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#346. To: Jethro Tull (#345)

Swell, have a good evening, Rain Man.

JT is the red queen, able to believe six impossible things before breakfast...

including white american culture's demonstrated adherence to the golden rule (subject to override by the rule of "might makes right")

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   23:23:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#347. To: wadosy, Cynicom (#340)

Edward Bernays

yes.

now then, do you want to admit that a huge majority of the american population, white, black, or whatever, have been subjected to enough television to render them incapable of logical thought?

are you willing to admit that those people will be more susceptible to crackpot white racist theories that say "any white person that does not hate blacks hates themselves"?

now then, do you want to admit that a huge majority of the american population, white, black, or whatever, have been subjected to enough television to render them incapable of logical thought?

I have argued as much repeatedly. I stopped watching television years ago now. My total TV viewing in a typical year is less than 20 hours (except in a good college Bowl Season).

are you willing to admit that those people will be more susceptible to crackpot white racist theories that say "any white person that does not hate blacks hates themselves"?

I don't believe that was Cyni's point. While I am loathe to tell other people what they think - as I interpreted Cyni's point it was more a matter of some White people who feel guilty for being white, and presumably more priveledged, and thus make excuses for minorities who violate civilized standards of behavior excusing under whatever rationale - often to the point of denigrating or rejecting their own group, excusing the behavior regardless of the crime, and thus the term "White Guilters".

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-23   23:24:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#348. To: Jethro Tull (#343)

Stats are stats.

There's your problem. Statistics do say something and the educated attempt to interpret their correct meaning. Hence my question. If you don't know the answer, it's okay.

As far as why I labeled the story as sensationalistic garbage, I refer you to Michelle Malkin. I think she is someone with whom you may relate:

michellemalkin.com/2008/1...in-volunteers-mutilation- story-smells-awfully-weird/

angle  posted on  2008-10-23   23:24:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#349. To: Original_Intent (#347)

I don't believe that was Cyni's point.

so maybe you could intercede with cynicom for me, huh?

it would be ever so much nicer if he could desist from saying i hate myself because i dont hate blacks...

...dont you think?

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   23:27:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#350. To: angle (#348)

So basically the kids story doesn't fit your racial template, so you blow it off. Same with raw crime statistics, they don't fit your racial profile, so you disregard them. Very, very open minded of you.....

I'm glad you're on the other side of the fight, Mr. Angle.

We have enough 'tards on ours as it is.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-23   23:28:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#351. To: Jethro Tull (#350)

So basically the kids story doesn't fit your racial template, so you blow it off.

Yeah, that must be it.

angle  posted on  2008-10-23   23:29:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#352. To: wadosy (#344)

the golden rule

ah.

our heroic white culture has been so good at demonstrating their belief in the golden rule, especially in places like vietnam, afghanistan and iraq.

...not to mention, palestine.

Now you resort to common logical fallacies. Yawn.

Quoting Out of Context

our heroic white culture has been so good at demonstrating their belief in the golden rule, especially in places like vietnam, afghanistan and iraq.

You falsely associate the actions of an out of control criminal government with the culture. The two are not an identity - something which you likely know and hence your argument is knowingly false.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-23   23:32:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#353. To: angle, Jethro Tull, christine (#321)

Are these results a function of color or class?

Who cares?

We need to do one study on the effects of forced bussing on whites for instance.

Bussing (to achieve artificial racial balances) has devastated public education in America and blacks are still underachieving losers, and here you are asking for more breast beating sorrow about the conditions under which poor downtrodden blacks labor?

And, BTW, it's only American born blacks who "suffer" these crushing effects of "racism". Caribbean blacks have incomes roughly equal to whites while American blacks just can't seem to find that ladder of opportunity.

It seems that too many blacks have embraced the status of social cripples and intended to milk it for all its worth.

And you seem all too happy to assist in that white guilt campaign.

"Defensive racism" is defined as "the desire to secure a future for our children" and in our own country the mere utterance of that phrase is some kind of "crime" to those who absolutely demand that whites be held down and carefully watched.

Well, fuck them.

we ain't cringing at the charge of "racist" anymore.

I'm not going to apologize for being white or having white children, and, if they mean to have a war then let it begin here.

In the mean time why don't you do a little research and try to find a black/colored abolitionist movement anywhere in the world before whites started it.

And then explain why slavery still exists in dark countries just as it did when slaves were brought here.

And, why aren't you shaming some darkies for that obscene state of affairs?

Why do you seem to prefer browbeating the hard working whites who have elevated (with our tax dollars) American blacks to the healthiest, best educated and wealthiest in the world?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-10-23   23:34:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#354. To: Original_Intent (#352) (Edited)

You falsely associate the actions of an out of control criminal government with the culture.

dont we have an "all-volunteer" army? where did those volunteers come from?

what's up with that?

would you like to speculate on how recruiters' performance will improve once the full effects of wall street looters make themselves apparent?

would you like to explain the popularity of video games based on killing things wholesale?

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   23:35:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#355. To: wadosy (#346)

Swell, have a good evening, Rain Man.

JT is the red queen, able to believe six impossible things before breakfast...

It was the "Queen of Hearts" and it was "EIGHT impossible things" before breakfast.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-23   23:42:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#356. To: HOUNDDAWG (#353) (Edited)

Why do you seem to prefer browbeating the hard working whites who have elevated (with our tax dollars) American blacks to the healthiest, best educated and wealthiest in the world?

i spose somebody could make the argument, now that our glorious white civilization is threatened by oil shortages and climate change, that the so- called primitive people were right all along.

i spose the argument could be made that the most rapacious and aggressive of us were driven, by our neighbors, out of africa so long ago that we no longer have the need for dark skin.

i spose the argument can be made that, thanks to the white man's cleverness, billions of people will have to die before the human population approaches sustainable levels.

but i spose we can kill off the colored people of the world to make room for ourselves.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   23:45:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#357. To: Original_Intent (#355)

It was the "Queen of Hearts" and it was "EIGHT impossible things" before breakfast.

huh!

i shortchanged JT.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   23:46:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#358. To: HOUNDDAWG, Angle (#353)

Bingo! These spineless white wimps have enabled the culture of poverty by making excuses for crime, laziness and drug addiction. I bet Angle has never been forced out of his neighborhood because it 'changed' and whites became unsafe. He, and his band of useful idiots, should go on a road trip to West Philly, Bushwick Brooklyn and finish up in Mayor Ray Nagin Chocolate City. Maybe they can stretch their legs and get to meet the locals and report back to us on the needs and wants of the under class. I won't hold my breath. The gutless ones like the safety of their white enclaves, where they can preach ethics to we, the uninformed.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-23   23:46:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#359. To: wadosy (#354)

would you like to explain the popularity of video games based on killing things wholesale?

They were seeded into the culture. Most of the "kill, kill, kill" games were originally developed by the military because it is unnatural for most people to kill another human. The military set out to solve the problem of soldiers who would not "kill the enemy". My father was a Marine in WWII and saw some of the worst fighting and killing and I guarantee you the internal scars were much worse than the ones that earned him 3 Purple Hearts.

The computer games were developed and released into the culture to make American youth more willing to kill as cannon fodder.

Madison Avenue is only the visible influence - the same techniques and tactics are at play in conducting social control, perception management, and enslavement of all us "useless eaters".

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-23   23:49:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#360. To: Original_Intent (#359)

They were seeded into the culture. Most of the "kill, kill, kill" games were originally developed by the military because it is unnatural for most people to kill another human.

so you're agreeing that american culture is violent.

good enough.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   23:51:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#361. To: HOUNDDAWG (#353)

"Defensive racism" is defined as "the desire to secure a future for our children" and in our own country the mere utterance of that phrase is some kind of "crime" to those who absolutely demand that whites be held down and carefully watched.

Well, fuck them.

we ain't cringing at the charge of "racist" anymore.

I'm not going to apologize for being white or having white children, and, if they mean to have a war then let it begin here.

In the mean time why don't you do a little research and try to find a black/colored abolitionist movement anywhere in the world before whites started it.

And then explain why slavery still exists in dark countries just as it did when slaves were brought here.

And, why aren't you shaming some darkies for that obscene state of affairs?

Why do you seem to prefer browbeating the hard working whites who have elevated (with our tax dollars) American blacks to the healthiest, best educated and wealthiest in the world?

that is a heck of a display of lesser intelligence and consciousness, dawg! well done.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-10-23   23:53:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#362. To: christine (#361) (Edited)

we ain't cringing at the charge of "racist" anymore.

that is a heck of a display of lesser intelligence and consciousness, dawg! well done.

i gots to admit, you're doing your best to stir up the race wars.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   23:57:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#363. To: christine (#361)

...short of going out and shooting a bunch of black people.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   23:58:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#364. To: robnoel (#234) (Edited)

...the BS meter is bouncing red ....sort of like Jews who paint swastika on synagogues

Yep. October Surprise.

Can't say the Militarily Industrial Political complex hasn't done this before.

With excellent resultants - for them.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-10-23   23:59:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#365. To: christine (#361)

seeing as how we're gonna have to exterminate colored people to make room for whites, i guess you're performing a public service, here.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-24   0:00:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#366. To: wadosy, christine (#360)

so you're agreeing that american culture is violent.

How incredibly tiresome - you insist on trying to put words in other people's mouths.

Human Culture is, and has been violent, through the centuries of human history and it is not limited to "American Culture" or "White Culture" or "Black Culture" etc., ...

The common element is irrationality. War is not rational and is generally inspired by a small percentage of the population.

You are engaging in false logic, and you bear all the hallmarks of a professional disinformationist/disruptor.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-24   0:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#367. To: christine (#361)

that is a heck of a display of lesser intelligence and consciousness, dawg! well done.

Thanks, C.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-10-24   0:04:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#368. To: Original_Intent (#366)

You falsely associate the actions of an out of control criminal government with the culture. The two are not an identity - something which you likely know and hence your argument is knowingly false.

The computer games were developed and released into the culture to make American youth more willing to kill as cannon fodder.

make up your mind.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-24   0:06:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#369. To: wadosy (#365)

what the hell are you talking about? who said anything about shooting blacks or exterminating blacks?

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christine  posted on  2008-10-24   0:08:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#370. To: wadosy (#365)

seeing as how we're gonna have to exterminate colored people to make room for whites

What's this "we" shit?? Again, go back to your FBI handlers and tell them you need remedial training in infiltration.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-24   0:11:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#371. To: christine (#361) (Edited)

that is a heck of a display of lesser intelligence and consciousness, dawg! well done.

x2

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-24   0:12:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#372. To: christine (#369) (Edited)

who said anything about shooting blacks or exterminating blacks?

i did.

the atmosphere you seem to encourage in this forum lends itself to stirring up race hate that can be exploited, turned into vigilante action that will justify a declaration of martial law.

all of this has to happen pretty soon, i'd say within a couple generations, maybe much sooner, or the govt will no longer be in control.

at which point we'll see ethnic cleansing in america like we've seen in iraq.

and you've made your contribution.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-24   0:12:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#373. To: tom007, HOUNDDAWG (#367)

tom, i was being facetious. angle made the assertion that the majority of those contributing to this thread are of lesser intelligence and consciousness. i thought DAWG's post was discerning.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-10-24   0:16:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#374. To: wadosy (#372)

all of this has to happen pretty soon, i'd say within a couple generations, maybe much sooner, or I'll be retired from the FBI.

Fixed.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-24   0:19:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#375. To: angle, Jethro Tull (#348)

There's your problem. Statistics do say something and the educated attempt to interpret their correct meaning. Hence my question. If you don't know the answer, it's okay.

Here's your problem, angle. You can't accept facts being facts, reality being reality when those facts and their reality challenge your world of left wing pseudo-intelligentsia who pretend they are breathing rarefied air because they alone are so special and so insightful.

The answer to your question is NO, NOOOO, NOOOOOOO - got it? - class has nothing to do with the stats Jethro presented or otherwise low class whites would also have similar high crime rates. You do know that there are poor whites don't you??... well, perhaps not, there are not too many poor whites hanging out at coffee houses and poetry readings where super duper intellectual leftie whites hang out.

You'd need to visit places like Oklahoma, Kentucky, South Dakota, Missippi, Idaho and the front lines of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars to bump into poor whites.

And furthermore, fyi, Dr. Walter Williams PhD, who certainly meets your criterion of being smart ( and he's black to boot), happens to agree with Jethro's stats being reflective of race not class.

www.frontpagemag.com/Arti...7E-490B-9584-5B239032C95C

"What About Hate Crimes By Blacks?"

www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=5012

"High Murder Rates in Cities with Large Black Populations"

www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=5086

"Hiding Black Interracial Crimes"

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-24   0:21:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#376. To: X-15 (#374)

looks to me like a lot of you cowboys just cant wait for the race wars to start in america.

it's gonna be pretty tough to keep control of the cities, seeing as how your enemies will have grown up in those mean streets...

...although the urban warfare in iraq is giving some pretty good training, i spose.

on the other hand, there are a lot of black guys in iraq getting that same training.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-24   0:23:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#377. To: wadosy (#376)

looks to me like a lot of you cowboys just cant wait for the race wars to start in america.

What an ignorant mean-spirited hateful comment to make. Just because posters disagree with your pro-Obama, pro-leftie views, you resort to mud-slinging? Grow up.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-24   0:29:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#378. To: scrapper2 (#377) (Edited)

What an ignorant mean-spirited hateful comment to make.

is the dominant attitude about race in this forum gonna help damp down tendencies towards race wars, or encourage those tendencies?

any observer would come away with the impression that you are trying to encourage race wars.

that's just how it is.

if you dont want race wars, anybody'd think you'd have sense enough to work against overt racism, instead of egging each other on.

sorry

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-24   0:34:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#379. To: wadosy (#376)

looks to me like a lot of you cowboys just cant wait for the race wars to start in america.

You remember this movie? You know, the one where one intelligent Western white man fucked up the Planet of the Apes?? Hahahahahahaha!!!!!

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-24   0:38:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#380. To: scrapper2 (#377)

see the post above?

i rest my case.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-24   0:39:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#381. To: wadosy (#380)

If somebody didn't throw you some red meat your FBI handlers might fire you for wasting their money. I'm giving you job security....

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-24   0:41:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#382. To: X-15 (#381) (Edited)

I'm giving you job security....

naw.

you're just doing your best to get yourself into a position you've fantasized about.

too bad reality is gonna be much uglier than your fantasies.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-24   0:44:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#383. To: wadosy (#378)

is the dominant attitude about race in this forum gonna help damp down tendencies towards race wars, or encourage those tendencies?

any observer would come away with the impression that you are trying to encourage race wars.

that's just how it is.

if you dont want race wars, anybody'd think you'd have sense enough to work against overt racism, instead of egging each other on.

sorry

What are you on? You are seeing a reality I don't recognize.

For one thing, in case you were not aware of this fact, 4um is a free speech site, not a politically correct high school debate league.

For another thing, this is a long thread and I've not read every single post but one post by Jethro Tull that quoted statistics about black crime - statistics which were verified by a black professor, Dr. Walter Williams - seemed to attract the ire of you and angle. Statistics are not hate speech.

If statistics or free speech trouble your sensibilities, then move on. Don't use a broad brush to paint posters with baseless insults.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-24   0:46:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#384. To: scrapper2 (#383) (Edited)

i didnt challenge the statistics.

they could very well be true.

the problem with free speech is, if you cant defend your position, and someone comes along and blows you out of the water, you're sunk.

for instance, would you like to explain the logic behind cynicom's contention that anyone who doesnt hate blacks hates himself?

so far, nobody's been able to do that, but they've leaped to cynicom's defense.

please feel free to address the problems of logic displayed in cynicom's position.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-24   0:51:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#385. To: wadosy (#372)

the atmosphere you seem to encourage in this forum

the atmosphere i encourage in this forum is freedom of expression. if you can't handle it and you are advocating censorship, then Freedom4um is not the forum for you.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-10-24   0:51:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#386. To: Dakmar, wadosy (#193)

now all we have to do is figure out why you are unable to acknowledge the illogic

Watch it Dak, baby........I think this wadi gal must be pregnant--notice the 'we'............yep.........and I'll bet a dollar to a donut that she's gonna try to claim you're the daddy!

rowdee  posted on  2008-10-24   0:51:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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