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Title: Vote Chuck Baldwin
Source: American Free Press
URL Source: http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...er_101308.html J
Published: Oct 25, 2008
Author: Chuck Baldwin
Post Date: 2008-10-25 10:08:18 by Hypocrisy Cop
Keywords: not federal, no reserves, not a bank
Views: 581
Comments: 23

John McCain Is a Liberal Gun Grabber

By Chuck Baldwin

The last thing we need is another liberal neocon in the White House. If the presidency of George W. Bush proved anything, it proved the hazard of electing phony Republican conservatives. At least one is able to clearly see a liberal for what he or she is when they have a "D" behind their name. But put an "R" behind the name and suddenly their liberal, Big-Government, anti-freedom agenda is barely recognized, which makes a liberal Republican much more dangerous than a liberal Democrat.

Let me say it straight out: a John McCain presidency would be far worse than a Barack Obama presidency. With a Democrat in the White House, conservatives and Christians suddenly find their principles and are able to offer resistance. Put a Republican in the Oval Office, however, and those same people become blind, deaf, and dumb to most any principle they profess.

Nowhere is McCain's chicanery and duplicity more jeopardous than in the area of the right to keep and bear arms. On issues relating to the Second Amendment, John McCain is a disaster! For example, the highly respected Gun Owners of America (GOA) rates McCain with a grade of F-. McCain's failing grade is well deserved.

John McCain sponsored an amendment to S. 1805 on March 2, 2004 that would outlaw the private sale of firearms at gun shows. According to GOA, the provision would effectively eliminate gun shows, because every member of an organization sponsoring a gun show could be imprisoned if the organization fails to notify each and every "person who attends the special firearms event of the requirements [under the Brady Law]."

John McCain also sponsored an Incumbent Protection provision to the so-called "Campaign Finance Reform" bill, which severely curtails the ability of outside groups (such as GOA) to communicate the actions of incumbent politicians to members and supporters prior to an election.

The GOA report of the 106th Congress reveals that out of 15 votes relating to the right to keep and bear arms, Senator John McCain voted favorably only 4 times. Put that into a percentage and McCain's pro-Second Amendment voting record is a pathetic 27%.

In addition, GOA warns that John McCain supported legislation that would force federal agents to increase efforts in arresting and convicting honest gun owners who may inadvertently violate one of the many federal anti-gun laws, which punish mere technicalities, such as gun possession.

For example, if John McCain's proposed legislation were to become law, a gun owner who travels with a gun through a school zone or who uses one of the family handguns to go target shooting with a 15-year old could be sent to prison. And a person who uses a gun for self-defense could be sent to prison for a mandatory minimum of five years.

But there is so much more to the McCain madness.

Former California State Senator H.L. "Bill" Richardson wrote this about John McCain, "He's [McCain's] proven his dislike for conservatives and would gut us at every opportunity.

"Why do I say that? Because of three decades of experience as a Republican California Senator and a fifty year activist in the conservative movement. I have first hand, in-their-face experience with elitist RINO's (Republican in Name Only) office holders. They are biblically ignorant, power hungry, status seeking egotists who have no difficulty aiding their liberal Democrat colleagues whenever their arms are politely twisted. The one thing they have in common with liberal Democrats is their dislike for all conservatives, especially those who are Bible-believing. McCain, as president, would stifle the voices of elected Republican leaders and try to legislate the conservative movement out of existence."

Senator Richardson went on to say that he would in no way vote for John McCain, if indeed McCain is the Republican nominee (which he obviously will be).

I wonder how many gun owners and other professing pro-freedom Americans have already fallen victim to McCain's phony conservative campaign? Do they not realize that they are giving a rope to the hangman? And that they--conservatives and gun owners--are the ones who McCain will send to the gallows? What is wrong with the American people these days? Have they not been betrayed enough by these phony conservative Republicans?

For example, President George W. Bush nominated Michael Sullivan to be Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. Sullivan is one of the nation's most rabid anti-gunners. GOA's Larry Pratt describes Sullivan as being "as anti-gun as Ted Kennedy." Honest gun owners, lawful firearms dealers, and law-abiding gun show operators could have no worse enemy within the federal government than Michael Sullivan. We could expect no worse from Hillary Clinton. And a John McCain Presidency would doubtless give us more of the same.

Gun owners (along with conservatives and Christians of all sorts) should be ashamed of themselves for allowing an angry, gun-grabbing liberal such as John McCain to become the presumptive Republican Presidential nominee, while rejecting the candidacy of one of America's most principled pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, pro-Constitution, and pro-freedom legislators of this generation: Congressman Ron Paul.

I say again, the last thing we need is another liberal neocon in the White House. John McCain may have an "R" behind his name, but he is just another establishment liberal: one America cannot afford.

Chuck Baldwin is a candidate for president of the United States on the Constitution Party ticket. Click here for his official campaign web site.

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Poster Comment:

I vote in Tennessee, a state that will go for McCain in the upcoming quadrennial ruse called the presidential election. Therefore, when I voted early this week I felt no pang to vote for the less evil of two Shabbos goyim, each of whom would heap further disaster on my race and nation.

Ron Paul endorsed Chuck Baldwin and, for what it's worth, that's good enough for me. I put aside things like Pastor Baldwin's completely gratuitous remark (to his flock of supportive christlings) about the "Biblically Ignorant," skipped over Obama's and McCain's name to cast my vote for Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party. I didn't even have to hold my nose. Baldwin's writings have never offended me.

I hope others on this discussion board will also vote for Baldwin and get others you network with to follow suit. Spread the word. Maybe 'boobus americanus' will see this time around that he still has an alternative to evil Shabbos goy collaborators that are served up as two best candidates to lead the nation.

Ron Paul woke up a lot of folks this election cycle. I never thought I'd see a serious presidential candidate advocate doing away with the Jew's central bank, the so-called Federal Reserve Bank (which is neither federal nor a bank). The Fed is a branch of the financial arm of the powerful International Jewish crime syndicate -- with nothing in "reserve," either, except the unconstitutional capacity to print boundless numbers of fiat notes, or shrinking U.S. dollars.

Ron Paul always rightly put deficit spending and the resulting shaky economy as the most important national issue, ahead of illegal immigration or abortion or the Iraqi invasion/occupation, as every presidential rival was campaigning either for or against. Dr. Paul accurately predicted the current depressive economic downturn, in spades, always the sober adult in a field of ignorant, highly suggestible children.

It's not over 'til it's over. If you vote, consider voting for Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party.

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#1. To: Hypocrisy Cop (#0)

He's not on the ballot in Texas. I'm not voting anyhow for ANYONE. I've finally added "voting" to the list of bad habits I've kicked, along with alcohol and smokeless tobacco.

The fact he is a Baptist pastor ipso facto should disqualify him. I've seen enough Baptist pastor charlatans (even if he isn't one of them) to steer clear of them.

I would not even want one on the city council.

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-10-25   10:13:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Sam Houston (#1)

He's not on the ballot in Texas. I'm not voting anyhow for ANYONE. I've finally added "voting" to the list of bad habits I've kicked, along with alcohol and smokeless tobacco.

The fact he is a Baptist pastor ipso facto should disqualify him. I've seen enough Baptist pastor charlatans (even if he isn't one of them) to steer clear of them.

Baldwin is also a supporter of the War on Drugs, which I believe to be incompatible with small government and the federal government as envisioned by the founding fathers. So, for a long time I felt the same way as you. I believe I even had arguments with people over it on F4um.

However, Dr. Paul now supports him, and that's good enough for me. I am hoping that he knows something about him that I do not. Besides that, I am convinced that Bob Barr is a Republican plant meant to split-up the Paul vote in order to keep our voices from being heard. I'll never be convinced that a lifelong conservative authoritarian like Bob Barr all of a sudden woke up one day and decided to change his government supremist beliefs and become an advocate for individual liberty. So for all the good it will do me, I'll now cast a vote for Baldwin.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-10-25   10:30:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Hayek Fan (#2)

Hayek Fan wrote:

To: Sam Houston

The fact he is a Baptist pastor ipso facto should disqualify him. I've seen enough Baptist pastor charlatans (even if he isn't one of them) to steer clear of them.

Baldwin is also a supporter of the War on Drugs, which I believe to be incompatible with small government and the federal government as envisioned by the founding fathers...

However, Dr. Paul now supports him, and that's good enough for me...

That's the attitude.

The type of government we have is a means, not an end. Phony wars on abstractions, whether they be Drugs, Poverty, Crime, Domestic Terror, or "Hate," can never be won in a free and open society. In a racially homogeneous state with a protective government, such "wars" against the citizenry are not necessary.

Our lily White founding stock left to their posterity -- that's us White folks, exclusively, BTW -- a government that IMPLICITLY held high the PRIMACY OF RACE. Those forefathers included provisions that looked out for long term interests of White Americans exclusively, sort of like what the racial homeland of Israel does for Yahweh's pets, those pesky Judeofascists.

Exercising one's freedom to associate only with his kind, if he so chooses, is not 'hate,' as Big Jew tells him so convincingly it is; it's merely Nature's built-in survival mechanism for the perpetuation of his particular, uniquely adapted subspecies. Our characteristic instincts have been judaized and turned against us. We no longer control our own destiny. We will find our racial character/memory again once we've straightened out the White Man's thinking.

PS. I'm with you on the Baptist ministers, Sam. I'm thinking Mike the Huckster and the way he shamelessly went after the Xling vote like a carney barker working a crowd of rubes. Never trust a Xian minister; any man who will lie to himself will certainly lie to you.

Hypocrisy Cop  posted on  2008-10-25   12:49:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Hypocrisy Cop (#4)

The type of government we have is a means, not an end. Phony wars on abstractions, whether they be Drugs, Poverty, Crime, Domestic Terror, or "Hate," can never be won in a free and open society. In a racially homogeneous state with a protective government, such "wars" against the citizenry are not necessary.

Our lily White founding stock left to their posterity -- that's us White folks, exclusively, BTW -- a government that IMPLICITLY held high the PRIMACY OF RACE. Those forefathers included provisions that looked out for long term interests of White Americans exclusively, sort of like what the racial homeland of Israel does for Yahweh's pets, those pesky Judeofascists.

Exercising one's freedom to associate only with his kind, if he so chooses, is not 'hate,' as Big Jew tells him so convincingly it is; it's merely Nature's built-in survival mechanism for the perpetuation of his particular, uniquely adapted subspecies. Our characteristic instincts have been judaized and turned against us. We no longer control our own destiny. We will find our racial character/memory again once we've straightened out the White Man's thinking.

You're welcome to your opinion, but considering I've been happily married to a Korean woman for seventeen years and have had three of the best children a man could ask for with her, I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you.

If this makes me a "race traitor" in yours or anyones else's eyes, I can live with that.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-10-25   15:30:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Hayek Fan (#5)

You're welcome to your opinion, but considering I've been happily married to a Korean woman for seventeen years and have had three of the best children a man could ask for with her, I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you.

If this makes me a "race traitor" in yours or anyones else's eyes, I can live with that.

You'll live with your decisions, all right. No need to be "afraid" of a racial loyalist or group thinker, like myself. You opted out of the White race when you willfully decided to bring multiple non-White children into the world. You are a proud miscegenationist. I get it.

Maybe Korea will accept your children after the revolution; maybe not. Koreans seem to take a dim view of race-mixing. See here for interesting commentary on the subject: www.amren.com/mtnews/arch...08/02/the_girl_in_the.php

I'll venture an educated guess and say you are probably a white man, Mr. Hayak fan, at least in appearance. You are obviously proud of your three 'happas (Korean for mongrel),' and you and they will certainly be more readily accepted here for the time being in rapidly miscegenated America than in homogeneous Korea. Whites are accepted there more so than Blacks, but still seen as an alien race. Koreans are more racist than White Americans when it comes to 1/2 Black 'happas' on Korean soil.

I can also surmise that you are a libertarian (small 'l'), conditioned to oppose collectives or groups (such as your own race) in favor of unbounded individual liberty to do whatever feels right to you, especially if it is in opposition to racial loyalists.

You are likely going to vote for Obama, the biracial candidate, to reinforce your own life choices now that fellow libertarian and Hayak fan Ron Paul has been eliminated from the race. At least, unlike ALL other presidential candidates, Dr. Paul openly opposed the insane birthright citizenship loophole. Don't forget that John McCain can trot out his adopted nigger daughter for effect, to prove that he's not an evil racist, and that he wants to flood America with tens of millions of new hominids who are incapable of making White babies, only more 'happas' of one stripe or another. He's as much a miscegenationist as is Obama -- just a bigger hypocrite. In the coming balkanization of the U.S. your 'happas,' and theirs, will find life more pleasant in the zone set aside for those who prefer miscegenation to living among their own kind. They'll have no choice. You've seen to that.

Hypocrisy Cop  posted on  2008-10-26   12:15:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Hypocrisy Cop (#6)

I've never voted for a democan in my life and haven't voted for a republicrat since 1984. I believe my very first post on this thread stated who I was voting for.

As for the rest of your drivel...yawn. You are a meaningless nobody who has no bearing on my life and whose opinions mean less than nothing. However, I do take great satisfaction in knowing that it pisses you off. I bet you had spittle all over your monitor by the time you were finished. Did you break your keyboard? LOL!

By the way Sparky, I live in Springfield, MO, so if you live anywhere near, please feel free to come on over start your race war with me.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-10-26   14:52:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Hayek Fan (#9)

Hayek Fan wrote:

To: Hypocrisy Cop

...You are a meaningless nobody who has no bearing on my life and whose opinions mean less than nothing. However, I do take great satisfaction in knowing that it pisses you off. I bet you had spittle all over your monitor by the time you were finished. Did you break your keyboard? LOL!

By the way Sparky, I live in Springfield, MO, so if you live anywhere near, please feel free to come on over start your race war with me.

Huh? Which of us is "pissed" at the other, and why?

You're the one who denies his own race, not I, sir. You're the one with the 'happas,' not I.

My ol' friend Frazier Glenn Miller lives down the road from you. You may have heard of him. He ran for Congress in your District. The Springfield Police murdered his son a few months ago. He can discuss your prospects in the coming racial conflagration with you from an informed point of view. I'm down here in the hills of East Tennessee, in a 98% White county where nobody has ever seen a 'happa.' You probably wouldn't do well here when TSHTF and one's skin becomes his uniform. Sorry to break that to you, HF.

Hypocrisy Cop  posted on  2008-10-26   16:39:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Hypocrisy Cop, Christine (#12)

You may have heard of him.

No I hadn't, but after doing some investigation here is what I have found:

...Just before the party collapsed, Miller was caught purchasing machine guns and rockets from a Fayetteville, NC military base, which led to criminal charges and his eventual role as federal informant.

Under pressure and investigation from the FBI, Miller became a federal informant against The Order and was a key government witness in the Fort Smith sedition trial, where he testified against men such as William Pierce of the National Alliance, Don Black of Stormfront and Richard Butler of the Aryan Nations.

He admitted to being a client of the Federal Witness Protection Program after he testified against former White Nationalist friends. He is denounced as a "race traitor" by a handful of prominent White Nationalist leaders, including Tom Metzger, Shaun Walker, Erich Gliebe, David Duke, Louis Beam, and Billy Roper, as well as incarcerated members of the Order...

...Some White Nationalists have accused Miller of continuing to be an informant of the Federal Government, and speculation is rife that his role in Vanguard News Network is that of informer and agent provocateur. Miller has often advocated extremist actions that are likely to land any activists undertaking them in jail...

http://www.answers.com/topic/glenn-miller-white-patriot-party

So, since he is your admitted buddy, one can't help but wonder whether or not you are also an agent provacateur working for the feds and posting on F4um in order to entrap people or get them to say things you can arrest them for.

Christine, you might want to keep an eye on this guys posts. It's a well known fact that the feds infiltrate and in some cases, take control of militia groups, white supremist groups, etc., etc.,and attempt to lead their members in to breaking the law. This bozo could be on f4um to do the same thing.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-10-26   18:39:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Hayek Fan (#14) (Edited)

To: Hypocrisy Cop, Christine (#12)

You may have heard of him.

No I hadn't, but after doing some investigation here is what I have found:

...Just before the party collapsed, Miller was caught purchasing machine guns and rockets from a Fayetteville, NC military base, which led to criminal charges and his eventual role as federal informant.

Under pressure and investigation from the FBI, Miller became a federal informant against The Order and was a key government witness in the Fort Smith sedition trial, where he testified against men such as William Pierce of the National Alliance, Don Black of Stormfront and Richard Butler of the Aryan Nations.

He admitted to being a client of the Federal Witness Protection Program after he testified against former White Nationalist friends. He is denounced as a "race traitor" by a handful of prominent White Nationalist leaders, including Tom Metzger, Shaun Walker, Erich Gliebe, David Duke, Louis Beam, and Billy Roper, as well as incarcerated members of the Order...

...Some White Nationalists have accused Miller of continuing to be an informant of the Federal Government, and speculation is rife that his role in Vanguard News Network is that of informer and agent provocateur. Miller has often advocated extremist actions that are likely to land any activists undertaking them in jail...

http://www.answers.com/topic/glenn-miller-white-patriot-party

So, since he is your admitted buddy, one can't help but wonder whether or not you are also an agent provacateur working for the feds and posting on F4um in order to entrap people or get them to say things you can arrest them for.

Christine, you might want to keep an eye on this guys posts. It's a well known fact that the feds infiltrate and in some cases, take control of militia groups, white supremist groups, etc., etc.,and attempt to lead their members in to breaking the law. This bozo could be on f4um to do the same thing.

What's a "white supemist," Hayek Fanatic?

I looks like your "investigation" of former Green Beret MSG Miller took you no further than your "hate group" watchdog ROLODEX. Which is your source, the Jewish queers at the ADL or the Jewish queers at the SPLC?

I have known and worked with and actually met with every single man mentioned in this last tirade of yours, except Louis Beam, and I've talked to him on the telephone. You don't know what you are talking about. Curb your bluster, Buster.

I'll invite Mr. Miller here to personally respond to your smear of him. You had better be loaded for bear rather than trot out your cut&paste http://'answers.com' tripe. Read up on Mr. Miller and get his side of things here: http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=3109

You'd be interested to know that before Mr. Miller became racially conscious, he sired a couple of Amerasian kids, while married to a Polynesian in his early years in the U.S. Army.

If you don't behave yourself, Hayek Fanatic, I'll entrap you and arrest you for being an alarmist idiot, crying all this agent provocateur nonsense. :o) The last man who accused me of being a JOG provocateur now owes me over $200,000 from a libel judgment I prevailed in. That was in the real world, friend, not as a result of some sort of cyberchat.

I have nothing to hide from anyone. I post here as Hypocrisy Cop but Christine and others know my given name.

Hypocrisy Cop  posted on  2008-10-26   21:30:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Hypocrisy Cop (#17)

to be accurate, i only know your first name.

christine  posted on  2008-10-26   21:46:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: christine (#18)

To: Hypocrisy Cop

to be accurate, i only know your first name.

That's accurate, Christine, but only because you forgot I had given you my full given name when I joined the board.

I understand. When it comes to remembering folks' names, especially those of new 'Net acquaintances, my forgetter works much better than yours. I rarely forget a face, however. Funny how that works.

Hypocrisy Cop  posted on  2008-10-28   17:44:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Hypocrisy Cop (#22)

i confess. you are correct. ;)

christine  posted on  2008-10-28   19:27:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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