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Title: Drudge Headline: SHOCK: MCCAIN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH
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URL Source: http://www.drudgereport.com/
Published: Oct 23, 2008
Author: Drudge
Post Date: 2008-10-23 16:14:45 by christine
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Views: 9559
Comments: 659
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#587. To: OliviaFNewton (#583)
Newt... First time since Ike I will not vote, period. I like most Americans was taught it was our duty and right to vote, and I started voting for Ike under that lesson. In later years it became apparent that I was voting for the lesser of two evils and that there was in reality only one party. For my personal well being I will no longer participate in the charade. I have a right to decide on my own, vote or no vote and I have made my decision.
Define yours and lets compare. Top 3.
Why should I care?
Did I miss something? Was wadosy banned?
Note the tactics on 588.
Ollie, I thought you had a clear idea of what the greater national priorities were. The fair play would have been for you to name your priorities but, apparently, you would rather define yours in a reactive way - as in yours (probably made up on the spot) in response to mine. That reminds me of Sara's inability to name ONE 'precondition' after talking about only meeting with Castro or Ahmadinajad after 'preconditions' were met. I will be very open with you and I will admit that we no longer have anything that we could call 'a nation'. All 'we' got is a State and, possibly, a common urge to consume - thus W more often than not calling his State's citizens 'consumers' as opposite to, let's say, immigrants, who are known as 'workers'. The State (not national because there is no nation no more) priorities? Here they are. 1 - Kick out anything that's W or W-related from the State machinery. Now, let's see what your national priorities are and let's see if you can pull me into your camp which you haven't named yet.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
In later years it became apparent that I was voting for the lesser of two evils and that there was in reality only one party. For my personal well being I will no longer participate in the charade. I have a right to decide on my own, vote or no vote and I have made my decision. The outcome is of course pre-determined. We are paying for the carnival either way. Everyone fighting over kewpie dolls. The more money we blow on a chance of a bigger prize, the richer the operators become. Ever laugh at the guy walking out of county fair with a giant stuffed Tweety Bird? Poor slob thought he was impressing someone with his artful ring tossing or dime bouncing skills. Big grins till he gets the stupid bird home or worse yet, sticks that monstrosity to live with a loved one. Here's the thing. I want the other Democrat to get stuck with the Bird. So, I'll play along as there's nothing else I can do to have a little fun in this national amusement park. I agree with sitting it out and understand your reasons why. I was going to do the same thing. But, I had a change of heart. The lessers have agreed on the evils coming our way already.
I'd substitute #4 with improving the infrastructure in our country.
I am aware of such tactics. One of my coworkers is an inscrutable Chinese - we are friends - and he's a master at playing these games.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Well... we're either getting outta here (a new frontier?) or we redo the fixer- upper :)
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
did you ban wadosy?
Can you tell me how you reached that conclusion? You demanded I put forth an essay. Now you insult me by suggesting my response was a trick. Paranoid much?
No dear. If you have any idea of what 'the greater national priorities' are, you spell them out or you prove yourself to be an uninteresting debater. I gave you not three but FIVE national priorities. Now, name yours or hide forever in shame.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Nothing elusive about it. Read Hugo Black on the First Amendment. He differentiates between speech and conduct. I was once in a crummy (forest work vehicle, slang) and one of the men I worked with screamed at a young girl who walked up, "GET OUTTA HERE, NIGGER BITCH!" She was about ten and this hurt her. This is not free speech, this is conduct that should be the recipient of immediate response. He got one that day, but that was between him and me. He just hated all black people and used this hatred to harm others. Another time two drunk skin heads blocked a woman's car near the coffee shop I went to before it folded giving her the Nazi salute with his foot on her bumper. I shadowed the anti-Semite pigs and the foot on bumper bozo responded by throwing parts of a pallet my way. I had placed a cell phone call, and he and his buddy were arrested, and they were charged with hate crime related assault and convicted of felonies. I believe that the first instance was definitely worth a tort filing by the girl's parents. As it was, he just got a chance to fight me. And if I see him again, I'll beat his ass one more time. That is how I like to deal with this concerning co-workers like this I can't get fired. The second one involved actual physical intimidation of a woman (whom I know and is Christian) and assault on me. That was actionable by the police in a justifiable way. I feel people need to work things out between themselves and should use civil court to make haters and baiters feel a financial and social sting as a result of acting out their irrational hate. If I hear live and in the flesh racist comments - say at a supermarket - I have a very booming voice and I use it. I am not someone who people like this intimidate very easily. I am good at creating a groundswell of support for my well chosen words because many would like to say something but are afraid to. That is how people should be, like me. They should speak up, even if their knees tremble as they do it. People have the right to free speech as per the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. But if they express hate through speech at work and say get fired because of it for example, that is consequence earned. I generally hate the cops and hate calling them. But if someone turns their speech into conduct to humiliate, harass or embarrass someone merely for subjective reasons like they hate Mexicans, Blacks, are Black and hate Whites, are a skinhead and hater Jews, or what ever the deal is, they deserve to have their world rocked for this. Hate Speech Law is problematic and I really don't trust it. But the U.S. Constitution is there to protect small groups and advocacies against the whim and caprice of the majority, so I could support an expiration set law against hate speech that promoted oppression, and took someone's sense of well being away from them and reduced their social, political and employment options in the community. It is an imperfect stop gap way to deal with it, but justifiable. Now as for how you set what is or what isn't examples of speech becoming conduct that blocks another from their rights as a community member or individual, I have seldom seen that having a gray area. Everyone well recognizes it and if there are questions whether it is or isn't, there is civil court one can file a tort in to remedy what they consider a wrong that had not been addressed by the criminal court system. A man taking a woman aside as not to embarrass he telling her he can't date her as she hints she wishes he would because he can't stand White woman as a Japanese ethnic male is not taking any rights away, or committing a hate crime. If he publicly displays his anger and hatred in a way to get others to shun or harass her, even verbally, that is a crime. That is theft of social standing to benefit his own and to build his ego at her expense. As far as where we set the enforceable standard, I prefer sticking with existing law and using that to invoking new laws that hurt the process of society on the whole evolving past this bad behavior. Too often too, such laws become tainted with too much of a political mindset and that creates resentment that is counter-productive to the creation of the environment needed to evolve change in society. We have to remember that the police have just so many man hours to work with, and so many resources with which to do their job. And it is better to learn to live within our law enforcement means and to learn how to organize and act ourselves to deal with racism and hatred. The best solutions involve communication and by confronting the behavior directly. So there is racist acts that would be bet left not handled by the police if the hate crime law solution creates more police and authority figures. There are never any easy answers in all this. But common sense goes a long way to crafting them. If I had been at a talk by say George Lincoln Rockwell and heard a typical comment by him that he would gladly give any black person wanting to go to Africa permanently to get across his belief all Blacks should be deported regardless of where they were born or how good a citizen they were, I would laugh at his stupidity and jeer him. I would be forced to defend him if he were prosecuted for this speech, because it is political speech, and directed against no set individual with a specific goal of theft of social well being or standing against them. But if I saw someone hit someone because they hate Blacks, I would run to help whomever was being assaulted. And I would do so if a White Man was being beaten for being White by someone who obviously acts merely out of the irrational hatred that is racism. All racism is wrong.
Yes, he was.
Holy shades of Jim Robinson.
I gave you not three but FIVE national priorities. Now, name yours or hide forever in shame. Who made you King Tut? You are already pissed and I've not even gotten started. Ha! You've jumped to conclusions about my motives, and I don't intend to waste time with a self important schmuck. Be nice or be ignored.
Can you tell me how you reached that conclusion? LOL - I must have naively assumed that you meant what you wrote. So, you are saying that you DO NOT have any idea of what 'the greater national priorities' are but you wish that everyone was focused on them and ignore the distractions? It's sounds so... Palinesque.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Amateur.
She must be a Rotara under a different name.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
My dear, you will never 'start' because you have no idea what you are talking about but you keep 'talking'.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Maybe.
You have a problem with comprehension don't you? Meds?
And, per your usual, you can carp, whine, cheese, and grouse without having anything of substance to contribute.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I keep responding. Try to keep up. You can apologize to me, and we can continue a discussion, but I will not tolerate your insulting tone. If you can't help yourself, then, we can work on those skills too.
For the record: You are completely incapable to name three 'greater national priorities' or even one but you believe that you should bash others for not focusing on 'them'. Then, you make some lame attempts at insulting rational people willing to be educated.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Let's do a compromise. You don't need to interact with me so try something at your level. This is my suggestion: Start a new thread titled 'The Greater National Priorities' and name yours in your first post. You can then defend or promote them as others choose to participate.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I think referring to it as "White Culture" misses the point. A culture is a living breathing thing composed of the people who make it. It is technology, art, music, science, mores, and manners. A culture is viable or it is not viable i.e., it either has the potential for survival and enhancing survival for the greatest number or it does not. A superior culture is one which enhances all of these for all people. It could even grow into a civilization. Something that would be a nice change on this insane asylum of a planet. However, would you regard the "Culture of the 'Hood" or of "The Barrio" as a superior culture? As I commented in my first post on this thread "race" is a highly charged subject. However, "culture" taken in it's broadest meaning is not a race specific thing, it can be only because some of a particular human subspecies might formulate their own, but that does approach the broader questions of mutual respect and toleration. Requirements for a true civilization. Certainly the 'Hood, "The Barrio", or the Trailer Park are not emblematic of civilization. Tolerance, and toleration, must be a two way street. Western "culture", or as it has now be redefined - misdefined, has offered the greatest amount of individual liberty to people's of all human groups. Certainly it has had its defects, but in its best moments it has transcended them. Never forget that there were an awful lot of "White" people who fought slavery, and whose descendents took up the battle of "Civil Rights". So, although it has become increasingly polarized because of the pendulum swing from oppression to oppression "White Culture" is still a misnomer. It was that "Western Culture" (with the occasional eastern influence) which raised the world from muck and mire. The ongoing attacks on that culture are intended to divide and disperse those elements of it which run counter to the totalitarianism that the Bankster Class would like to impose upon the rest of humanity. "Black Culture" as distinct from "Western Culture" does not exist. There are sub-cultures within the common culture but the attempt to subdivide and elevate one group or another to a point of supremecy misses the point and is at best myopic and at its worst destructive.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I keep responding. Try to keep up. You can apologize to me, and we can continue a discussion, but I will not tolerate your insulting tone. If you can't help yourself, then, we can work on those skills too. One of the problems I have found with people having ill manners is that they are so egocentric that it never occurs to them that their "temper tantrums" are not "Holy Writ". At least when I am ill mannered or nasty it is purely by intent. "The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
yes, i did. when someone makes the accusation that i'm stirring up race wars because i allow discussion of race issues and encourage freedom of expression and then follows it up with an inflammatory post about shooting and exterminating black people, i take that very seriously. i take that as a deliberate attempt to intimidate, censor, and silence me. that went far over the line and i'm not going to accept it.
Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com
It seems that some people want their free speech guaranteed, in whatever form they desire, however free speech by others is at the mercy of censorship.
I think it's an overreaction on your part. I said myself that I thought your posting of this story and your promotion of it as though it was factual was questionable judgment. "A bit suspicious of circumstances to be making racially motivated accusations." Your story resulted in this: and equally repugnant comments. Your silence condones it. I was attacked myself for questioning the story, yet you made nary a peep (here's a sample)#55: "That report is from the victim and witness, you're has been yanked our of your backside, you slimy WG'er." - JT Then you join up with Hounddawg in wanting my answers to the questions in his ridiculous raving mad post which accuses me of "feeling inferior to blacks?" and having "something to hide" because according to his logic, if I don't hate black people, I hate white people. You ignore the hateful and horrible comments under the guise of free speech, and then you ban wadsoy because you don't like what he said. I noticed you didn't refute wadosy's comments with your free speech. My god christine. I hope this is a decision of your own making, otherwise the bad advice you're taking doesn't bode well for the integrity of your mission statement.
I'd call it an advanced civilisation. However, would you regard the "Culture of the 'Hood" or of "The Barrio" as a superior culture? No.
OMG.........are you saying that even alan keyes has turned against whitey?
You are completely incapable to name three 'greater national priorities' or even one but you believe that you should bash others for not focusing on 'them'. Then, you make some lame attempts at insulting rational people willing to be educated. For the Record, spin baby spin.
I forgot about him. Years ago I supported him until he strayed off the reservation.
Seconded. When I've time later, I'll gladly expound on this. He as a new poster, and posted his view as an argument against racist verbiage. He should of gotten a rebuttal, not a head butting to the exit. With all due respect, teach and discuss limits you feel have been breached first. Then if they do not work out the problem and turn into a BeaChooser grade fuckwit, then ban them. I also question a perma ban near the emotionally charged time of an election. I suggest that if you feel this warranted an exit from forum, then go ahead and stick by that decision, but make it a time out, not a permaban.
No doubt you supported him out of your 'White Guilt,' yes? <./needle>
I think you're correct.
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#588. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#584)
In your view, which are 'the greater national concerns'
#589. To: angle (#585)
Well then, your voting in the sham election will be well received here by the resident anti-blacks.
#590. To: Ferret Mike, christine (#517)
#591. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#584)
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#592. To: All (#591)
#593. To: OliviaFNewton (#588)
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2 - Forget about free-trades and globalism.
3 - Get the hell out of 'the world', militarily speaking.
4 - Focus on establishing permanent colonies on the Moon, Mars and toward interstellar expeditions.
5 - Give Bush and his co-conspirators a fair trial on counts of mostly treason.
#594. To: Cynicom (#587)
I like most Americans was taught it was our duty and right to vote, and I started voting for Ike under that lesson.
#595. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#593)
1 - Kick out anything that W or W-related from the State machinery.
2 - Forget about free-trades and globalism.
3 - Get the hell out of 'the world', militarily speaking.
4 - Focus on establishing permanent colonies on the Moon, Mars and toward interstellar expeditions.
5 - Give Bush and his co-conspirators a fair trial on counts of mostly treason.
#596. To: angle (#591)
#597. To: angle (#595)
#598. To: christine (#395)
you know what? i've had enough of you. bye.
#599. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#593)
Ollie, I thought you had a clear idea of what the greater national priorities were.
#600. To: OliviaFNewton (#599)
#601. To: christine (#539)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#602. To: angle (#590)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#603. To: Ferret Mike (#602)
Yes, he was.
#604. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#600)
No dear. If you have any idea of what 'the greater national priorities' are, you spell them out or you prove yourself to be an uninteresting debater.
#605. To: OliviaFNewton (#599)
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Ollie, I thought you had a clear idea of what the greater national priorities were.
#606. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#600)
#607. To: angle (#606)
#608. To: OliviaFNewton (#604)
You are already pissed and I've not even gotten started.
#609. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#607)
#610. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#605)
So, you are saying that you DO NOT have any idea of what 'the greater national priorities' are but you wish that everyone was focused on them and ignore the distractions? It's sounds so... Palinesque.
#611. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Cynicom, Jethro Tull, christine (#563)
I did note the lucid analysis from Angle and a couple of others but... Ciny, Jethro, the Original... the other usual suspects, they do not disappoint.
#612. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#608)
My dear, you will never 'start' because you have no idea what you are talking about but you keep 'talking'.
#613. To: OliviaFNewton (#610)
#614. To: All (#613)
#615. To: angle, christine, duckhunter, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, Cynicom, Jethro Tull, all (#578)
I wouldn't be sure. Please first describe "white culture". Then perhaps we can discuss the same idea.
#616. To: OliviaFNewton (#612)
My dear, you will never 'start' because you have no idea what you are talking about but you keep 'talking'.
"A gentleman is one who is never unintentionally rude." ~ Oscar Wilde
#617. To: angle (#598)
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#618. To: christine (#617)
i take that as a deliberate attempt to intimidate, censor, and silence me.
#619. To: christine (#617)
when someone makes the accusation that i'm stirring up race wars
#620. To: Original_Intent (#615)
A superior culture is one which enhances all of these for all people. It could even grow into a civilization. Something that would be a nice change on this insane asylum of a planet.
#621. To: Cynicom (#572)
It would seem to a rational person that at least one black somewhere would have black guilt and support McKooK. This, however, is not the case.
#622. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#613)
For the record:
#623. To: rowdee (#621)
OMG.........are you saying that even alan keyes has turned against whitey?
#624. To: angle, christine (#619)
I think it's an overreaction on your part.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#625. To: Cynicom (#623)
"I forgot about him. Years ago I supported him until he strayed off the reservation."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#626. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#607)
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