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Title: Drudge Headline: SHOCK: MCCAIN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH
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URL Source: http://www.drudgereport.com/
Published: Oct 23, 2008
Author: Drudge
Post Date: 2008-10-23 16:14:45 by christine
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Views: 8833
Comments: 659
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#384. To: scrapper2 (#383)
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i didnt challenge the statistics. they could very well be true. the problem with free speech is, if you cant defend your position, and someone comes along and blows you out of the water, you're sunk. for instance, would you like to explain the logic behind cynicom's contention that anyone who doesnt hate blacks hates himself? so far, nobody's been able to do that, but they've leaped to cynicom's defense. please feel free to address the problems of logic displayed in cynicom's position.
the atmosphere i encourage in this forum is freedom of expression. if you can't handle it and you are advocating censorship, then Freedom4um is not the forum for you.
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Watch it Dak, baby........I think this wadi gal must be pregnant--notice the 'we'............yep.........and I'll bet a dollar to a donut that she's gonna try to claim you're the daddy!
You folks still arguing about negros and hebrews here? lmao!
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. I'm an equal opportunity hater. I can hate you if you're white, black, brown, red, yellow, if you wear a beanie, or a cross, or a towel around your head.. makes no difference to me...
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. you encourage racism on the forum. there (above) is an example of free speech that you've declined to refute. you have refused to comment on cynicom's argument that anyone who doesnt hate blacks hates himself. i have pointed out to you the dangers of overt racism... if you continue to support overt racism, about the only thing an observer can conclude is that you support racism and its inevitable consequences.
good for you
so far, nobody's been able to do that, but they've leaped to cynicom's defense. please feel free to address the problems of logic displayed in cynicom's position. Did you bother to read message #347 which Original_Intent posted to you wherein he answered your question quite succinctly? I have nothing more to add to OI's post. Quit recycling a question that has been answered 50 posts earlier - it shows bad net manners and especially so when you frame your rehashed question in a hysterical shrieking tone. Here's a cut and paste of OI's #347 answer to you, to make it easy for you - take a deep breath and read it, please: wadosy: are you willing to admit that those people will be more susceptible to crackpot white racist theories that say "any white person that does not hate blacks hates themselves"? Original_Intent: I don't believe that was Cyni's point. While I am loathe to tell other people what they think - as I interpreted Cyni's point it was more a matter of some White people who feel guilty for being white, and presumably more priveledged, and thus make excuses for minorities who violate civilized standards of behavior excusing under whatever rationale - often to the point of denigrating or rejecting their own group, excusing the behavior regardless of the crime, and thus the term "White Guilters".
sorry. cynicom has repeatedly said that i must hate myself if i dont hate blacks.
This is the longest and dumbest thread on the whole internet.
Ahmadinejad in 2008! Oh, I'm sure he noticed it. However, in true disinformationist form he/she/it ignored it because to do so did away with the wedge/disruption question it is using to browbeat the thread with and attempt to create a false sense of racism well in excess of what actually exists.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
you know what? i've had enough of you. bye.
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exactly
Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com
cynicom has repeatedly said that i must hate myself if i dont hate blacks. Sorry back at you. You choose not to acknowledge answers to your questions. Instead you prefer to attack, malign, mis-state, misconstrue because that's your way. You are either a provocateur or you are an hysteric. Either way I'm done with you and so are most other posters. Frankly you are rather trite and boring. Good luck trying to provoke, to incite when no one responds to your posts. One word will best describe your debating future on this political discussion board - "silence." Bye, bye.
"Silence is golden, golden, la ta da da da ..." ;-)
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Who said anything about shooting Jews or exterminating Jews ?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I take issue with the anti black rhetoric on this thread liking blacks to monkeys and referring to blacks as niggers and now I'm against whites? In your small mind perhaps. It's a sad thing to see you rationalize hatred toward people who are a different color. I guess "christian" doesn't really mean loving others and the constitution doesn't really mean equality. It's a sad day when the people who pride themselves on seeing the state of affairs for what they are turn out to be the people who are all for race wars. Sickening.
Sorry to let you in on the well known fact that cyni accuses everyone who is not against blacks as being a white guilter.
Ouch! The Department of Justice victimization survey for 2005 has been posted on the DOJ website. To create these reports the DOJ surveys a massive segment of the US population to document crime trends. For years the reports have shown disturbing trends in Black crime, particularly Black on White Crime. The 2005 Report Shows… While Blacks make up 12% of the US population, they commit approximately 50% of all rapes, attempted rapes, and sexual assaults in the United States. Nearly 100% of all Black rape victims are raped by a Black. Over one third of all White rape victims are raped by a Black. Over half of all White rape victims are raped by a non-White in general. Another category dominated by Blacks is “Robbery with Injury.” Blacks committed a full two thirds of all robberies with an injury in cases where the race of the offender is known.
LOL! That struck my funny bone--hard! Thanks for the laugh.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. OK. I see that statistics show blacks to seem to have a higher (MUCH HIGHER) disproportionate percentage to crime and violent crime than other ethnic groups. Should ALL blacks be painted with the same brush?
makes a good argument for DEFENSIVE racism, does it not?
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OK I'll read it.
Please remove the word all from further discussion since nobody I've read (except Os) use it. Now, since you've acknowledge the obvious, would you agree that a white who finds themselves in a ghetto is in a more dangerous place than if they were in a typical white area?
Nope. You are wrong. Cynicom has never made such an allegation about me and I am not "against blacks." I am against SOME blacks, the ones that Chris Rock calls niggas. But not all blacks are niggas. Some black people are good folks--there are both good and bad people in ALL groups. That is the position I have held for most of my life (in fact, the first friend I ever remember having when I was about three years old was a little black boy--and I only thought of him as a friend, not a "black friend").
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. vacuum the house once a week.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Yes. Do you agree that a black is also in a more dangerous place than if they were in a typical white area?
Yes, in some cases, but to a far, far lesser degree. Do you agree that if the kid in Pittsburgh were a black Obama supporter, we'd have another Tawana Brawley matter on our hands? And do you also agree that the MSM failure to mention the matter, despite Obama's campaign expressing sympathy, is censorship by omission?
FYI
I think many see it as a hoax. Yet is there plenty of MSM censorship and propaganda...you bet and none of it to benefit us.
Don't you think that what is being posted on this thread is offensive racism? I'll leave that to you for further contemplation. Certainly, the bigger threat is the goverment and the traitors in it.
Of course. Formality involves getting the thieves involved. No need to encumber a voluntary transaction with such trivialities.
The number of white on black attacks is negligible compared to both black on black attacks and black on white attacks.
My point was a black is safer in a whiter area.
Now the discussion is becoming interesting on a more intellectual and realistic level. Race in America is still a highly charged subject which gets avoided and treated with cliches on both sides of the issue. It is not quite as black and white as the extremes on either end want to paint it. One of the more intriguing, and illuminating, aspects of the debate is to disregard color for a moment and look at what other factors might come in to play. I recall one study and at least one other analysis I've looked at that brought out what I think is the most important factor (and it is not skin color): When you adjust the crime statistics for education level things begin to even out a bit. It is no secret that blacks on average have a lower education level than most whites, and that Asians have a higher education level that most whites. When you look at the crime numbers normed for education level the violent crime rates more closely correlate with education level. Most violent offenders and property crimes are committed by people with less than a High School education and frequently much less. Additionally performance on IQ tests, up to a point, correlate as well with education level. Which stands to reason - people who cannot read well, if at all, and cannot correctly understand the question cannot accurately answer it. (I like citing my father for this one - he was a poor country boy who quit school at the end of the 9th Grade to go to work during the last Depression. When he joined the Marine Corps at 17, during WWII, the test he was given said he had an IQ of 36. This in a man who later went on to become a Master at his Trade and a Flight Instructor on Sea Planes. The test it was later determined relied upon a vocabulary common to Urban Dwellers and thus was biased toward them and away from kids who grew up in any other environment.) Returning to my point - the general education level among poor blacks, based on more than one study, is generally lower than that among the general population of whites, BUT not poor whites. The crime levels among poor blacks and poor whites is actually much closer than the raw numbers suggest. Yes, blacks still have a higher crime rate in general, BUT they also have a much lower education level in general. The crime level among well educated blacks is pretty much the same as among well educated whites - pretty low. Education, literacy, level has a much better predictive value as to the propensity to violent crime. Further, inner-city skools are notorious for the poor quality and environment and have been since the 60's. The curriculum has been dumbed down and degraded, by intent, in all skools but nowhere as much as in the inner city ghettoes. It doesn't help that a poisonous culture has arisen that regards speaking correct English, and doing well in school, as "acting white" and having been given a negative connotation. However, again, looking at the other end of the spectrum Asian culture almost worships education and what do we have? A much lower crime rate. There is a simple solution to most violent crime. Reclaim the skools and install curriculums that actually result in literacy and some higher level of education. Literacy, not color, is a much better predictor of the propensity for crime.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
A fair question to ask would be is one of those the causation of the other or are they both symptoms of some other underlying factor.
some, yes, but my perception is that most is defensive racism and the expressed outrage of the double standard. further, i don't see where Cyni or JT have ever written that they hate blacks or any other race as you keep accusing. Cyni has admitted that he is a racist because he PREFERS his own race and, JT, because of his experiences in Brooklyn, as a youth and as a NYC policeman has valid reasons for his preference. i'm sure you would agree that in today's PC culture, racial preference and the desire to preserve one's race/culture is encouraged and lauded for all races except white.
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I don't know that I agree with that. Any solution imposed by government sounds like more of what got us in this mess to begin with.
excellent post, OI. i enjoyed the story about your father too. 36 IQ? ;)
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A fair question to ask would be is one of those the causation of the other or are they both symptoms of some other underlying factor. Your question is good and valid. Certainly my little essay is not an exhaustive review and I would agree that there are other factors at play, but education does appear, in the numbers I've seen, to be one of the largest. Culture is certainly another, but culture as well is affected by education level. My argument is largely that the sources of the violent crime problem among all groups is not as much a factor of how dark one's suntan is, and the presumption that there is some inherent defect, but that data can be more rationally explored and examined for causes and factors which have little to do with melanin - which is nothing more than a biological adaptation for climate.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
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#385. To: wadosy (#372)
the atmosphere you seem to encourage in this forum
#386. To: Dakmar, wadosy (#193)
now all we have to do is figure out why you are unable to acknowledge the illogic
#387. To: christine (#385)
Body Art Cobleskill, NY
#388. To: wadosy (#384)
Body Art Cobleskill, NY
#389. To: christine (#385)
the atmosphere i encourage in this forum is freedom of expression. if you can't handle it and you are advocating censorship, then Freedom4um is not the forum for you.
#390. To: Critter (#388)
I'm an equal opportunity hater. I can hate you if you're white, black, brown, red, yellow, if you wear a beanie, or a cross, or a towel around your head.. makes no difference to me...
#391. To: wadosy, Original_Intent, Cynicom, christine (#384)
for instance, would you like to explain the logic behind cynicom's contention that anyone who doesnt hate blacks hates himself?
#392. To: scrapper2 (#391)
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#393. To: wadosy (#392)
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.
#394. To: scrapper2 (#391)
#395. To: wadosy (#389)
#396. To: Original_Intent, scrapper2 (#394)
Oh, I'm sure he noticed it. However, in true disinformationist form he/she/it ignored it because to do so did away with the wedge/disruption question it is using to browbeat the thread with and attempt to create a false sense of racism well in excess of what actually exists.
#397. To: wadosy (#392)
sorry.
#398. To: scrapper2 (#397)
#399. To: Christine, wadosy, All Obama pole crackers (#369)
what the hell are you talking about? who said anything about shooting blacks or exterminating blacks?
#400. To: christine, hounddawg (#361)
Why do you seem to prefer browbeating the hard working whites
#401. To: Original_Intent (#391)
Original_Intent: I don't believe that was Cyni's point. While I am loathe to tell other people what they think - as I interpreted Cyni's point it was more a matter of some White people who feel guilty for being white, and presumably more priveledged, and thus make excuses for minorities who violate civilized standards of behavior excusing under whatever rationale - often to the point of denigrating or rejecting their own group, excusing the behavior regardless of the crime, and thus the term "White Guilters".
#402. To: angle (#401)
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm
#403. To: Critter (#387)
You folks still arguing about negros and hebrews here? lmao!
Lord Acton
#404. To: Jethro Tull (#402)
#405. To: angle (#404)
#406. To: christine (#405)
#407. To: angle (#404)
#408. To: angle, Cynicom (#401)
Sorry to let you in on the well known fact that cyni accuses everyone who is not against blacks as being a white guilter.
Lord Acton
#409. To: christine (#395)
i've had enough of you. bye.
#410. To: Jethro Tull (#407)
would you agree that a white who finds themselves in a ghetto is in a more dangerous place than if they were in a typical white area?
#411. To: angle (#410)
#412. To: All (#404)
"In western New York state nearly 40% of the black, Hispanic and mixed-race households earned less than $15,000 compared with 15% of white households. The life expectancy of African-Americans in the US is about the same as that of people living in China and some states of India, despite the fact that the US is far richer than the other two countries." says a new United Nations report on the urban environment.
#413. To: Jethro Tull (#411)
do you also agree that the MSM failure to mention the matter, despite Obama's campaign expressing sympathy, is censorship by omission?
#414. To: christine (#405)
Defensive racism is contrasted with "offensive racism," which is practiced due to feelings of hatred or superiority towards other races.
#415. To: Original_Intent (#274)
informally of course. :-)
#416. To: angle (#410)
Yes. Do you agree that a black is also in a more dangerous place than if they were in a typical white area?
#417. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#416)
#418. To: angle, christine, dakmar, Jethro Tull, Cynicom, Wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, All (#412)
"In western New York state nearly 40% of the black, Hispanic and mixed-race households earned less than $15,000 compared with 15% of white households. The life expectancy of African-Americans in the US is about the same as that of people living in China and some states of India, despite the fact that the US is far richer than the other two countries." says a new United Nations report on the urban environment.
#419. To: Original_Intent (#418)
When you adjust the crime statistics for education level things begin to even out a bit. It is no secret that blacks on average have a lower education level than most whites, and that Asians have a higher education level that most whites. When you look at the crime numbers normed for education level the violent crime rates more closely correlate with education level. Most violent offenders and property crimes are committed by people with less than a High School education and frequently much less.
#420. To: angle, Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#414)
Don't you think that what is being posted on this thread is offensive racism?
#421. To: Original_Intent (#418)
There is a simple solution to most violent crime. Reclaim the skools and install curriculums that actually result in literacy and some higher level of education. Literacy, not color, is a much better predictor of the propensity for crime.
#422. To: Original_Intent (#418)
#423. To: duckhunter (#419)
When you adjust the crime statistics for education level things begin to even out a bit. It is no secret that blacks on average have a lower education level than most whites, and that Asians have a higher education level that most whites. When you look at the crime numbers normed for education level the violent crime rates more closely correlate with education level. Most violent offenders and property crimes are committed by people with less than a High School education and frequently much less.
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