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Title: Drudge Headline: SHOCK: MCCAIN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH
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Published: Oct 23, 2008
Author: Drudge
Post Date: 2008-10-23 16:14:45 by christine
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Views: 9035
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#465. To: Jethro Tull (#464)
I guess.
Sad and so revealing the rhetoric about it all.
You don't think there was pressure on the cops to get her to change her story? I'm sure they gave her a 3d degree usually reserved for murder suspects and then some. After all which is worse, killing, or exposing the messiah's supporters as the thugs they are?
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
translation?
We're engaging in the old nurture vs nature argument in a roundabout way. Is a person a tabula rasa? I personally believe that innate differences can and do exist between individual people and not everyone has the same potential. However, I do not believe that race is a major defining factor in determining those differences. I also don't find it hard to believe that the influence of genetics can be made to have a larger role in defining people through government intervention. One of my favorite examples is HWY 20 here in North Alabama. If you travel down HWY 20 across the norther portion of our state you are traveling right through the middle of General Joe Wheeler's Civil War era cotton plantations. For over a hundred years Joe's family owned slaves that worked those fields. They bred their slaves like cattle, matching the biggest and strongest for generation upon generation. the legacy of that exists today. There are more athletes that come from schools in that small area than most anywhere else in the state. Most big schools know that you don't want to play even the small teams from that part of the state because you are likely to be sent home with a loss. In addition, that very small area produced an athlete that almost everyone in the world is familiar with, Jesse Owens.
As I spoke of earlier my father, according to the IQ test the Marine Corps gave him scored 36. Not to brag but when I was tested in the 6th Grade they wanted me to bypass High School and go directly to College. The son of an imbecile scores in the upper 1/10th of the upper 1%. I say this not to toot my own horn - I generally don't talk much about it (except I have used it to annoy a couple of snobs). My point is - as outlined above that it is not simply a matter of genetics (although my old man was a lot brighter than the biased test suggested). My mother believed strongly in education and I was taught to read before I started school and therefore was fast out of the blocks. That as well was a boost that I never lost.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I merely posted the update with no commetary, so who are you to tell me how I took it?
I'd be willing to bet that your father was quite a bit smarter than some government test gave him credit for. Back then I don't think they even knew what a learning disability was, much less understood things like dyslexia. Either way, you only got half of your DNA from him, your mother may have made up the difference.
It is very easy to believe that something like this would be true story. Why? Because attacks like this happen everyday against whites in America by blacks, that's why. This one just made the news, most don't. Now you can take your race card and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
God is always good!
I'm the guy who knows the leftist holes (or should I say trees?) you dwell in.
I'm not arguing that genetics are the ONLY factor, just a contributing one.
The "nurture" side of the argument.
Last night you went on the attack against anyone proposing proceeding with caution regarding this story. Your comments were beyond ugly and although you have a perfect right to your opinions, there was no room for anything other than your hatred of blacks, all blacks. Frankly, it's disturbing to see you rabid like that when you have a degree of intelligence that should guide you to be a better man. We have problems in this world. I just don't see your rhetoric as any kind of solution. With the kind of intelligence you've been gifted with, I think you have a greater responsibility to move beyond your prejudices and contribute to solution rather than perpetrate hatred. That ain't getting anybody anywhere.
Just wait til the disruptions leading to civil war begin ... the trees will be full of squirrels.
There is no honor in bending one's knee to the banking elites that are robbing the children you claim to love of their future. Soon they'll convince those very same children that you deserve to be eliminated ... and they may be right.
b. I did not say special schools - just adequate ones. Ones that actually educate. c. Yes, people ARE responsible for their own condition, but they have to be educated to a level where they can solve their problems. a. My use of Africa as an example was a response to theories about how white government is responsible for all the ills of black culture in America, a government that prohibits black culture from developing naturally. Say what you will about the evils of colonialism in Africa,( and I would agree with you) at least Africans were kept safe from engaging in perpetual tribal wars and their children received a basic reading 'riting 'rithmetic European education. Under self-rule most African nation-states have reverted to tribal conflicts and they live in unsafe cities where crime and promiscuity rule. As for your theory that European Imperilaism destroying African culture, I say in reply - balderdash! European Imperialism took place in India and in the ME - Iran, Iraq - and those cultures are light years ahead of African culture by comparison. Furthermore, under European Imperialism - for all its ills - Africa was a net food exporter. After self-rule was granted, Africa quickly became a net food importer and impoverished. As for your theory that AIDS is a lab engineered disease - OI, you are sounding alot like Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and that association does not become you, a man of uncommon intellect: "The AIDS Conspiracy Handbook: Jeremiah Wright's paranoia, in context" b. With regards to providing adequate schools, how come poor whites have inadequate schools but they don't resort to violent crime to the degree of blacks? It's cultural attitudes to education that needs to be changed and the change must come from within the black community. See rowdee's post about current attitudes of young blacks to education. See rowdee's message #446 - some cut and paste fyi: "...Regarding the teaching in school, we just had a couple move up here from Texas--wife was teacher in the DFW area or Houston (I can't remember which), but she worked with 'disadvantaged' students. She said the classroom was unbearable. While trying to give a lesson, the blacks would get up and walk around, toss balls, leave the class, etc., while there would be perhaps 2 - 3 that actually tried to listen adn learn. The others never did homework. When you try to talk to them, they'd tell her they didn't have to listen to her and her 'fancy' talkin; they'd laugh at her..........and it wasn't just her. All the teachers were saying the same thing. This young, educated, formerly liberal woman calls them niggers. She's really sick of it because there is nothing they, the teachers, can do about it. And, of course, its been reported that in NYC, the teachers in some schools sit inside cages to teach so as to avoid getting the crap beat out of them..." c. See my quotes from Dr. Walter Williams about the 40's and 50's when blacks had far fewer educational opportunities, crime was low. Violence was culturally unacceptable then, proving there is no co-relation between literacy rates and crime rates in black communities. I'd say there is a co-relation between the breakdown of nuclear family values in black culture and high rates of crime. Once again change in destiny must come from within the black community to set itself on a better path per the book "What Elephants Can Teach People".
I'm all in favor of having tech schools that you people can attend. I absolutely do not believe that everyone is 'college material'. Rather than just turn youth loose without any skills, I think getting them trained in some sort of skilled profession would be the way to go. At least they can feed themselves without resorting to theft, etc. And that applies to any color. As I understand it in Russia, young people are given tests to determine 'skillability', areas of interest, etc., and then they headed off into some field of study--whether plumber or doctor. This is from a young man who worked for my brother who is from Russia. He didn't want to be a doctor, and he didn't want to serve in their military either, so he fled. I also believe the feds should stay the hell away out of education (among a good many other areas of our lives). If local societies want to have public schools, so be it. But there has to be parents involved all the way along as far as I'm concerned. I don't have a college degree, but I have a love of reading that I passed on to both my daughters. I have pictures of reading to them when they were just a few months old. They were trying to read the newspaper by the time they were two--because they saw all of us doing it. And always on their wish lists were books, books, books. I realize there are others that may not want any part of society having anything to do with education, and that is a fair discussion.
Ya got a great idea Rowdee. The future may determine serious changes for us that we have no idea about today. I think communal farms could become a big deal.
There is no honor in bending one's knee to the banking elites that are robbing the children you claim to love of their future. Soon they'll convince those very same children that you deserve to be eliminated ... and they may be right.
When you were in school, did your high school have woodshop classes, or auto mechanic classes? Mine did--for the guys. This is why I like the idea of tech school/classes. Even my deceased husband as a teenager went to college where he took apprentice classes in construction--this may have been as a part of 'adult education' or something akin to that. We also had college prep classes for the guys who wanted something else out of life--or their parents did, because parents had to agree with your 'special' classes. There were classes where girls could take several years of cooking, sewing, and general homemaking. As well as the college prep. As well as secretarial and bookkeeping and general office skills. My oldest brother found out he had no gift for auto repair, nor was he a woodworker! So, he went into the military--paratroopers, rangers, and found out he had a knack for our Dad's line of work--stonemasonry. He built a company 'monument' at Ft Campbell, wherein they put a pair of spitshined boots, and the insignias, and some other information about the company. He found his profession in a different way.
You really are a dickweed jerko. I asked you yesterday if you thought it was a hoax. I see you are frigging nuts. Why don't you go back to freakerrepublik where you are right at home amongst the rest of the sickos?
So much for the
elitist notion that a degree = education.
" i spose somebody could make the argument, now that our glorious white civilization is threatened by oil shortages and climate change, that the so- called primitive people were right all along" Perhaps, if we assume that "primitive people" made a conscious decision to remain backasswards and they had a choice to do otherwise. Did they? I mean, what would be the logic behind breeding in such numbers that they can't even feed themselves? If they were resourceful enough to choose a destiny then they would have certainly known that accepting the white man's medicine would result in overpopulation unless they also adopted modern agricultural practices to increase food production. "but i spose we can kill off the colored people of the world to make room for ourselves." The indiscriminate use of depleted uranium and the thousands of other chemicals that now poison our groundwater and the oceans will likely doom us all. In the mean time there are shadowy forces at work who would like nothing better than to commit African genocide and pounce on those valuable resources. But, non white non Europeans are amply represented in the ambitious cabals who covet Africa's wealth.
I took Dinosaur shoeing 101-104 ... just kidding ! The High School I attended was probably the largest vocational school in the country at the time. (Arsenal Techical High School.) We had every vocational class imaginable, Electric Trades was the one I chose. After High School I went into pharmaceutical sales for awhile (illicit) and decided to go into the military after a couple of not so pleasant run ins with the local cops. I had been on an Academic program but decided I might be able to use the electric shop training later on. Just never did. My son is a journeyman electrician and they didn't offer it at his High School. I guess you never know ! But, there's no question kids came out of high school a lot more prepared back in the day. A return to some of those values may be a result of the economic disaster we're going to encounter.
There is no honor in bending one's knee to the banking elites that are robbing the children you claim to love of their future. Soon they'll convince those very same children that you deserve to be eliminated ... and they may be right.
It is like having "Turtle's" mirror image. BWAHAHAHA!!!!!
Freepers: hearts full of hate and cowardice, and skulls full, to quote a favorite saying of one of their favorite cowards, of mush.
It's a sad thing to see you rationalize hatred toward people who are a different color. I guess "christian" doesn't really mean loving others and the constitution doesn't really mean equality. It's a sad day when the people who pride themselves on seeing the state of affairs for what they are turn out to be the people who are all for race wars. Sickening. Well, if you fail to see that white people's blood runs in the streets every day from the black crime wave and people like you encourage more of the senseless violence by the "perpetual victim class" among us, then yes, you're against whites. It doesn't matter how whites feel about blacks. They despise and victimize whites at nearly every opportunity regardless of how liberal the victims may have been. And, as the FBI Uniform Crime Report clearly shows, blacks victimize other blacks in such staggering numbers that they are clearly their own worst enemy. It's a pity you don't have any harsh words for them. And, just what kind of man would I be if I allowed some stranger with an unnatural affectation for blacks to influence my judgment? I mean no offense but, a white prison bitch who adores his cellmate and counts the hours until the next violent ass raping could say the same things you say. And, what would he care about my family and the very real threat that young urban blacks present to me and mine? The fact that white people's sensibilities are a low priority for you makes you suspect. And, until we know where you're coming from and why that will continue to be the case. You hurl insults and utter simulated shrieks of outrage and you haven't offered any plausible background or logic for your beliefs. For instance, Ferret Mike has an biracial child whom he dearly loves and certain ignorant comments really hurt him, so, I know where he's coming from. I would feel the same and it's no effort to understand that and him. But, you are hiding something and I think I know why you won't reveal the reasons for your strong feelings on this subject. Until you're prepared to be honest and then defend your true motivations you have no business viciously attacking folks who don't share your sensitivities. You cannot honestly claim that disagreeing with you constitutes a wrong against you, but your harsh rhetoric indicates that you believe just that! Could you please explain how you can feel obviously superior to some whites whose views differ from your own, and why you feel inferior to blacks? Try being totally honest with us and you may be amazed at the understanding we have for your views, or at the very least the sympathy we have for your condition or syndrome.
i would very much like to hear the answers to dawg's questions too as well as a reply to my #420.
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i'm sure you would agree that in today's PC culture, racial preference and the desire to preserve one's race/culture is encouraged and lauded for all races except white. Your post # 420. Again more examples that people's views don't form in a vacuum. Cynicom has stated his views succinctly with no ambiguity, and JT is like hundreds of thousands of police officers who didn't start out suspicious and resentful of blacks. But, cops quickly learn that if they say "Sir" to blacks then they're considered chumps, and that street blacks won't do a damn thing the police "ask" them to do-they have to be forced into compliance with every command from a white police officer. We can thank American blacks for command presence and machismo instead of polite behavior from the police. And, this honesty from Cyni and JT further underscores the likelihood that angle hasn't told us what motivates his seemingly blind, inexplicable hatred of whites who don't worship at his Elevate-The-African shrine. Why does he insist on hiding under a bridge and lobbing stones from a place of concealment? Of course if angle is biracial I can understand a reluctance to say so. We have some folks who would pounce on him and never let up, and G_d forbid that he's the target of ignorant comments from folks with strong views equal to his own on this divisive issue. *police officer* "Put down the cell phone and exit the vehicle or I will TASE you!" *ignorant black* "Nu uh, you don't be telling mee dat I can't be calling my sista!" *screams, howling,* "HEEEEELLP, da police done TASED my stoopid black ass!AHHHHHHHH!" But, on a lighter note, let's think of something beautiful and well worth fighting to protect!
Because he's a troll?? Sorry, you left that one wide open ;-)
Because he's a troll?? Sorry, you left that one wide open ;-) It's only on this issue that he goes so far into left field that I don't recognize him. I believe he has his reasons and that he doesn't dare share them with everyone. Let's face it, there are folks here who'll call an amputee "Stumpie" at the first sign of a disagreement. I mean, I wouldn't share my big secret with everyone here. (if I had one!)
OMFG! OMFG! OMFFFG! OMFFFFFFFG! You banned someone? OMFG!!!!! :)
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. yes, i did. ;)
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Who's next? He didn't see it coming!
He's right you know. Racism is debunked and as worthless as any other criminal behavior. So, this is a free speech forum? Just not his speech, right? You are way wrong in allowing haters and baiters in, and banning this chap. What was the matter? was he getting uncomfortably close to the truth? And did you think I would be too gun shy to give you my two cents worth on this? And in telling you you are being hypocritical here?
I think turtle should be banned.
I agree. I'm sorry, angle, I shouldn't have called you a troll, it was just too easy a jab to pass up ;-)
Racism is criminal behaviour, bunky?
Nah, banning for tempermental reasons is what Sally does, at least that the only person outside of the Free Republic I am most familiar with as someone that does this. Turtle should not be banned.
I am 100 percent convinced it is.
You're also convinced rocks, trees and weeds are worthy of idolization, which would make you a basic loon.
I agree. I'm sorry, angle, I shouldn't have called you a troll, it was just too easy a jab to pass up ;-) I knew you were just joshing, BTW. Sawwy about getting serious on you but I really am trying to avoid unnecessary roughness with angle. We get along pretty well I regarded him as a friendly, and I'm a teenie bit disappointed at the moment.
Mike... Free speech does not allow you or anyone else to abuse others, even with free speech of language. I refer to the vulgar language of this departed person as well as your self. If you re read the thread, all I asked from the departed was to omit his vulgar use of his language here. Without a little personal discipline, this forum would degenerate into the gutter like many others that you and I have populated. Vulgar language coupled with attack tactics trying to inflame a 4um has no place here nor any forum that considers itself responsible and respectful.
i'll say the same to you as i said to wadosy. the atmosphere i encourage in this forum is freedom of expression. if you can't handle it and you are advocating censorship, then Freedom4um is not the forum for you.
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#466. To: Pinguinite (#463)
Maybe I was right about her doing it in a mirror.
#467. To: angle (#462)
UPDATE:
#468. To: angle (#465)
I guess.
#469. To: Original_Intent (#458)
#470. To: duckhunter (#459)
Your view on genetics just doesn't square with the intelligence I've seen you approach other subjects. Do you not believe that characteristics can be passed from one generation to the next? Dumb people don't give birth to MENSA members as a general rule.
#471. To: Jethro Tull (#461)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#472. To: Original_Intent (#470)
The son of an imbecile scores in the upper 1/10th of the upper 1%.
#473. To: angle (#466)
(Edited)
Sad and so revealing the rhetoric about it all.
#474. To: Ferret Mike (#471)
#475. To: Original_Intent (#470)
My point is - as outlined above that it is not simply a matter of genetics
#476. To: Original_Intent (#470)
My mother believed strongly in education and I was taught to read before I started school and therefore was fast out of the blocks
#477. To: Jethro Tull (#468)
translation?
#478. To: Jethro Tull (#474)
#479. To: Original_Intent, rowdee (#444)
a. if you look at tribal cultures anywhere, regardless of color, you will see the same tribal, irrational, reactions...Aids, by all appearances was a laboratory created disease - a biologic weapon and it is much more contagious among those of African descent than among those of other genetic lines. That the primitive culture has been used to spread the disease is another matter.
#480. To: Jethro Tull (#448)
#481. To: rowdee (#480)
#482. To: noone222 (#481)
#483. To: Flintlock (#467)
You don't think there was pressure on the cops to get her to change her story?
#484. To: rowdee (#480)
I don't have a college degree, but I have a love of reading
that I passed on to both my daughters. I have pictures of reading to them when
they were just a few months old. They were trying to read the newspaper by the
time they were two--because they saw all of us doing it. And always on their
wish lists were books, books, books.
#485. To: wadosy (#356)
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#486. To: rowdee (#482)
When you were in school, did your high school have woodshop classes, or auto mechanic classes?
#487. To: Original_Intent (#259)
You are such a delightful mix of disinformation and misconceptions that it is a pleasure to read your posts. Not many people in the possession of so many ill informed and paradoxical positions has the guts to post here.
#488. To: angle, Jethro Tull, christine, Ferret Mike (#400)
(Edited)
I take issue with the anti black rhetoric on this thread liking blacks to monkeys and referring to blacks as niggers and now I'm against whites? In your small mind perhaps.
#489. To: angle, HOUNDDAWG (#488)
#490. To: christine, angle, Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#420)
some, yes, but my perception is that most is defensive racism and the expressed outrage of the double standard. further, i don't see where Cyni or JT have ever written that they hate blacks or any other race as you keep accusing. Cyni has admitted that he is a racist because he PREFERS his own race and, JT, because of his experiences in Brooklyn, as a youth and as a NYC policeman has valid reasons for his preference.
#491. To: HOUNDDAWG (#490)
Why does he insist on hiding under a bridge and lobbing stones from a place of concealment?
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#492. To: X-15, christine (#491)
Why does he insist on hiding under a bridge and lobbing stones from a place of concealment?
But, I won't rail about it, either. If I did folks would almost certainly sense the Freudian clues I'm dropping all over the place and they'd know if I was campaigning the way angle obviously is.
#493. To: christine (#395)
you know what? i've had enough of you. bye.
Body Art Cobleskill, NY
#494. To: Critter (#493)
#495. To: christine (#494)
(Edited)
yes, i did. ;)
#496. To: christine (#395)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#497. To: HOUNDDAWG, christine, Turtle (#495)
Who's next?
#498. To: HOUNDDAWG, angle (#492)
I believe he has his reasons and that he doesn't dare share them with everyone.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#499. To: Ferret Mike (#496)
Racism is debunked and as worthless as any other criminal behavior
#500. To: Cynicom (#497)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#501. To: Jethro Tull (#499)
"Racism is criminal behaviour, bunky?"
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#502. To: Ferret Mike (#501)
I am 100 percent convinced it is.
#503. To: X-15, angle, christine (#498)
I believe he has his reasons and that he doesn't dare share them with everyone.
#504. To: Ferret Mike, Christine, all (#496)
And in telling you you are being hypocritical here?
#505. To: Ferret Mike (#496)
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