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Title: Drudge Headline: SHOCK: MCCAIN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH
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Published: Oct 23, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-10-23 16:14:45 by christine
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#401. To: Original_Intent (#391)
Sorry to let you in on the well known fact that cyni accuses everyone who is not against blacks as being a white guilter.
Ouch! The Department of Justice victimization survey for 2005 has been posted on the DOJ website. To create these reports the DOJ surveys a massive segment of the US population to document crime trends. For years the reports have shown disturbing trends in Black crime, particularly Black on White Crime. The 2005 Report Shows… While Blacks make up 12% of the US population, they commit approximately 50% of all rapes, attempted rapes, and sexual assaults in the United States. Nearly 100% of all Black rape victims are raped by a Black. Over one third of all White rape victims are raped by a Black. Over half of all White rape victims are raped by a non-White in general. Another category dominated by Blacks is “Robbery with Injury.” Blacks committed a full two thirds of all robberies with an injury in cases where the race of the offender is known.
LOL! That struck my funny bone--hard! Thanks for the laugh.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. OK. I see that statistics show blacks to seem to have a higher (MUCH HIGHER) disproportionate percentage to crime and violent crime than other ethnic groups. Should ALL blacks be painted with the same brush?
makes a good argument for DEFENSIVE racism, does it not?
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OK I'll read it.
Please remove the word all from further discussion since nobody I've read (except Os) use it. Now, since you've acknowledge the obvious, would you agree that a white who finds themselves in a ghetto is in a more dangerous place than if they were in a typical white area?
Nope. You are wrong. Cynicom has never made such an allegation about me and I am not "against blacks." I am against SOME blacks, the ones that Chris Rock calls niggas. But not all blacks are niggas. Some black people are good folks--there are both good and bad people in ALL groups. That is the position I have held for most of my life (in fact, the first friend I ever remember having when I was about three years old was a little black boy--and I only thought of him as a friend, not a "black friend").
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. vacuum the house once a week.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Yes. Do you agree that a black is also in a more dangerous place than if they were in a typical white area?
Yes, in some cases, but to a far, far lesser degree. Do you agree that if the kid in Pittsburgh were a black Obama supporter, we'd have another Tawana Brawley matter on our hands? And do you also agree that the MSM failure to mention the matter, despite Obama's campaign expressing sympathy, is censorship by omission?
FYI
I think many see it as a hoax. Yet is there plenty of MSM censorship and propaganda...you bet and none of it to benefit us.
Don't you think that what is being posted on this thread is offensive racism? I'll leave that to you for further contemplation. Certainly, the bigger threat is the goverment and the traitors in it.
Of course. Formality involves getting the thieves involved. No need to encumber a voluntary transaction with such trivialities.
The number of white on black attacks is negligible compared to both black on black attacks and black on white attacks.
My point was a black is safer in a whiter area.
Now the discussion is becoming interesting on a more intellectual and realistic level. Race in America is still a highly charged subject which gets avoided and treated with cliches on both sides of the issue. It is not quite as black and white as the extremes on either end want to paint it. One of the more intriguing, and illuminating, aspects of the debate is to disregard color for a moment and look at what other factors might come in to play. I recall one study and at least one other analysis I've looked at that brought out what I think is the most important factor (and it is not skin color): When you adjust the crime statistics for education level things begin to even out a bit. It is no secret that blacks on average have a lower education level than most whites, and that Asians have a higher education level that most whites. When you look at the crime numbers normed for education level the violent crime rates more closely correlate with education level. Most violent offenders and property crimes are committed by people with less than a High School education and frequently much less. Additionally performance on IQ tests, up to a point, correlate as well with education level. Which stands to reason - people who cannot read well, if at all, and cannot correctly understand the question cannot accurately answer it. (I like citing my father for this one - he was a poor country boy who quit school at the end of the 9th Grade to go to work during the last Depression. When he joined the Marine Corps at 17, during WWII, the test he was given said he had an IQ of 36. This in a man who later went on to become a Master at his Trade and a Flight Instructor on Sea Planes. The test it was later determined relied upon a vocabulary common to Urban Dwellers and thus was biased toward them and away from kids who grew up in any other environment.) Returning to my point - the general education level among poor blacks, based on more than one study, is generally lower than that among the general population of whites, BUT not poor whites. The crime levels among poor blacks and poor whites is actually much closer than the raw numbers suggest. Yes, blacks still have a higher crime rate in general, BUT they also have a much lower education level in general. The crime level among well educated blacks is pretty much the same as among well educated whites - pretty low. Education, literacy, level has a much better predictive value as to the propensity to violent crime. Further, inner-city skools are notorious for the poor quality and environment and have been since the 60's. The curriculum has been dumbed down and degraded, by intent, in all skools but nowhere as much as in the inner city ghettoes. It doesn't help that a poisonous culture has arisen that regards speaking correct English, and doing well in school, as "acting white" and having been given a negative connotation. However, again, looking at the other end of the spectrum Asian culture almost worships education and what do we have? A much lower crime rate. There is a simple solution to most violent crime. Reclaim the skools and install curriculums that actually result in literacy and some higher level of education. Literacy, not color, is a much better predictor of the propensity for crime.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
A fair question to ask would be is one of those the causation of the other or are they both symptoms of some other underlying factor.
some, yes, but my perception is that most is defensive racism and the expressed outrage of the double standard. further, i don't see where Cyni or JT have ever written that they hate blacks or any other race as you keep accusing. Cyni has admitted that he is a racist because he PREFERS his own race and, JT, because of his experiences in Brooklyn, as a youth and as a NYC policeman has valid reasons for his preference. i'm sure you would agree that in today's PC culture, racial preference and the desire to preserve one's race/culture is encouraged and lauded for all races except white.
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I don't know that I agree with that. Any solution imposed by government sounds like more of what got us in this mess to begin with.
excellent post, OI. i enjoyed the story about your father too. 36 IQ? ;)
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A fair question to ask would be is one of those the causation of the other or are they both symptoms of some other underlying factor. Your question is good and valid. Certainly my little essay is not an exhaustive review and I would agree that there are other factors at play, but education does appear, in the numbers I've seen, to be one of the largest. Culture is certainly another, but culture as well is affected by education level. My argument is largely that the sources of the violent crime problem among all groups is not as much a factor of how dark one's suntan is, and the presumption that there is some inherent defect, but that data can be more rationally explored and examined for causes and factors which have little to do with melanin - which is nothing more than a biological adaptation for climate.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
You are incorrect. Go to "Setup" and then to "Content Filters" That way, one need not apply passive-aggressiveness by pretending to be Miss Manners.
"They should rename 'FreeRepublic.com' 'ABunchOfDumbAsses.org'" -- Scott Horton The upside to hyperinflation is that each and every one of us will become millionaires!
When entire generations of people have never lived any other way than through welfare and government largess the motivation to improve ones self and work hard will eventually be extinguished. The old axiom "whatever the government wants more of, they subsidize" applies to poverty just like anything else. There are entire generations of people in this country who have been taught by their parents how to live off of welfare. It seems unreasonable to expect someone who has been taught those values to have the same standards as someone who has worked for what they have.
That successive generations are involved supports the case that the policies have been dysgenic. While it may be unreasonable to blame someone who labors under a genetic disadvantage for their failure to live up to better standards, holding them to those standards is the only way to change the population genetics. Barring, that is, what population geneticists call a "bottleneck."
He pecks a few holes in a tree to see I agree, there is nothing inherently inferior about black skin. What I see as a major factor is the way in which government has been involved in shaping the culture of many black people. If allowed to develop naturally, their cultural would never have developed as it has. The undesirable attitudes and belief systems would have perished in the unforgiving fires of reality. For years, many people have been insulated from the consequences of their actions by government welfare.
Thank you. Yes, IQ of 36 per the Marine Corps test at the time. He also demonstrated astute survival skills - Marine Scout/Sniper (what is today called Special Forces) - 3 Purple Hears, Bronze Star (5 Awards), Legion of Merit, etc., .... That test did leave scars though as he never did really get over having been labeled an imbecile - which he most definitely was not. He was not the only one in that time period who was so, incorrectly, labeled and there were a lot of good kids adversely affected by faulty testing.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Jesus Christ, black culture explains nothing, as it is blacks who practice it! Blacks be dumb, and impulsive, on average, and for mostly genetic reasons.
He pecks a few holes in a tree to see I had to look up the definition of "dysgenic", but I agree. The welfare state has produced ingrained attitudes that are not conducive to orderly society. IMO, this serves as a perfect example of the perverse results of government intervention in society.
I don't know that I agree with that. Any solution imposed by government sounds like more of what got us in this mess to begin with. I am not a big fan of Goobermunt Skools either. When I say reclaim - it means WE have to take responsibility for it and take it back from the the FedGov and the deranged eugenicists/Psychiatrists running the dumbing down program. And it is an intentional program - see Charollote Iserbyt's Deliberate Dumbing Down of America.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
absolutely. that also applies to privileged and spoiled children. when given everything, they value nothing.
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Jesus Christ, black culture explains nothing, as it is blacks who practice it! Blacks be dumb, and impulsive, on average, and for mostly genetic reasons. And your proof of the "genetic theory" is? The answer is that there is none, zero, nada, zilch, squat, etc., .... Genetic links have been asserted and assumed to be true but there is no scientific evidence to support the conclusion. First it is based on a false premise i.e., that "man" is purely a material biologic creature i.e., animated soulless meat. There is no evidence which supports that either. The materialists for all their attempts to prove it cannot.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
When you think about it, isn't all racism "defensive"? Fear and paranoia are defense reactions. Not necessarily appropriate in all circumstances, because they are conditioned deep into the human psyche. They are not reason and should be scrutinized at every occurrence. Not an easy task for those who do not engage in self-examination. This applies no matter what your color.
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Jesus Christ, black culture explains nothing, as it is blacks who practice it! Blacks be dumb, and impulsive, on average, and for mostly genetic reasons. And your proof of the "genetic theory" is? I know I sound like a broken record but think about this; The amount of welfare a person receives is based in some part on how many dependents they have, which creates a perverse motivation to procreate while simultaneously insulating the person from the costs of procreating. As a result, many people with no motivation or work ethic have had many more children than they would otherwise have had while also driving up the price of children for those responsible enough to understand and bear the cost. While I don't believe that people are soul-less, I do believe that the species follows the rules of genetics like everything else with DNA and if you breed for certain characteristics, the traits become evident in the offspring. So after years of government welfare, I can understand why successive generation may become dumbed down.
Well stated and I agree unreservedly. One of the nastiest crimes ever committed against poor Americans, particularly Black and Hispanic, was WELFARE. A man, or woman, gains in self worth by "paying their own way" - when you deprive a person of that you deprive them of their own self worth. "The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I agree up to the point you bring in "genetics". Genetics has become one of those secular religions that "everybody knows" but for which there is little scientific proof. It is stated and asserted to the point people assume it to be true without evidence. I don't fault you for that as it is something that has been implanted heavily into our culture. I would simply ask that you put that to the question as you would any other matter upon which you think deeply. I think the Welfare Culture is just that a learned culture. I know when my father died, unexpectedly, my mother was thrown into turmoil in trying to figure out how to support the family. Welfare, because it was part of her upbringing and culture, was immediately rejected as a solution. However, as you point out we now have several generations that have known no other means of survival. They do what they have been taught is a survival path. Thus you have 16 year olds having babies so they can get their own apartment and a check. They then have more babies to increase the income stream. Further, since getting married would cut the checks out, and the Section 8 Apartment, they eschew marriage as nonsurvival. It is all rational in a perverse way. The kindest thing one could do for poor and black America is to cut the checks and demand that they go to work. Programs could be set up to ease the transition - primarily literacy, but it is a continuing cruelty to perpetuate the current system. This was all devised back in the 30's by such as Carnegie, Rockefeller, Mellon, etc., .... They were all eugenicists, as was the heavily subsidized pig Margaret Sanger - who was the one who came up with the idea of hiring educated blacks to act as Judas Goats, and were in thrall to the notion that by having money they were a genetically superior species. Eugenics is driving a lot of these government programs as is the faulty assumption that race determines worth.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I think I will disagree with this assessment of 'simple' with the idea that reclaiming schools and having better reading skills is that simple answer which ended with 'literacy being a better indicator'. More than what you've written, I would suggest that the breakdown of the (most notably) black family and lack of moral values lead to less parental involvement in education, to imparting moral values (and I don't mean just sexual sorts of values--but things like you work for what you want, or you save for what you want). You don't find 16 year old unwed mommas reading to their little ones or attending PTA or learning about better avenues of parenting, to even insisting on the kids attending school. Without a male figure, they have no one to look up to-- except the local junkie or pimp--to be a moral compass in how to treat women, a job, or other aspects of life. You can have all the fancy schmancy schools with qualified teachers, but if the kid never shows up in class, or never opens a book, she or he is NOT going to do well. If you have parents that constantly take the side of a kid--when the kid is wrong--against "the system", that child is being taught he doesn't have to--that life revolves around him and his wants and needs and desires. Before the Great Society and its damnable welfare crap came along, I don't believe you will find the criminal rates near the out of whack rates they are nowadays. Perhaps JT or someone else has some stats on that......
duckhunter: I agree, there is nothing inherently inferior about black skin. What I see as a major factor is the way in which government has been involved in shaping the culture of many black people. If allowed to develop naturally, their cultural would never have developed as it has. The undesirable attitudes and belief systems would have perished in the unforgiving fires of reality. For years, many people have been insulated from the consequences of their actions by government welfare. I'd agree with both of you that there is nothing inferior about dark skin. And I would also agree that government welfare and affirmative action social engineering programs are destructive to society as a whole. However I would disagree with both of you when you blame government for the behavior and culture of black people. Look at black culture in African nations under self-rule, where presumably they have been allowed to develop "naturally." Africa as a continent would die off in short order either from tribal machete wars or from AIDS if outside intervention did not stop the "natural" melt down. I'm sorry but it's individuals who have ultimate responsibility and accountability for their situation based on choices they make. Blacks' high crime rates are because individual blacks are choosing to become involved in crime, and that's because their culture is one where crime and violence is accepted. And OI why do blacks need special "skools" to help them out of their morass? Poor whites have bad schools and they get on with their lives just fine for the most part. Giving blacks special super duper education is just more gov't social engineering that's bound to fail at the taxpayers' expense. It is the responsibility of blacks to change the negative dynamics of their culture that have taken hold. No special skools, no special Affirmative Action quotas, no super duper outside police force in their midst can change what's destroying their culture. Blacks need to take charge of their community's destiny. As Dr. Walter Williams observes: townhall.com/columnists/W...22/liberal_views,_black_v ictims?page=2 "...During the 1940s and '50s, I grew up in North Philadelphia where many of today's murders occur. It was a time when blacks were much poorer, there was far more racial discrimination, and fewer employment opportunities and other opportunities for upward socioeconomic mobility were available. There was nowhere near the level of crime and wanton destruction that exists today. Behavior accepted today wasn't accepted then by either black adults or policemen..."
Deny, deny, deny... that's all you know. You're simply willfully ignorant. In order to be a liberal, you have to believe that genetic differences cause racial differences in every organ of the human body EXCEPT ONE. In other words, you have to be a retard. I mean, it's not like environmentalists haven't tried to prove their own case -- and failed, horribly, with their own studies proving the opposite. But if you REALLY ARE as pig ignorant as you claim, rather than willfully ignorant or disingenuous, I would direct you to work of Arthur Jensen, Rushton, and Michael Levin's brilliant (and funny!) book Why Race Matters. I notice that you didn't challenge me on the "culture" argument, and we both know why that is. Just as all the market is is a set of options, all "culture" is is a set of behavioral phenotypes. So the statement "black's bad behavior is because of their 'culture'" is the same as "black's bad behavior is due to black behavior". Which is retarded and circular -- unless 'culture' is meant as an emergent property of blacks in numbers. But you won't go there either, because it might mean that Western culture requires a large white majority. Which of course it does.
He pecks a few holes in a tree to see Absolutely. There's one big sticking point and one big confusion for the anti-white race-deniers. First, they tend to highly value intelligence, and so when you say a group is less (or more) intelligent, through the filter of their own values, it sounds to them like a statement of inferiority (or superiority) in some objective sense. Second, they tend confuse genetic with intractable and environmental with tractable. Genes and environment of course interact. The irony of this is that, because the races do differ in important heritable ways, any "environemental" solution that ignores the differences is doomed to failure.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestOriginal_Intent: I don't believe that was Cyni's point. While I am loathe to tell other people what they think - as I interpreted Cyni's point it was more a matter of some White people who feel guilty for being white, and presumably more priveledged, and thus make excuses for minorities who violate civilized standards of behavior excusing under whatever rationale - often to the point of denigrating or rejecting their own group, excusing the behavior regardless of the crime, and thus the term "White Guilters".
#402. To: angle (#401)
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm
#403. To: Critter (#387)
You folks still arguing about negros and hebrews here? lmao!
Lord Acton
#404. To: Jethro Tull (#402)
#405. To: angle (#404)
#406. To: christine (#405)
#407. To: angle (#404)
#408. To: angle, Cynicom (#401)
Sorry to let you in on the well known fact that cyni accuses everyone who is not against blacks as being a white guilter.
Lord Acton
#409. To: christine (#395)
i've had enough of you. bye.
#410. To: Jethro Tull (#407)
would you agree that a white who finds themselves in a ghetto is in a more dangerous place than if they were in a typical white area?
#411. To: angle (#410)
#412. To: All (#404)
"In western New York state nearly 40% of the black, Hispanic and mixed-race households earned less than $15,000 compared with 15% of white households. The life expectancy of African-Americans in the US is about the same as that of people living in China and some states of India, despite the fact that the US is far richer than the other two countries." says a new United Nations report on the urban environment.
#413. To: Jethro Tull (#411)
do you also agree that the MSM failure to mention the matter, despite Obama's campaign expressing sympathy, is censorship by omission?
#414. To: christine (#405)
Defensive racism is contrasted with "offensive racism," which is practiced due to feelings of hatred or superiority towards other races.
#415. To: Original_Intent (#274)
informally of course. :-)
#416. To: angle (#410)
Yes. Do you agree that a black is also in a more dangerous place than if they were in a typical white area?
#417. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#416)
#418. To: angle, christine, dakmar, Jethro Tull, Cynicom, Wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, All (#412)
"In western New York state nearly 40% of the black, Hispanic and mixed-race households earned less than $15,000 compared with 15% of white households. The life expectancy of African-Americans in the US is about the same as that of people living in China and some states of India, despite the fact that the US is far richer than the other two countries." says a new United Nations report on the urban environment.
#419. To: Original_Intent (#418)
When you adjust the crime statistics for education level things begin to even out a bit. It is no secret that blacks on average have a lower education level than most whites, and that Asians have a higher education level that most whites. When you look at the crime numbers normed for education level the violent crime rates more closely correlate with education level. Most violent offenders and property crimes are committed by people with less than a High School education and frequently much less.
#420. To: angle, Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#414)
Don't you think that what is being posted on this thread is offensive racism?
#421. To: Original_Intent (#418)
There is a simple solution to most violent crime. Reclaim the skools and install curriculums that actually result in literacy and some higher level of education. Literacy, not color, is a much better predictor of the propensity for crime.
#422. To: Original_Intent (#418)
#423. To: duckhunter (#419)
When you adjust the crime statistics for education level things begin to even out a bit. It is no secret that blacks on average have a lower education level than most whites, and that Asians have a higher education level that most whites. When you look at the crime numbers normed for education level the violent crime rates more closely correlate with education level. Most violent offenders and property crimes are committed by people with less than a High School education and frequently much less.
#424. To: Cynicom, wadosy (#90)
We do not have bozo...
#425. To: christine (#420)
i'm sure you would agree that in today's PC culture, racial preference and the desire to preserve one's race/culture is encouraged and lauded for all races except white.
#426. To: duckhunter (#425)
When entire generations of people have never lived any other way than through welfare and government largess the motivation to improve ones self and work hard will eventually be extinguished. It seems unreasonable to expect someone who has been taught those values to have the same standards as someone who has worked for what they have.
If a redwood's really red
#427. To: Original_Intent (#423)
My argument is largely that the sources of the violent crime problem among all groups is not as much a factor of how dark one's suntan is, and the presumption that there is some inherent defect, but that data can be more rationally explored and examined for causes and factors which have little to do with melanin - which is nothing more than a biological adaptation for climate.
#428. To: christine (#422)
i enjoyed the story about your father too. 36 IQ?
#429. To: Original_Intent (#423)
Culture is certainly another
If a redwood's really red
#430. To: Tauzero (#426)
That successive generations are involved supports the case that the policies have been dysgenic.
#431. To: duckhunter (#421)
There is a simple solution to most violent crime. Reclaim the skools and install curriculums that actually result in literacy and some higher level of education. Literacy, not color, is a much better predictor of the propensity for crime.
#432. To: duckhunter (#425)
#433. To: Tauzero (#429)
Culture is certainly another
#434. To: christine, wadosy (#221)
have you ever heard of Defensive Racism?
#435. To: Original_Intent, Tauzero (#433)
Culture is certainly another
#436. To: duckhunter (#425)
When entire generations of people have never lived any other way than through welfare and government largess the motivation to improve ones self and work hard will eventually be extinguished. The old axiom "whatever the government wants more of, they subsidize" applies to poverty just like anything else. There are entire generations of people in this country who have been taught by their parents how to live off of welfare. It seems unreasonable to expect someone who has been taught those values to have the same standards as someone who has worked for what they have.
"Life is tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid." ~ John Wayne - in "The Sands of Iwo Jima" (had an Uncle there).
#437. To: duckhunter, christine (#435)
I know I sound like a broken record but think about this; The amount of welfare a person receives is based in some part on how many dependents they have, which creates a perverse motivation to procreate while simultaneously insulating the person from the costs of procreating. As a result, many people with no motivation or work ethic have had many more children than they would otherwise have had while also driving up the price of children for those responsible enough to understand and bear the cost. While I don't believe that people are soul-less, I do believe that the species follows the rules of genetics like everything else with DNA and if you breed for certain characteristics, the traits become evident in the offspring. So after years of government welfare, I can understand why successive generation may become dumbed down.
#438. To: Original_Intent, Jethro Tull (#418)
There is a simple solution to most violent crime. Reclaim the skools and install curriculums that actually result in literacy and some higher level of education. Literacy, not color, is a much better predictor of the propensity for crime.
#439. To: duckhunter, Original_Intent (#427)
(Edited)
OI: My argument is largely that the sources of the violent crime problem among all groups is not as much a factor of how dark one's suntan is, and the presumption that there is some inherent defect, but that data can be more rationally explored and examined for causes and factors which have little to do with melanin - which is nothing more than a biological adaptation for climate.
#440. To: Original_Intent (#433)
The answer is that there is none, zero, nada, zilch, squat, etc.,
If a redwood's really red
#441. To: duckhunter (#435)
While I don't believe that people are soul-less, I do believe that the species follows the rules of genetics like everything else with DNA and if you breed for certain characteristics, the traits become evident in the offspring.
If a redwood's really red
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