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#327. To: Jethro Tull (#323)

Statistics...

Most NY State prisons are in upstate NY and populated by persons from New York City. And 85 per cent of the "innocent victims" are........?????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-23   23:02:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#328. To: angle (#321)

The stats speak for themselves.

Read, concentrate, absorb, learn, enjoy!

3rd attempt - what is it about the police report that you find to be 'sensational garbage'?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-23   23:02:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#329. To: Jethro Tull (#323) (Edited)

WG'ers normally disregard stats that don't conform to their racial view

what if the stats are true, and are evidence that blacks are being deliberately crippled by institutionalized racism?

you gots to admit, that's a possibility.

or maybe you dont.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   23:03:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#330. To: angle (#312)

i'm not the one criticizing you, angle. you're the one who's finding fault with what i post and with my free speech policy. and you know what, everyone, whether they admit it or not, is racist to some degree. no one is totally color or culture blind.

Defensible Racism<-- -read this and see if you don't agree.

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christine  posted on  2008-10-23   23:04:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#331. To: Cynicom (#325)

jump the harness

you're correct. that's an expression i've not heard before. what does it mean?

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christine  posted on  2008-10-23   23:06:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#332. To: angle, christine, dakmar (#308)

Your free speech seems to lend itself to crying about being called on posting this sensationalistic garbage and then ignoring the fact that the racists are crawling out of the woodwork. Free speech...ok, but posts like this promote racism.

Maybe you think it's perfectly ok. I think comes from a lesser intelligence or consciousness. I'm sorry to see it here in such a majority.

A. I wouldn't call it a majority.

B. Free speech is just that free speech. Protecting the speech of those with whom we violently disagree is necessary for their to be truly free speech.

Frankly I look at it and note it as the irrationality that it is and comment where I see necessary.

However, having it out in the open also makes it easier to combat where it occurs, BUT I think most thinking adults have gained enough knowledge to recognize, even when they speak wrongly, that racism and bigotry are false idols.

As well people identify with those groups to whom they feel members and tend to oppose or remain neutral on those they don't.

It is always acceptable to root for the "Home Team" and most do - whatever that "Home Team" might be. Catcalls at the other side of a debate can be acceptable, and must be allowed for open debate, if they remain civil - however ill-founded they might be.

Vituperation achieves nothing, not that I can't be snotty, but I always grant people the right to their own opinions even when I disagree and think them ignoramuses.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-23   23:06:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#333. To: christine (#330) (Edited)

totally color or culture blind.

aha!

so we are allowed to not hate black people who conform to white cultural norms.

so we can decline to hate some black people, and still not hate ourselves.

boy! that's a relief.

i was about to waterboard myself.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   23:08:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#334. To: Cynicom, christine (#319) (Edited)

In your twisted view, people who don't automatically hate a person because he's black, jew or wealthy are suffering from a delusion. You're sick and hateful, I'm sorry to conclude. I was mistaken to give you as much credibility as I once did.

Maybe you and your gang will run off people who don't think like you. Then looky...you get to run your own forum without having to do any of the work and christine ever knew what hit her.

Then you and your likeminded people can crow about how bad everything is with no solutions and you won't get any disagreement. Hate black, hate hispanic, hate jew and nobody says boo - perfect "free speech". Kinda like FR, but there's no Jim Robinson to shoulder the blame.

I think people can do much much better than that.

angle  posted on  2008-10-23   23:09:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#335. To: christine (#331)

Draft horses, all legs inside the harness, when they "jump the harness" they get one hind leg outside the harness and that is a bummer. Everything comes to a halt, with much swearing etc etc.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-23   23:10:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#336. To: wadosy (#329) (Edited)

institutionalized racism?

Negros your age could make such a case. The saggy pant young mutts who mug white girls in American cities can't make that claim.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-23   23:10:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#337. To: wadosy (#313)

you might throw in there, also, the work of the advertising agencies.

I have at times - just not this time, but I do agree.

we have to assume that commericals have two aims: first, disable the centers of critical thought and logic, and second, drive straight into the part of the brain where our basic instincts lie.

That is basically what is occurring. I don't agree with the materialist view that we are purely creatures of chemical reactions and meat but that is another debate.

Are you familiar with the work of Edward Bernays?

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-23   23:12:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#338. To: Jethro Tull (#328)

The stats speak for themselves.

Do they. You didn't answer my question.

angle  posted on  2008-10-23   23:12:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#339. To: Jethro Tull (#336)

The saggy pant young mutts who mug white girls in American cities can't make that claim.

i can make any claim i want, especially in view of the need for a market for the CIA's drugs, which are a large part of the black underclass' problem.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   23:13:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#340. To: Original_Intent (#337)

Edward Bernays

yes.

now then, do you want to admit that a huge majority of the american population, white, black, or whatever, have been subjected to enough television to render them incapable of logical thought?

are you willing to admit that those people will be more susceptible to crackpot white racist theories that say "any white person that does not hate blacks hates themselves"?

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   23:16:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#341. To: wadosy, christine (#333) (Edited)

aha!

so we are allowed to not hate black people who conform to white cultural norms.

so we can decline to hate some black people, and still not hate ourselves.

boy! that's a relief.

i was about to waterboard myself.

The society is defined by its common culture which is neither white nor black. However, where that culture has norms established - such as the golden rule, standards of dress and conduct and one defines one's self by the recognition of those standards.

What generates unity and cohesion in a culture is the recognition of those norms. One can still have one's own sub-culture within a larger culture but one ignores the common norms at one's own peril and detriment.

i was about to waterboard myself.

Whatever trips your trigger.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-23   23:16:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#342. To: christine (#315)

that the majority of contributors to this discussion are of lesser intelligence or consciousness.

You're perfectly entitled to think what you wish. Blantant racism says much more about the racist than it does about the observer. Arrogant is something I don't really tend towards.

angle  posted on  2008-10-23   23:17:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#343. To: angle (#338)

Stats are stats. Please look at them carefully and tell me/us what they say. Maybe that's your problem? Simple comprehension?

Thanks.

4th request: What makes the kids report sensational?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-23   23:18:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#344. To: Original_Intent (#341)

the golden rule

ah.

our heroic white culture has been so good at demonstrating their belief in the golden rule, especially in places like vietnam, afghanistan and iraq.

...not to mention, palestine.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   23:20:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#345. To: wadosy (#339)

Swell, have a good evening, Rain Man.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-23   23:20:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#346. To: Jethro Tull (#345)

Swell, have a good evening, Rain Man.

JT is the red queen, able to believe six impossible things before breakfast...

including white american culture's demonstrated adherence to the golden rule (subject to override by the rule of "might makes right")

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   23:23:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#347. To: wadosy, Cynicom (#340)

Edward Bernays

yes.

now then, do you want to admit that a huge majority of the american population, white, black, or whatever, have been subjected to enough television to render them incapable of logical thought?

are you willing to admit that those people will be more susceptible to crackpot white racist theories that say "any white person that does not hate blacks hates themselves"?

now then, do you want to admit that a huge majority of the american population, white, black, or whatever, have been subjected to enough television to render them incapable of logical thought?

I have argued as much repeatedly. I stopped watching television years ago now. My total TV viewing in a typical year is less than 20 hours (except in a good college Bowl Season).

are you willing to admit that those people will be more susceptible to crackpot white racist theories that say "any white person that does not hate blacks hates themselves"?

I don't believe that was Cyni's point. While I am loathe to tell other people what they think - as I interpreted Cyni's point it was more a matter of some White people who feel guilty for being white, and presumably more priveledged, and thus make excuses for minorities who violate civilized standards of behavior excusing under whatever rationale - often to the point of denigrating or rejecting their own group, excusing the behavior regardless of the crime, and thus the term "White Guilters".

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-23   23:24:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#348. To: Jethro Tull (#343)

Stats are stats.

There's your problem. Statistics do say something and the educated attempt to interpret their correct meaning. Hence my question. If you don't know the answer, it's okay.

As far as why I labeled the story as sensationalistic garbage, I refer you to Michelle Malkin. I think she is someone with whom you may relate:

michellemalkin.com/2008/1...in-volunteers-mutilation- story-smells-awfully-weird/

angle  posted on  2008-10-23   23:24:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#349. To: Original_Intent (#347)

I don't believe that was Cyni's point.

so maybe you could intercede with cynicom for me, huh?

it would be ever so much nicer if he could desist from saying i hate myself because i dont hate blacks...

...dont you think?

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   23:27:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#350. To: angle (#348)

So basically the kids story doesn't fit your racial template, so you blow it off. Same with raw crime statistics, they don't fit your racial profile, so you disregard them. Very, very open minded of you.....

I'm glad you're on the other side of the fight, Mr. Angle.

We have enough 'tards on ours as it is.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-23   23:28:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#351. To: Jethro Tull (#350)

So basically the kids story doesn't fit your racial template, so you blow it off.

Yeah, that must be it.

angle  posted on  2008-10-23   23:29:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#352. To: wadosy (#344)

the golden rule

ah.

our heroic white culture has been so good at demonstrating their belief in the golden rule, especially in places like vietnam, afghanistan and iraq.

...not to mention, palestine.

Now you resort to common logical fallacies. Yawn.

Quoting Out of Context

our heroic white culture has been so good at demonstrating their belief in the golden rule, especially in places like vietnam, afghanistan and iraq.

You falsely associate the actions of an out of control criminal government with the culture. The two are not an identity - something which you likely know and hence your argument is knowingly false.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-23   23:32:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#353. To: angle, Jethro Tull, christine (#321)

Are these results a function of color or class?

Who cares?

We need to do one study on the effects of forced bussing on whites for instance.

Bussing (to achieve artificial racial balances) has devastated public education in America and blacks are still underachieving losers, and here you are asking for more breast beating sorrow about the conditions under which poor downtrodden blacks labor?

And, BTW, it's only American born blacks who "suffer" these crushing effects of "racism". Caribbean blacks have incomes roughly equal to whites while American blacks just can't seem to find that ladder of opportunity.

It seems that too many blacks have embraced the status of social cripples and intended to milk it for all its worth.

And you seem all too happy to assist in that white guilt campaign.

"Defensive racism" is defined as "the desire to secure a future for our children" and in our own country the mere utterance of that phrase is some kind of "crime" to those who absolutely demand that whites be held down and carefully watched.

Well, fuck them.

we ain't cringing at the charge of "racist" anymore.

I'm not going to apologize for being white or having white children, and, if they mean to have a war then let it begin here.

In the mean time why don't you do a little research and try to find a black/colored abolitionist movement anywhere in the world before whites started it.

And then explain why slavery still exists in dark countries just as it did when slaves were brought here.

And, why aren't you shaming some darkies for that obscene state of affairs?

Why do you seem to prefer browbeating the hard working whites who have elevated (with our tax dollars) American blacks to the healthiest, best educated and wealthiest in the world?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-10-23   23:34:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#354. To: Original_Intent (#352) (Edited)

You falsely associate the actions of an out of control criminal government with the culture.

dont we have an "all-volunteer" army? where did those volunteers come from?

what's up with that?

would you like to speculate on how recruiters' performance will improve once the full effects of wall street looters make themselves apparent?

would you like to explain the popularity of video games based on killing things wholesale?

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   23:35:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#355. To: wadosy (#346)

Swell, have a good evening, Rain Man.

JT is the red queen, able to believe six impossible things before breakfast...

It was the "Queen of Hearts" and it was "EIGHT impossible things" before breakfast.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-23   23:42:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#356. To: HOUNDDAWG (#353) (Edited)

Why do you seem to prefer browbeating the hard working whites who have elevated (with our tax dollars) American blacks to the healthiest, best educated and wealthiest in the world?

i spose somebody could make the argument, now that our glorious white civilization is threatened by oil shortages and climate change, that the so- called primitive people were right all along.

i spose the argument could be made that the most rapacious and aggressive of us were driven, by our neighbors, out of africa so long ago that we no longer have the need for dark skin.

i spose the argument can be made that, thanks to the white man's cleverness, billions of people will have to die before the human population approaches sustainable levels.

but i spose we can kill off the colored people of the world to make room for ourselves.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   23:45:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#357. To: Original_Intent (#355)

It was the "Queen of Hearts" and it was "EIGHT impossible things" before breakfast.

huh!

i shortchanged JT.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   23:46:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#358. To: HOUNDDAWG, Angle (#353)

Bingo! These spineless white wimps have enabled the culture of poverty by making excuses for crime, laziness and drug addiction. I bet Angle has never been forced out of his neighborhood because it 'changed' and whites became unsafe. He, and his band of useful idiots, should go on a road trip to West Philly, Bushwick Brooklyn and finish up in Mayor Ray Nagin Chocolate City. Maybe they can stretch their legs and get to meet the locals and report back to us on the needs and wants of the under class. I won't hold my breath. The gutless ones like the safety of their white enclaves, where they can preach ethics to we, the uninformed.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-23   23:46:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#359. To: wadosy (#354)

would you like to explain the popularity of video games based on killing things wholesale?

They were seeded into the culture. Most of the "kill, kill, kill" games were originally developed by the military because it is unnatural for most people to kill another human. The military set out to solve the problem of soldiers who would not "kill the enemy". My father was a Marine in WWII and saw some of the worst fighting and killing and I guarantee you the internal scars were much worse than the ones that earned him 3 Purple Hearts.

The computer games were developed and released into the culture to make American youth more willing to kill as cannon fodder.

Madison Avenue is only the visible influence - the same techniques and tactics are at play in conducting social control, perception management, and enslavement of all us "useless eaters".

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-23   23:49:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#360. To: Original_Intent (#359)

They were seeded into the culture. Most of the "kill, kill, kill" games were originally developed by the military because it is unnatural for most people to kill another human.

so you're agreeing that american culture is violent.

good enough.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   23:51:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#361. To: HOUNDDAWG (#353)

"Defensive racism" is defined as "the desire to secure a future for our children" and in our own country the mere utterance of that phrase is some kind of "crime" to those who absolutely demand that whites be held down and carefully watched.

Well, fuck them.

we ain't cringing at the charge of "racist" anymore.

I'm not going to apologize for being white or having white children, and, if they mean to have a war then let it begin here.

In the mean time why don't you do a little research and try to find a black/colored abolitionist movement anywhere in the world before whites started it.

And then explain why slavery still exists in dark countries just as it did when slaves were brought here.

And, why aren't you shaming some darkies for that obscene state of affairs?

Why do you seem to prefer browbeating the hard working whites who have elevated (with our tax dollars) American blacks to the healthiest, best educated and wealthiest in the world?

that is a heck of a display of lesser intelligence and consciousness, dawg! well done.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-10-23   23:53:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#362. To: christine (#361) (Edited)

we ain't cringing at the charge of "racist" anymore.

that is a heck of a display of lesser intelligence and consciousness, dawg! well done.

i gots to admit, you're doing your best to stir up the race wars.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   23:57:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#363. To: christine (#361)

...short of going out and shooting a bunch of black people.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   23:58:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#364. To: robnoel (#234) (Edited)

...the BS meter is bouncing red ....sort of like Jews who paint swastika on synagogues

Yep. October Surprise.

Can't say the Militarily Industrial Political complex hasn't done this before.

With excellent resultants - for them.

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tom007  posted on  2008-10-23   23:59:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#365. To: christine (#361)

seeing as how we're gonna have to exterminate colored people to make room for whites, i guess you're performing a public service, here.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-24   0:00:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#366. To: wadosy, christine (#360)

so you're agreeing that american culture is violent.

How incredibly tiresome - you insist on trying to put words in other people's mouths.

Human Culture is, and has been violent, through the centuries of human history and it is not limited to "American Culture" or "White Culture" or "Black Culture" etc., ...

The common element is irrationality. War is not rational and is generally inspired by a small percentage of the population.

You are engaging in false logic, and you bear all the hallmarks of a professional disinformationist/disruptor.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-24   0:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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