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Title: Drudge Headline: SHOCK: MCCAIN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH
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Published: Oct 23, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-10-23 16:14:45 by christine
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#426. To: duckhunter (#425)
That successive generations are involved supports the case that the policies have been dysgenic. While it may be unreasonable to blame someone who labors under a genetic disadvantage for their failure to live up to better standards, holding them to those standards is the only way to change the population genetics. Barring, that is, what population geneticists call a "bottleneck."
He pecks a few holes in a tree to see I agree, there is nothing inherently inferior about black skin. What I see as a major factor is the way in which government has been involved in shaping the culture of many black people. If allowed to develop naturally, their cultural would never have developed as it has. The undesirable attitudes and belief systems would have perished in the unforgiving fires of reality. For years, many people have been insulated from the consequences of their actions by government welfare.
Thank you. Yes, IQ of 36 per the Marine Corps test at the time. He also demonstrated astute survival skills - Marine Scout/Sniper (what is today called Special Forces) - 3 Purple Hears, Bronze Star (5 Awards), Legion of Merit, etc., .... That test did leave scars though as he never did really get over having been labeled an imbecile - which he most definitely was not. He was not the only one in that time period who was so, incorrectly, labeled and there were a lot of good kids adversely affected by faulty testing.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Jesus Christ, black culture explains nothing, as it is blacks who practice it! Blacks be dumb, and impulsive, on average, and for mostly genetic reasons.
He pecks a few holes in a tree to see I had to look up the definition of "dysgenic", but I agree. The welfare state has produced ingrained attitudes that are not conducive to orderly society. IMO, this serves as a perfect example of the perverse results of government intervention in society.
I don't know that I agree with that. Any solution imposed by government sounds like more of what got us in this mess to begin with. I am not a big fan of Goobermunt Skools either. When I say reclaim - it means WE have to take responsibility for it and take it back from the the FedGov and the deranged eugenicists/Psychiatrists running the dumbing down program. And it is an intentional program - see Charollote Iserbyt's Deliberate Dumbing Down of America.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
absolutely. that also applies to privileged and spoiled children. when given everything, they value nothing.
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Jesus Christ, black culture explains nothing, as it is blacks who practice it! Blacks be dumb, and impulsive, on average, and for mostly genetic reasons. And your proof of the "genetic theory" is? The answer is that there is none, zero, nada, zilch, squat, etc., .... Genetic links have been asserted and assumed to be true but there is no scientific evidence to support the conclusion. First it is based on a false premise i.e., that "man" is purely a material biologic creature i.e., animated soulless meat. There is no evidence which supports that either. The materialists for all their attempts to prove it cannot.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
When you think about it, isn't all racism "defensive"? Fear and paranoia are defense reactions. Not necessarily appropriate in all circumstances, because they are conditioned deep into the human psyche. They are not reason and should be scrutinized at every occurrence. Not an easy task for those who do not engage in self-examination. This applies no matter what your color.
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Jesus Christ, black culture explains nothing, as it is blacks who practice it! Blacks be dumb, and impulsive, on average, and for mostly genetic reasons. And your proof of the "genetic theory" is? I know I sound like a broken record but think about this; The amount of welfare a person receives is based in some part on how many dependents they have, which creates a perverse motivation to procreate while simultaneously insulating the person from the costs of procreating. As a result, many people with no motivation or work ethic have had many more children than they would otherwise have had while also driving up the price of children for those responsible enough to understand and bear the cost. While I don't believe that people are soul-less, I do believe that the species follows the rules of genetics like everything else with DNA and if you breed for certain characteristics, the traits become evident in the offspring. So after years of government welfare, I can understand why successive generation may become dumbed down.
Well stated and I agree unreservedly. One of the nastiest crimes ever committed against poor Americans, particularly Black and Hispanic, was WELFARE. A man, or woman, gains in self worth by "paying their own way" - when you deprive a person of that you deprive them of their own self worth. "The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I agree up to the point you bring in "genetics". Genetics has become one of those secular religions that "everybody knows" but for which there is little scientific proof. It is stated and asserted to the point people assume it to be true without evidence. I don't fault you for that as it is something that has been implanted heavily into our culture. I would simply ask that you put that to the question as you would any other matter upon which you think deeply. I think the Welfare Culture is just that a learned culture. I know when my father died, unexpectedly, my mother was thrown into turmoil in trying to figure out how to support the family. Welfare, because it was part of her upbringing and culture, was immediately rejected as a solution. However, as you point out we now have several generations that have known no other means of survival. They do what they have been taught is a survival path. Thus you have 16 year olds having babies so they can get their own apartment and a check. They then have more babies to increase the income stream. Further, since getting married would cut the checks out, and the Section 8 Apartment, they eschew marriage as nonsurvival. It is all rational in a perverse way. The kindest thing one could do for poor and black America is to cut the checks and demand that they go to work. Programs could be set up to ease the transition - primarily literacy, but it is a continuing cruelty to perpetuate the current system. This was all devised back in the 30's by such as Carnegie, Rockefeller, Mellon, etc., .... They were all eugenicists, as was the heavily subsidized pig Margaret Sanger - who was the one who came up with the idea of hiring educated blacks to act as Judas Goats, and were in thrall to the notion that by having money they were a genetically superior species. Eugenics is driving a lot of these government programs as is the faulty assumption that race determines worth.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I think I will disagree with this assessment of 'simple' with the idea that reclaiming schools and having better reading skills is that simple answer which ended with 'literacy being a better indicator'. More than what you've written, I would suggest that the breakdown of the (most notably) black family and lack of moral values lead to less parental involvement in education, to imparting moral values (and I don't mean just sexual sorts of values--but things like you work for what you want, or you save for what you want). You don't find 16 year old unwed mommas reading to their little ones or attending PTA or learning about better avenues of parenting, to even insisting on the kids attending school. Without a male figure, they have no one to look up to-- except the local junkie or pimp--to be a moral compass in how to treat women, a job, or other aspects of life. You can have all the fancy schmancy schools with qualified teachers, but if the kid never shows up in class, or never opens a book, she or he is NOT going to do well. If you have parents that constantly take the side of a kid--when the kid is wrong--against "the system", that child is being taught he doesn't have to--that life revolves around him and his wants and needs and desires. Before the Great Society and its damnable welfare crap came along, I don't believe you will find the criminal rates near the out of whack rates they are nowadays. Perhaps JT or someone else has some stats on that......
duckhunter: I agree, there is nothing inherently inferior about black skin. What I see as a major factor is the way in which government has been involved in shaping the culture of many black people. If allowed to develop naturally, their cultural would never have developed as it has. The undesirable attitudes and belief systems would have perished in the unforgiving fires of reality. For years, many people have been insulated from the consequences of their actions by government welfare. I'd agree with both of you that there is nothing inferior about dark skin. And I would also agree that government welfare and affirmative action social engineering programs are destructive to society as a whole. However I would disagree with both of you when you blame government for the behavior and culture of black people. Look at black culture in African nations under self-rule, where presumably they have been allowed to develop "naturally." Africa as a continent would die off in short order either from tribal machete wars or from AIDS if outside intervention did not stop the "natural" melt down. I'm sorry but it's individuals who have ultimate responsibility and accountability for their situation based on choices they make. Blacks' high crime rates are because individual blacks are choosing to become involved in crime, and that's because their culture is one where crime and violence is accepted. And OI why do blacks need special "skools" to help them out of their morass? Poor whites have bad schools and they get on with their lives just fine for the most part. Giving blacks special super duper education is just more gov't social engineering that's bound to fail at the taxpayers' expense. It is the responsibility of blacks to change the negative dynamics of their culture that have taken hold. No special skools, no special Affirmative Action quotas, no super duper outside police force in their midst can change what's destroying their culture. Blacks need to take charge of their community's destiny. As Dr. Walter Williams observes: townhall.com/columnists/W...22/liberal_views,_black_v ictims?page=2 "...During the 1940s and '50s, I grew up in North Philadelphia where many of today's murders occur. It was a time when blacks were much poorer, there was far more racial discrimination, and fewer employment opportunities and other opportunities for upward socioeconomic mobility were available. There was nowhere near the level of crime and wanton destruction that exists today. Behavior accepted today wasn't accepted then by either black adults or policemen..."
Deny, deny, deny... that's all you know. You're simply willfully ignorant. In order to be a liberal, you have to believe that genetic differences cause racial differences in every organ of the human body EXCEPT ONE. In other words, you have to be a retard. I mean, it's not like environmentalists haven't tried to prove their own case -- and failed, horribly, with their own studies proving the opposite. But if you REALLY ARE as pig ignorant as you claim, rather than willfully ignorant or disingenuous, I would direct you to work of Arthur Jensen, Rushton, and Michael Levin's brilliant (and funny!) book Why Race Matters. I notice that you didn't challenge me on the "culture" argument, and we both know why that is. Just as all the market is is a set of options, all "culture" is is a set of behavioral phenotypes. So the statement "black's bad behavior is because of their 'culture'" is the same as "black's bad behavior is due to black behavior". Which is retarded and circular -- unless 'culture' is meant as an emergent property of blacks in numbers. But you won't go there either, because it might mean that Western culture requires a large white majority. Which of course it does.
He pecks a few holes in a tree to see Absolutely. There's one big sticking point and one big confusion for the anti-white race-deniers. First, they tend to highly value intelligence, and so when you say a group is less (or more) intelligent, through the filter of their own values, it sounds to them like a statement of inferiority (or superiority) in some objective sense. Second, they tend confuse genetic with intractable and environmental with tractable. Genes and environment of course interact. The irony of this is that, because the races do differ in important heritable ways, any "environemental" solution that ignores the differences is doomed to failure.
He pecks a few holes in a tree to see Dr. Williams agrees with your sentiment rowdee. He provides only anecdotal support though. some cut and past: Last year, among the nation's 10 largest cities, Philadelphia had the highest murder rate with 406 victims. This year could easily top last year's with 240 murders so far. Other cities such as Baltimore, Detroit and Washington, D.C., with large black populations, experience the nation's highest rates of murder and violent crime. This high murder rate is, and has been, predominantly a black problem. According to Bureau of Justice statistics, between 1976 and 2005, blacks, while 13 percent of the population, committed over 52 percent of the nation's homicides and were 46 percent of the homicide victims. Ninety-four percent of black homicide victims had a black person as their murderer. During the 1940s and '50s, I grew up in North Philadelphia where many of today's murders occur. It was a time when blacks were much poorer, there was far more racial discrimination, and fewer employment opportunities and other opportunities for upward socioeconomic mobility were available. There was nowhere near the level of crime and wanton destruction that exists today. Behavior accepted today wasn't accepted then by either black adults or policemen. townhall.com/columnists/W...22/liberal_views,_black_v ictims?page=2
Right you are. Criminal law accepts that it is the person who pulls the trigger who is guilty, but The Rainbow Coalition, Operation Push and other assorted, government funded camps would have us believe it's society's fault, not the individual. Some thanks we taxpayers get from the social tinkerers, eh? For those who believe black crime is the fault of government, is the answer then to withhold welfare in all forms? If yes, would that proposition fly? If not, why not?
I would ask that you question your premises here. First, it helps that culture is an interest and I've read a lot on it and experienced more than one, if you look at tribal cultures anywhere, regardless of color, you will see the same tribal, irrational, reactions. It is the same in the Amazon Basin - just fewer numbers of people as it is a much more dangerous environment. If you come from a tribe only a few miles away and stray into the wrong area you are going to wake up dead. More than one archaeologic expedition has run afoul of this. The Mayas routinely slaughtered entire tribes - either in battle or at their altars. Secondly Africa is a bad example because not just are the cultures primitive but the intercession of European Imperialism disrupted and destroyed those cultures that existed stabily prior to their arrival. Not that I blame everything on "white european culture" as this can be seen to repeat throughout history wherever and whenever a superior culture runs into contact with a less developed one. Look at the slaughter of American and Canadian Indian Tribes - and the Canadians were much worse as their attempts to kill off the indians continued on into the 1960's. Aids, by all appearances was a laboratory created disease - a biologic weapon and it is much more contagious among those of African descent than among those of other genetic lines. That the primitive culture has been used to spread the disease is another matter. Again please examine your premises. I did not say special schools - just adequate ones. Ones that actually educate. The existing ones have been intentionally sabotaged and the virulently poisonous culture that has metastasized in inner city neighborhoods, and in some poor rural areas, denigrates education. This is irrational and self destructive. You betray simply that you have not looked far into the issue and examined the data and instead are operating on assumptions and "everybody knows" data. As Robert Heinlein put it "...if everybody knows then it is almost certain to be wrong by at least 10 to 1". Yes, people ARE responsible for their own condition, but they have to be educated to a level where they can solve their problems. You don't take a toddler out to the road and say "okay you're responsible now - get a job and take care of yourself". They must first be taught how to do that - which requires education and maturity. So, the question then is "why" is the destructive behavior accepted? You have to first determine the correct "why" to solve the problem. The correct "why" is NOT skin color simply by examination - that has been used as an excuse and solution and the problem has not resoved therefore we can conclude that it is not the correct "why" as the problem has not resolved.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I see Fox is now in big and bold print about the lady in Pittsburgh. Yesterday it was in fine print and buried. "Cops Eye 'Inconsistencies' In 'Campaign Attack"
I have a very special southern friend, who writes columns quite often, and in one of the more recent ones he was lamenting for the good old days--days when kids didn't act up in school because they got a paddling there, and worse when they got home; and how you didn't act up down the street cause you knew Mrs. Jones would have called or went to see your parents before you ever trudged home and would catch hell; for the days when the local cop cared enough to tell you where your actions would lead, and even would take your butt down to the police station/office to add a bit more to the 'scare you out of a life of crime' routine; to the days when you didn't have to lock your doors or windows becauase you knew all the neighbors and everyone watched out for each other, etc. Regarding the teaching in school, we just had a couple move up here from Texas--wife was teacher in the DFW area or Houston (I can't remember which), but she worked with 'disadvantaged' students. She said the classroom was unbearable. While trying to give a lesson, the blacks would get up and walk around, toss balls, leave the class, etc., while there would be perhaps 2 - 3 that actually tried to listen adn learn. The others never did homework. When you try to talk to them, they'd tell her they didn't have to listen to her and her 'fancy' talkin; they'd laugh at her..........and it wasn't just her. All the teachers were saying the same thing. This young, educated, formerly liberal woman calls them niggers. She's really sick of it because there is nothing they, the teachers, can do about it. And, of course, its been reported that in NYC, the teachers in some schools sit inside cages to teach so as to avoid getting the crap beat out of them.
Irt is a cultivated culture. I moved out of NYC many years ago when they started putting police in elementary schools, TO PROTECT THE TEACHERS.
The National Education Association's pathetic attempt to remedy the high-school dropout rate is itself an indication of why so schools are failures. The NEA says that because about one-third of all high-school students fail to graduate, let's make it mandatory that students remain in school until they're 21. Why settle on 21 as the magical cutoff point? And if 21 doesn't solve the problem, would the mandatory age be increased to 28 or 30? It's liberal insanity, especially given the 'education' the graduates leave with. Send the kids off to work if they don't like school. If they don't like work, then they're on their own - zero government help.
Well, I know for a fact that traits are passed from parent to offspring, it's why I look like my mother. I don't understand exactly what you are saying.
Lots of different opinion here, but the larger story is the complete media blackout. This, IMHO, is b/c she's white. As I've said from the get go, if she were black, and given the exact same set of circumstances, Pittsburgh would be in flames and the WG'ers would be rendered into quivering bowls of jello.
Most of your irrational bilge is unworthy of reply - I don't swim in the sewer either. As for this logically faulty line all I have to say is that culture is a learned set of attributes. We can observe this in that those of different races raised in different cultures conform to the culture they were raised in. One of my favorite object lessons in this was in a Chow Line at the Base I was stationed at. In front of me by about 3 or 4 people was a nice young black girl who spoke perfect unaccented english who was chiding, but gently, correcting her boyfriend's ebonics and trying to teach him correct english. Whether she realized it or not, and I suspect she did, language matters and people judge you based on your speech and vocabulary. Speech patterns are of course an educational matter and are part of culture. Likely she came from an intact family with educated parents - and had you not been able see her but only hear her you would not known that she was black. It is also interesting to note, as someone commented earlier in the thread, that non-American blacks moving here from other countries and cultures, particularly the Caribbean Basin where blacks are the majority and receive a good education, have earnings roughly equivalent to the average White American. Interesting datum that. I've met a few of them and they have a completely different outlook on the world. As for the rest of your irrational ramblings please to put them where the sun doth not shine.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
In important, but indirect ways. In a situation where government is not involved, environment determines which genes are passed on by favoring the successful. When welfare distorts that process, undesirable traits are more likely to be passed on.
Breaking News A Pittsburgh police commander says a volunteer for the McCain campaign who reported being robbed and attacked near a bank ATM in Bloomfield has confessed to making up the story. Police say charges will be filed. More details to follow. http://kdka.com/
Government is famous for providing perverse motivations.
So sad for you. Police: McCain volunteer changes ATM attack story 1 hour ago PITTSBURGH (AP) — Pittsburgh police say a McCain campaign volunteer who said she was held down by a black man who cut the letter "B" in her face has changed her story. Police spokeswoman Diane Richard says investigators gave the 20-year-old woman a lie-detector test and are "looking at some inconsistencies" in her story. The student, Ashley Todd, of College Station, Texas, initially said a black man robbed her at knifepoint Wednesday night and then cut her cheek after seeing a McCain sticker on her car. Police say bank surveillance footage doesn't show her at an ATM where she says she was attacked. Todd, who is white, now says she was knocked unconscious and doesn't remember being cut. She now says she only discovered the wound later. No arrests have been made.
They can learn much of it. That doesn't mean they can pass it on. One of my favorite object lessons in this was in a Chow Line at the Base I was stationed at. In front of me by about 3 or 4 people was a nice young black girl who spoke perfect unaccented english who was chiding, but gently, correcting her boyfriend's ebonics and trying to teach him correct english. Whether she realized it or not, and I suspect she did, language matters and people judge you based on your speech and vocabulary. Speech patterns are of course an educational matter and are part of culture. Why did she have to correct it in the first place? One of my favorite object lessons in this was hearing black athletes in the United Kingdom speak. Commonalities with black American athlete speech stood out because of the difference in learned accent. Quite amazing, you have to hear it for yourself. It is also interesting to note, as someone commented earlier in the thread, that non-American blacks moving here from other countries and cultures, particularly the Caribbean Basin where blacks are the majority and receive a good education, have earnings roughly equivalent to the average White American. Interesting datum that. I've met a few of them and they have a completely different outlook on the world. This is true; my wife's boss is one of them. They also don't look much like Africans or even African Americans, to hear them tell it. But they are the cream of their crops, so to speak, and you are probably ignorant of the current state of those countries, because you want to be. They can't pass on Western culture either. We shall see how their grandchildren and great grandchildren do, as mean reversion rears its ugly head. I expect it will be similar to France's experience with the grandchildren and great grandchildren of industrious, law-abiding north africans.
He pecks a few holes in a tree to see Police say questions are being raised about attack claim October 24, 2008 13:30 EDT PITTSBURGH (AP) -- Police in Pittsburgh report "inconsistencies" in the story told by a McCain campaign volunteer. The woman had said a black man had robbed her, and had cut a "B" into her cheek after seeing a McCain bumper sticker on her car. Police say she's now been given a polygraph. They also say photos and bank card information from an ATM where Ashley Todd claimed she was robbed do not show her using the machine. Todd is a 20-year-old college student from Texas. She told investigators that she thinks the man noticed her McCain sticker after he robbed her. She says he then punched her and knocked her to the ground, and told her, "You are going to be a Barack supporter." She told police he scratched a backward letter "B" into her face using what she believed was a dull knife. She said she didn't seek medical attention, but instead went to a friend's apartment and called police about 45 minutes later. The report of the attack prompted McCain and Sarah Palin to call Todd and express their concern. The Obama campaign issued a statement wishing her well, and hoping that the attacker would be swiftly brought to justice.
Well, I know for a fact that traits are passed from parent to offspring, it's why I look like my mother. I don't understand exactly what you are saying. And I look like my father - although a lot lighter skin toned from my mother's Germanic blood line. People make the mistake that because physical characteristics are transmitted genetically that such holds true for ALL characteristics. In logic this is known as the fallacy of division i.e., that which holds true for one set holds true for all - when there is no evidence to support it. "(From "The Fallacy Files")Form: The object O has the property P. The universe has existed for fifteen billion years. Therefore one can see the fallacies that arise. Another example of my own devising: John is Redhead Yet another: William is Black. You could manufacture any number of examples to illustrate this fallacy but I think that suffices. The rest of my reasoning delves into the realm of what is the ultimate nature of man? OR How you answer that question has profound affect on how you see other people.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
This person probably didn't grow up in an environment where decisions had no repercussions. Where she was from if a family had too many children they probably went hungry. Which would serve as a huge motivation to not have more kids than you could afford, which kept the lazy and unmotivated from reproducing in favor of the more productive. Your view on genetics just doesn't square with the intelligence I've seen you approach other subjects. Do you not believe that characteristics can be passed from one generation to the next? Dumb people don't give birth to MENSA members as a general rule.
OR Is "man" a duality of Spirit residing in a body? Both. Man is a slave to his DNA as well as to his spirit.
Unlike you and your leftist clique, I have no problem altering my position w/given additional info. Her story very well might be a heaping pile, but then again, since w/do you believe police reports? (Answer: When they comport to your leftist political leanings) And more importantly, do you believe police reports can be altered to achieve a political end? I'd appreciate a simple yes or no to that question.
UPDATE: A Pittsburgh police commander says a volunteer for the McCain campaign who reported being robbed and attacked near a bank ATM in Bloomfield has confessed to making up the story. Police say charges will be filed. More details to follow.
Latest: The attack was a hoax. Maybe I was right about her doing it in a mirror.
I stand corrected in my initial assumption.
I guess.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestWhen entire generations of people have never lived any other way than through welfare and government largess the motivation to improve ones self and work hard will eventually be extinguished. It seems unreasonable to expect someone who has been taught those values to have the same standards as someone who has worked for what they have.
If a redwood's really red
#427. To: Original_Intent (#423)
My argument is largely that the sources of the violent crime problem among all groups is not as much a factor of how dark one's suntan is, and the presumption that there is some inherent defect, but that data can be more rationally explored and examined for causes and factors which have little to do with melanin - which is nothing more than a biological adaptation for climate.
#428. To: christine (#422)
i enjoyed the story about your father too. 36 IQ?
#429. To: Original_Intent (#423)
Culture is certainly another
If a redwood's really red
#430. To: Tauzero (#426)
That successive generations are involved supports the case that the policies have been dysgenic.
#431. To: duckhunter (#421)
There is a simple solution to most violent crime. Reclaim the skools and install curriculums that actually result in literacy and some higher level of education. Literacy, not color, is a much better predictor of the propensity for crime.
#432. To: duckhunter (#425)
#433. To: Tauzero (#429)
Culture is certainly another
#434. To: christine, wadosy (#221)
have you ever heard of Defensive Racism?
#435. To: Original_Intent, Tauzero (#433)
Culture is certainly another
#436. To: duckhunter (#425)
When entire generations of people have never lived any other way than through welfare and government largess the motivation to improve ones self and work hard will eventually be extinguished. The old axiom "whatever the government wants more of, they subsidize" applies to poverty just like anything else. There are entire generations of people in this country who have been taught by their parents how to live off of welfare. It seems unreasonable to expect someone who has been taught those values to have the same standards as someone who has worked for what they have.
"Life is tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid." ~ John Wayne - in "The Sands of Iwo Jima" (had an Uncle there).
#437. To: duckhunter, christine (#435)
I know I sound like a broken record but think about this; The amount of welfare a person receives is based in some part on how many dependents they have, which creates a perverse motivation to procreate while simultaneously insulating the person from the costs of procreating. As a result, many people with no motivation or work ethic have had many more children than they would otherwise have had while also driving up the price of children for those responsible enough to understand and bear the cost. While I don't believe that people are soul-less, I do believe that the species follows the rules of genetics like everything else with DNA and if you breed for certain characteristics, the traits become evident in the offspring. So after years of government welfare, I can understand why successive generation may become dumbed down.
#438. To: Original_Intent, Jethro Tull (#418)
There is a simple solution to most violent crime. Reclaim the skools and install curriculums that actually result in literacy and some higher level of education. Literacy, not color, is a much better predictor of the propensity for crime.
#439. To: duckhunter, Original_Intent (#427)
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OI: My argument is largely that the sources of the violent crime problem among all groups is not as much a factor of how dark one's suntan is, and the presumption that there is some inherent defect, but that data can be more rationally explored and examined for causes and factors which have little to do with melanin - which is nothing more than a biological adaptation for climate.
#440. To: Original_Intent (#433)
The answer is that there is none, zero, nada, zilch, squat, etc.,
If a redwood's really red
#441. To: duckhunter (#435)
While I don't believe that people are soul-less, I do believe that the species follows the rules of genetics like everything else with DNA and if you breed for certain characteristics, the traits become evident in the offspring.
If a redwood's really red
#442. To: rowdee (#438)
Before the Great Society and its damnable welfare crap came along, I don't believe you will find the criminal rates near the out of whack rates they are nowadays.
#443. To: scrapper2, all (#439)
I'm sorry but it's individuals who have ultimate responsibility and accountability for their situation based on choices they make.
#444. To: scrapper2 (#439)
However I would disagree with both of you when you blame government for the behavior and culture of black people. Look at black culture in African nations under self-rule, where presumably they have been allowed to develop "naturally." Africa as a continent would die off in short order either from tribal machete wars or from AIDS if outside intervention did not stop the "natural" melt down.
And OI why do blacks need special "skools" to help them out of their morass? Poor whites have bad schools and they get on with their lives just fine for the most part. Giving blacks special super duper education is just more gov't social engineering that's bound to fail at the taxpayers' expense.
I'm sorry but it's individuals who have ultimate responsibility and accountability for their situation based on choices they make. Blacks' high crime rates are because individual blacks are choosing to become involved in crime, and that's because their culture is one where crime and violence is accepted.
#445. To: Jethro Tull, all (#443)
#446. To: scrapper2 (#442)
Behavior accepted today wasn't accepted then by either black adults or policemen.
#447. To: rowdee (#446)
And, of course, its been reported that in NYC, the teachers in some schools sit inside cages to teach so as to avoid getting the crap beat out of them.
#448. To: rowdee, all (#438)
#449. To: Original_Intent (#437)
Genetics has become one of those secular religions that "everybody knows" but for which there is little scientific proof. It is stated and asserted to the point people assume it to be true without evidence.
#450. To: Cynicom (#445)
"Cops Eye 'Inconsistencies' In 'Campaign Attack"
#451. To: Tauzero (#440)
I notice that you didn't challenge me on the "culture" argument, and we both know why that is. Just as all the market is is a set of options, all "culture" is is a set of behavioral phenotypes.
#452. To: Tauzero (#441)
Genes and environment of course interact.
#453. To: Jethro Tull (#450)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#454. To: Original_Intent (#437)
It is all rational in a perverse way.
#455. To: all (#445)
Yesterday it was in fine print and buried.
#456. To: Original_Intent (#451)
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We can observe this in that those of different races raised in different cultures conform to the culture they were raised in.
If a redwood's really red
#457. To: All (#455)
#458. To: duckhunter (#449)
Genetics has become one of those secular religions that "everybody knows" but for which there is little scientific proof. It is stated and asserted to the point people assume it to be true without evidence.
Therefore, all of the parts of O have the property P.
(Where the property P is one which does not distribute from a whole to its parts.)
Example:
The universe is made out of molecules.
Therefore, each of the molecules in the universe has existed for fifteen billion years."
John is a Drunk
Therefore all Redheads are drunks.
William is a Drug Addict.
Therefore all Blacks are Drug Addicts. Is "man" merely a material biologic entity?
Is "man" a duality of Spirit residing in a body?
#459. To: Original_Intent (#451)
One of my favorite object lessons in this was in a Chow Line at the Base I was stationed at. In front of me by about 3 or 4 people was a nice young black girl who spoke perfect unaccented english who was chiding, but gently, correcting her boyfriend's ebonics and trying to teach him correct english. Whether she realized it or not, and I suspect she did, language matters and people judge you based on your speech and vocabulary. Speech patterns are of course an educational matter and are part of culture. Likely she came from an intact family with educated parents - and had you not been able see her but only hear her you would not known that she was black.
#460. To: Original_Intent (#458)
Is "man" merely a material biologic entity?
#461. To: Ferret Mike, angle. all (#453)
#462. To: Jethro Tull (#461)
a heaping pile
#463. To: angle (#457)
#464. To: angle (#462)
#465. To: Jethro Tull (#464)
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