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Title: Judge rejects Montco lawyer's bid to have Obama removed from ballot
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Philadelphia Daily News
URL Source: http://www.philly.com/dailynews/loc ... Obama_removed_from_ballot.html
Published: Oct 25, 2008
Author: By MICHAEL HINKELMAN
Post Date: 2008-10-25 10:44:09 by angle
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hinkelm@phillynews.com 215-854-2656 A federal judge in Philadelphia last night threw out a complaint by a Montgomery County lawyer who claimed that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was not qualified to be president and that his name should be removed from the Nov. 4 ballot. Philip J. Berg alleged in a complaint filed in federal district court on Aug. 21 against Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya. Berg claimed that the Democratic presidential standardbearer is not even an American citizen but a citizen of Indonesia and therefore ineligible to be president. He alleged that if Obama was permitted to run for president and subsequently found to be ineligible, he and other voters would be disenfranchised. U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick had denied Berg's request for a temporary restraining order on Aug. 22 but had not ruled on the merits of the suit until yesterday. Obama and the Democratic National Committee had asked Surrick to dismiss Berg's complaint in a court filing on Sept. 24. They said that Berg's claims were "ridiculous" and "patently false," that Berg had "no standing" to challenge the qualifications of a candidate for president because he had not shown the requisite harm to himself. Surrick agreed. In a 34-page memorandum and opinion, the judge said Berg's allegations of harm were "too vague and too attenuated" to confer standing on him or any other voters. Surrick ruled that Berg's attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion." The judge also said the harm Berg alleged did "not constitute an injury in fact" and Berg's arguments to the contrary "ventured into the unreasonable." For example, Berg had claimed that Obama's nomination deprived citizens of voting for Sen. Hillary Clinton in November. (Berg backed Clinton in the primaries.) Berg could not be reached for comment last night. Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, and the campaign posted a document issued by Hawaii on its Web site, fight thesmears.com, confirming his birth there. Berg said in court papers that the image was a forgery. The nonpartisan Web site FactCheck.org examined the original document and said it was legitimate. Further, a birth announcement in the Aug. 13, 1961, Honolulu Advertiser listed Obama's birth there on Aug. 4. *
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#19. To: Ferret Mike (#5)
Newspapers print birth announcements they are given, just like marriages. They don't do background checking on them. If your argument is that the Constitution no longer applies, please make that case. You will find support on this forum.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
In a "what caliber should I use to blow my brains out" kinda way... ;-)
Bring on the Depression. Bring it the F*** ON! If digging ditches and eating beans for a few years is what it takes for me to see some worthless sacks of crap bankers and politicians living in sack cloth and being spat upon by my fellow Americans well... where's my shovel?!?!
You say obama's silence is damning. I say perhaps the charges are ludicrous and not worthy of response. That's what I'm talking about.
Other than his grandmother and a couple of other witnesses who were in the delivery room in the hospital in Kenya where they said he was born? And keep in mind that the grandma in Africa is not the one he threw under the bus but ol' whitey--the one who pretty much raised his ungrateful ass--who he has gone to see now with big crocodile tears in his eyes.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. This case arose solely out of brain storming on how approach Swift Boating in regards to Obama and on what. I support the ruling, it makes good sense. There is no 'search for the truth,' there is recognition Swift Boating worked unfairly in Kerry, and a desire to repeat the success. That won't work with Barack Obama, he is way too formidable to not note what to watch for, and then figure out how to counter it. Barack Obama is going to be the 44th president of the United States and will serve eight years at the most. And he was born in Hawaii.
BHO's silence is damning enough evidence. I don't understand why Obama and McCain are not REQUIRED - from the get go - to produce a bona fide birth certificate to the Elections Commission and those birth certificates need to be made available to public scrutiny in the FEC's office. Screw Obama's silence. If Obama wants to be President of the USA, he needs to prove his eligibility. Period. I also believe that anyone who registers to vote in federal and state elections needs to produce proof of holding US CITIZENSHIP at the time of registration. On voting day, picture ID needs to be produced before a person is allowed to vote. Period. It violates every US citizen's rights when inelegible Pres candidates are allowed to run for the Oval Office and when non-US citizens are allowed to vote. I have no idea why legal organizations like the ACLU have not challenged the loosey-goosey practices that are allowed in America today. Holding elected office and voting are the two most important and formerly cherished aspects of US citizenship. Do any of you think the Founding Fathers would want non-citizens to vote or to run for public office?
This game exploits the fears of Islamic or native African exoticness, exacerbated by what racist culture still exists in the United States. There is no doubt enough at stake to make people take the risk of completely discrediting themselves with a slap suit like this one for some idiot to make a go at it. But this time around, Swift Boating is old news and a factor that is dealt with with competence and with very little fanfare, which is how it should be. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, John McCain was born in Panama. So one wild card in this bull shit game from the get go is that McCain himself is not native born. He just has fifty percent more American national blood as credentials to back up his claim be is not what the founders wanted excluded from the applicant pool for the presidency. Even if this fairy tale were to be true in some parallel universe somewhere. I say stop being cry babies and that if junkies can get help and get off of dope, Republicans can get help and get off of the quick and dirty fix called Swift Boating attacks. There is nothing about this case that deserves to be given standing.
LOL! Agreed, however, she is one who could claim damage and therefore have standing to file the suit.
I agree.
There is no honor in bending one's knee to the banking elites that are robbing the children you claim to love of their future. Soon they'll convince those very same children that you deserve to be eliminated ... and they may be right.
Proving natural born citizenship is required, what's ludicrous about asking for the birth certificate ?
There is no honor in bending one's knee to the banking elites that are robbing the children you claim to love of their future. Soon they'll convince those very same children that you deserve to be eliminated ... and they may be right.
Not if he doesn't meet the Constitutional requirements, he isn't. and there is no substantial proof as to where he was born that has been presented. If you guys try to force him and he doesn't meet the Constitutional requirements, then you issue a clarion call for Revolution. In face, you invite it and you demand it. Do you really want to go there? This whole issue could go away very quickly. The real question is what does Obama have to hide that he doesn't make it go away very quickly. What does he have in his closet that he doesn't make this issue disappear instantly? What other lies has he told? That's the problem. This issue could disappear instantly, only, for whatever reason, Obama chooses to let it fester and so it grows until it takes on a life of its own. If Obama can't respect the Constitution enough to establish his credentials, then no American should have any respect for him as President. The Obama campaign opened this can of worms trying to bounce McCain. Now Obama gets to feel the same. To make matters worse, you, Mike, took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Your candidate has not shown that he meets the Constitutional requirements to be elected President. YOU of all people should be demanding proof. Or was your oath nothing, just "mere words" that you uttered and are devoid of any meaning?
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
Not if he doesn't meet the Constitutional requirements, he isn't. and there is no substantial proof as to where he was born that has been presented. If you guys try to force him and he doesn't meet the Constitutional requirements, then you issue a clarion call for Revolution. In face, you invite it and you demand it. Do you really want to go there? This whole issue could go away very quickly. The real question is what does Obama have to hide that he doesn't make it go away very quickly. What does he have in his closet that he doesn't make this issue disappear instantly? What other lies has he told? That's the problem. This issue could disappear instantly, only, for whatever reason, Obama chooses to let it fester and so it grows until it takes on a life of its own. If Obama can't respect the Constitution enough to establish his credentials, then no American should have any respect for him as President. Obama is obviously hiding something! Title: SPACE RESERVED FOR NEWS ON COURT ORDER (BERG Vs. OBAMA)
That much is the only thing that is perfectly clear.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Concur. People are so desperate for anything other than what they have currently that they are willing to take anything and aren't vetting properly. Last time the voters did this, we got Carter then Reagan. Looks like we're about to see a repeat.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
I don't even have any respect for him as an individual, let alone President. If he is elected I believe he will prove to be worse than Bush before the first year is over. And that is something I don't say lightly because I didn't think it could get any worse than Clinton but Bush proved me wrong. And I think Obama will be a disaster for this country. I think the same is true of McCain but at least everyone KNOWS that McCain is an actual American citizen. Lots of us aren't that sure about Obama and he doesn't care enough to end the controversy. And you gotta wonder what it is in his background that is so bad that he is going to these lengths to hide it. Is it just the fact that he is not really a citizen or is it because his "uncle Frank" is in reality his old man?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. What bothers me is that there is no "real choice" in the Presidential race, at least not if one wishes to affect the outcome. On either side, people are not going to be voting for a candidate they really want, but rather, they are voting AGAINST one or the other. Obama continues to run against Bush. Third parties will take the "Both of you - OUT!" votes. ...but nobody is voting for a candidate they say "Yes, this person would make an excellent President" for that reason. Not even 4um's Obama fanatics are taking that road. They just don't want McCain and that is their primary motivator.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
Actually, there is one guy running that I would gladly vote for and I do believe would be an excellent President. Chuck Baldwin. But he didn't make the ballot in this state and they don't count write in votes. When he was still in the race, Ron Paul was my choice and I have always liked Ron. The only chance I have ever had to vote for him was when he ran as a Libertarian in '88 and I voted for him then. Been a LONG time since I voted for any establishment whore and I am not going to mess that up this year by voting for either of their hand-picked losers who have sold us out.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Amen.
I voted for Dr. Paul in the primary myself and would prefer him to any of the folks running for President, whether they are on the ballot or not at this present time. My vote went third-party once again. I've only voted "establishment" for President once, and not since.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
That of course explains why Oh'bummer will not, cannot, produce a valid proof of Birth. As well that does not even settle the situation in Indonesia and the likely possibility that his citizenship, if he ever qualified, was discarded to become an Indonesian citizen. Face it Mike Oh'bummer is bad news. Since like the, unlamented Robin, you are probably a single issue, Government Hellthcare, voter and getting Oh'Bummer only guarantees that the Pharmaceutical Companies will dictate your Hellthcare and you'll get the eugenics general human extermination program the insane cabal that owns Oh'bummer wants. Don't forget Big Pharma has supported Oh'bummer at a rate of about 5 to 1 in campaign bribes over McScrewball. At least with McNutz we likely get gridlock. Desirable from my perspective on slowing down the Police State set up under Bush-Clinton-Bush.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
If elected POUSA how will he get a security clearance??
Since you mentioned it (swift boating), I thought I might respond. If you wanted to look back at the Bush/Kerry election cycle, you would see that I never uttered a word about Kerry. And, if I did it wasn't about swift boats or anything that would indicate any difference between him and Bush. (I have always hated Bush and Kerry). Obama is the most dangerous affront to the American way of life I have ever witnessed. He's a communist. He has no respect for the law or the Constitution that he will swear to uphold and defend should he be elected. His first utterances as President will be blatant lies, and afterwards it will get far worse, it generally does. A simple thing like showing the American people that he was born in the U.S. in order to prove he qualifies for the office shouldn't be too difficult. The fact that he refuses to do this simple task indicates that the birth certificate doesn't exist or there is something about the document that he wishes to keep secret. If the birth certificate indicates that his father was someone besides what we've been told, who cares, it doesn't eliminate him as a potential president. If he feels this information is too important to reveal and then chooses to keep the information secret he should withdraw from the race. Frankly, all of the candidates are criminals, but to watch this man flaunt the laws and the Constitution prior to achieving office is beyond scary, it's insanity. I would readily admit that Bush has destroyed the Republican Party and the country if it hadn't already been destroyed before his arrival and he was just adding the necessary police state legal planks for someone like Obama to implement.
and then it opens the door for "the terminator" good post, doug.
God, you're optimistic, thinking this crap can continue through an Obama administration before the terminator could ascend the throne. (The terminator's foreign birth is well known, but Obama's raid could set a precedent that could cause the crooked courts to rule in his favor or the CONgress could try to amend the CONstitution ... nothing can be ruled out because the PTB seem intent upon declaring openly their agenda to overthrow the country.)
b. I would readily admit that Bush has destroyed the Republican Party and the country if it hadn't already been destroyed before his arrival and he was just adding the necessary police state legal planks for someone like Obama to implement. a. I wholeheartedly agree with you. Obama should have VOLUNTEERED to produce his birth certificate for public scrutiny months ago. Ditto for McCain. Both candidates are running for the most powerful ELECTED position in our nation. It is absolutely essential that the electorate ( not friggin's Dem or Republican parties) be satisfied that the candidates satisfy Constitutional requirements to assume office. Mike, you used to have what I considered a reasonable and sensible mind. How partisan and blind you are showing yourself to be about Obama and this issue of his eligibility to run for US President. You realize of course that each President recites the following oath at inauguration and in accordance with Article II, Section of the US Constitution: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." Preserving and protecting and defending THE CONSTITUTION are vital responsibilities of the Office of President and so it follows that it is vital that any candidate running for this constitutionally enshrined office needs to show beyond any shadow of doubt to the US electorate at large, proof of US citizenship and eligibility to run for this office. Whether you or I like it or not, John McCain's 1936 birth to 2 US citizens on a military base in the Panama Canal zone makes him eligible to run as a US Presidential candidate per US Code: www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1403.html TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1403 § 1403. Persons born in the Canal Zone or Republic of Panama on or after February 26, 1904 (a) Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States. As to Barack Obama his eligibility is highly suspect and that's why he needs to produce his birth certificate to allay concerns. It has zero to do with "Swift boating" Obama because he had a Muslim father. Rather it has all to do with Obama's mother and her eligibility to pass on US citizenship to her son under US law at the time. And the person formally questioning Obama's eligibility is a life long Democrat, Philip Berg, not someone from the Republican Party, another fact that defuses your notion that Obama is being "swift boated." Here's some cut and paste from various sites that summarize the issues. ...the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama’s mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him... ...Plaintiff Berg is seeking redress from his being denied the opportunity to vote for a Democratic candidate who could legally serve as the president of the United States. This suit demonstrates that all U.S. voters are being denied this opportunity. To preclude a looming national crisis, Berg asked the court, in his suit initiated on August 21, 2008, to order that Obama and the Democratic National Committee produce numerous documents relating to the candidate’s citizenship. ... So far, Obama and the DNC have attempted to stall, sideline, and defeat Berg’s simplest request: that the candidate produce, in particular, an officially verified, crimp-sealed photocopy of Obama’s original, unabridged birth certificate. If an original exists, it would have been signed in ink at the actual time of Obama’s birth by the doctor and administrator in the Honolulu hospital Obama claims as his place of birth. This long-form birth certificate would be expected to include other detailed information typical of such a document. The short-form certificate displayed on Obama’s official Website is not such a document. In fact, hard as this may be to believe, it is likely an altered version of a Hawaii document referencing the birth of Obama’s half-sister. Obama’s mother, then a U.S. citizen, resided while pregnant in Kenya during her brief marriage to Obama’s natural father, a citizen of Kenya. Berg states he has proof that in 1961, Obama’s mother, because of her very late-stage pregnancy, was denied permission to board a flight from Kenya to Hawaii. She was only able to go to Hawaii after Obama had been born, at which point she attempted to “register” his birth. Berg states he can verify that Obama was in fact born in Kenya. In addition, Obama’s mother, because of her young age, did not meet the residency requirements under U.S. law to give her child U.S. citizenship. Berg claims that even were Obama to prove a status of “natural born citizen,” he lost that citizenship at age five when, according to Berg’s documentation, Obama’s divorced mother remarried and moved to Indonesia. Mother and son both became Indonesian citizens. The laws at that time required his mother to renounce her U.S. citizenship and thus that of her son.... b. Indeed. That's by the Dems were W's willing partners in the course of the last 8 years, the last 2 years when the Dems held the majority in the House and Congress are the most damning of this complicity.
Oops, I meant to ping you rather than Ada as a response to your previous message to me.
Look, the Obama cat will be disqualified and we will end up with Biden and then the race riots will proceed apace..
A year ago I would have been dismissive of such a prediction, but what other reason is there for an ineligible Pres candidate, who happens to be black, to run and then be turned aside when ineligibility is demonstrated? This together with the fact that arguably the best qualified Dem candidate - a US citizen Caucasian woman - was not chosen to be the Dem's Pres candidate is most unsettling.
Okay is there a possibility that this is all political Jerry Springer show and that ultimatly Junior will declare himself dictator for life? Can we rule that scenario out?
Everyone's assumptions as to how this matter woulda, shoulda or coulda been settled are based largely on the Constitution, WHICH DOESN'T EXIST.
Huh??
Can we rule that scenario out? No. He's a mad man who'd like nothing better than to be dictator.
The "federal" government is a commercial environment that operates strictly upon commercial/contract law. All discussion about the Constitution is hogwash for the consumption of idiots (us). Just like this case (and all others based 100% upon the Constitution) was dismissed without ordering that Obama must be a natural born American to be President and prove it, the court spewed a lot of nonsense about Berg not having standing to (sue) request such information and thereby the court lacked jurisdiction to grant Bergs claims. The "federal" government is not the National Government founded upon the Constitution (like most think it is because a charade is played out by politicians). It's "federal" and its boundaries while being invisible extend to every place that relies upon federal reserve notes to conduct business. It's easier to say it this way: Anywhere they use FRNs to conduct business is not a Constitutional location. The Constitution prohibits commercial paper as legal tender for debts. That's why I continually harp on the "funny money" and associated creation of credit ... which is consuming the country.
Huh?? The constitution is de facto dead. Or, at the very least it's no impediment to good govt as these mad tyrants understand it. Once a judge ruled that Art 1 sec 10 (which mandates gold and silver as lawful money) was "superfluous" the constitution caught the flu, and after the signing statements, Patriot Act, renditions, denial of counsel and trial by jury, electronic eavesdropping without warrants, Ruby Ridge, Waco, OKC and 9/11, well, let's just say that all of the politicians, judges and armed agents who secretly resented being public servants have taken to this new tyranny like ducks to water. They're just another armed warlord gang and the only way to compel them to respect our rights is with force, and the American people just don't have the stomach for that. Most voters are seniors on the dole and they couldn't care less about abstract constitutional violations that don't affect them. They want the federal govt to continue so those SS checks will keep coming, and they don't care how many SWAT raids are pulled against dissidents, patriots, etc.,. In fact they're all for war if it keeps the govt happy and those checks keep coming to them. And, the govt is careful never to imply that social security or Medicare must be cut to pay for war. Oh no, no matter how much debt accrues that won't happen, and in so doing they buy the silent assent of the largest (and most corrupt) voting demographic.
When is duck season ???
October through January.
Okay but none of the seniors are gonna be real happy when they find out Obemebas health care plan recquires them to be euthanized..
Well, the govt may blame a bad flu vaccine just as they did in the winter of 70-71. There's no reason to announce the plan to the gullible people. Many won't take another flu shot so, it'll require a killer flu or other bug to finish them off....
"Now I know what Jesus was going through!"__Aileen Wuornos
That's strange you mention flu shot because getting one this has sure been promoted by everyone. Even at the apt complex where I live they are giving free shots and they have never ever done that!! What happened in 1970-71?
What happened in 1970-71? The winter of 70-71 the flu shot killed more people than the flu and I nearly lost my mother. It was an "oopsie" the govt claimed, when a live strain was accidentally substituted for an attenuated one. (and, needless to say no one went to jail or was punished) That is the exact mechanism they will use again. And, do you remember this? It was an error with potentially devastating consequences. Last September, Meridian Bioscience, a medical company, began sending out more than 3,700 virus-test kits to labs throughout the United States and 18 other countries--all part of a routine quality-assurance program to ensure that such facilities are accurately identifying biological agents. Problem is, the kits included a deadly flu strain that had killed more than 1 million people in the 1957 "Asian flu" pandemic. So, it can either be an accident by our govt, an act of "terrorism" or a vehicle collision that releases the deadly strain(s). And now This: "Now I know what Jesus was going through!"__Aileen Wuornos
Fair notice, I never bozo, but I am done with fantasy birth threads. I have no interest in wasting my time with them. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. Jerk yourselves off on this crap without me, I answer no pings any more to these garbage threads on this topic.
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#20. To: farmfriend (#11)
Hillary would be a better choice.
#21. To: lodwick (#17)
I don't know what you're talking about.
#22. To: Rhino369 (#14)
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There isn't one shred of evidence that anyone can back up that Obama was born anywhere other than in Honolulu.
Lord Acton
#23. To: mirage (#19)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#24. To: lodwick, Ferret Mike, angle, vast (#8)
His black grandmother says that she remembers his birth in Kenya.
#25. To: scrapper2 (#24)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#26. To: Axenolith (#20)
In a "what caliber should I use to blow my brains out" kinda way... ;-)
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#27. To: angle (#7)
Hounddawg made a good analysis of this lawsuit
#28. To: angle (#21)
I say perhaps the charges are ludicrous
#29. To: Ferret Mike (#23)
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Barack Obama is going to be the 44th president of the United States and will serve eight years at the most. And he was born in Hawaii.
#30. To: mirage, Ferret Mike, ALL (#29)
Barack Obama is going to be the 44th president of the United States and will serve eight years at the most. And he was born in Hawaii.
#31. To: TwentyTwelve, mirage, Ferret Mike (#30)
Obama is obviously hiding something!
#32. To: Original_Intent (#31)
Obama is obviously hiding something!
That much is the only thing that is perfectly clear.
#33. To: mirage (#29)
If Obama can't respect the Constitution enough to establish his credentials, then no American should have any respect for him as President.
Lord Acton
#34. To: James Deffenbach (#33)
McCain will suck up the votes of those who can't stand Obama or don't like that kind of campaigning.
#35. To: mirage (#34)
...but nobody is voting for a candidate they say "Yes, this person would make an excellent President" for that reason. Not even 4um's Obama fanatics are taking that road. They just don't want McCain and that is their primary motivator.
Lord Acton
#36. To: James Deffenbach (#35)
Been a LONG time since I voted for any establishment whore and I am not going to mess that up this year by voting for either of their hand-picked losers who have sold us out.
#37. To: James Deffenbach (#35)
#38. To: Ferret Mike (#25)
There is nothing about this case that deserves to be given standing.
#39. To: scrapper2 (#24)
If Obama wants to be President of the USA, he needs to prove his eligibility. Period.
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#25)
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But this time around, Swift Boating is old news
#41. To: noone222 (#40)
Frankly, all of the candidates are criminals, but to watch this man flaunt the laws and the Constitution prior to achieving office is beyond scary, it's insanity. I would readily admit that Bush has destroyed the Republican Party and the country if hadn't already been destroyed before his arrival and he was just adding the necessary police state legal planks for someone like Obama to implement.
#42. To: christine (#41)
and then it opens the door for "the terminator"
#43. To: noone222, Ferret Mike, Ada (#40)
a. Frankly, all of the candidates are criminals, but to watch this man flaunt the laws and the Constitution prior to achieving office is beyond scary, it's insanity.
#44. To: Lady X (#43)
#45. To: scrapper2 (#44)
#46. To: Lady X, farm friend, Original_Intent, Ferret Mike, angle (#45)
Look, the Obama cat will be disqualified and we will end up with Biden and then the race riots will proceed apace..
#47. To: scrapper2, bluegrass, HOUNDDAWG, lodwick, Jethro Tull (#46)
#48. To: scrapper2, Lady X, farm friend, Original_Intent, Ferret Mike, angle (#46)
#49. To: noone222 (#48)
Everyone's assumptions as to how this matter woulda, shoulda or coulda been settled are based largely on the Constitution, WHICH DOESN'T EXIST.
#50. To: Lady X (#47)
Okay is there a possibility that this is all political Jerry Springer show and that ultimatly Junior will declare himself dictator for life?
#51. To: Lady X (#49)
(Edited)
Huh??
#52. To: Lady X, noone222 (#49)
Everyone's assumptions as to how this matter woulda, shoulda or coulda been settled are based largely on the Constitution, WHICH DOESN'T EXIST.
#53. To: HOUNDDAWG (#52)
well, let's just say that all of the politicians, judges and armed agents who secretly resented being public servants have taken to this new tyranny like ducks to water.
#54. To: noone222 (#53)
#55. To: HOUNDDAWG (#52)
#56. To: Lady X (#55)
Okay but none of the seniors are gonna be real happy when they find out Obemebas health care plan recquires them to be euthanized..
#57. To: HOUNDDAWG (#56)
#58. To: Lady X (#57)
(Edited)
That's strange you mention flu shot because getting one this has sure been promoted by everyone. Even at the apt complex where I live they are giving free shots and they have never ever done that!!
#59. To: Original_Intent (#38)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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