want to explain how dumbing everyone down makes them more susceptible to, for instance, tales of afghan cavemen knocking down skyscrapers in new york city?
The short answer is that people with low levels of literacy also have low levels of knowledge i.e., they are ignorant in the non-perjorative sense. People who are ignorant have no knowledge base to inform them and they are thus more easily the prey of those selling snake oil. Semi-literate people jammed through an education system that enforces tunnel vision i.e., specialized degrees results in people very knowledgable about less and less and hence they as well are functionally ignorant beyond their narrow sphere. Thusly you wind up with people working on Wall Street to whom it was a complete surprise to find out that the Federal Reserve is as Federal as Federal Express.
you might throw in there, also, the work of the advertising agencies. once the people are dumbed down, once they become dependent on television, they are exposed to the work of madison avenue. if you've ever tried to follow the logic of a commercial, you'll realize that logic has nothing to do with selling something... that shit is aimed right at the mammalian brain that houses our instincts, and if can short circuit our new brain, the one that does the real thinking, so much the better. we have to assume that commericals have two aims: first, disable the centers of critical thought and logic, and second, drive straight into the part of the brain where our basic instincts lie.
I have at times - just not this time, but I do agree. That is basically what is occurring. I don't agree with the materialist view that we are purely creatures of chemical reactions and meat but that is another debate. Are you familiar with the work of Edward Bernays?
yes. now then, do you want to admit that a huge majority of the american population, white, black, or whatever, have been subjected to enough television to render them incapable of logical thought? are you willing to admit that those people will be more susceptible to crackpot white racist theories that say "any white person that does not hate blacks hates themselves"?
yes. now then, do you want to admit that a huge majority of the american population, white, black, or whatever, have been subjected to enough television to render them incapable of logical thought? are you willing to admit that those people will be more susceptible to crackpot white racist theories that say "any white person that does not hate blacks hates themselves"? I have argued as much repeatedly. I stopped watching television years ago now. My total TV viewing in a typical year is less than 20 hours (except in a good college Bowl Season). I don't believe that was Cyni's point. While I am loathe to tell other people what they think - as I interpreted Cyni's point it was more a matter of some White people who feel guilty for being white, and presumably more priveledged, and thus make excuses for minorities who violate civilized standards of behavior excusing under whatever rationale - often to the point of denigrating or rejecting their own group, excusing the behavior regardless of the crime, and thus the term "White Guilters".
#349. To: Original_Intent (#347)
so maybe you could intercede with cynicom for me, huh? it would be ever so much nicer if he could desist from saying i hate myself because i dont hate blacks... ...dont you think?
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest"well, the picture of the "victim" seems to have disappeared itself already.
#70. To: wadosy (#68)
it showed what-looked-to-be 1/8" abrasions on the woman's cheek, in the form of a backwards "B"...
#74. To: Cynicom (#70)
If he were standing at her head, would it be backwards
#76. To: wadosy (#74)
dont you think he'd have to be sitting on her chest to hold her down, instead of "standing at her head"?
#78. To: Turtle (#76)
#81. To: wadosy (#78)
#84. To: Cynicom (#81)
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You might want to temper your vulgar language.
#85. To: wadosy (#84)
#88. To: Cynicom (#85)
(Edited)
I dont mind your hatred, I do dislike your vulgar language. Do try a few more manners.
#90. To: wadosy (#88)
#94. To: Cynicom (#90)
(Edited)
societal graces
#98. To: wadosy (#94)
#106. To: Cynicom (#98)
#112. To: wadosy (#106)
...apparently not realizing that you're alienating more people than you're winning over...
#116. To: Dakmar (#112)
It's my understanding that very few street thugs or stick-up artists base their political views on what's presented at this site,so I'll take my chances.
#118. To: wadosy (#116)
so you're saying this site is geared towards racists.
#120. To: Dakmar (#118)
#122. To: wadosy (#120)
i'm saying that many of you people use the flimsiest pretext to vent your hatred.
#126. To: Jethro Tull, all (#122)
#129. To: Cynicom (#126)
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#131. To: Dakmar (#129)
What's sad about these people is that they think they are doing something noble.
#136. To: wadosy (#131)
blowing holes in your muddled thinking..
#138. To: Dakmar (#136)
#141. To: wadosy (#138)
you're frustrated by the success of a person that you hate because of the color of his skin.
#144. To: Dakmar (#141)
Bashing ATM customers on the head is a sign of success? Maybe you should examine your own logic.
#146. To: wadosy (#144)
that's why you're defending the racist patriarch of 4um.
#147. To: Dakmar (#146)
#150. To: wadosy (#147)
you cant answer the question, so you gots to call me names.
#155. To: Dakmar (#150)
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Why are you arguing with me about what Cynicom posted?
#157. To: wadosy (#155)
so i guess readers will be excused for assuming you think hatred based on race is okay.
#159. To: Dakmar (#157)
#163. To: wadosy (#159)
why are you so reluctant to point out the illogic of cynicom's position, that position being: since i dont hate blacks, i hate myself?
#164. To: Dakmar (#163)
#166. To: wadosy (#164)
any of you people
#171. To: Dakmar (#166)
You people?
#175. To: wadosy (#171)
at the very least, you dont mind being taken for racists by any casual passerby that reads your threads and watches you kowtowing to this crap
#177. To: Dakmar (#175)
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I get called racist for opposing affirmative action, welfare, crack babies, drive-by shootings, pimps, and purple polyester. Why should any of these things be sacred to either of us?
#179. To: wadosy (#177)
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#180. To: Dakmar (#179)
#183. To: wadosy (#180)
why are you unable to acknowledge the illogic of cynicom's argument?
#185. To: Dakmar (#183)
Why are you unable to understand that I refuse to be a spokesman for everyone who you disagree with? Not my problem, man. It's getting old.
#189. To: wadosy (#185)
so you come up with all these lame attempts to avoid pointing out the logical inconsistencies of cynicom's argument.
#191. To: Dakmar (#189)
#221. To: wadosy (#191)
#223. To: christine (#221)
(Edited)
have you ever heard of Defensive Racism?
#248. To: wadosy (#223)
#253. To: christine (#248)
(Edited)
The age of white guilt: and the disappearance of the black individual
#259. To: wadosy, Turtle, christine (#253)
The age of white guilt: and the disappearance of the black individual
#260. To: Original_Intent (#259)
Not many people in the possession of so many ill informed and paradoxical positions has the guts to post here.
#261. To: wadosy (#260)
Not many people in the possession of so many ill informed and paradoxical positions has the guts to post here.
#264. To: Original_Intent (#261)
lack of wherewithal
#272. To: wadosy (#264)
so you dont care enough about your position to refute positions you attack.
#276. To: All (#272)
#285. To: Jethro Tull (#276)
#294. To: Original_Intent (#285)
#305. To: Jethro Tull (#294)
I can't find the references now, but the American left has been using blacks as a vanguard to destroy this country for years. What we are seeing today is the culmination of their strategy, a strategy that couldn't be successful w/o the help of a new wing of the American left - the neoliberal.
#306. To: Original_Intent (#305)
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#310. To: wadosy (#306)
want to explain how dumbing everyone down makes them more susceptible to, for instance, tales of afghan cavemen knocking down skyscrapers in new york city?
#313. To: Original_Intent (#310)
(Edited)
The short answer is that people with low levels of literacy also have low levels of knowledge
#337. To: wadosy (#313)
you might throw in there, also, the work of the advertising agencies.
we have to assume that commericals have two aims: first, disable the centers of critical thought and logic, and second, drive straight into the part of the brain where our basic instincts lie.
#340. To: Original_Intent (#337)
Edward Bernays
#347. To: wadosy, Cynicom (#340)
Edward Bernays
now then, do you want to admit that a huge majority of the american population, white, black, or whatever, have been subjected to enough television to render them incapable of logical thought?
are you willing to admit that those people will be more susceptible to crackpot white racist theories that say "any white person that does not hate blacks hates themselves"?
Replies to Comment # 347. I don't believe that was Cyni's point.
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