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Title: McCain and 'whack job' Palin come out fighting
Source: London Times
URL Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne ... s_elections/article5032745.ece
Published: Oct 28, 2008
Author: Tim Reid in Hershey
Post Date: 2008-10-28 21:59:37 by robnoel
Keywords: None
Views: 1145
Comments: 49

Minutes after an aide to John McCain effectively described Sarah Palin as unhinged — the latest sign of open war inside the embattled Republican campaign — the two candidates were roared on to a stage yesterday in Pennsylvania, a state that is central to their ever narrowing path to victory.

In the past week, aides to the Arizona senator have briefed reporters anonymously against Mrs Palin, describing the Alaska Governor as a “diva”. Yesterday a far harsher pejorative emerged: one called her a “whack job”, a term usually reserved for people who are dangerously unbalanced.

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol...ctions/article5032745.ece

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There you go again.
~~Ronald Reagan

Amazing how I don't see you going after TheBlackMessiah. I may have listened to you on short wave since you first started, but your wasting time blasting Palin over the others...intriguing. Will the black messiah be better for the value of your metal sales?

This soap opera over the two-party Fraud is getting old.

IndieTX  posted on  2008-10-28   22:09:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Please give me a break with your "metal sales" BS based on what I've earned under Bush I should be rooting for the "wack-job" however if you can't see the fact that she is a full blown nut I can only conclude you don't know anything about American history ....I have a simple test for anyone seeking high office....know more about American history and the constitution than I do...I've watched her for the past month and she knows squate...as for Obama...America deserves him!

robnoel  posted on  2008-10-28   22:24:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

as for Obama...America deserves him!

A perverse sentiment that I agree with! Every American that votes for Obummer will reap what they sow!! It's high time that America get a full dose of his ideology for at least four years in order to drive them back to the words of the Founding Fathers. I welcome the wailing of the great unwashed, gullible, masses....

X-15  posted on  2008-10-28   22:31:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

There is a small chance if the Democrats do take control of all three branches that a renewed opposition party will form from the ruins of the GOP a long shot but the only shot my reservation is that to many generations of Americans have no problem with a "little" socialism...then we have the problem with the evangelicals who are so lost it is embaressing to call myself a christian....then the other side...Americans forced South Africans to accept a black president...so a black American president should be no problem...right!

robnoel  posted on  2008-10-28   22:46:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

too many generations of Americans have no problem with a "little" socialism

As we import more immigrants from Third World countries where they grew up with socialism, they tend to be Dem voters so little by little becomes a lot and the majority of voters look to vote in whichever political party promises them the most benefits.That's why the GOP has moved leftward and their politicians have become RINO in attitude. It's the only way they can satisfy their electorate and keep/win their seats. I see no resurrection of conservative values in the GOP. That party is now too heavily compromised. However saying that, if there is a long lasting global recession and the EU socialist inclined nations have a rough go of it and big govt entitlement programs fail, then there may be a return in the US electorate's mindset to admiring small gov't, self-sufficiency/self-reliance.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-28   23:11:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

then there may be a return in the US electorate's mindset to admiring small gov't, self-sufficiency/self-reliance.

When have the electorate ever had a mindset admiring smallgov't? Neither wing of our one party is for smaller gov't. I just laugh til my sides ache when the marxist-socialist parties fire salvos back and forth accusing each other of being tax ansd spenders. Both are!

What's the difference whether one gives big entitlement programs while the other give major tax breaks to businesses and cost plus contracts to the MIC. We end up with a looted treasury either way. Of course if you are a neocon being taken care of, I can understand your supporting the pubbiebots or being a pubbiebot. And of course we have the demonwits with their hands out grubbing for any freebie that comes along.

Then there are those of us who support the Ron Paul's that know the real score. Trouble is there are too many of you who still support the lesser of two evils.

LACUMO  posted on  2008-10-29   0:26:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

a. When have the electorate ever had a mindset admiring smallgov't?

b. What's the difference whether one gives big entitlement programs while the other give major tax breaks to businesses and cost plus contracts to the MIC.

c. Then there are those of us who support the Ron Paul's that know the real score. Trouble is there are too many of you who still support the lesser of two evils.

a. pre-FDR

b. actually Both parties give big domestic entitlement programs and BOTH parties believe in taxing businesses at a very high rate. In fact, the USA has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the Western world. Ye old corporate tax stone has been squeezed dry and that's why many US firms are re-locating their head offices to business friendly international locations.

www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/22917.html

Currently, the average combined federal and state corporate tax rate in the U.S. is 39.3 percent, second among OECD countries to Japan's combined rate of 39.5 percent.

When compared to other OECD countries:

* 24 U.S. states have a combined corporate tax rate higher than top-ranked Japan. * 32 states have a combined corporate tax rate higher than third-ranked Germany. * 46 states have a combined corporate tax rate higher than fourth-ranked Canada. * All 50 states have a combined corporate tax rate higher than fifth-ranked France.

c. I'm not sure if you are using the rhetorical "you" in your judgment but let me put you on notice one last time, I am a Ron Paul supporter. Otherwise I vote against incumbency - I could care less what party my vote supports re: the House and Senate as long as it is anti-incumbency.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-29   2:13:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

In fact, the USA has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the Western world. Ye old corporate tax stone has been squeezed dry and that's why many US firms are re-

According to our Constitution, corporate taxes are the only taxes allowed. The individual income tax is illegal.

The cop out is when good citizen voters like yourself come to the aid of the corpoations who have bought and paid for our government, lock, stock, and barrell.

The corporate tax rate keeps getting lowered and we end up paying more of the illgal individual income taxes. If the corporations were paying their fair share, the criminal CEO's wouldn't be ripping off the stockholders and wouldn't be receiving all those golden parachutes when they leave the company aftyer raping and pilliaging it.

American corporations became GIANTS even when they were paying their fair share of taxes. They were the envy of the world. Now that they are in total control of the pols, of us , and many foreign countries, we are screwed paying illegal taxes. They control the economy and make it possible for the crazy zaney pols to pass all that entitlement legislation to counter all the damage they(corporations) have done to individuals income.

We have what we have because it is what the corporations have foisted upon us. When you are out of work and there are little hungry bellies crying out for some food, then it is easy to see how you would support entitlements like unemployment, social security, etc.

We see corporations reneging on pension plans that were negotiated with the workers. Thank God there is soial security becaus the way things are going, that might be all a person has to live on. Corporatins aren't ashamed to steal and run of with private pension money and then the government has to absorb that pension liability.

We need a total collapse of our economy and need to start over by taxing the hell outta the corporations and putting the asses of their criminal CEO's and board members in jail.

....and most of all we need to educate the voters who keep on buying into their chicanery and keep voting for candidates put up by the corporate masters. Then maybe we can do away with all the entitlements, including even the massive corporate entitlements.

LACUMO  posted on  2008-10-29   9:43:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

According to our Constitution, corporate taxes are the only taxes allowed. The individual income tax is illegal.

The cop out is when good citizen voters like yourself come to the aid of the corpoations who have bought and paid for our government, lock, stock, and barrell.

The corporate tax rate keeps getting lowered and we end up paying more of the illgal individual income taxes. If the corporations were paying their fair share, the criminal CEO's wouldn't be ripping off the stockholders and wouldn't be receiving all those golden parachutes when they leave the company aftyer raping and pilliaging it.

Did you not understand the statistics I provided you? It has nothing to do about my coming "to the aid" (????) of corporations. I was simply INFORMING YOU that we have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the Western developed world. And that we can't continue to raise corporate tax rates or we will chase more businesses to other more tax-friendly nations than we have already. It's businesses that employ people - got it? People need jobs - not entitlements. Your perspective is of a retired person, but our nation's economy depends on jobs not entitlements. And in fact one might say that it's the out of balance entitlements with employment productivity - goods and services - that is bringing our nation down.

I would agree with you that the salaries and stock options and Golden Parachutes that are paid to corporate executives is excessive but these companies are private and they make their own rules on corporate perks. What do you want to happen - for Big Gov't to take over businesses in the USA so we can outlaw executive perks? Thanks but no thanks.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-29   11:24:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Did you not understand the statistics I provided you? It has nothing to do about my coming "to the aid" (????) of corporations. I was simply INFORMING YOU that we have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the Western developed world.

Did you not understand that corporate taxes are the only taxes allowed by our Constitution? Apparently you didn't get it. Call it what you want but you are coming down directly in defense of corporate entitlements.

We should have high corporate taxes. Since they are the only tax allowed by our Constitution. Somebody gotta pay to run the country and pay off their owned politicans. If we weren't paying such high illegal income taxes, we wouldn't need all those entitlements. When over 50% of our earnings are taken away through all the taxes at all levels, there isn't much left to get by on.

I'm sorry you don't have the mental capacity to grasp that I am not only talking about retirees, but all the people.

You on the other hand, make no misconceptions when you unequivably support more and more corporate welfare(entitlements). Maybe we just outta let the corporations pay no tax, corrupt whatever politicans they want to, and simply furnish us with a company store, a company house, and no pay whatsoever. No entitelements or benefits either. That would probably be more to your liking. Just think! If we get sick we can either heal ourselves or die. Then we won't be usless eaters.

Tax the hell outta the corporations and they won't have money to throw around and corrupt the government. If corporations paid their fair share, we might have enough money to live within our means and not need handouts (entitlements).. No more corporate welfare (entitlements).

LACUMO  posted on  2008-10-29   11:44:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

So what if the constitution says only corporations can be taxed? Does that give the government license to tax corporations out of existence in this nation? Use your brain - the government cannot give entitlements like Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid and SCHIPS and unemployment insurance and food stamps and what have you unless it has $ coming in. And if everyone is unemployed and businesses have moved their head offices to other nations because of better tax rates there, we are screwed. Get it?

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-29   12:30:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And if everyone is unemployed and businesses have moved their head offices to other nations because of better tax rates there, we are screwed. Get it?

Damned near everybody is unemployed and it is because the corporations are in control and don't want to abide by the Constitution and pay their fair share of taxes.

We ought to put import taxes on these companies products in the range of 50- 55%. Then maybe they would come back here and make their products using American labor. They are the reason so much of our dollars are leaving the country. Their greed is astounding!

...and I see you don't think very much of our Constitution. Bush doesn't either. He says it is nothing more than a Goddamned piece of paper. Thank you for being honest and telling us all that you put corporations and their welfare ahead of our Constitution and our people.

May I ask? Are you a socialist-commie supporter? Just asking since it appears you think so highly of corporate Amerika at the expense of the American people. Your man john mcnutz loves corporations too, especially savings and loans.

LACUMO  posted on  2008-10-29   12:52:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Are you a socialist-commie supporter? Just asking since it appears you think so highly of corporate Amerika at the expense of the American people. Your man john mcnutz loves corporations too, especially savings and loans.

I have given you more than enough slack based on your family's medical crisis this weekend.

You are a crochety old coot who only sees the trees - his entitlements - not the Big Forest picture.

Your only answers to the malaise that grips our nation today is a) higher taxes on businesses and imported goods and b) bigger gov't to implement these aforementioned taxes so entitlements can continue to flow uninterrupted.

The taxes you want implemented will only exacerbate our weakened economy. More taxes, bigger gov't bureaucracy are not what is needed. Less gov't intervention and less spending and less borrowing is what is needed. We have become a nation of consumers on several levels. Over 60% of Americans use gov't entitlements but that same group pay back less than $1000 a year in income taxes. This imbalance cannot continue without dire consequences to our nation's economic stability.

And no I don't support McCain. Besides being a RINO and leftie in many respects, he's dishonest and he puts America last, Israel first.

I have no shame in telling you what I am - I have admitted it many times before but perhaps you were not reading my posts previously. I am a Conservative and that means I am for small gov't, no military interventionalism abroad. I am against enshrined annual foreign aid plans except for foreign aid given on a case by case basis and only related to disasters of Nature. I am pro Constitution by original intent not per the Supreme Court's elastic "interpretation." I am for limited domestic entitlements except for the aged and unemployable due to physical or mental deficit. I am by and large pro free market except for gov't regulation for safety and hygiene standards. I am against Affirmative Action because it's gov't enforced racism. I am against conscription because it is a form of selective slavery based on age and gender.

What else do you need to know about my political positions to have you stop making baseless allegations that I'm some sort of stealth closet socialist because when you say off-the-wall things like that you make yourself look awfully silly and cause me to call you an old coot.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-29   13:55:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I am against conscription because it is a form of selective slavery based on age and gender.

I bet you are! I also bet you didn't serve in the military either. Are you 2C? I guess it is ok that you and the members who support and believe in the two party system that we have an all voluntary military. Those who are serving for the most part are serving because your favorite party took all the jobs out of the country and made basically involuntary volunteers in our military.

You can call me whatever you want. Nothing you could call me would hurt my feelings. You on the other hand have told me and all who have read this thread that our Constitution can be picked apart and we need only to enforce any part of it that allows creeps like you to destroy this country.

Corporate taxes are the only legitimate taxes allowed under our Constitution. Since you established the fact that we can pick and choose what part of the Constitution we want to enforce and we can chuck the rest of it. Purely socialist chicanery!

Our system of government allows for someone who is lazy or has a better mousetrap to sell to start up a business and get rich. There is nothing wrong with that providing they follow the rules and carry on their business in an honest way. That used to be the way things were here in America. Since the corporations have gotten bigger, more monopolistic, and more corrupt, they don't want to follow the rules.

When the rules are strictly followed the corporations prospered beyond anyones imagination. They became corrupt and corrupted our political system and have basically destroyed it along with our country. Apparently this is ok with you. Talk about shaming oneself. You are about on par with obanger and billyjoejimbob clinton who have given us nafta and yearn to finish off our economy. Mcnutz hasn't a clue. He's still trying to find out how many homes he has.

I will give you credit. You have been most honest in supporting chucking our Constitution, or at least the parts of it that get in the way of corporate agendas and profits.

Hard times are a coming and I hope you have a full pantry to sustain you and your family. Somebody got to keep the commie-socialist agenda alive. Crapper 2 suits you very well.

LACUMO  posted on  2008-10-29   14:41:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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