I don't support or sanction any racism, black on white, white on black, Hispanic against black, white against Hispanic, but they do have differences in origin and how each developed overall. White racism developed from a majority that used 'The Doctrine of Discovery' and later Manifest Destiny to mold and shape how racism was used to consolidate and build the doctrine of racism into a system of control and to maintain others in a permanent underclass in this country.
I recognize European racism against Natives in the Americas, against Asians and Africans as a central part of the problem of racism in the United States.
But all racism, regardless who has it and why they feel justified in expressing it is equally bad. There is no doubt about that.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
You GOTTA Rush to Pittsburgh and protect our Sarah! This is so serious! Now 'we' can all see what this Obama thingy is about. Is they trying to rape and mutilate our white weemin.
It's a sad truth that the story that would have the most sticking power is the one that implies that whites are closet racists who lie to pollsters. The media can't bring themselves to admit that Prop 15, which they backed tooth and nail and jammed down our throats for weeks before the election cost Bradley the race.
For what it's worth Deukmejian was extremely eloquent in his speeches and on talk show interviews, and he said all the right things at a time when Ronald Reagan was ascending to the throne of conservo demigod.
Bradley was an uninspired cookie liberal anti gunner (and former LAPD Lieutenant-the highest African American officer at that time-but cops in general and LAPD in particular ain't exactly the heroes of CA politics) with a message that appealed to few, and his primary support come from non (and anti) white interests, who would have voted for any black running regardless of qualifications.
Insightful post though I'd quibble with your use of the word "racist" when you refer to the reason white voters cast their ballots for Deukmejian. They voted for the candidate with whom they most closely identified, a very natural behavior instinct. It was not a case of their voting against Bradley because he was black.
Did you ever think that maybe the woman didn't want to go to the Emergency Room of a public hospital where she would most likely have to deal with more black people?
She was obviously traumatized, and probably called her personal Physician
Indeed. We should only trust our White Physicians. This White girl of ours must be in so much pain, I'm all teared up and sobbing.
Must be the Pittsburgh Police faked the whole thing and duped the TV station, that must be it.
Shame on them.
This is so TRUE.
It's good that we had McCain campaign right on top of the situation and they spread the truth at a time when the Police, obviously infiltrated by Blacks, refused to release the truth that we all wanted to hear.
#562. To: Ferret Mike, scrapper2, christine (#537)
"A rather dodgey answer, if I may say so. You say on the one hand that racists [ or people whose opinions that don't jive with yours] have "a right" to free speech but on the other hand they are "accountable" for their words????"
That is how free speech as it is spelled out in the First Amendment works. No laws can be made to abridge it, but suffering the consequences of one's speech is the best regulator of what is said in existence.
That's exactly right, Mike.
How many times have we heard some state worshiper say that "You can't shout fire in a crowded theater!"?
The truth is the opposite. You CAN shout fire if there's a fire, or if you smell smoke (or if you follow the advice of fmr NYPD Detective and security consultant/author J.J. Bookbinder, who recommends shouting fire instead of "rape!" because people who won't get involved in a rape would be threatened by fire so they will respond) and you can shout "FIRE!" even if none of these conditions are present. The govt does not have the power to tape your mouth before you enter a theater because that would be unconstitutional prior restraint!"
However, if you needlessly cause a panic and injury and/or property damage then you could be (and should be) tossed in jail.
And that is "suffering the consequences of one's speech" as you said.
The freedom to speak does not automatically indemnify or insulate one from responsibility for the abuse of a constitutional right, any more than the right to keep and bear arms automatically brings with it the right to fire weapons in the direction of another.
In either case one had better be prepared to justify the legally questionable exercise of a constitutional right.
Where you and I may part company is, perhaps you'd like to see the law come down on Nazi/Klan/BNP marches and such because riots (involving those hot blooded "other people") ensue. But, that strategy has been used by anti fascists and fascists alike in the past, and it has no place in America. It's a shoddy end run around the rights of those who exercise their freedom for unpopular or non-PC reasons.
If everyone was limited to only soft, unoffensive expression then why would we even need a 1st amendment?
Yup. The only way they'd cover it is if it were a crazed white christian televangelist attacking an elderly black woman. The Presstitutes operate off of a template and anything which does not fit it did not occur.
Indeed like in... it did not occur.
I am reading this thread for entertainment and I am getting lots of. (that was Sarahspeak)
The level of Cretinism on this thread is so high (or low... it depends where your point of reference may be) it beats that of Jerry the Springer's show by... a lot.
I did note the lucid analysis from Angle and a couple of others but... Ciny, Jethro, the Original... the other usual suspects, they do not disappoint.
However, if you needlessly cause a panic and injury and/or property damage then you could be (and should be) tossed in jail.
And that is "suffering the consequences of one's speech" as you said.
Where you and I may part company is, perhaps you'd like to see the law come down on Nazi/Klan/BNP marches and such because riots (involving those hot blooded "other people") ensue. But, that strategy has been used by anti fascists and fascists alike in the past, and it has no place in America. It's a shoddy end run around the rights of those who exercise their freedom for unpopular or non-PC reasons.
"The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for the interference with the right of free speech where it attempts to regulate the content of the speech. A less stringent test is applied for content-neutral legislation. The Supreme Court has also recognized that the government may prohibit some speech that may cause a breach of the peace or cause violence."
Content of speech cannot be regulated by government. End of story.
...though I'd quibble with your use of the word "racist" when you refer to the reason white voters cast their ballots for Deukmejian. They voted for the candidate with whom they most closely identified, a very natural behavior instinct. It was not a case of their voting against Bradley because he was black.
An excellent point, and no one in the CA MSM would ever think to air the question, "Why is Tom Bradley automatically presumed to be the better candidate?"
It seemed that the unspoken presumption was "It's time for a person of color to be governor" and "right thinking whites" were supposed to "do social justice" by voting for Bradley.
It may be difficult for outsiders to believe but CA is that eat slap up (as mah Confederate relations would say) with unrepentant liberalism, and for whites that meant heaping ladles of guilt and sacrifice by falling on their swords (voting against their perceived interests) at that time.
When my former trumpet player learned I was moving to LA, he just laughed. (He was a postal worker out there years before)
When I asked why he chortled to himself he said, "You'll find out!"
And, I did.
When Bradley's defeat was announced the newscasters were so somber and heartbroken that I actually laughed out loud while watching them on TV! It was as if Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden had opened a combination assault rifle/indoor target shooting boutique and daycare center on Rodeo Drive!
And when Prop 15 fell by a 2 to 1 margin the newscaster banged his fist on the desk and shouted, "WHEN WILL PEOPLE EVER LEARN?"
The gun proposition was extremely divisive because the media totally blocked out any spoken and written opposition to the ban, and we were carpet bombed with proponents on talks shows, in newspapers and even nightly newscasts for weeks before. It was clear that any dirty trick they could use was fair to "defeat the awesome gun lobby" a tactic that was later repeated in MD when they created their "handgun approval (ban) board" which by fiat may decree what guns are available for sale in the state..
"The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for the interference with the right of free speech where it attempts to regulate the content of the speech. A less stringent test is applied for content-neutral legislation. The Supreme Court has also recognized that the government may prohibit some speech that may cause a breach of the peace or cause violence."
Content of speech cannot be regulated by government. End of story.
It turns out that the report was from McCain the Campaign, you stupid, credulous, one-born-every-minute sucker.
It was the kid who reported it to the police, hence the arrest of her, and not a member of the McCain campaign. And jeez....who could make a mistake thinking a white kid could get mugged by a burr head in the 'berg. Go peddle your white guilt somewhere else. Obama voters, but virtue of the adoration of socialism, aren't a good fit here. Now scat.
Vast is a despicable socialist, enamored by black skin. Remove the melanin from his Saviour and you have Ted Kennedy. The poor soul is reduced to hit and run tactics, but like Mikey, I expect him to do a victory lap after the Black one and his nasty wife defile the White House w/their presence come January. Obama will never be my president, and for those who believe the office of the president deserves respect, well they're living in a time warp. Vast is the essence of white guilt, and a prime example why we've temporarily lost the nation.
No one seems concerned or have the slightest interest in the fact that 101 per cent of blacks just happen to support Obama. It would seem to a rational person that at least one black somewhere would have black guilt and support McKooK. This, however, is not the case.
MSM, white guilters and their ilk all ignore the total black support for Obama. My personal preference for my own race makes me a "racist", but glacks get a pass on the very same level. Then we have the guilters that prefer not to live in Harlem nor any inner city, that stand on the rooftops telling the world how pure their soul is, just dont make them live in Harlem.
I really am trying to avoid unnecessary roughness with angle.
Geez, all your verbage has me cowing in the corner. In order to proper respond to your accusations/disappointment more time than what I have to devote to this project today is required.
Let me simply say for now that I recognize the issues in the black culture in America today and don't dismiss them. However, as to my secret motive for judging a man based on his person rather than his color, on his person rather than his genetic or cultural group, there is only my upbringing. I am a descendent of Polish American parents, raised with the traditional Polish customs that remained from what my families brought with them in the early part of the last century. Raised Roman Catholic in mixed neighborhoods of Polish-AM, Irish-AM, Italian-AM and some African-AM among others.
Polak, Kike, Jew, Wop, Nigger were all a part of what I heard and saw. One of the nicest men I knew in my life was "Scag" Cottman the trash man. Older black and steady, he was a model of dignity and work ethic, friendly and a community man who devoted his time to black youth in baseball and other events. Perhaps that relationship shaped my views.
My father was a racist against blacks. I never agreed with that. During the course of my life I have been friendly with blacks but never close friends. Their culture hasn't allowed for it. I have worked with blacks and get along with never a problem.
Therefore, when the offensive racists on this board like JT and cyni and others getting a thread going with hateful non-productive rhetoric based upon the problems in the black culture in America that has a myriad of causes and few solutions and wants to castigate and disparage a whole group of people, yes, people, human beings like you and I, I take exception. That doesn't mean I don't see an explosive powder keg of problems set to explode in our cities, but remember that all of this including the financial tsunami was done by design.
I don't agree that hateful discourse is productive. The language and insinuation is beneath the level of discussion in which I choose to participate and I take exception to it.
No one seems concerned or have the slightest interest in the fact that 101 per cent of blacks just happen to support Obama.
Right. And (horrors) a majority of Whitey. Could it be that a majority of Whites are anti-White, the same way, Sarah proved it to us, a majority of the US Americans are anti-Americans?
i'm sure you would agree that in today's PC culture, racial preference and the desire to preserve one's race/culture is encouraged and lauded for all races except white.
I wouldn't be sure. Please first describe "white culture". Then perhaps we can discuss the same idea.
As to the desire to preserve one's race...ok, I agree that the desire to preserve the white race isn't as strong a PC goal as other races. But let me state for the record that I don't agree with the idea that the total of what constitutes an individual human being is defined by race.
further, i don't see where Cyni or JT have ever written that they hate blacks or any other race as you keep accusing
Certainly, they haven't written "I hate blacks" because it would be too damning, even for the support they get on this forum. Yet they denigrate blacks, ALL blacks, all the time. One can PREFER and promote ones own race without disparaging other races.
Yet they denigrate blacks, ALL blacks, all the time.
Excuse Mr. Angle. Blacks being blacks isn't my beef. My problem is with white guilters such as yourself, who have donned the Obama knee pads and kinked up their hair.
Rumors rumors and facts. One of which the brainwashed refuse to dare question or explore. Driven by extreme self gratification rather than concern for the greater national concerns.
In your view, which are 'the greater national concerns' and, given that there is no doubt that either McCain or Obama are going to be the next US prez., which of the 2 is, in your view, more likely to better address those concerns and why do you believe that it is so?
As some of the members of this site (not the cooks) would tell you, I am persuadable and I am open to learning so, let's see if you can move me to your side, whichever it may be.
I like most Americans was taught it was our duty and right to vote, and I started voting for Ike under that lesson.
In later years it became apparent that I was voting for the lesser of two evils and that there was in reality only one party. For my personal well being I will no longer participate in the charade. I have a right to decide on my own, vote or no vote and I have made my decision.