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Title: Drudge Headline: SHOCK: MCCAIN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH
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Published: Oct 23, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-10-23 16:14:45 by christine
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#442. To: rowdee (#438)
Dr. Williams agrees with your sentiment rowdee. He provides only anecdotal support though. some cut and past: Last year, among the nation's 10 largest cities, Philadelphia had the highest murder rate with 406 victims. This year could easily top last year's with 240 murders so far. Other cities such as Baltimore, Detroit and Washington, D.C., with large black populations, experience the nation's highest rates of murder and violent crime. This high murder rate is, and has been, predominantly a black problem. According to Bureau of Justice statistics, between 1976 and 2005, blacks, while 13 percent of the population, committed over 52 percent of the nation's homicides and were 46 percent of the homicide victims. Ninety-four percent of black homicide victims had a black person as their murderer. During the 1940s and '50s, I grew up in North Philadelphia where many of today's murders occur. It was a time when blacks were much poorer, there was far more racial discrimination, and fewer employment opportunities and other opportunities for upward socioeconomic mobility were available. There was nowhere near the level of crime and wanton destruction that exists today. Behavior accepted today wasn't accepted then by either black adults or policemen. townhall.com/columnists/W...22/liberal_views,_black_v ictims?page=2
Right you are. Criminal law accepts that it is the person who pulls the trigger who is guilty, but The Rainbow Coalition, Operation Push and other assorted, government funded camps would have us believe it's society's fault, not the individual. Some thanks we taxpayers get from the social tinkerers, eh? For those who believe black crime is the fault of government, is the answer then to withhold welfare in all forms? If yes, would that proposition fly? If not, why not?
I would ask that you question your premises here. First, it helps that culture is an interest and I've read a lot on it and experienced more than one, if you look at tribal cultures anywhere, regardless of color, you will see the same tribal, irrational, reactions. It is the same in the Amazon Basin - just fewer numbers of people as it is a much more dangerous environment. If you come from a tribe only a few miles away and stray into the wrong area you are going to wake up dead. More than one archaeologic expedition has run afoul of this. The Mayas routinely slaughtered entire tribes - either in battle or at their altars. Secondly Africa is a bad example because not just are the cultures primitive but the intercession of European Imperialism disrupted and destroyed those cultures that existed stabily prior to their arrival. Not that I blame everything on "white european culture" as this can be seen to repeat throughout history wherever and whenever a superior culture runs into contact with a less developed one. Look at the slaughter of American and Canadian Indian Tribes - and the Canadians were much worse as their attempts to kill off the indians continued on into the 1960's. Aids, by all appearances was a laboratory created disease - a biologic weapon and it is much more contagious among those of African descent than among those of other genetic lines. That the primitive culture has been used to spread the disease is another matter. Again please examine your premises. I did not say special schools - just adequate ones. Ones that actually educate. The existing ones have been intentionally sabotaged and the virulently poisonous culture that has metastasized in inner city neighborhoods, and in some poor rural areas, denigrates education. This is irrational and self destructive. You betray simply that you have not looked far into the issue and examined the data and instead are operating on assumptions and "everybody knows" data. As Robert Heinlein put it "...if everybody knows then it is almost certain to be wrong by at least 10 to 1". Yes, people ARE responsible for their own condition, but they have to be educated to a level where they can solve their problems. You don't take a toddler out to the road and say "okay you're responsible now - get a job and take care of yourself". They must first be taught how to do that - which requires education and maturity. So, the question then is "why" is the destructive behavior accepted? You have to first determine the correct "why" to solve the problem. The correct "why" is NOT skin color simply by examination - that has been used as an excuse and solution and the problem has not resoved therefore we can conclude that it is not the correct "why" as the problem has not resolved.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I see Fox is now in big and bold print about the lady in Pittsburgh. Yesterday it was in fine print and buried. "Cops Eye 'Inconsistencies' In 'Campaign Attack"
I have a very special southern friend, who writes columns quite often, and in one of the more recent ones he was lamenting for the good old days--days when kids didn't act up in school because they got a paddling there, and worse when they got home; and how you didn't act up down the street cause you knew Mrs. Jones would have called or went to see your parents before you ever trudged home and would catch hell; for the days when the local cop cared enough to tell you where your actions would lead, and even would take your butt down to the police station/office to add a bit more to the 'scare you out of a life of crime' routine; to the days when you didn't have to lock your doors or windows becauase you knew all the neighbors and everyone watched out for each other, etc. Regarding the teaching in school, we just had a couple move up here from Texas--wife was teacher in the DFW area or Houston (I can't remember which), but she worked with 'disadvantaged' students. She said the classroom was unbearable. While trying to give a lesson, the blacks would get up and walk around, toss balls, leave the class, etc., while there would be perhaps 2 - 3 that actually tried to listen adn learn. The others never did homework. When you try to talk to them, they'd tell her they didn't have to listen to her and her 'fancy' talkin; they'd laugh at her..........and it wasn't just her. All the teachers were saying the same thing. This young, educated, formerly liberal woman calls them niggers. She's really sick of it because there is nothing they, the teachers, can do about it. And, of course, its been reported that in NYC, the teachers in some schools sit inside cages to teach so as to avoid getting the crap beat out of them.
Irt is a cultivated culture. I moved out of NYC many years ago when they started putting police in elementary schools, TO PROTECT THE TEACHERS.
The National Education Association's pathetic attempt to remedy the high-school dropout rate is itself an indication of why so schools are failures. The NEA says that because about one-third of all high-school students fail to graduate, let's make it mandatory that students remain in school until they're 21. Why settle on 21 as the magical cutoff point? And if 21 doesn't solve the problem, would the mandatory age be increased to 28 or 30? It's liberal insanity, especially given the 'education' the graduates leave with. Send the kids off to work if they don't like school. If they don't like work, then they're on their own - zero government help.
Well, I know for a fact that traits are passed from parent to offspring, it's why I look like my mother. I don't understand exactly what you are saying.
Lots of different opinion here, but the larger story is the complete media blackout. This, IMHO, is b/c she's white. As I've said from the get go, if she were black, and given the exact same set of circumstances, Pittsburgh would be in flames and the WG'ers would be rendered into quivering bowls of jello.
Most of your irrational bilge is unworthy of reply - I don't swim in the sewer either. As for this logically faulty line all I have to say is that culture is a learned set of attributes. We can observe this in that those of different races raised in different cultures conform to the culture they were raised in. One of my favorite object lessons in this was in a Chow Line at the Base I was stationed at. In front of me by about 3 or 4 people was a nice young black girl who spoke perfect unaccented english who was chiding, but gently, correcting her boyfriend's ebonics and trying to teach him correct english. Whether she realized it or not, and I suspect she did, language matters and people judge you based on your speech and vocabulary. Speech patterns are of course an educational matter and are part of culture. Likely she came from an intact family with educated parents - and had you not been able see her but only hear her you would not known that she was black. It is also interesting to note, as someone commented earlier in the thread, that non-American blacks moving here from other countries and cultures, particularly the Caribbean Basin where blacks are the majority and receive a good education, have earnings roughly equivalent to the average White American. Interesting datum that. I've met a few of them and they have a completely different outlook on the world. As for the rest of your irrational ramblings please to put them where the sun doth not shine.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
In important, but indirect ways. In a situation where government is not involved, environment determines which genes are passed on by favoring the successful. When welfare distorts that process, undesirable traits are more likely to be passed on.
Breaking News A Pittsburgh police commander says a volunteer for the McCain campaign who reported being robbed and attacked near a bank ATM in Bloomfield has confessed to making up the story. Police say charges will be filed. More details to follow. http://kdka.com/
Government is famous for providing perverse motivations.
So sad for you. Police: McCain volunteer changes ATM attack story 1 hour ago PITTSBURGH (AP) — Pittsburgh police say a McCain campaign volunteer who said she was held down by a black man who cut the letter "B" in her face has changed her story. Police spokeswoman Diane Richard says investigators gave the 20-year-old woman a lie-detector test and are "looking at some inconsistencies" in her story. The student, Ashley Todd, of College Station, Texas, initially said a black man robbed her at knifepoint Wednesday night and then cut her cheek after seeing a McCain sticker on her car. Police say bank surveillance footage doesn't show her at an ATM where she says she was attacked. Todd, who is white, now says she was knocked unconscious and doesn't remember being cut. She now says she only discovered the wound later. No arrests have been made.
They can learn much of it. That doesn't mean they can pass it on. One of my favorite object lessons in this was in a Chow Line at the Base I was stationed at. In front of me by about 3 or 4 people was a nice young black girl who spoke perfect unaccented english who was chiding, but gently, correcting her boyfriend's ebonics and trying to teach him correct english. Whether she realized it or not, and I suspect she did, language matters and people judge you based on your speech and vocabulary. Speech patterns are of course an educational matter and are part of culture. Why did she have to correct it in the first place? One of my favorite object lessons in this was hearing black athletes in the United Kingdom speak. Commonalities with black American athlete speech stood out because of the difference in learned accent. Quite amazing, you have to hear it for yourself. It is also interesting to note, as someone commented earlier in the thread, that non-American blacks moving here from other countries and cultures, particularly the Caribbean Basin where blacks are the majority and receive a good education, have earnings roughly equivalent to the average White American. Interesting datum that. I've met a few of them and they have a completely different outlook on the world. This is true; my wife's boss is one of them. They also don't look much like Africans or even African Americans, to hear them tell it. But they are the cream of their crops, so to speak, and you are probably ignorant of the current state of those countries, because you want to be. They can't pass on Western culture either. We shall see how their grandchildren and great grandchildren do, as mean reversion rears its ugly head. I expect it will be similar to France's experience with the grandchildren and great grandchildren of industrious, law-abiding north africans.
He pecks a few holes in a tree to see Police say questions are being raised about attack claim October 24, 2008 13:30 EDT PITTSBURGH (AP) -- Police in Pittsburgh report "inconsistencies" in the story told by a McCain campaign volunteer. The woman had said a black man had robbed her, and had cut a "B" into her cheek after seeing a McCain bumper sticker on her car. Police say she's now been given a polygraph. They also say photos and bank card information from an ATM where Ashley Todd claimed she was robbed do not show her using the machine. Todd is a 20-year-old college student from Texas. She told investigators that she thinks the man noticed her McCain sticker after he robbed her. She says he then punched her and knocked her to the ground, and told her, "You are going to be a Barack supporter." She told police he scratched a backward letter "B" into her face using what she believed was a dull knife. She said she didn't seek medical attention, but instead went to a friend's apartment and called police about 45 minutes later. The report of the attack prompted McCain and Sarah Palin to call Todd and express their concern. The Obama campaign issued a statement wishing her well, and hoping that the attacker would be swiftly brought to justice.
Well, I know for a fact that traits are passed from parent to offspring, it's why I look like my mother. I don't understand exactly what you are saying. And I look like my father - although a lot lighter skin toned from my mother's Germanic blood line. People make the mistake that because physical characteristics are transmitted genetically that such holds true for ALL characteristics. In logic this is known as the fallacy of division i.e., that which holds true for one set holds true for all - when there is no evidence to support it. "(From "The Fallacy Files")Form: The object O has the property P. The universe has existed for fifteen billion years. Therefore one can see the fallacies that arise. Another example of my own devising: John is Redhead Yet another: William is Black. You could manufacture any number of examples to illustrate this fallacy but I think that suffices. The rest of my reasoning delves into the realm of what is the ultimate nature of man? OR How you answer that question has profound affect on how you see other people.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
This person probably didn't grow up in an environment where decisions had no repercussions. Where she was from if a family had too many children they probably went hungry. Which would serve as a huge motivation to not have more kids than you could afford, which kept the lazy and unmotivated from reproducing in favor of the more productive. Your view on genetics just doesn't square with the intelligence I've seen you approach other subjects. Do you not believe that characteristics can be passed from one generation to the next? Dumb people don't give birth to MENSA members as a general rule.
OR Is "man" a duality of Spirit residing in a body? Both. Man is a slave to his DNA as well as to his spirit.
Unlike you and your leftist clique, I have no problem altering my position w/given additional info. Her story very well might be a heaping pile, but then again, since w/do you believe police reports? (Answer: When they comport to your leftist political leanings) And more importantly, do you believe police reports can be altered to achieve a political end? I'd appreciate a simple yes or no to that question.
UPDATE: A Pittsburgh police commander says a volunteer for the McCain campaign who reported being robbed and attacked near a bank ATM in Bloomfield has confessed to making up the story. Police say charges will be filed. More details to follow.
Latest: The attack was a hoax. Maybe I was right about her doing it in a mirror.
I stand corrected in my initial assumption.
I guess.
Sad and so revealing the rhetoric about it all.
You don't think there was pressure on the cops to get her to change her story? I'm sure they gave her a 3d degree usually reserved for murder suspects and then some. After all which is worse, killing, or exposing the messiah's supporters as the thugs they are?
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
translation?
We're engaging in the old nurture vs nature argument in a roundabout way. Is a person a tabula rasa? I personally believe that innate differences can and do exist between individual people and not everyone has the same potential. However, I do not believe that race is a major defining factor in determining those differences. I also don't find it hard to believe that the influence of genetics can be made to have a larger role in defining people through government intervention. One of my favorite examples is HWY 20 here in North Alabama. If you travel down HWY 20 across the norther portion of our state you are traveling right through the middle of General Joe Wheeler's Civil War era cotton plantations. For over a hundred years Joe's family owned slaves that worked those fields. They bred their slaves like cattle, matching the biggest and strongest for generation upon generation. the legacy of that exists today. There are more athletes that come from schools in that small area than most anywhere else in the state. Most big schools know that you don't want to play even the small teams from that part of the state because you are likely to be sent home with a loss. In addition, that very small area produced an athlete that almost everyone in the world is familiar with, Jesse Owens.
As I spoke of earlier my father, according to the IQ test the Marine Corps gave him scored 36. Not to brag but when I was tested in the 6th Grade they wanted me to bypass High School and go directly to College. The son of an imbecile scores in the upper 1/10th of the upper 1%. I say this not to toot my own horn - I generally don't talk much about it (except I have used it to annoy a couple of snobs). My point is - as outlined above that it is not simply a matter of genetics (although my old man was a lot brighter than the biased test suggested). My mother believed strongly in education and I was taught to read before I started school and therefore was fast out of the blocks. That as well was a boost that I never lost.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I merely posted the update with no commetary, so who are you to tell me how I took it?
I'd be willing to bet that your father was quite a bit smarter than some government test gave him credit for. Back then I don't think they even knew what a learning disability was, much less understood things like dyslexia. Either way, you only got half of your DNA from him, your mother may have made up the difference.
It is very easy to believe that something like this would be true story. Why? Because attacks like this happen everyday against whites in America by blacks, that's why. This one just made the news, most don't. Now you can take your race card and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
God is always good!
I'm the guy who knows the leftist holes (or should I say trees?) you dwell in.
I'm not arguing that genetics are the ONLY factor, just a contributing one.
The "nurture" side of the argument.
Last night you went on the attack against anyone proposing proceeding with caution regarding this story. Your comments were beyond ugly and although you have a perfect right to your opinions, there was no room for anything other than your hatred of blacks, all blacks. Frankly, it's disturbing to see you rabid like that when you have a degree of intelligence that should guide you to be a better man. We have problems in this world. I just don't see your rhetoric as any kind of solution. With the kind of intelligence you've been gifted with, I think you have a greater responsibility to move beyond your prejudices and contribute to solution rather than perpetrate hatred. That ain't getting anybody anywhere.
Just wait til the disruptions leading to civil war begin ... the trees will be full of squirrels.
There is no honor in bending one's knee to the banking elites that are robbing the children you claim to love of their future. Soon they'll convince those very same children that you deserve to be eliminated ... and they may be right.
b. I did not say special schools - just adequate ones. Ones that actually educate. c. Yes, people ARE responsible for their own condition, but they have to be educated to a level where they can solve their problems. a. My use of Africa as an example was a response to theories about how white government is responsible for all the ills of black culture in America, a government that prohibits black culture from developing naturally. Say what you will about the evils of colonialism in Africa,( and I would agree with you) at least Africans were kept safe from engaging in perpetual tribal wars and their children received a basic reading 'riting 'rithmetic European education. Under self-rule most African nation-states have reverted to tribal conflicts and they live in unsafe cities where crime and promiscuity rule. As for your theory that European Imperilaism destroying African culture, I say in reply - balderdash! European Imperialism took place in India and in the ME - Iran, Iraq - and those cultures are light years ahead of African culture by comparison. Furthermore, under European Imperialism - for all its ills - Africa was a net food exporter. After self-rule was granted, Africa quickly became a net food importer and impoverished. As for your theory that AIDS is a lab engineered disease - OI, you are sounding alot like Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and that association does not become you, a man of uncommon intellect: "The AIDS Conspiracy Handbook: Jeremiah Wright's paranoia, in context" b. With regards to providing adequate schools, how come poor whites have inadequate schools but they don't resort to violent crime to the degree of blacks? It's cultural attitudes to education that needs to be changed and the change must come from within the black community. See rowdee's post about current attitudes of young blacks to education. See rowdee's message #446 - some cut and paste fyi: "...Regarding the teaching in school, we just had a couple move up here from Texas--wife was teacher in the DFW area or Houston (I can't remember which), but she worked with 'disadvantaged' students. She said the classroom was unbearable. While trying to give a lesson, the blacks would get up and walk around, toss balls, leave the class, etc., while there would be perhaps 2 - 3 that actually tried to listen adn learn. The others never did homework. When you try to talk to them, they'd tell her they didn't have to listen to her and her 'fancy' talkin; they'd laugh at her..........and it wasn't just her. All the teachers were saying the same thing. This young, educated, formerly liberal woman calls them niggers. She's really sick of it because there is nothing they, the teachers, can do about it. And, of course, its been reported that in NYC, the teachers in some schools sit inside cages to teach so as to avoid getting the crap beat out of them..." c. See my quotes from Dr. Walter Williams about the 40's and 50's when blacks had far fewer educational opportunities, crime was low. Violence was culturally unacceptable then, proving there is no co-relation between literacy rates and crime rates in black communities. I'd say there is a co-relation between the breakdown of nuclear family values in black culture and high rates of crime. Once again change in destiny must come from within the black community to set itself on a better path per the book "What Elephants Can Teach People".
I'm all in favor of having tech schools that you people can attend. I absolutely do not believe that everyone is 'college material'. Rather than just turn youth loose without any skills, I think getting them trained in some sort of skilled profession would be the way to go. At least they can feed themselves without resorting to theft, etc. And that applies to any color. As I understand it in Russia, young people are given tests to determine 'skillability', areas of interest, etc., and then they headed off into some field of study--whether plumber or doctor. This is from a young man who worked for my brother who is from Russia. He didn't want to be a doctor, and he didn't want to serve in their military either, so he fled. I also believe the feds should stay the hell away out of education (among a good many other areas of our lives). If local societies want to have public schools, so be it. But there has to be parents involved all the way along as far as I'm concerned. I don't have a college degree, but I have a love of reading that I passed on to both my daughters. I have pictures of reading to them when they were just a few months old. They were trying to read the newspaper by the time they were two--because they saw all of us doing it. And always on their wish lists were books, books, books. I realize there are others that may not want any part of society having anything to do with education, and that is a fair discussion.
Ya got a great idea Rowdee. The future may determine serious changes for us that we have no idea about today. I think communal farms could become a big deal.
There is no honor in bending one's knee to the banking elites that are robbing the children you claim to love of their future. Soon they'll convince those very same children that you deserve to be eliminated ... and they may be right.
When you were in school, did your high school have woodshop classes, or auto mechanic classes? Mine did--for the guys. This is why I like the idea of tech school/classes. Even my deceased husband as a teenager went to college where he took apprentice classes in construction--this may have been as a part of 'adult education' or something akin to that. We also had college prep classes for the guys who wanted something else out of life--or their parents did, because parents had to agree with your 'special' classes. There were classes where girls could take several years of cooking, sewing, and general homemaking. As well as the college prep. As well as secretarial and bookkeeping and general office skills. My oldest brother found out he had no gift for auto repair, nor was he a woodworker! So, he went into the military--paratroopers, rangers, and found out he had a knack for our Dad's line of work--stonemasonry. He built a company 'monument' at Ft Campbell, wherein they put a pair of spitshined boots, and the insignias, and some other information about the company. He found his profession in a different way.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestBefore the Great Society and its damnable welfare crap came along, I don't believe you will find the criminal rates near the out of whack rates they are nowadays.
#443. To: scrapper2, all (#439)
I'm sorry but it's individuals who have ultimate responsibility and accountability for their situation based on choices they make.
#444. To: scrapper2 (#439)
However I would disagree with both of you when you blame government for the behavior and culture of black people. Look at black culture in African nations under self-rule, where presumably they have been allowed to develop "naturally." Africa as a continent would die off in short order either from tribal machete wars or from AIDS if outside intervention did not stop the "natural" melt down.
And OI why do blacks need special "skools" to help them out of their morass? Poor whites have bad schools and they get on with their lives just fine for the most part. Giving blacks special super duper education is just more gov't social engineering that's bound to fail at the taxpayers' expense.
I'm sorry but it's individuals who have ultimate responsibility and accountability for their situation based on choices they make. Blacks' high crime rates are because individual blacks are choosing to become involved in crime, and that's because their culture is one where crime and violence is accepted.
#445. To: Jethro Tull, all (#443)
#446. To: scrapper2 (#442)
Behavior accepted today wasn't accepted then by either black adults or policemen.
#447. To: rowdee (#446)
And, of course, its been reported that in NYC, the teachers in some schools sit inside cages to teach so as to avoid getting the crap beat out of them.
#448. To: rowdee, all (#438)
#449. To: Original_Intent (#437)
Genetics has become one of those secular religions that "everybody knows" but for which there is little scientific proof. It is stated and asserted to the point people assume it to be true without evidence.
#450. To: Cynicom (#445)
"Cops Eye 'Inconsistencies' In 'Campaign Attack"
#451. To: Tauzero (#440)
I notice that you didn't challenge me on the "culture" argument, and we both know why that is. Just as all the market is is a set of options, all "culture" is is a set of behavioral phenotypes.
#452. To: Tauzero (#441)
Genes and environment of course interact.
#453. To: Jethro Tull (#450)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#454. To: Original_Intent (#437)
It is all rational in a perverse way.
#455. To: all (#445)
Yesterday it was in fine print and buried.
#456. To: Original_Intent (#451)
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We can observe this in that those of different races raised in different cultures conform to the culture they were raised in.
If a redwood's really red
#457. To: All (#455)
#458. To: duckhunter (#449)
Genetics has become one of those secular religions that "everybody knows" but for which there is little scientific proof. It is stated and asserted to the point people assume it to be true without evidence.
Therefore, all of the parts of O have the property P.
(Where the property P is one which does not distribute from a whole to its parts.)
Example:
The universe is made out of molecules.
Therefore, each of the molecules in the universe has existed for fifteen billion years."
John is a Drunk
Therefore all Redheads are drunks.
William is a Drug Addict.
Therefore all Blacks are Drug Addicts. Is "man" merely a material biologic entity?
Is "man" a duality of Spirit residing in a body?
#459. To: Original_Intent (#451)
One of my favorite object lessons in this was in a Chow Line at the Base I was stationed at. In front of me by about 3 or 4 people was a nice young black girl who spoke perfect unaccented english who was chiding, but gently, correcting her boyfriend's ebonics and trying to teach him correct english. Whether she realized it or not, and I suspect she did, language matters and people judge you based on your speech and vocabulary. Speech patterns are of course an educational matter and are part of culture. Likely she came from an intact family with educated parents - and had you not been able see her but only hear her you would not known that she was black.
#460. To: Original_Intent (#458)
Is "man" merely a material biologic entity?
#461. To: Ferret Mike, angle. all (#453)
#462. To: Jethro Tull (#461)
a heaping pile
#463. To: angle (#457)
#464. To: angle (#462)
#465. To: Jethro Tull (#464)
#466. To: Pinguinite (#463)
Maybe I was right about her doing it in a mirror.
#467. To: angle (#462)
UPDATE:
#468. To: angle (#465)
I guess.
#469. To: Original_Intent (#458)
#470. To: duckhunter (#459)
Your view on genetics just doesn't square with the intelligence I've seen you approach other subjects. Do you not believe that characteristics can be passed from one generation to the next? Dumb people don't give birth to MENSA members as a general rule.
#471. To: Jethro Tull (#461)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#472. To: Original_Intent (#470)
The son of an imbecile scores in the upper 1/10th of the upper 1%.
#473. To: angle (#466)
(Edited)
Sad and so revealing the rhetoric about it all.
#474. To: Ferret Mike (#471)
#475. To: Original_Intent (#470)
My point is - as outlined above that it is not simply a matter of genetics
#476. To: Original_Intent (#470)
My mother believed strongly in education and I was taught to read before I started school and therefore was fast out of the blocks
#477. To: Jethro Tull (#468)
translation?
#478. To: Jethro Tull (#474)
#479. To: Original_Intent, rowdee (#444)
a. if you look at tribal cultures anywhere, regardless of color, you will see the same tribal, irrational, reactions...Aids, by all appearances was a laboratory created disease - a biologic weapon and it is much more contagious among those of African descent than among those of other genetic lines. That the primitive culture has been used to spread the disease is another matter.
#480. To: Jethro Tull (#448)
#481. To: rowdee (#480)
#482. To: noone222 (#481)
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