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Title: Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber
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URL Source: http://www.dispatch.com/live/conten ... s/2008/10/24/joe.html?sid=101
Published: Oct 24, 2008
Author: Randy Ludlow
Post Date: 2008-10-24 23:47:36 by Jethro Tull
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Comments: 19
Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber Investigators trying to determine whether access was illegal Friday, October 24, 2008 8:57 PM By Randy Ludlow The Columbus Dispatch "State and local officials are investigating if state and law-enforcement computer systems were illegally accessed when they were tapped for personal information about "Joe the Plumber." Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher became part of the national political lexicon Oct. 15 when Republican presidential candidate John McCain mentioned him frequently during his final debate with Democrat Barack Obama. The 34-year-old from the Toledo suburb of Holland is held out by McCain as an example of an American who would be harmed by Obama's tax proposals. Public records requested by The Dispatch disclose that information on Wurzelbacher's driver's license or his sport-utility vehicle was pulled from the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database three times shortly after the debate. Information on Wurzelbacher was accessed by accounts assigned to the office of Ohio Attorney General Nancy H. Rogers, the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency and the Toledo Police Department. It has not been determined who checked on Wurzelbacher, or why. Direct access to driver's license and vehicle registration information from BMV computers is restricted to legitimate law enforcement and government business. Paul Lindsay, Ohio spokesman for the McCain campaign, attempted to portray the inquiries as politically motivated. "It's outrageous to see how quickly Barack Obama's allies would abuse government power in an attempt to smear a private citizen who dared to ask a legitimate question," he said. Isaac Baker, Obama's Ohio spokesman, denounced Lindsay's statement as charges of desperation from a campaign running out of time. "Invasions of privacy should not be tolerated. If these records were accessed inappropriately, it had nothing to do with our campaign and should be investigated fully," he said. The attorney general's office is investigating if the access of Wuzelbacher's BMV information through the office's Ohio Law Enforcement Gateway computer system was unauthorized, said spokeswoman Jennifer Brindisi. "We're trying to pinpoint where it came from," she said. The investigation could become "criminal in nature," she said. Brindisi would not identify the account that pulled the information on Oct. 16. Records show it was a "test account" assigned to the information technology section of the attorney general's office, said Department of Public Safety spokesman Thomas Hunter. Brindisi later said investigators have confirmed that Wurzelbacher's information was not accessed within the attorney general's office. She declined to provide details. The office's test accounts are shared with and used by other law enforcement-related agencies, she said. On Oct. 17, BMV information on Wurzelbacher was obtained through an account used by the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency in Cleveland, records show. Mary Denihan, spokeswoman for the county agency, said the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services contacted the agency today and requested an investigation of the access to Wurzelbacher's information. Cuyahoga County court records do not show any child-support cases involving Wurzelbacher. The State Highway Patrol, which administers the Law Enforcement Automated Data System in Ohio, asked Toledo police to explain why it pulled BMV information on Wurzelbacher within 48 hours of the debate, Hunter said. The LEADS system also can be used to check for warrants and criminal histories, but such checks would not be reflected on the records obtained by The Dispatch. Sgt. Tim Campbell, a Toledo police spokesman, said he could not provide any information because the department only had learned of the State Highway Patrol inquiry today.
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Outrageous? It's about to become S.O.P. if these jackboots get in power.
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
Riiiiight. As opposed to those Constitution-loving law-abiding Republicans who abolished habeas corpus, posse comitatus and created Guantanamo Bay, before gutting the SEC, wiping out all oversight of Wall Street and then pushing through a nearly trillion dollar bailout of those same Wall Street gangsters. Oh, but now we're supposed to be all scared of Democrats doing "dirty tricks". Riiiight. Oh no! You mean the Democrats might be worse? One question: HOW? Seriously.
"It's outrageous to see how quickly Barack Obama's allies would abuse government power in an attempt to smear a private citizen who dared to ask a legitimate question,"
#2. To: Flintlock (#1)
 | Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#3. To: Elliott Jackalope (#2)
vote for monkey boy and save the class warfare stuff for somebody who cares.... Now run off you your union meeting before you get outsourced by a wetback.
Riiiiight.
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
#4. To: Jethro Tull, *libertarians*, *Jack-Booted Thugs* (#0)
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#5. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
This IS illegal, but we all know law doesn't matter anymore. Just like "jesus" Obama's in-your-face flaunting of the natural born citizen law, we're being greased up to get f***** in the ass.
Wurzelbacher's driver's license or his sport-utility vehicle was pulled from the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database three times shortly after the debate.
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#6. To: Flintlock (#3)
Answers like that do more harm to your cause than anything I could ever say. Thank you.
| Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#7. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Abuse of power, position or privilege has many participants and MSM is the biggest abuser. Politicians and police have their own agenda but the media has ways to lean on those people.
"We're trying to pinpoint where it came from," she said. The investigation could become "criminal in nature," she said. Brindisi would not identify the account that pulled the information on Oct. 16.
#8. To: Cynicom (#7)
Cyni, The MSM has been in the tank for the Dark One since he beat Hillary. The abuse we're about to see will make the former Soviet Union look free.
#9. To: Jethro Tull, all (#8)
I find it amusing yet troubling to read the postings of our white guilters that seem to have a frenetic need to unburden their souls, to cleanse themselves before the world. Sadly they post away, somewhat like a child that demands to be heard, never once being objective about what is coming from their own mind. It is almost as if they are trying to hide something.
#10. To: Elliott Jackalope (#2)
More show, less substance. Our rights are being eroded at every turn. Neocon scum though, don't like when their dirty tricks are used against them.
we're supposed to be all scared of Democrats doing "dirty tricks".
#11. To: Elliott Jackalope (#6)
Fess up, I'm sure you've no stranger to voting RAT. Now, get ready for the wetbacks to overrun you as soon as they get wind of obama's blanket amnesty.
blah, blah, blah
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
#12. To: Flintlock (#11) (Edited)
Right. Because, of course, the Republicans did SUCH a great job in cutting back illegal immigration. Ah yes, I remember well watching tens of thousands of employers of illegals being arrested, prosecuted and incarcerated for hiring illegals thanks to those ever-watchful Republicans. Oh... wait, that's right. There was about five "showboat" arrests done, very publicly, and that was... pretty much it. And those were in the last year. The previous seven years the Republicans did pretty much nothing about illegals, and why should they? Illegals are cheap to hire and help drive down wages for working people. Republicans love illegals just as much if not more than Democrats do. Oh, and remember that FIRST amnesty that passed? The one that happened on REAGAN'S watch? Bottom line, if my choice is to vote between RATS and PIGS..... I'll vote for neither, thank you. Both parties can burn in Hell as far as I'm concerned, but this time around, thanks to the loathsome George W. Bush and the truly heinous Dick Cheney I'm really hoping the Republicans get throughly routed at the polls this November. I'm reminded of the line from Vietnam, "We had to destroy the village in order to save it". Well, in this case, I'm thinking we are going to have to destroy the Republicans in order to save them.
| Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#13. To: Elliott Jackalope (#12) (Edited)
Elliott Let me share a little information with you. Unfortunately, Ronald Reagan's Alzheimer's disease started to manifest itself in his first term. By his second term, the disease had impaired him to the point where George(daddy)Bush was calling most of the shots. Do you ever wonder why Nancy Reagan and the Bushs don't speak, even to this day? While Ronald Reagan is now taking the blame for the amnesty, it was in fact Bush that made it policy. I can't blame you and I respect you for wanting to vote third party. I voted 3d party in 2004, but I did because I had the luxury of doing so. In 2004 the Republican party controlled Congress and the White House and I didn't think we'd lose both. Also, my State was sure to go to Kerry and my Congressional District was so gerrymandered (due to minority neighborhoods) that a conservative candidate would never be elected. I voted a straight Libertarian ticket with the exception of Keyes in the Senate race. Today we don't have that same luxury. The democrats control both houses of congress and if they get the White House too, we're going to get a radical swing to the left this country has never seen before. Let me outline what a 100% democrat government would give us. We're going to get: Leftist activist judges appointed to the federal bench like never before. Leftist Supreme Court Justices who will undermine the Constitution for the next 25 years or more. A blanket amnesty for illegals (McCain talks about a "path to citizenship", I don't know what that is but I don't think it's a blanket amnesty) A return of the "Fairness Doctrine" which will shut down talk radio and maybe even websites. Sweeping new gun laws, obama wants to ban .308 & .223 ammo for civilians Higher taxes for everybody Am I mad at the Republicans, yes, but I can't allow my emotions to override what I think is best for this country. I don't have the luxury this time to vote 3d party. IMO if the democrats take control of the entire government it will be catastrophic.
Oh, and remember that FIRST amnesty that passed? The one that happened on REAGAN'S watch?
Bottom line, if my choice is to vote between RATS and PIGS..... I'll vote for neither, thank you.
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
#14. To: Flintlock (#13)
Impossible ... we've already swung to the far left. This country is a socialist shit hole that remains afloat because it has a military advantage. Voting for any of the political scum is tantamount to condoning the system that produces them decade after decade. (McCain is a leftist RINO). Maybe if we veer into the further left lane far enough someone will fire the shot heard around the nation !!!
The democrats control both houses of congress and if they get the White House too, we're going to get a radical swing to the left this country has never seen before.
Many people would sooner die than think, in fact they do.
Bertrand Russell
#15. To: noone222 (#14)
More news every day from Afghan/Pakistan about bad people. Just in time for American intervention on a broader scale. And right in Chinas front yard, poke the Bear with a stick, jab the Dragon and we will get a response.
#16. To: Cynicom (#15)
Sure looks like it.
And right in Chinas front yard, poke the Bear with a stick, jab the Dragon and we will get a response.
Many people would sooner die than think, in fact they do.
Bertrand Russell
#17. To: Flintlock (#13)
McCain voted FOR Ginsburg Leftist Supreme Court Justices who will undermine the Constitution for the next 25 years or more. see above and look at McStain's 27 year liberal voting record. He hates conservatives and conservatism, and does not believe in small, limited government. There is no reason to believe that he would pick conservative justices. A blanket amnesty for illegals (McCain talks about a "path to citizenship", I don't know what that is but I don't think it's a blanket amnesty) McStain has been an advocate of blanket amnesty for illegals for more than a decade. His denial that his "path to citizenship" is not blanket amnesty rings hollow - to me at least. A return of the "Fairness Doctrine" which will shut down talk radio and maybe even websites. So we wouldn't be able to listen to the drivel of Republicrat butt-lickers who spend years berating Democans for doing things only to embrace those same things when their buddies take control? Be still my beating heart. I don't listen to the pieces of shit anyway. The government cannot stop the REAL truth from emerging. Sweeping new gun laws, obama wants to ban .308 & .223 ammo for civilians McStain recieved an F from both the GOA and the JPFA. Of course the NRA endorses him, but then the NRA has never seen a gun control bill they didn't like. There is the fact that the NRA stood silent during the Bush admin when the Republicrat party had complete control of government and allowed/encouraged the BATF to close down almost half of the gun delaters in these United States on little buillshit technicalities. See Red's Trading Post for an example. Higher taxes for everybody As opposed to McStain's growing the government the same amount as Obama and sticking a heaping helping of the bill upon our children and grandchildren. If the American people want the government to take carfe oif their every need, then someone has to pay for it. Maybe of the greatest parasite generation and their deviant baby boomer children were forced to pay for the shit they demand, they'd demand a little less. Am I mad at the Republicans, yes, but I can't allow my emotions to override what I think is best for this country. I don't have the luxury this time to vote 3d party. IMO if the democrats take control of the entire government it will be catastrophic. That's the same shit I've been hearing every election cycle since I cast my fiorst vote in 1984. While you are free to believe whatever it is you want, I'm not buying it anymore. I'm through with being browbeaten by fear into voting for a party of liars and frauds just another group of liars and frauds don't get elected. This is exactly what the two party fraud wants. The country will continue to move towards a leftist police state regardless of who is in office or has control of the Congress.
Leftist activist judges appointed to the federal bench like never before.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
#18. To: Hayek Fan (#17)
I'm curious, who did you vote for? You don't comment on obama's judicial appointments. Appointing liberal judges will effect policy for decades. Personally, I think it's a huge mistake to give the leftist democrats complete control of the government.
I cast my fiorst vote in 1984.
While you are free to believe whatever it is you want, I'm not buying it anymore. I'm through with being browbeaten by fear into voting for a party of liars and frauds just another group of liars and frauds don't get elected.
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
#19. To: Flintlock (#18)
Ronald Reagan You don't comment on obama's judicial appointments. Appointing liberal judges will effect policy for decades. Personally, I think it's a huge mistake to give the leftist democrats complete control of the government. What's to comment? It's a gimmie that he's going to appoint leftist's to the SC. I believe McStain will as well. Neither one of them are friends of freedom.
I'm curious, who did you vote for?
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
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