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Title: Drudge Headline: SHOCK: MCCAIN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH
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Published: Oct 23, 2008
Author: Drudge
Post Date: 2008-10-23 16:14:45 by christine
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#505. To: Ferret Mike (#496)
i'll say the same to you as i said to wadosy. the atmosphere i encourage in this forum is freedom of expression. if you can't handle it and you are advocating censorship, then Freedom4um is not the forum for you.
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Ferret Mike: I am 100 percent convinced it is. So, Mike, are you saying you are in favor of criminalizing "thought" crimes?
Racism, is the bigotry of lower standards. You can't expect them to understand, and if you try to explain it, you are racist. If a rapper tries to get the message through, he's an Uncle Tom. We just need more education to reinforce victimhood status, and their limits imposed by their advocates. They can not be taught, because they refuse to be taught. And those that make excuses for their victimhood are advocates for their continued ignorance. Their enemies are their friends. What a scam
Well said, Olivia. Welcome to the struggle.
Thank you Jethro. There is a time to fish, and a time to cut bait. Seems the time is coming to cut bait.
For starters, "this chap" lied - he mis-stated what other posters said. Secondly, he kept haranguing various posters with the same question even though he had received his answer 50 posts before hand. Thirdly he was a stereotypical disrupter, provocateur- he could care less about honest debate - he was baiter, something you profess to dislike. I came in late on the thread but in the course of 50 posts those were the points I noted. Perhaps other posters could add to the list who were on the thread for a longer time.
Yes, it's time to fish and there's no room for the seaSICK.
"Racism is criminal behaviour, bunky?" I am 100 percent convinced it is. It's a mighty big country. If you were King-For-A-Day and could criminalize "racism", who would you go after first and why?? By "who" I mean would you go by race, politics (leftists/fascists/libertarians/conservatives/anarchists) or ???? Would you make telling offensive jokes a Class C misdemeanor or ???? How would you square this with the First Amendment??
I am 100 percent convinced it is. Taking poetic license with definitions I see. Is it time for another zinging ricochet into another pointless discussion that will inevitably end with an insult and dismissal once you're cornered by your own flawed premise?
I refer to the vulgar language of this departed person as well as your self. If you re read the thread, all I asked from the departed was to omit his vulgar use of his language here. Without a little personal discipline, this forum would degenerate into the gutter like many others that you and I have populated. Vulgar language coupled with attack tactics trying to inflame a 4um has no place here nor any forum that considers itself responsible and respectful. worth repeating bump.
Last week Mike began his Obama victory lap. I knew he'd build up to to this; calling racism a crime. Shades of things to come from the Os.
Exactly. Time for the unproductive to walk the plank! Whining and bitching takes away from rowing the boat. Row or have a talk with Davey Jones locker. Argh. The world is being held hostage by self centered nuts and their evil bastard minders. I see they are here poking sticks at free minded to keep them properly herded or mute.
Not at all. Racists have the right to free speech, and they are accountable for their words. What I consider criminal is the manifestation of action done to express or promote racism. I do not accept racism as normative human behavior. People who believe in racism suffer from a deep cancer of the soul. I did not see any foul language, and I did not see any ad hominem behavior, so I assume I missed seeing the posts Christine reacted to. None the less, he is new, and not a proved fuckwit like BeaChooser, so I don't support a banning. Christine can sure do as she wishes as this is her forum, but that is my opinion. And it sure is not going to change anymore then anything on racism I've read here has done so at all. I am giving my opinion and I am not going to belabor the issue. But I will say I don't agree with this.
Actually, there are rumblings from the election watchers and the old boy network may be setting up to steal this one too. If I was Barack I wouldn't order dinner and drinks for three thousand of my closest friends just yet....
hi Olivia, welcome!
Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com
If the election goes well, it is at best a start. I will be at Lane County Election Central at the fair grounds like I always am, and then I will go home and get to bed and then go to work the next day. I take this one day at a time, and the day after the election is when I know who it is to target to promote my particular political efficacies. I don't like Obama's pro death penalty stand, and I don't agree with off shore oil drilling and he is going to need to be pressured to do the right thing with environmental issues. I support Barack Obama because he is going to be easier to badger around to promote the things people like me promote. I have no rose colored sunglasses on. He will be POTUS, but like anyone else, whether I like him as a man or not, he has to earn his keep and show he can do the job. Just like anyone else in the position would have to.
There are also rumblings about his manchurian status as a boy broken by sexual abuse, that his father is Frank Marshall, that his reasons for being in Hawaii isn't just to tend to his dear grandmother, that he was forced to appear regarding his birth certificate, that all of this is coming out in the week ahead, and that none of that will change the selection. Rumors rumors and facts. One of which the brainwashed refuse to dare question or explore. Driven by extreme self gratification rather than concern for the greater national concerns.
Just like anyone else in the position would have to. Sounds like the Mike of yore.
You are correct, and I wonder if they won't try to claim the Bradley Effect is what made the thing go south if it does. At DU there have been threads about machine malfunctions in several places. Though here in Lane County the city and county government are going to spring for the extra postage if people don't put the right amount on the ballots that weigh more then normal and are in a larger envelope then usual.
Hi Christine, thank you! Nice to be here.
Newt... Welcome...I am in charge of nothing here, so if you ever have nothing to say, ping me and I will come up with something.
Ferret Mike: Not at all. Racists have the right to free speech, and they are accountable for their words. What I consider criminal is the manifestation of action done to express or promote racism. I do not accept racism as normative human behavior. People who believe in racism suffer from a deep cancer of the soul. A rather dodgey answer, if I may say so. You say on the one hand that racists [ or people whose opinions that don't jive with yours] have "a right" to free speech but on the other hand they are "accountable" for their words???? What do you mean by this mumbo jumbo about "the manifestation of action done to express or promote racism." ???? Use plain English, please. I would agree with you if you said that racist attitudes were unseemly or that those attitudes were troubling if expressed by community leaders. But when you use that judgmental tone of your viewing racist as a "deep cancer of the soul", you've lost me. If a bunch of old guys who have had too much to drink at a private poker party crack some jokes about wops or bohunks or hebes, you think those remarks reflect "a deep cancer of the soul" and that these old drunk geezers should be held "accountable" for their racist comments? Sheesh - you've drunk too much Kossack kool aid, me thinks. Let me remind you, Mike, that you started a very long thread cussing another political board moderator for her phoney attitude towards free speech... free for some but not for all or not all the time or only when I judge it to be free...
Now you sound like Prof. Irwin Corey, who was a grade A double talker. Have I told you I don't trust you?
Well there's the definition of a World Leader if I ever saw one. I know, let's have someone that can be bent over a fencepost by any random racist poster with a bag of chips and an attitude. That'll definitely be the sort that Putin, Chavez, Mickey Mouse, and E Coli Castro, will respect. One thing that we must keep in mind. While we may have a gigantic military, it takes money to finance it. As a nation we are trillions in debt, to the degree probably much MUCH more than we even know. Private Armies are now being funded to take up where the US military can perhaps not go. Who is it that commands those forces, and where are their loyalties when the well goes dry? Will there be any confidence in a complete mercenary government and military? And with what you know and pretend you don't, who will your President serve? How funny it is that accountability is not important, as long as the tanned one takes office. How long do you thing the charade lasts, before it is clear, the MIC is financed without loyalty to any country, people, border or law. Pirates of the Planet, without a conscience. Think about what you want for a future.
:laughing: Okay then, perhaps you might look at 528.
Actually, I am being very clear here. If someone wishes to expound on why they irrationally feel hating others, or feeling inappropriately that they are superior to them, they have a right to thrash about trying to prove that which is impossible to prove as it is flat an insane belief system. However, if they verbally harass someone and use their racism to steal someone's sense of well being and worth, and to denigrate their social standing, that person should be charged with a serious crime. I have always felt this, and I have always strongly and passionately felt this way. And I also don't give a damn if you trust me or not. I know where I stand on this issue. And I know I am right.
JT: "Racism is criminal behaviour, bunky?" FM: I am 100 percent convinced it is.
How funny it is that accountability is not important, as long as the tanned one takes office." Accountability is very important. However, I do not agree with what is generally known to many as the Jewish banker conspiracy. I am not fond of Zionism, and I want us to cut off Israel and show them who is boss, but I am not anti-Semitic. Jews do not conspire to own everything and to control our lives. You have a right to your view, but I do not share it.
Lots of different opinion here, but the larger story is the complete media blackout. This, IMHO, is b/c she's white. As I've said from the get go, if she were black, and given the exact same set of circumstances, Pittsburgh would be in flames and the WG'ers would be rendered into quivering bowls of jello. Another dog bites man news story. If this loser were Black, her name might be Tawana Brawley. The obvious hoax was perpetuated by a chubby, alleged "white," a McCain campaign worker who claimed to have been assaulted by a 6'-4" Negro. That's why it's all over the news as a "major story." I missed the "complete media blackout" of this hoax, Jethro. Compare the coverage of this incident with the coverage of similar hoaxes, say with the Negress whore Crystal Mangum who falsely cried gang rape by the White Duke University lacrosse team. That crazy street nigger should be in prison for what she did yet she held a press conference today, gushing with injured innocence to announce the publication of her new book about that malicious hoax. ap.google.com/article/ALe...v0axi7e5yXdnGfHgD940CQOO0 Faked "hate crimes" generally belong in the domain of Jews and other non-White "minorities." www.lairdwilcox.com/tool/order00-01.html#Wolf Crying Wolf: Hate Crime Hoaxes In America A thoroughly documented and extensively footnoted study of false and fabricated racist, anti-Gay, and anti-Semitic “hate crimes” actually perpetrated by the “victims” themselves to gain sympathy, advance a political agenda, or for monetary gain. Reviews: (Wilcox’s Report) “contains one documented example after another of extremists of all political stripes - but mostly from groups generally considered societal victims - who have been caught attempting to fabricate “hate crimes.” Phil Stanford, The (Portland) Oregonian, 13 January 1993. “Hoo boy, talk about a powderkeg! This explosive book examines a subject nobody wants to talk about - people who fake hate crimes, such as physical attacks and the destruction or defacing of property that are alleged to be motivated by the victim’s race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.” Russ Kick, Outposts, 1995. From the notorious Tawana Brawley hoax to cases reported only locally, each hoax is analyzed in terms of apparent motives, techniques employed, and payoff to the “victim.” Crying Wolf also discusses the intended and unintended consequences of these hoaxes, and the role of special interest groups in generating irresponsible ‘hate crime” statistics. A list of traits to help identify hoaxes is included. 1995. Laird Wilcox, Author. ISBN 0-933592-82-5. $19.95 Postpaid!
It's Great to be White!
I give good grades to posters that are brief, to the point and do not travel off into excess verbiage. When I snuck in here, I told the owner I would like to be in charge of something. She said I was in charge of nothing. Thats how I got my job. Pay is lousy but the title is nice.
Writing 'The Bell Curve' was not criminal behavior, calling say several young girls racial epithets and or beating up a man because someone does not like African Americans is overt damages done unto others that have standing as crime, as well it should.
I found that statment insulting. Accountability falls to all of us. WE are accountable for rooting out frauds/theives/liars/cheats. 'Working with' the insane, is for the medical profession. I read an interesting foreword this morning, that said that communists and bolsheviks, merely changed the tags on their doors to democrats and liberals. I wonder now, as they have used their party's faith, and faithful, to dupe them into more harmful policies, if, it matters at all, if anyone shows up at the polls. All pertinent powers of the Executive Office and Legislature have been handed to the Federal Reserve. The Supreme Court has often referenced foreign fads/tendencies, to render decisions upon the employees of the Corp. US. Where is it we are even allowed to choose a representative of the people of the US? We have a National excercise every four years, to show the world we are well trained sheep in the Global Olympics. Sadly, we are so bad at it, we've started the slower of the herd to the early 'voting' shoots.
That is how free speech as it is spelled out in the First Amendment works. No laws can be made to abridge it, but suffering the consequences of one's speech is the best regulator of what is said in existence. I never approve of nor like the racist discourse that goes on in here, and I only don't go after it because logistically I can't. And I think I am suspecting that if several folks showed up to take racism on in here in concert, more banning would happen. I would hope this would not be so, but I really wonder if taking on the racist focus in here would be allowed to take place.
Great stuff as usual, HC. About this 'exotic dancer'. If anyone wants to see what we're up against if Obama and imps like McCarthy get political power, read this book. The only recourse we have is white unification, and a push back. It's that or sit back and lose the nation.
that is a very vague and elusive answer. tell me, who would make the determination that someone's sense of well being and worth is stolen by someone else's words? and how would this "crime" be prosecuted? how do you square this with the first amendment? i'd appreciate direct answers to my questions as well as answers to X-15's.
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When I snuck in here, I told the owner I would like to be in charge of something. She said I was in charge of nothing. Thats how I got my job. Pay is lousy but the title is nice. I must agree having a title is nice. There is a hole in the chain link fence. That's how I got in.
So, as X-15 noted above, you consider speech criminal. What would you charge the 'criminals' with, Mikey?
Is this like when Carter had 'lust in his heart'? Therefore making him guilty of adultery? How about when you think of turning right before the light is green? No traffic, no one coming, is it a crime to think of turning before the GREEN hands down permission?
I just do it. I don't really think about it much since it is not a crime in my state.
God is always good!
What hogwash. What constitution are you reading because certainly it is not the US's. Here's what the ACLU says about our first amendment rights and the ACLU's stand on "hate speech" - certainly, Mike, you of all people would honor the ACLU's legal position on issues. www.aclu.org/studentsrigh...ion/12808pub19941231.html Many universities, under pressure to respond to the concerns of those who are the objects of hate, have adopted codes or policies prohibiting speech that offends any group based on race, gender, ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation. That's the wrong response, well-meaning or not. The First Amendment to the United States Constitution protects speech no matter how offensive its content. Speech codes adopted by government-financed state colleges and universities amount to government censorship, in violation of the Constitution. And the ACLU believes that all campuses should adhere to First Amendment principles because academic freedom is a bedrock of education in a free society. How much we value the right of free speech is put to its severest test when the speaker is someone we disagree with most. Speech that deeply offends our morality or is hostile to our way of life warrants the same constitutional protection as other speech because the right of free speech is indivisible: When one of us is denied this right, all of us are denied. Since its founding in 1920, the ACLU has fought for the free expression of all ideas, popular or unpopular. That's the constitutional mandate. Where racist, sexist and homophobic speech is concerned, the ACLU believes that more speech -- not less -- is the best revenge. This is particularly true at universities, whose mission is to facilitate learning through open debate and study, and to enlighten. Speech codes are not the way to go on campuses, where all views are entitled to be heard, explored, supported or refuted. Besides, when hate is out in the open, people can see the problem. Then they can organize effectively to counter bad attitudes, possibly change them, and forge solidarity against the forces of intolerance...
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#506. To: Ferret Mike, Jethro Tull (#501)
Jethro Tull: "Racism is criminal behaviour, bunky?"
#507. To: Jethro Tull (#502)
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#508. To: OliviaFNewton (#507)
They can not be taught, becuase they refuse to be taught. And those that make excuses for their victimhood are advocates for their continued ignorance
#509. To: Jethro Tull (#508)
Well said, Olivia. Welcome to the struggle.
#510. To: Ferret Mike (#496)
(Edited)
What was the matter? was he getting uncomfortably close to the truth?
#511. To: OliviaFNewton (#509)
#512. To: Ferret Mike (#501)
To: Jethro Tull
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#513. To: Ferret Mike, Jethro Tull (#501)
"Racism is criminal behaviour, bunky?"
#514. To: Cynicom, ALL (#504)
Free speech does not allow you or anyone else to abuse others, even with free speech of language.
#515. To: HOUNDDAWG, Mike Ferret (#513)
#516. To: Jethro Tull (#511)
Yes, it's time to fish and there's no room for the seaSICK.
#517. To: scrapper2 (#506)
"So, Mike, are you saying you are in favor of criminalizing "thought" crimes?"
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#518. To: Jethro Tull (#515)
Last week Mike began his Obama victory lap. I knew he'd build up to to this; calling racism a crime. Shades of things to come from the Os.
#519. To: OliviaFNewton (#507)
#520. To: Jethro Tull (#515)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#521. To: HOUNDDAWG (#518)
#522. To: Ferret Mike (#520)
I have no rose colored sunglasses on. He will be POTUS, but like anyone else, whether I like him as a man or not, he has to earn his keep and show he can do the job.
#523. To: HOUNDDAWG (#518)
"Actually, there are rumblings from the election watchers and the old boy network may be setting up to steal this one too."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#524. To: christine (#519)
hi Olivia, welcome!
#525. To: OliviaFNewton (#524)
#526. To: Ferret Mike (#517)
scrapper: "So, Mike, are you saying you are in favor of criminalizing "thought" crimes?"
#527. To: Ferret Mike (#517)
What I consider criminal is the manifestation of action done to express or promote racism.
#528. To: Ferret Mike (#520)
I support Barack Obama because he is going to be easier to badger around to promote the things people like me promote.
#529. To: Cynicom (#525)
#530. To: Jethro Tull (#527)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#531. To: Ferret Mike (#530)
Actually this is very clear, you left wing speech Nazi.
#532. To: OliviaFNewton (#528)
"Will there be any confidence in a complete mercenary government and military? And with what you know and pretend you don't, who will your President serve?
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#533. To: Jethro Tull, All (#450)
"Cops Eye 'Inconsistencies' In 'Campaign Attack"
#534. To: OliviaFNewton (#529)
Okay then, perhaps you might look at 528.
#535. To: Jethro Tull (#531)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#536. To: scrapper2 (#526)
A rather dodgey answer, if I may say so. You say on the one hand that racists [ or people whose opinions that don't jive with yours] have "a right" to free speech but on the other hand they are "accountable" for their words????
#537. To: scrapper2 (#526)
"A rather dodgey answer, if I may say so. You say on the one hand that racists [ or people whose opinions that don't jive with yours] have "a right" to free speech but on the other hand they are "accountable" for their words????"
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#538. To: Hypocrisy Cop (#533)
#539. To: Ferret Mike, X-15 (#530)
However, if they verbally harass someone and use their racism to steal someone's sense of well being and worth, and to denigrate their social standing, that person should be charged with a serious crime.
#540. To: Cynicom (#534)
I give good grades to posters that are brief, to the point and do not travel off into excess verbiage.
#541. To: Ferret Mike, X-15 (#535)
calling say several young girls racial epithets
#542. To: christine (#539)
tell me, who would make the determination that someone's sense of well being and worth is stolen by someone else's words?
#543. To: OliviaFNewton (#542)
How about when you think of turning right before the light is green?
#544. To: Ferret Mike (#537)
That is how free speech as it is spelled out in the First Amendment works. No laws can be made to abridge it, but suffering the consequences of one's speech is the best regulator of what is said in existence.
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