When you were in school, did your high school have woodshop classes, or auto mechanic classes?
I took Dinosaur shoeing 101-104 ... just kidding !
The High School I attended was probably the largest vocational school in the country at the time. (Arsenal Techical High School.) We had every vocational class imaginable, Electric Trades was the one I chose.
After High School I went into pharmaceutical sales for awhile (illicit) and decided to go into the military after a couple of not so pleasant run ins with the local cops. I had been on an Academic program but decided I might be able to use the electric shop training later on. Just never did. My son is a journeyman electrician and they didn't offer it at his High School. I guess you never know ! But, there's no question kids came out of high school a lot more prepared back in the day.
A return to some of those values may be a result of the economic disaster we're going to encounter.
There is no honor in bending one's knee to the banking elites that are robbing the children you claim to love of their future. Soon they'll convince those very same children that you deserve to be eliminated ... and they may be right.
You are such a delightful mix of disinformation and misconceptions that it is a pleasure to read your posts. Not many people in the possession of so many ill informed and paradoxical positions has the guts to post here.
It is like having "Turtle's" mirror image.
BWAHAHAHA!!!!!
Freepers: hearts full of hate and cowardice, and skulls full, to quote a favorite saying of one of their favorite cowards, of mush.
#488. To: angle, Jethro Tull, christine, Ferret Mike (#400)(Edited)
I take issue with the anti black rhetoric on this thread liking blacks to monkeys and referring to blacks as niggers and now I'm against whites? In your small mind perhaps.
It's a sad thing to see you rationalize hatred toward people who are a different color. I guess "christian" doesn't really mean loving others and the constitution doesn't really mean equality.
It's a sad day when the people who pride themselves on seeing the state of affairs for what they are turn out to be the people who are all for race wars.
Sickening.
Well, if you fail to see that white people's blood runs in the streets every day from the black crime wave and people like you encourage more of the senseless violence by the "perpetual victim class" among us, then yes, you're against whites.
It doesn't matter how whites feel about blacks. They despise and victimize whites at nearly every opportunity regardless of how liberal the victims may have been.
And, as the FBI Uniform Crime Report clearly shows, blacks victimize other blacks in such staggering numbers that they are clearly their own worst enemy.
It's a pity you don't have any harsh words for them.
And, just what kind of man would I be if I allowed some stranger with an unnatural affectation for blacks to influence my judgment?
I mean no offense but, a white prison bitch who adores his cellmate and counts the hours until the next violent ass raping could say the same things you say. And, what would he care about my family and the very real threat that young urban blacks present to me and mine?
The fact that white people's sensibilities are a low priority for you makes you suspect.
And, until we know where you're coming from and why that will continue to be the case.
You hurl insults and utter simulated shrieks of outrage and you haven't offered any plausible background or logic for your beliefs.
For instance, Ferret Mike has an biracial child whom he dearly loves and certain ignorant comments really hurt him, so, I know where he's coming from. I would feel the same and it's no effort to understand that and him.
But, you are hiding something and I think I know why you won't reveal the reasons for your strong feelings on this subject.
Until you're prepared to be honest and then defend your true motivations you have no business viciously attacking folks who don't share your sensitivities. You cannot honestly claim that disagreeing with you constitutes a wrong against you, but your harsh rhetoric indicates that you believe just that!
Could you please explain how you can feel obviously superior to some whites whose views differ from your own, and why you feel inferior to blacks?
Try being totally honest with us and you may be amazed at the understanding we have for your views, or at the very least the sympathy we have for your condition or syndrome.
#490. To: christine, angle, Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#420)
some, yes, but my perception is that most is defensive racism and the expressed outrage of the double standard. further, i don't see where Cyni or JT have ever written that they hate blacks or any other race as you keep accusing. Cyni has admitted that he is a racist because he PREFERS his own race and, JT, because of his experiences in Brooklyn, as a youth and as a NYC policeman has valid reasons for his preference.
i'm sure you would agree that in today's PC culture, racial preference and the desire to preserve one's race/culture is encouraged and lauded for all races except white.
Your post # 420.
Again more examples that people's views don't form in a vacuum. Cynicom has stated his views succinctly with no ambiguity, and JT is like hundreds of thousands of police officers who didn't start out suspicious and resentful of blacks. But, cops quickly learn that if they say "Sir" to blacks then they're considered chumps, and that street blacks won't do a damn thing the police "ask" them to do-they have to be forced into compliance with every command from a white police officer. We can thank American blacks for command presence and machismo instead of polite behavior from the police.
And, this honesty from Cyni and JT further underscores the likelihood that angle hasn't told us what motivates his seemingly blind, inexplicable hatred of whites who don't worship at his Elevate-The-African shrine.
Why does he insist on hiding under a bridge and lobbing stones from a place of concealment?
Of course if angle is biracial I can understand a reluctance to say so. We have some folks who would pounce on him and never let up, and G_d forbid that he's the target of ignorant comments from folks with strong views equal to his own on this divisive issue.
*police officer* "Put down the cell phone and exit the vehicle or I will TASE you!"
*ignorant black* "Nu uh, you don't be telling mee dat I can't be calling my sista!"
*screams, howling,* "HEEEEELLP, da police done TASED my stoopid black ass!AHHHHHHHH!"
Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!
But, on a lighter note, let's think of something beautiful and well worth fighting to protect!
Why does he insist on hiding under a bridge and lobbing stones from a place of concealment?
Because he's a troll??
Sorry, you left that one wide open ;-)
The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit! -Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
Why does he insist on hiding under a bridge and lobbing stones from a place of concealment?
Because he's a troll??
Sorry, you left that one wide open ;-)
It's only on this issue that he goes so far into left field that I don't recognize him.
I believe he has his reasons and that he doesn't dare share them with everyone.
Let's face it, there are folks here who'll call an amputee "Stumpie" at the first sign of a disagreement.
I mean, I wouldn't share my big secret with everyone here. (if I had one!) But, I won't rail about it, either. If I did folks would almost certainly sense the Freudian clues I'm dropping all over the place and they'd know if I was campaigning the way angle obviously is.
He's right you know. Racism is debunked and as worthless as any other criminal behavior. So, this is a free speech forum?
Just not his speech, right? You are way wrong in allowing haters and baiters in, and banning this chap. What was the matter? was he getting uncomfortably close to the truth?
And did you think I would be too gun shy to give you my two cents worth on this? And in telling you you are being hypocritical here?
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
I believe he has his reasons and that he doesn't dare share them with everyone.
I agree.
I'm sorry, angle, I shouldn't have called you a troll, it was just too easy a jab to pass up ;-)
The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit! -Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
Nah, banning for tempermental reasons is what Sally does, at least that the only person outside of the Free Republic I am most familiar with as someone that does this. Turtle should not be banned.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
And in telling you you are being hypocritical here?
Mike...
Free speech does not allow you or anyone else to abuse others, even with free speech of language.
I refer to the vulgar language of this departed person as well as your self. If you re read the thread, all I asked from the departed was to omit his vulgar use of his language here. Without a little personal discipline, this forum would degenerate into the gutter like many others that you and I have populated.
Vulgar language coupled with attack tactics trying to inflame a 4um has no place here nor any forum that considers itself responsible and respectful.
the atmosphere i encourage in this forum is freedom of expression. if you can't handle it and you are advocating censorship, then Freedom4um is not the forum for you.
Racism, is the bigotry of lower standards. You can't expect them to understand, and if you try to explain it, you are racist. If a rapper tries to get the message through, he's an Uncle Tom. We just need more education to reinforce victimhood status, and their limits imposed by their advocates. They can not be taught, because they refuse to be taught. And those that make excuses for their victimhood are advocates for their continued ignorance.
What was the matter? was he getting uncomfortably close to the truth?
For starters, "this chap" lied - he mis-stated what other posters said.
Secondly, he kept haranguing various posters with the same question even though he had received his answer 50 posts before hand.
Thirdly he was a stereotypical disrupter, provocateur- he could care less about honest debate - he was baiter, something you profess to dislike.
I came in late on the thread but in the course of 50 posts those were the points I noted. Perhaps other posters could add to the list who were on the thread for a longer time.
It's a mighty big country. If you were King-For-A-Day and could criminalize "racism", who would you go after first and why?? By "who" I mean would you go by race, politics (leftists/fascists/libertarians/conservatives/anarchists) or ???? Would you make telling offensive jokes a Class C misdemeanor or ???? How would you square this with the First Amendment??
The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit! -Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
Is it time for another zinging ricochet into another pointless discussion that will inevitably end with an insult and dismissal once you're cornered by your own flawed premise?
Free speech does not allow you or anyone else to abuse others, even with free speech of language.
I refer to the vulgar language of this departed person as well as your self. If you re read the thread, all I asked from the departed was to omit his vulgar use of his language here. Without a little personal discipline, this forum would degenerate into the gutter like many others that you and I have populated.
Vulgar language coupled with attack tactics trying to inflame a 4um has no place here nor any forum that considers itself responsible and respectful.
Yes, it's time to fish and there's no room for the seaSICK.
Exactly. Time for the unproductive to walk the plank! Whining and bitching takes away from rowing the boat. Row or have a talk with Davey Jones locker. Argh.
The world is being held hostage by self centered nuts and their evil bastard minders.
I see they are here poking sticks at free minded to keep them properly herded or mute.
"So, Mike, are you saying you are in favor of criminalizing "thought" crimes?"
Not at all. Racists have the right to free speech, and they are accountable for their words. What I consider criminal is the manifestation of action done to express or promote racism.
I do not accept racism as normative human behavior. People who believe in racism suffer from a deep cancer of the soul.
I did not see any foul language, and I did not see any ad hominem behavior, so I assume I missed seeing the posts Christine reacted to.
None the less, he is new, and not a proved fuckwit like BeaChooser, so I don't support a banning.
Christine can sure do as she wishes as this is her forum, but that is my opinion. And it sure is not going to change anymore then anything on racism I've read here has done so at all.
I am giving my opinion and I am not going to belabor the issue. But I will say I don't agree with this.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
If the election goes well, it is at best a start. I will be at Lane County Election Central at the fair grounds like I always am, and then I will go home and get to bed and then go to work the next day.
I take this one day at a time, and the day after the election is when I know who it is to target to promote my particular political efficacies. I don't like Obama's pro death penalty stand, and I don't agree with off shore oil drilling and he is going to need to be pressured to do the right thing with environmental issues.
I support Barack Obama because he is going to be easier to badger around to promote the things people like me promote.
I have no rose colored sunglasses on. He will be POTUS, but like anyone else, whether I like him as a man or not, he has to earn his keep and show he can do the job.
Just like anyone else in the position would have to.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
There are also rumblings about his manchurian status as a boy broken by sexual abuse, that his father is Frank Marshall, that his reasons for being in Hawaii isn't just to tend to his dear grandmother, that he was forced to appear regarding his birth certificate, that all of this is coming out in the week ahead, and that none of that will change the selection.
Rumors rumors and facts. One of which the brainwashed refuse to dare question or explore. Driven by extreme self gratification rather than concern for the greater national concerns.
I have no rose colored sunglasses on. He will be POTUS, but like anyone else, whether I like him as a man or not, he has to earn his keep and show he can do the job.
Just like anyone else in the position would have to.
"Actually, there are rumblings from the election watchers and the old boy network may be setting up to steal this one too."
You are correct, and I wonder if they won't try to claim the Bradley Effect is what made the thing go south if it does. At DU there have been threads about machine malfunctions in several places.
Though here in Lane County the city and county government are going to spring for the extra postage if people don't put the right amount on the ballots that weigh more then normal and are in a larger envelope then usual.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn