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Title: The Origin of Hell
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Published: Oct 23, 2008
Author: Bible
Post Date: 2008-10-23 16:14:53 by richard9151
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The Origin of Hell

“HELL,” explains the New Catholic Encyclopedia, is the word “used to signify the place of the damned.” A Protestant encyclopedia defines hell as “the place of future punishment for the wicked.” But belief in such a place of punishment after death is not limited to the main churches of Christendom. It originated many centuries before Christendom came into existence.

The Mesopotamian Hell

About 2,000 years before the birth of Jesus, the Sumerians and the Babylonians believed in an underworld that they called the Land of No Return. This ancient belief is reflected in the Sumerian and the Akkadian poems known as “The Epic of Gilgamesh” and the “Descent of Ishtar to the Underworld.” They describe this abode of the dead as a house of darkness, “the house which none leave who have entered it.”

As to the conditions prevailing there, an ancient Assyrian text states that “the nether world was filled with terror.” The Assyrian prince who was supposedly granted a view of this subterranean abode of the dead testified that his “legs trembled” at what he saw. Describing Nergal, the king of the underworld, he recorded: “With a fierce cry he shrieked at me wrathfully like a furious storm.”

Egyptian and Oriental Religions

The ancient Egyptians believed in the immortality of the soul, and they had their own concept of the afterworld. The New Encyclopædia Britannica states: “Egyptian funerary texts depict the way to the next world as beset by awful perils: fearsome monsters, lakes of fire, gates that cannot be passed except by the use of magical formulas, and a sinister ferryman whose evil intent must be thwarted by magic.”

The Indo-Iranian religions developed various beliefs on punishment after death. Concerning Hinduism, the French Encyclopædia Universalis (Universal Encyclopedia) states: “There are innumerable descriptions of the 21 hells imagined by the Hindus. Sinners are devoured by wild beasts and by snakes, laboriously roasted, sawed into parts, tormented by thirst and hunger, boiled in oil, or ground to powder in iron or stone vessels.”

Jainism and Buddhism both have their versions of hell, where impenitent sinners are tormented. Zoroastrianism, founded in Iran, or Persia, also has a hell — a cold, ill-smelling place where the souls of sinners are tormented.

Interestingly, it would appear that the torments of the Egyptian, Hindu, Jain, Buddhist, and Zoroastrian versions of hell are not everlasting. According to these religions, after a period of suffering, the souls of sinners move on to some other place or state, depending on the particular religion’s concept of human destiny. Their ideas of hell resemble Catholicism’s purgatory.

Greek, Etruscan, and Roman Hells

The ancient Greeks believed in the survival of a soul (psy·khe82;, the word they also used for the butterfly). They called Hades the realm of the dead and believed it was ruled over by a god of the same name. In his book Orpheus — A General History of Religions, French scholar Salomon Reinach wrote of the Greeks: “A widely spread belief was that [the soul] entered the infernal regions after crossing the river Styx in the boat of the old ferryman Charon, who exacted as the fare an obolus [coin], which was placed in the mouth of the dead person. In the infernal regions it appeared before the three judges of the place . . . ; if condemned for its crimes, it had to suffer in Tartarus. . . . The Greeks even invented a Limbo, the abode of children who had died in infancy, and a Purgatory, where a certain mild chastisement purified souls.” According to The World Book Encyclopedia, souls that ended up in Tartarus “suffered eternal torment.”

In Italy the Etruscans, whose civilization preceded that of the Romans, also believed in punishment after death. The Dictionnaire des Religions (Dictionary of Religions) states: “The extreme care that the Etruscans took of their dead is explained by their conception of the nether regions. Like the Babylonians, they considered these to be places of torture and despair for the manes [spirits of the dead]. The only relief for them could come from propitiatory offerings made by their descendants.” Another reference work declares: “Etruscan tombs show scenes of horror that inspired Christian paintings of hell.”

The Romans adopted the Etruscan hell, calling it Orcus or Infernus. They also borrowed the Greek myths about Hades, the king of the underworld, calling him Orcus, or Pluto.

The Jews and the Hebrew Scriptures

What about the Jews before Jesus’ day? Concerning them, we read in the Encyclopædia Britannica (1970): “From the 5th century B.C. onward, the Jews were in close contact with the Persians and the Greeks, both of whom had well-developed ideas of the hereafter. . . . By the time of Christ, the Jews had acquired a belief that wicked souls would be punished after death in Gehenna.” However, the Encyclopædia Judaica states: “No suggestion of this later notion of Gehenna is to be found in Scripture.”

This latter statement is correct. There is no suggestion in the Hebrew Scriptures of a postmortem punishment for a soul in a fiery hell. This frightening doctrine goes back to the post-Flood religions of Babylonia, not to the Bible. Christendom’s doctrine of punishment in hell originated with the early Babylonians. The Catholic idea of remedial suffering in purgatory goes back to the early Egyptian and Oriental religions. Limbo was copied from Greek mythology. Prayers and offerings for the dead were practiced by the Etruscans.

But upon what basic supposition are these doctrines of conscious punishment after death based?

[Footnotes]

M’Clintock and Strong’s Cyclopædia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, Volume 4, page 165.

See the two other posts put up today in the Religion thread, please.

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#1. To: richard9151 (#0)

By the time of Christ, the Jews had acquired a belief that wicked souls would be punished after death in Gehenna

What kind of nonsense is that? Gehenna was Jerusalems' garbage dump. Where do they come up with this stuff??? That is a blatant lie.

"If you have a specific question, I can probably find the answer to it in my resources. "

Do these theologians ever get anything right?

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PSUSA  posted on  2008-10-23   17:05:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: richard9151 (#0)

"Hel" was the Norse god of the underworld, a woman who had half of her face blank. That's where "Hell" came from.

Freepers: hearts full of hate and cowardice, and skulls full, to quote a favorite saying of one of their favorite cowards, of mush.

Turtle  posted on  2008-10-23   17:15:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: richard9151 (#0)

This latter statement is correct. There is no suggestion in the Hebrew Scriptures of a postmortem punishment for a soul in a fiery hell.

Very interesting. Though there is mention in the Greek NT. Jesus is quoted a few times in the NT as mentioning a place of punishment after death. The parable of Abraham & Lazarus perhaps being the most prominent, though I can think of a few more references.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-10-23   17:26:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: PSUSA (#1)

Do these theologians ever get anything right?

No, and would you like to know why?

Thanks for asking! Because theology is all about what man thinks about God, which means nothing.

Why? Because the only thing important is what God thinks about, and, expects from, man. Which, by the way, is what the Bible is all about.

Naturally, this really ticks off a lot of men (and more than a few women) who seem to believe that they can transfer their beliefs about God..... to God.

Pretty silly, what?

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-10-23   18:14:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pinguinite (#3)

Though there is mention in the Greek NT.

As a parable, yes, but not in any manner that would contradict the Old Testament, which the Christ Jesus quoted from rather extensively.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-10-23   18:16:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: richard9151 (#5)

but not in any manner that would contradict the Old Testament,

It doesn't have to contradict it to add to it.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-10-23   19:02:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pinguinite (#6)

It doesn't have to contradict it to add to it.

Show me something in the New Testament that adds to the Old Testament.

That can not include the terms of the New Covenent, which is what the New Testament is about. It has to be something that was revealed in the Old Testament and added to in the New Testament.

Remember this; adding to changes that which was.

This is why we are told not to add to or take away from His Holy Word.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-10-23   19:07:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: richard9151 (#7)

Show me something in the New Testament that adds to the Old Testament.

I just did. Didn't I?

This is why we are told not to add to or take away from His Holy Word.

Mentioned in the final words of the NT, well after the time of Jesus.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-10-23   19:16:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pinguinite (#8)

I just did. Didn't I?

Not hardly. I told you it was a parable.

Mentioned in the final words of the NT,

?? You need to explain that, cause the verse I am referring to comes from the Old Testament, not the new.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-10-23   19:18:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: richard9151 (#9)

You need to explain that, cause the verse I am referring to comes from the Old Testament, not the new.

Rev 18: 18-19. Literally within the last 4 verses of the bible.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-10-23   19:41:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Pinguinite (#10)

Rev 18: 18-19. Literally within the last 4 verses of the bible.

First off, Revelation has 22 chapters, not 18. Here are the last 4 verses of Revelation;

22:18 “I am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; 19 and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things which are written about in this scroll.

20 “He that bears witness of these things says, ‘Yes; I am coming quickly.’”

“Amen! Come, Lord Jesus.”

21 [May] the undeserved kindness of the Lord Jesus Christ [be] with the holy ones.

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Here are the last 4 verses of 18:

18:21 And a strong angel lifted up a stone like a great millstone and hurled it into the sea, saying: “Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon the great city be hurled down, and she will never be found again. 22 And the sound of singers who accompany themselves on the harp and of musicians and of flutists and of trumpeters will never be heard in you again, and no craftsman of any trade will ever be found in you again, and no sound of a millstone will ever be heard in you again, 23 and no light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; because your traveling merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, for by your spiritistic practice all the nations were misled. 24 Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”

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Here are Verses 18 & 19 of Chapter 18;

18:18 and cried out as they looked at the smoke from the burning of her and said, ‘What city is like the great city?’ 19 And they threw dust upon their heads and cried out, weeping and mourning, and said, ‘Too bad, too bad—the great city, in which all those having boats at sea became rich by reason of her costliness, because in one hour she has been devastated!’

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So like I said, you are going to have to explain that.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-10-23   19:49:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: richard9151 (#11)

Not chapter 18, it's 22. My typo. Thanks.

Yes, it may only pertain to that book of Rev and not the whole bible. Indeed, the bible didn't exist at the proposed time of writing.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-10-23   20:24:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pinguinite (#12)

Yes, it may only pertain to that book of Rev

Let me be very clear about this; nothing can pertain to just one chapter of the Bible. The ENTIRE Bible is harmonious. That means that it can not, and does not, contradict itself.

This is why, when Jesus Christ speaks of a lake of fire, you look at other parts of the Bible to be sure exactly what he is speaking of. It is not eternal torment; it is the final destruction/cutting off/the second death from which there is no return. Death for eternity.

I hope this clears up any lingering doubts, but if you have any, I suggest that first, you read the above post carefully, and check the verses quoted in your Bible. Which Bible is not important; they all agree.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-10-23   22:00:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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