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Title: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says (GOP base being played like a fiddle)
Source: CNN
URL Source: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/25/palin.tension/index.html
Published: Oct 25, 2008
Author: John King, Peter Hamby and Dana Bash
Post Date: 2008-10-25 17:38:52 by F.A. Hayek Fan
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Views: 691
Comments: 71

With 10 days until Election Day, long-brewing tensions between GOP vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin and key aides to Sen. John McCain have become so intense, they are spilling out in public, sources say.

Several McCain advisers have suggested to CNN that they have become increasingly frustrated with what one aide described as Palin "going rogue."

A Palin associate, however, said the candidate is simply trying to "bust free" of what she believes was a damaging and mismanaged roll-out.

McCain sources say Palin has gone off-message several times, and they privately wonder whether the incidents were deliberate. They cited an instance in which she labeled robocalls -- recorded messages often used to attack a candidate's opponent -- "irritating" even as the campaign defended their use. Also, they pointed to her telling reporters she disagreed with the campaign's decision to pull out of Michigan.

A second McCain source says she appears to be looking out for herself more than the McCain campaign.

"She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone," said this McCain adviser. "She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else.

"Also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party. Remember: Divas trust only unto themselves, as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom."

A Palin associate defended her, saying that she is "not good at process questions" and that her comments on Michigan and the robocalls were answers to process questions.

But this Palin source acknowledged that Palin is trying to take more control of her message, pointing to last week's impromptu news conference on a Colorado tarmac.

Tracey Schmitt, Palin's press secretary, was urgently called over after Palin wandered over to the press and started talking. Schmitt tried several times to end the unscheduled session.

"We acknowledge that perhaps she should have been out there doing more," a different Palin adviser recently said, arguing that "it's not fair to judge her off one or two sound bites" from the network interviews.

The Politico reported Saturday on Palin's frustration, specifically with McCain advisers Nicolle Wallace and Steve Schmidt. They helped decide to limit Palin's initial press contact to high-profile interviews with Charlie Gibson of ABC and Katie Couric of CBS, which all McCain sources admit were highly damaging.

In response, Wallace e-mailed CNN the same quote she gave the Politico: "If people want to throw me under the bus, my personal belief is that the most honorable thing to do is to lie there."

But two sources, one Palin associate and one McCain adviser, defended the decision to keep her press interaction limited after she was picked, both saying flatly that she was not ready and that the missteps could have been a lot worse.

They insisted that she needed time to be briefed on national and international issues and on McCain's record.

Schmitt came to the back of the plane Saturday to deliver a statement to traveling reporters: "Unnamed sources with their own agenda will say what they want, but from Gov. Palin down, we have one agenda, and that's to win on Election Day."

Yet another senior McCain adviser lamented the public recriminations.

"This is what happens with a campaign that's behind; it brings out the worst in people, finger-pointing and scapegoating," this senior adviser said.

This adviser also decried the double standard, noting that Democratic nominee Sen. Barack Obama's running mate, Sen. Joe Biden, has gone off the reservation as well, most recently by telling donors at a fundraiser that America's enemies will try to "test" Obama.

Tensions like those within the McCain-Palin campaign are not unusual; vice presidential candidates also have a history of butting heads with the top of the ticket.

John Edwards and his inner circle repeatedly questioned Sen. John Kerry's strategy in 2004, and Kerry loyalists repeatedly aired in public their view that Edwards would not play the traditional attack dog role with relish because he wanted to protect his future political interests.

Even in a winning campaign like Bill Clinton's, some of Al Gore's aides in 1992 and again in 1996 questioned how Gore was being scheduled for campaign events.

Jack Kemp's aides distrusted the Bob Dole camp and vice versa, and Dan Quayle loyalists had a list of gripes remarkably similar to those now being aired by Gov. Palin's aides.

With the presidential race in its final days and polls suggesting that McCain's chances of pulling out a win are growing slim, Palin may be looking after her own future.

"She's no longer playing for 2008; she's playing 2012," Democratic pollster Peter Hart said. "And the difficulty is, when she went on 'Saturday Night Live,' she became a reinforcement of her caricature. She never allowed herself to be vetted, and at the end of the day, voters turned against her both in terms of qualifications and personally."

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#31. To: Tauzero (#28)

Now I'm really glad I don't watch TV.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-25   19:05:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: christine, Hayek Fan Cynicom (#29)

i noticed today that someone had stolen the palin.

"Looka here, honey! I got us a Palin picture fer the den! It was just sittin' in someone's yard!"

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-25   19:06:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Tauzero, bluegrass (#28) (Edited)

Picking Palin will go down as a terrible move for everyone involved except Palin.

I agree.

Anyone want to bet the farm that Palin will be finished the day after the election?

Americans turned down a sure thing with Hillary, Palin will disappear back to moose country.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-25   19:07:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Cynicom (#30)

I was not olde nuff to vote for him.

Do you remember his presidency?

*ducks*

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-25   19:07:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Cynicom, Tauzero (#33)

I can see it now:

Fishin' With Sarah on one of those cable networks.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-25   19:08:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: christine, all (#29)

i noticed today that someone had stolen the palin. ;P

You climbing on the whack Palin bandwagon with these other denizens????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-25   19:09:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Cynicom (#36)

What's so great about Palin?

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-25   19:10:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: bluegrass, all (#35)

blue...

I am totally ashamed of you red blooded American boys taking whacks at Sarah.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-25   19:12:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: bluegrass (#37)

What's so great about Palin?

Son, your Daddy never splained bout birds and bees???????

hehehehehehehehe

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-25   19:13:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Cynicom (#39)

I know women about 20x better looking than Palin. She does nada for me.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-25   19:21:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: bluegrass (#40)

She's an 8 in politics and a 4 at the beach.

There is no honor in bending one's knee to the banking elites that are robbing the children you claim to love of their future. Soon they'll convince those very same children that you deserve to be eliminated ... and they may be right.

noone222  posted on  2008-10-25   19:23:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: bluegrass (#40)

I know women about 20x better looking than Palin. She does nada for me.

Do not.

How many women you know can shoot and skin a moose????? Not a one. See.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-25   19:24:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: noone222, bluegrass, all (#41)

She's an 8 in politics and a 4 at the beach.

You two are getting on my last nerve, saying bad things about Sarah.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-25   19:26:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Cynicom (#42)

Field dressing game isn't exactly what I look for in women but knock yourself out. : )

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-25   19:28:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: noone222, Cynicom (#41)

She's a 10 in airhead.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-25   19:28:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: bluegrass, noone222, christine (#45)

She's a 10 in airhead.

Christine, these mean spirited people are secret Obummer trolls picking on Sarah, maybe you could thrash them good????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-25   19:32:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Cynicom (#14)

To what does one attribute 70 million Americans tuning in to Biden/Palin????

The same reason I used to watch the Indy 500 when I was a kid. I was always hoping to witness a huge crash, preferably a chain reaction involving several cars.

People were watching to see if Palin crashed, but she stayed in her lane the whole time (my impression from the reviews I read of it; I didn't watch it).

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-10-25   19:41:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Sam Houston (#47)

I didn't watch it).

Me either.

Sick and tired of elections, politicians and all the hokum promises.

Whatever loser wins, he better leave a nite light on.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-25   19:45:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Cynicom (#46)

sorry, Cyni, sarah doesn't get a pass from me cuz she's a gurl. ;)

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-10-25   19:47:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Cynicom (#46)

Well Sarah made it farther than Hillary did.

Sarah is attractive and smart. Perhaps not in the stunning universe most guys live in (on line that is). ;)

Apparently, many feel they have a connection with her, so there's the X factor working.

As far as the base being played like a bass fiddle, isn't that what all politicians do? It's about draining the wallets in the name of Hope. In that vein, the Obama supporters have done so for the mere asking. McCain's campaign was DOA before Palin. For the lefties and their pent up anger, the circus had just come to town. Finally something to kill. God knows they aren't running on their record.

Sarah has proven to be a tougher cookie than Obama and camp. They just make rules about what can not be discussed in the media, and it is done in the blink of an eye.

So, I give her credit for having more stones than any of them. We're talking VP here. After the comments from Biden this week warning people about what will be expected of them when the 'generated' crisis comes upon us, Palin looks like the more peaceful choice.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-10-25   20:01:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: OliviaFNewton (#50)

Rather odd, Americans turned down a highly "qualified female" and other Americans picked a totally "unqualified" female.

The rationale seems to be skewed.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-25   20:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Cynicom (#51)

Rather odd, Americans turned down a highly "qualified female" and other Americans picked a totally "unqualified" female.

'Professionals' have brought us here, and I highly doubt Mrs. Palin could do worse than they have.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-10-25   20:19:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Cynicom (#17) (Edited)

Remember there are no qualifications for a person running for President.

It is what one does when in office that counts.

And the only thing that can predict that is honesty and character. Obama fails on all counts.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

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-- IndieTx

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2008-10-25   20:24:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: OliviaFNewton (#52)

Rather odd, Americans turned down a highly "qualified female" and other Americans picked a totally "unqualified" female.

'Professionals' have brought us here, and I highly doubt Mrs. Palin could do worse than they have.

amen

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of its very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2008-10-25   20:25:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: OliviaFNewton (#52)

People here argue pro and con, for and against, this one or that one, as "unqualified".

There are legal requirements for the office but no qualifications, such would not be possible.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-25   20:27:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: IndieTX (#53)

And the only thing that can predict that is honesty and character. Obama fails on all counts.

Indeed.

Regardless of party or politician, they spend hours on TV telling us what they are going to do for us. All of that is rhetorical BS. All I want to hear is..."I will do what is best for the country, I promise you nothing".

I would vote for that person.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-25   20:30:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Cynicom (#55)

but no qualifications, such would not be possible.

Qualified is one thing, eligibility is another. Obama still has not been determined either a “natural born” or “naturalized” United States citizen.

Still, if the winner of a thumb-wrestle could become President, I think Palin would still win.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-10-25   20:52:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: IndieTX (#53)

And the only thing that can predict that is honesty and character. Obama fails on all counts.

He's quite the illusionist though!

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-10-25   21:13:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Cynicom (#21)

In my time the only president that surprised me was Ike.

He had zero political qualifications for president. Ike had lived out of the military trough all his life. He was a known philanderer and not particularly concerned about others.

However when he had to make unpopular decisions as president, he did it. Most of all he brought out the first valid warning of MIC.

I was surprised to find out that Ike wasn't the only General of his age to warn against the MIC. Douglas MacArthur stated that it is unhealthy for the US economy to be skewed toward military production at the expense of civilian goods and services.

A lot of military contractors didn't see it that way.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-10-28   12:09:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Hayek Fan, JethroTull, Christine, James Deffenbach, Cynicom, Rupert_Pupkin, X-15, Original_Intent (#0)

Palin Betrays Base On Immigration Amnesty

By Cernig Thursday Oct 23, 2008 6:30pm

sarah-palin-1_fe11a_0.jpgWith 12 days to go until the election, today was the wrong time for Sarah Palin to shoot herself in the foot and alienate her base. But that's what she has done, in style, on Univision.

Interviewer: To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?

Palin: I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.

Needless to say, the wingnuts, those few mentioning it so far, are not at all happy.

The Corner leads the charge:

What Palin's response shows is that, first, she's completely open to whatever kool-aid they want her to drink — i.e., she has no innate resistance to amnesty for illegals that would cause her to look for less-unappealing ways of saying what the campaign wants her to say. And second, it shows what the campaign is telling her about McCain's views on the issue — if McCain's talk of "border security first" were anything but boob bait for Bubba, his operatives would have made it clear that Palin was supposed to include that in her discussion of immigration, but she didn't even make a passing reference to it.

Daniel Larison:

I have given up trying to understand what Palinites see in their favorite candidate.  If this does not drive home how malleable and unacquainted with the relevant policy options she is, I’m not sure what would.

Michelle Malikin simply says "We're Screwed, '08!"

With twelve days to go, this is going to hurt the McCain/Palin camp even worse than the $150k blown on Sarah's make-over. Immigrants are the "barbarians at the gate" that folk like Neo-Roman elitist Andy McCarthy are so afraid of

Originally posted in a different form at Newshoggers

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-28   12:13:42 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Rotara (#60) (Edited)

Palin's response shows is that, first, she's completely open to whatever kool-aid they want her to drink

I knew that the day McCain announced his pick. She started going on about Iraq and 9/11, a neoconservative lie that even Bush isn't dumb enough to keep repeating.

Now Palin adopts another neocon line - amnesty for illegals, and everyone feels "shocked" and "betrayed." As if McCain would have picked her at all if she were anything but a willing tool of the neocon establishment.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-10-28   12:19:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Rotara (#60)

Palin: I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.

traitor

christine  posted on  2008-10-28   12:19:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#61) (Edited)

I knew that the day McCain announced his pick. She started going on about Iraq and 9/11, a neocon lie that even Bush isn't dumb enough to keep repeating.

Now Palin adopts another neocon line - amnesty for illegals, and everyone feels "shocked" and "betrayed."

Isn't it liberating to see things the way they really are ?

BTW, I'm an "America first wingnut" for the record. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-28   12:21:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Rotara (#60)

What Palin's response shows is that, first, she's completely open to whatever kool-aid they want her to drink.

noone222  posted on  2008-10-28   12:22:34 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Christine, ALL (#62)

Palin: I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.

traitor

Immigration Gumballs

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-28   12:23:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: noone222 (#64)

Just say no !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-28   12:34:14 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: christine (#62)

the health that is here

That's odd. I thought we had a shameful healthcare system. Why would Mexicans leave their wonderful socialized medical system and come here to enjoy ours if ours is so bad?

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-28   12:36:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: scrapper2 (#67)

Why would Mexicans leave their wonderful socialized medical system and come here to enjoy ours if ours is so bad?

We have socialized medicine too - for Mexican illegals. They never pay for their emergency room care, the rest of us do.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-10-28   12:39:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Rotara (#63)

Isn't it liberating to see things the way they really are ?

BTW, I'm an "America first wingnut" for the record. ;-)

Isn't it funny how, if you really are an American and really do care about America, you can see past the outward appearance of people and see the traitor that lives within? Sarah Palin MIGHT have been a good choice as VP for SOMEONE other than McCain. But apparently she is one of those people who doesn't know, or doesn't care, that the invasion McNutz is all in favor of, is destroying this country. And to me that says traitor.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-28   19:21:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: James Deffenbach (#69)

She obviously chose the NEOCON path and that is that.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-28   19:40:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Rotara (#70)

She obviously chose the NEOCON path and that is that.

It's possible she could overcome that brainwashing but only if she chooses to overcome it.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-28   19:58:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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