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Title: Judge rejects Montco lawyer's bid to have Obama removed from ballot
Source: Philadelphia Daily News
URL Source: http://www.philly.com/dailynews/loc ... Obama_removed_from_ballot.html
Published: Oct 25, 2008
Author: By MICHAEL HINKELMAN
Post Date: 2008-10-25 10:44:09 by angle
Keywords: None
Views: 2376
Comments: 88

hinkelm@phillynews.com 215-854-2656

A federal judge in Philadelphia last night threw out a complaint by a Montgomery County lawyer who claimed that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was not qualified to be president and that his name should be removed from the Nov. 4 ballot. Philip J. Berg alleged in a complaint filed in federal district court on Aug. 21 against Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya.

Berg claimed that the Democratic presidential standardbearer is not even an American citizen but a citizen of Indonesia and therefore ineligible to be president.

He alleged that if Obama was permitted to run for president and subsequently found to be ineligible, he and other voters would be disenfranchised.

U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick had denied Berg's request for a temporary restraining order on Aug. 22 but had not ruled on the merits of the suit until yesterday.

Obama and the Democratic National Committee had asked Surrick to dismiss Berg's complaint in a court filing on Sept. 24.

They said that Berg's claims were "ridiculous" and "patently false," that Berg had "no standing" to challenge the qualifications of a candidate for president because he had not shown the requisite harm to himself.

Surrick agreed.

In a 34-page memorandum and opinion, the judge said Berg's allegations of harm were "too vague and too attenuated" to confer standing on him or any other voters.

Surrick ruled that Berg's attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."

The judge also said the harm Berg alleged did "not constitute an injury in fact" and Berg's arguments to the contrary "ventured into the unreasonable."

For example, Berg had claimed that Obama's nomination deprived citizens of voting for Sen. Hillary Clinton in November. (Berg backed Clinton in the primaries.)

Berg could not be reached for comment last night.

Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, and the campaign posted a document issued by Hawaii on its Web site, fight thesmears.com, confirming his birth there.

Berg said in court papers that the image was a forgery.

The nonpartisan Web site FactCheck.org examined the original document and said it was legitimate.

Further, a birth announcement in the Aug. 13, 1961, Honolulu Advertiser listed Obama's birth there on Aug. 4. *

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Truth takes it in the shorts, again.

Lod  posted on  2008-10-25   11:27:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"Further, a birth announcement in the Aug. 13, 1961, Honolulu Advertiser listed Obama's birth there on Aug. 4."

You can't hide this. I'm sure that it's unlikely any newsprint from that year is doing well in Hawaii, but I'm also sure microfiche copies exist of this newspaper page. Remember, once microfiche has been imprinted, it is unalterable.

Any alterations would be obvious even if it were possible. Not to mention, more then one microfiche of this is more likely then not to exist.

I always knew this was a bullshit suit, but if this idiot is so sure of himself - and I'm sure he's aware of his con - he can easily prove whether or not this is true about the newspaper record of this, even with no access to the original birth certificate himself.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-25   12:26:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

His black grandmother says that she remembers his birth in Kenya.

BHO's silence is damning enough evidence.

Lod  posted on  2008-10-25   12:39:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

His black grandmother says that she remembers his birth in Kenya.

BHO's silence is damning enough evidence.

I don't understand why Obama and McCain are not REQUIRED - from the get go - to produce a bona fide birth certificate to the Elections Commission and those birth certificates need to be made available to public scrutiny in the FEC's office. Screw Obama's silence. If Obama wants to be President of the USA, he needs to prove his eligibility. Period.

I also believe that anyone who registers to vote in federal and state elections needs to produce proof of holding US CITIZENSHIP at the time of registration. On voting day, picture ID needs to be produced before a person is allowed to vote. Period.

It violates every US citizen's rights when inelegible Pres candidates are allowed to run for the Oval Office and when non-US citizens are allowed to vote. I have no idea why legal organizations like the ACLU have not challenged the loosey-goosey practices that are allowed in America today. Holding elected office and voting are the two most important and formerly cherished aspects of US citizenship. Do any of you think the Founding Fathers would want non-citizens to vote or to run for public office?

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-25   15:04:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This game exploits the fears of Islamic or native African exoticness, exacerbated by what racist culture still exists in the United States.

There is no doubt enough at stake to make people take the risk of completely discrediting themselves with a slap suit like this one for some idiot to make a go at it.

But this time around, Swift Boating is old news and a factor that is dealt with with competence and with very little fanfare, which is how it should be.

Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, John McCain was born in Panama. So one wild card in this bull shit game from the get go is that McCain himself is not native born.

He just has fifty percent more American national blood as credentials to back up his claim be is not what the founders wanted excluded from the applicant pool for the presidency. Even if this fairy tale were to be true in some parallel universe somewhere.

I say stop being cry babies and that if junkies can get help and get off of dope, Republicans can get help and get off of the quick and dirty fix called Swift Boating attacks.

There is nothing about this case that deserves to be given standing.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-25   15:43:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

There is nothing about this case that deserves to be given standing.

That of course explains why Oh'bummer will not, cannot, produce a valid proof of Birth.

As well that does not even settle the situation in Indonesia and the likely possibility that his citizenship, if he ever qualified, was discarded to become an Indonesian citizen.

Face it Mike Oh'bummer is bad news. Since like the, unlamented Robin, you are probably a single issue, Government Hellthcare, voter and getting Oh'Bummer only guarantees that the Pharmaceutical Companies will dictate your Hellthcare and you'll get the eugenics general human extermination program the insane cabal that owns Oh'bummer wants. Don't forget Big Pharma has supported Oh'bummer at a rate of about 5 to 1 in campaign bribes over McScrewball.

At least with McNutz we likely get gridlock. Desirable from my perspective on slowing down the Police State set up under Bush-Clinton-Bush.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-27   11:19:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Fair notice, I never bozo, but I am done with fantasy birth threads. I have no interest in wasting my time with them. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. Jerk yourselves off on this crap without me, I answer no pings any more to these garbage threads on this topic.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-30   23:37:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Fair notice, I never bozo, but I am done with fantasy birth threads. I have no interest in wasting my time with them. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. Jerk yourselves off on this crap without me, I answer no pings any more to these garbage threads on this topic.

You are simply avoiding the issues.

Even without the likelyhood of a foreign birth being covered up - which you are in adamant denial on - "you can't make me look, you can't, you can't, you can't" ... There are plenty of question marks regarding the Obamessiah and how he was rapidly built up and presented as a candidate from nowhere. That of course fits the "Silver Blaze" criterion: "But Holmes the dog did not bark in the night." "Exactly Watson and that is what was curious."

Either you can continue to live in denial or you can confront reality however harsh it might seem. I much prefer living in reality however grim it may now be. The only way the course can be righted is to first confront reality and see things as they are not as you would wish them to be.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-31   0:39:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"You are simply avoiding the issues."

Read my lips thick headed one, I--D-O-N'T--B-U-Y--T-H-E--L-I-E.

Quite simply, the story is bull shit. You are a loon if you swallow it, and that is a personal problem of yours' I don't have any interest in.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-31   5:37:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Read my lips thick headed one, I--D-O-N'T--B-U-Y--T-H-E--L-I-E.

Quite simply, the story is bull shit.

And you know this to be true how?

I am not so much arguing it to be true as pointing out that there is insufficient evidence to substantiate it, and that the actions of the principal parties is such as to suggest that they are hiding something. What that hidden something is I cannot state because is in fact being hidden.

In approaching any question of fact I attempt to apply principles of sound reasoning regardless of how I would "prefer to believe". Churchill, whatever his failings, was known to turn a good phrase. "Truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it and ignorance may deride it, but, in the end, there it is. ..." That which is true remains true regardless of how we would fool ourselves and prefer to believe something else. Not desiring the truth, or not knowing it, results in false conclusions. I do not like false conclusions as they have a nasty way of biting.

The evidences presented so far are such as to strongly suggest that the manner and place of his birth is being covered over.

Why would they do that if all is on the "up and up"?

It is not even my argument that McNutz is a better man. He's not.

I do however, care about the rule of law, and that "goddamn piece of paper" which we laughingly call a Constitution.

If he is not qualified per the Constitution, and if that is the case it would seem to knowingly so, what does that say about Oh'Bummer's respect for the rule of law?

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-31   10:43:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Some of you loathe Barack Obama and want a scapegoat to be a whipping boy for your angst. I am here to tell you that is not me. I come here to engage in lively discussion on politics and the issues and have done so here a few years now. In fact I've been doing this since I joined 'The Well' in 1995 and had a incredibly wonderful time on an open forum with liberals and conservatives who actually made community and got along at Time.com/Politics.

This is the first forum I have established myself on as an interlocutor in good standing where that standing is disregarded because some people need a scapegoat.

At Time.com/Politics, if you called someone a fascist, communist, socialist, or whatever that was a blanket, generic accusation to try to win an argument or somehow taint your opponent with it, we all defaulted to a rule named after Tom Mandel who developed it.

We would call 'Mandel Rule,' and by common consent the argument was over. The intellectually lazy and malicious person doing the broad brush accusation would back off, and real, meaningful discussion would replace the foolish, "you are a commie!!!" "Am not!!!" "You are!!!" etc.

OI, understand this, I absolutely positively and with no reservation do not find this desperation gambit you hawk credible or believable. And if I don't want to play on the hamster wheel with you, honor that.

Rotara and Flintlock, both of you have made your fucking point you don't like me. That is your perogerative. It is not your job though to try to drive me away or try to rattle my cage with a constant barrage of posts.

Christine, I respect you and like you, but I am here to talk issues, politics and current events. I am not here to play games with these two jerks who have no sense of propriety or respect for anyone with whom they stoutly disagree with.

I also have the right to roll my eyes at a foolish topic like the birth place fairy tale and not post on it, much as we all wish BeaChooser had done the same with 9-11 when he made it clear he felt the same way about that topic, but refused to stop disrupting the discussion.

Enjoy your discussion on that topic, but I am not going into it when all that would happen is I would be obliged to act like BeaChooser after a very short time dealing with it.

I am quite serious, I am giving you an honest answer; I absolutely do not believe that crap and don't want to talk about fantasy bullshit like that.

I also am done trading insults with R and F. I left high school decades ago, that is where those childish tactics belong. These two need to grow up.

I can come keep coming down to their level and bitch slap them about it, but that is perpetuating nothing good or positive in this forum. That is not what I come on line to do in this forum.

As per the mission statement of this forum, I have a right to be here, and so do you. Everyone needs to remember that, and honor this.

Mike McCarthy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-31   11:54:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

OI, understand this, I absolutely positively and with no reservation do not find this desperation gambit you hawk credible or believable. And if I don't want to play on the hamster wheel with you, honor that.

No desperation here. I loathe both of the two candidates put up by our Plutocratic Oligarch's equally, and I hate no one - not even them.

However, I do not see my question as unreasonable, particularly given your assertions.

I am simply exploring, and directing your attention, to the key question:

Upon what basis do you accept the denials of the validity of the question as regards Obama's personal history? It is either true or false. If you accept the denials as true you then either do so upon facts which you can point to or it is simply your personal preference to believe it regardless of facts. At this point the evidences, as demonstrated by the various players, suggests that the representations made by Obama are false.

The only attestation to their validity is one document, which is not a "Birth Certificate" but a "Record of Live Birth" which is a significant factual distinction, followed by attacks, legal maneuvers to avoid the question, and character attacks upon those who raise the question.

These are all red flags which suggest that an address to the facts would be damaging.

Yes, I do loathe Obama - as I do McCain, but that is not the point in a matter of factual issues. The question is one of facts and truth not my personal opinion. I have at no point addressed you other than as one adult to another, despite our disagreements, so your attempt to obfuscate by referencing someone else's personal attacks on some other forum have no factual relevance to the question at hand. As well referencing the personal attacks of other posters at other times has no bearing or relevance upon my questions and comments.

You have made an assertion of fact and I am simply exploring the question of: Upon what factual basis do you make that assertion?

You are avoiding that question. Why?

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-31   12:12:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I am simply exploring, and directing your attention, to the key question:

Upon what basis do you accept the denials of the validity of the question as regards Obama's personal history? It is either true or false. If you accept the denials as true you then either do so upon facts which you can point to or it is simply your personal preference to believe it regardless of facts. At this point the evidences, as demonstrated by the various players, suggests that the representations made by Obama are false.

An excellent post. The Obamaphiles are not big on truth, at least they don't seem to expect it from their messiah.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-31   23:41:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

An excellent post. The Obamaphiles are not big on truth, at least they don't seem to expect it from their messiah.

Thanks.

I think I can sum up the Obama Phenomena in one word: PsyOps.

With a combination of triggers and phrases, likely thoroughly Focus Grouped, the Obamaniacs have been very effectively herded through the application of scientific perception management.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-31   23:45:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I think I can sum up the Obama Phenomena in one word: PsyOps.

With a combination of triggers and phrases, likely thoroughly Focus Grouped, the Obamaniacs have been very effectively herded through the application of scientific perception management.

Obama Drawing Twice As Many Searches As McCain

Obama Drawing Twice As Many Searches As McCain

Nicholas Carlson | October 31, 2008 4:49 PM

Yahoo mined their search data and reports:

* In the past week, Senator Obama has drawn more than twice as many queries as Senator McCain. * That's not necessarily all positive, as the nature of the queries indicate that people still have a lot of questions -lookups range from questions about his biography to his birth certificate, from his grandmother to his gun control platform.

Indeed, according to HitWise, for the four weeks ending October 25, 2008 "barack obama birth certificate" was the fourth-most common search term driving traffic to BarackObama.com. "Barack Obama Antichrist" comes in at 26.

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