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Title: McCain and 'whack job' Palin come out fighting
Source: London Times
URL Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne ... s_elections/article5032745.ece
Published: Oct 28, 2008
Author: Tim Reid in Hershey
Post Date: 2008-10-28 21:59:37 by robnoel
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Views: 916
Comments: 49

Minutes after an aide to John McCain effectively described Sarah Palin as unhinged — the latest sign of open war inside the embattled Republican campaign — the two candidates were roared on to a stage yesterday in Pennsylvania, a state that is central to their ever narrowing path to victory.
In the past week, aides to the Arizona senator have briefed reporters anonymously against Mrs Palin, describing the Alaska Governor as a “diva”. Yesterday a far harsher pejorative emerged: one called her a “whack job”, a term usually reserved for people who are dangerously unbalanced.
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#1. To: robnoel (#0) (Edited)
There you go again.
~~Ronald Reagan
Amazing how I don't see you going after TheBlackMessiah. I may have listened to you on short wave since you first started, but your wasting time blasting Palin over the others...intriguing. Will the black messiah be better for the value of your metal sales?
This soap opera over the two-party Fraud is getting old.
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IndieTX posted on 2008-10-28 22:09:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: IndieTX (#1) (Edited)
Please give me a break with your "metal sales" BS based on what I've earned under Bush I should be rooting for the "wack-job" however if you can't see the fact that she is a full blown nut I can only conclude you don't know anything about American history ....I have a simple test for anyone seeking high office....know more about American history and the constitution than I do...I've watched her for the past month and she knows squate...as for Obama...America deserves him!

robnoel posted on 2008-10-28 22:24:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: robnoel (#2)
as for Obama...America deserves him!

A perverse sentiment that I agree with! Every American that votes for Obummer will reap what they sow!! It's high time that America get a full dose of his ideology for at least four years in order to drive them back to the words of the Founding Fathers. I welcome the wailing of the great unwashed, gullible, masses....
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
X-15 posted on 2008-10-28 22:31:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: X-15 (#3)
A perverse sentiment that I agree with! Every American that votes for Obummer will reap what they sow!! It's high time that America get a full dose of his ideology for at least four years in order to drive them back to the words of the Founding Fathers. I welcome the wailing of the great unwashed, gullible, masses....

I don't agree with that. Not everyone has been taken in by Obummer and McNutz. Those who haven't been conned by either one of them don't deserve what is going to happen when one or the other of them is Diebolded into office.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2008-10-28 22:38:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: robnoel (#0)
In the past week, aides to the Arizona senator have briefed reporters anonymously against Mrs Palin, describing the Alaska Governor as a “diva”. Yesterday a far harsher pejorative emerged: one called her a “whack job”, a term usually reserved for people who are dangerously unbalanced.

It is not possible that she could be a bigger whackjob than McNutz. No way.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2008-10-28 22:40:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: X-15 (#3)
There is a small chance if the Democrats do take control of all three branches that a renewed opposition party will form from the ruins of the GOP a long shot but the only shot my reservation is that to many generations of Americans have no problem with a "little" socialism...then we have the problem with the evangelicals who are so lost it is embaressing to call myself a christian....then the other side...Americans forced South Africans to accept a black president...so a black American president should be no problem...right!

robnoel posted on 2008-10-28 22:46:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: robnoel (#2)
I have a simple test for anyone seeking high office....know more about American history and the constitution than I do

Have you ever found anyone you could vote for?
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
DeaconBenjamin posted on 2008-10-28 22:47:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: DeaconBenjamin (#7)
Yes ...Ron Paul

robnoel posted on 2008-10-28 22:51:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: IndieTX, robnoel (#1)
Amazing how I don't see you going after TheBlackMessiah.

Ole Rob seems to have a personality problem concerning women.

Cynicom posted on 2008-10-28 23:00:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: robnoel (#8)
That's not a very long list.
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
DeaconBenjamin posted on 2008-10-28 23:02:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: Cynicom (#9)
No not all women just the stupid ones

robnoel posted on 2008-10-28 23:03:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: DeaconBenjamin (#10) (Edited)
Yes and that proves the problem

robnoel posted on 2008-10-28 23:04:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: DeaconBenjamin (#10)
That's not a very long list.

For a man that is an expert on American history, robs view of past presidents seems rather shallow.

Cynicom posted on 2008-10-28 23:05:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: robnoel (#11)
No not all women just the stupid ones

You do indeed have a problem with the female gender.

Cynicom posted on 2008-10-28 23:06:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: Cynicom (#13)
You are stupid he asked who I would vote for ...I assumed he meant those that are still alive

robnoel posted on 2008-10-28 23:09:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: Cynicom (#14)
FU

robnoel posted on 2008-10-28 23:10:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: robnoel (#6)
too many generations of Americans have no problem with a "little" socialism

As we import more immigrants from Third World countries where they grew up with socialism, they tend to be Dem voters so little by little becomes a lot and the majority of voters look to vote in whichever political party promises them the most benefits.That's why the GOP has moved leftward and their politicians have become RINO in attitude. It's the only way they can satisfy their electorate and keep/win their seats. I see no resurrection of conservative values in the GOP. That party is now too heavily compromised. However saying that, if there is a long lasting global recession and the EU socialist inclined nations have a rough go of it and big govt entitlement programs fail, then there may be a return in the US electorate's mindset to admiring small gov't, self-sufficiency/self-reliance.

scrapper2 posted on 2008-10-28 23:11:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: robnoel (#15)
Have you ever found anyone you could vote for?

Your comprehension is nearly as shallow as your intellect rob...
Read this...note the word....EVER...??????
Above is what the gentleman wrote.

Cynicom posted on 2008-10-28 23:12:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: robnoel (#6)
There is a small chance if the Democrats do take control of all three branches that a renewed opposition party will form from the ruins of the GOP

The FEC exists to ensure that the Republicans and Democrats remain the two government parties.
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
DeaconBenjamin posted on 2008-10-28 23:14:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: robnoel, all (#16)
FU

I will overlook your lowering yourself into vulgar street language this time.
Once is enough. If you cannot express yourself without such, I have no time for you. It paints a perfect portrait of its user.

Cynicom posted on 2008-10-28 23:14:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: Cynicom (#18)
Let me repeat myself ...FU!

robnoel posted on 2008-10-28 23:15:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: robnoel (#6)
...then we have the problem with the evangelicals who are so lost it is embaressing to call myself a christian...

They aren't "lost", they know exactly what they're doing under 501(c)(3) tax-exempt laws. I won't call them Christians, either.
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
X-15 posted on 2008-10-28 23:17:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: robnoel, all (#21)
Let me repeat myself ...FU!

Being of shallow intellect carries no shame, however, using vulgar language puts you at the lower level of societal acceptance.
You have a good night rob, we have seen the inner you and it is not nice.

Cynicom posted on 2008-10-28 23:18:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: X-15 (#22)
I won't call them Christians, either.

Indeed. I've often wondered that myself - is this what the Holy Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Ghost would support? A basic tenet of the evangelical religion is looking forward to a final destruction of earth so they can tip toe over the dead bodies to Heaven. Not too Christian an outlook imho.

scrapper2 posted on 2008-10-28 23:26:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: scrapper2 (#17)
then there may be a return in the US electorate's mindset to admiring small gov't, self-sufficiency/self-reliance.

When have the electorate ever had a mindset admiring smallgov't? Neither wing of our one party is for smaller gov't. I just laugh til my sides ache when the marxist-socialist parties fire salvos back and forth accusing each other of being tax ansd spenders. Both are!
What's the difference whether one gives big entitlement programs while the other give major tax breaks to businesses and cost plus contracts to the MIC. We end up with a looted treasury either way. Of course if you are a neocon being taken care of, I can understand your supporting the pubbiebots or being a pubbiebot. And of course we have the demonwits with their hands out grubbing for any freebie that comes along.
Then there are those of us who support the Ron Paul's that know the real score. Trouble is there are too many of you who still support the lesser of two evils.

LACUMO posted on 2008-10-29 0:26:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: James Deffenbach (#5)
It is not possible that she could be a bigger whackjob than McNutz. No way.

That may be a truthful statement. She is however, out there mouthing the words they are putting in her head. I just shudder everytime she lets us know that she can say Ahmadinejad's name.
She's outta her league and is being used by mcnutz and the gop because they thought her sex appeal would be a big factor in garnering votes. When this election is over and the obanger is placed on the throne, Sarah will become yesterday's news

LACUMO posted on 2008-10-29 0:47:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: scrapper2, All (#24)
"There were many other significant issues that led to our original Fourth of July; so why aren't Americans familiar with the rest? Because in the 1920s, 30s, and 40s, a group of secular-minded writers (including Charles and Mary Beard, W. E. Woodward, Fairfax Downey, and others) began penning works on American history that introduced a new paradigm. For this group, economics was the only issue of importance, so they began to write texts accordingly (their approach is now described as "the economic view of American history" and since the 1960s has been widely embraced throughout the education community). Consequently, since "taxation without representation" was the economic grievance in the Declaration, it became the sole clause that Americans studied.
As a result, God is no longer visible in American history; and His absence is now construed as a mandate for secularism. Texts now forcefully assert that the American founding produced the first intentionally secular government in history - even though the Declaration officially acknowledges God in four separate clauses. (But who still teaches the Declaration - or even reads it?) Similarly, leaders such as John Hancock and John Adams receive credit as being the source of our independence, even though John Adams himself declared that the Rev. Dr. Jonathan Mayhew and the Rev. Dr. Samuel Cooper were two of the individuals "most conspicuous, the most ardent, and influential" in the "awakening and revival of American principles and feelings" that led to American independence. Regrettably, God (and His servants) have largely disappeared from the presentation of American history in general and America's founding in particular.
As a further example, consider the legendary Minutemen: even though they are still honored in many texts, their leader, the Rev. Jonas Clark, is no longer mentioned - nor the fact that many of the Minutemen were deacons in his church. And the Rev. James Caldwell is no longer acknowledged as a key leader of military forces in New Jersey - nor the Rev. John Peter Gabriel Muhlenberg (who led 300 men from his church against the British) as one of Washington's most trusted generals."
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
X-15 posted on 2008-10-29 0:52:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: robnoel (#21) (Edited)
Let me repeat myself ...FU!

You're on permanent BOZO ahole.

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IndieTX posted on 2008-10-29 0:58:45 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: Cynicom (#23)
Ping to 28. 2 strikes and he's OUT.
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IndieTX posted on 2008-10-29 1:00:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: LACUMO (#25)
a. When have the electorate ever had a mindset admiring smallgov't?
b. What's the difference whether one gives big entitlement programs while the other give major tax breaks to businesses and cost plus contracts to the MIC.
c. Then there are those of us who support the Ron Paul's that know the real score. Trouble is there are too many of you who still support the lesser of two evils.

a. pre-FDR
b. actually Both parties give big domestic entitlement programs and BOTH parties believe in taxing businesses at a very high rate. In fact, the USA has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the Western world. Ye old corporate tax stone has been squeezed dry and that's why many US firms are re-locating their head offices to business friendly international locations.
www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/22917.html
Currently, the average combined federal and state corporate tax rate in the U.S. is 39.3 percent, second among OECD countries to Japan's combined rate of 39.5 percent.
When compared to other OECD countries:
* 24 U.S. states have a combined corporate tax rate higher than top-ranked Japan. * 32 states have a combined corporate tax rate higher than third-ranked Germany. * 46 states have a combined corporate tax rate higher than fourth-ranked Canada. * All 50 states have a combined corporate tax rate higher than fifth-ranked France.
c. I'm not sure if you are using the rhetorical "you" in your judgment but let me put you on notice one last time, I am a Ron Paul supporter. Otherwise I vote against incumbency - I could care less what party my vote supports re: the House and Senate as long as it is anti-incumbency.

scrapper2 posted on 2008-10-29 2:13:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: IndieTX (#28)
Up yours!

robnoel posted on 2008-10-29 6:47:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: LACUMO (#26)
She's outta her league and is being used by mcnutz and the gop because they thought her sex appeal would be a big factor in garnering votes. When this election is over and the obanger is placed on the throne, Sarah will become yesterday's news

She may indeed be "out of her league" but compared to all the rest of them in that foursome she matches up ok. What I mean by that is that there is not a "brilliant mind" in the lot of them, at least it sure doesn't appear that way. Obama's head is so full of socialist garabage that a real thought would bust his head. McCain has never seen or heard of an expenditure for the military he wasn't in favor of. And Biden thinks Roosevelt got on television when the stock market crashed in 1929. Nah, she is no more nuts than the rest of that crowd.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2008-10-29 9:27:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: scrapper2 (#30)
In fact, the USA has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the Western world. Ye old corporate tax stone has been squeezed dry and that's why many US firms are re-

According to our Constitution, corporate taxes are the only taxes allowed. The individual income tax is illegal.
The cop out is when good citizen voters like yourself come to the aid of the corpoations who have bought and paid for our government, lock, stock, and barrell.
The corporate tax rate keeps getting lowered and we end up paying more of the illgal individual income taxes. If the corporations were paying their fair share, the criminal CEO's wouldn't be ripping off the stockholders and wouldn't be receiving all those golden parachutes when they leave the company aftyer raping and pilliaging it.
American corporations became GIANTS even when they were paying their fair share of taxes. They were the envy of the world. Now that they are in total control of the pols, of us , and many foreign countries, we are screwed paying illegal taxes. They control the economy and make it possible for the crazy zaney pols to pass all that entitlement legislation to counter all the damage they(corporations) have done to individuals income.
We have what we have because it is what the corporations have foisted upon us. When you are out of work and there are little hungry bellies crying out for some food, then it is easy to see how you would support entitlements like unemployment, social security, etc.
We see corporations reneging on pension plans that were negotiated with the workers. Thank God there is soial security becaus the way things are going, that might be all a person has to live on. Corporatins aren't ashamed to steal and run of with private pension money and then the government has to absorb that pension liability.
We need a total collapse of our economy and need to start over by taxing the hell outta the corporations and putting the asses of their criminal CEO's and board members in jail.
....and most of all we need to educate the voters who keep on buying into their chicanery and keep voting for candidates put up by the corporate masters. Then maybe we can do away with all the entitlements, including even the massive corporate entitlements.

LACUMO posted on 2008-10-29 9:43:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: LACUMO (#33) (Edited)
According to our Constitution, corporate taxes are the only taxes allowed. The individual income tax is illegal.
The cop out is when good citizen voters like yourself come to the aid of the corpoations who have bought and paid for our government, lock, stock, and barrell.
The corporate tax rate keeps getting lowered and we end up paying more of the illgal individual income taxes. If the corporations were paying their fair share, the criminal CEO's wouldn't be ripping off the stockholders and wouldn't be receiving all those golden parachutes when they leave the company aftyer raping and pilliaging it.

Did you not understand the statistics I provided you? It has nothing to do about my coming "to the aid" (????) of corporations. I was simply INFORMING YOU that we have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the Western developed world. And that we can't continue to raise corporate tax rates or we will chase more businesses to other more tax-friendly nations than we have already. It's businesses that employ people - got it? People need jobs - not entitlements. Your perspective is of a retired person, but our nation's economy depends on jobs not entitlements. And in fact one might say that it's the out of balance entitlements with employment productivity - goods and services - that is bringing our nation down.
I would agree with you that the salaries and stock options and Golden Parachutes that are paid to corporate executives is excessive but these companies are private and they make their own rules on corporate perks. What do you want to happen - for Big Gov't to take over businesses in the USA so we can outlaw executive perks? Thanks but no thanks.

scrapper2 posted on 2008-10-29 11:24:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: scrapper2 (#34)
Did you not understand the statistics I provided you? It has nothing to do about my coming "to the aid" (????) of corporations. I was simply INFORMING YOU that we have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the Western developed world.

Did you not understand that corporate taxes are the only taxes allowed by our Constitution? Apparently you didn't get it. Call it what you want but you are coming down directly in defense of corporate entitlements.
We should have high corporate taxes. Since they are the only tax allowed by our Constitution. Somebody gotta pay to run the country and pay off their owned politicans. If we weren't paying such high illegal income taxes, we wouldn't need all those entitlements. When over 50% of our earnings are taken away through all the taxes at all levels, there isn't much left to get by on.
I'm sorry you don't have the mental capacity to grasp that I am not only talking about retirees, but all the people.
You on the other hand, make no misconceptions when you unequivably support more and more corporate welfare(entitlements). Maybe we just outta let the corporations pay no tax, corrupt whatever politicans they want to, and simply furnish us with a company store, a company house, and no pay whatsoever. No entitelements or benefits either. That would probably be more to your liking. Just think! If we get sick we can either heal ourselves or die. Then we won't be usless eaters.
Tax the hell outta the corporations and they won't have money to throw around and corrupt the government. If corporations paid their fair share, we might have enough money to live within our means and not need handouts (entitlements).. No more corporate welfare (entitlements).

LACUMO posted on 2008-10-29 11:44:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: James Deffenbach (#5) (Edited)
It is not possible that she could be a bigger whackjob than McNutz. No way

Unlike Palin, at least McCain isn't an "end is nigh" rapture nutter. And he's better informed about what goes on in the world than she is, though that's not saying much.
All of his craziness is secular, so McCain doesn't go around pretending that God told him that we have to occupy Iraq for 100 years or bomb Iran. That in itself makes him less of an embarassment than Palin, who I expect to start talking in tongues during inauguration.

Rupert_Pupkin posted on 2008-10-29 12:02:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#36)
Many people believe "the end is near." Why would I (or you) fault someone for their beliefs? I also believe that (but don't make any predictions about it). And as for my previous comment, that she couldn't be a bigger whackjob than McNutz, I stand by that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2008-10-29 12:08:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: LACUMO (#35)
So what if the constitution says only corporations can be taxed? Does that give the government license to tax corporations out of existence in this nation? Use your brain - the government cannot give entitlements like Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid and SCHIPS and unemployment insurance and food stamps and what have you unless it has $ coming in. And if everyone is unemployed and businesses have moved their head offices to other nations because of better tax rates there, we are screwed. Get it?

scrapper2 posted on 2008-10-29 12:30:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: James Deffenbach (#37) (Edited)
With all due respect believing "the end is near." is neither here or there however when one digs a little deeper we find Sarah's "end times" idioligy is based on, as is the case with most if not all evangelicals,the Scofield Reference Bible and it's interpretation of Genesis written a hundred years ago....ironic that 70 million so called Christians believe in a lie...once one understands this it is easy to figure out why you have preachers like John Hagee and the Christian Zionist movements blind support of Israel....just my 2c

robnoel posted on 2008-10-29 12:47:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: robnoel (#39)
just my 2c

Used to be a dollar around 1913 !
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
noone222 posted on 2008-10-29 12:52:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: scrapper2 (#38) (Edited)
And if everyone is unemployed and businesses have moved their head offices to other nations because of better tax rates there, we are screwed. Get it?

Damned near everybody is unemployed and it is because the corporations are in control and don't want to abide by the Constitution and pay their fair share of taxes.
We ought to put import taxes on these companies products in the range of 50- 55%. Then maybe they would come back here and make their products using American labor. They are the reason so much of our dollars are leaving the country. Their greed is astounding!
...and I see you don't think very much of our Constitution. Bush doesn't either. He says it is nothing more than a Goddamned piece of paper. Thank you for being honest and telling us all that you put corporations and their welfare ahead of our Constitution and our people.
May I ask? Are you a socialist-commie supporter? Just asking since it appears you think so highly of corporate Amerika at the expense of the American people. Your man john mcnutz loves corporations too, especially savings and loans.

LACUMO posted on 2008-10-29 12:52:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: robnoel (#39)
I don't argue with people about religion. God will sort it all out in his own way and in his own time. I am comfortable with what I believe and make no apologies for it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2008-10-29 12:58:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: James Deffenbach (#42) (Edited)
Normally, I consider people's religious beliefs to be their business. However, when you have people running for public office whose policy decisions are influenced by their religious beliefs, those beliefs become everyone's business.
Christian Zionism is an example of how politicians' religious beliefs skew their foreign policy agendas, and it's perfectly legitimate to bring this into the open.

Rupert_Pupkin posted on 2008-10-29 13:02:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#43)
I think it is safe to say that everyone's "policies" are "influenced" by their religious beliefs. That can be good or bad, depends on the beliefs and the person. Beyond that, I don't argue about religion--I will add only that I would rather have someone who believes in the Golden Rule in a position of authority than someone who is a devil worshiper. If more people would actually live their lives in accordance with the Golden Rule there would be a lot less trouble in the world.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2008-10-29 13:14:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: James Deffenbach (#42)
Thats fine thats your right brother myself I can't live a lie!

robnoel posted on 2008-10-29 13:21:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: LACUMO (#41)
Are you a socialist-commie supporter? Just asking since it appears you think so highly of corporate Amerika at the expense of the American people. Your man john mcnutz loves corporations too, especially savings and loans.

I have given you more than enough slack based on your family's medical crisis this weekend.
You are a crochety old coot who only sees the trees - his entitlements - not the Big Forest picture.
Your only answers to the malaise that grips our nation today is a) higher taxes on businesses and imported goods and b) bigger gov't to implement these aforementioned taxes so entitlements can continue to flow uninterrupted.
The taxes you want implemented will only exacerbate our weakened economy. More taxes, bigger gov't bureaucracy are not what is needed. Less gov't intervention and less spending and less borrowing is what is needed. We have become a nation of consumers on several levels. Over 60% of Americans use gov't entitlements but that same group pay back less than $1000 a year in income taxes. This imbalance cannot continue without dire consequences to our nation's economic stability.
And no I don't support McCain. Besides being a RINO and leftie in many respects, he's dishonest and he puts America last, Israel first.
I have no shame in telling you what I am - I have admitted it many times before but perhaps you were not reading my posts previously. I am a Conservative and that means I am for small gov't, no military interventionalism abroad. I am against enshrined annual foreign aid plans except for foreign aid given on a case by case basis and only related to disasters of Nature. I am pro Constitution by original intent not per the Supreme Court's elastic "interpretation." I am for limited domestic entitlements except for the aged and unemployable due to physical or mental deficit. I am by and large pro free market except for gov't regulation for safety and hygiene standards. I am against Affirmative Action because it's gov't enforced racism. I am against conscription because it is a form of selective slavery based on age and gender.
What else do you need to know about my political positions to have you stop making baseless allegations that I'm some sort of stealth closet socialist because when you say off-the-wall things like that you make yourself look awfully silly and cause me to call you an old coot.

scrapper2 posted on 2008-10-29 13:55:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: scrapper2 (#46)
to have you stop making baseless allegations

You haven't figured out that that guy is a fraud? He posts like mekons4, always has a slype comment about McCain and gives monkey boy obama a break every chance he gets.
But wait.....I think there's 2 of them working the forum...like a tag team 2 stooges.
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
Flintlock posted on 2008-10-29 14:10:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: Flintlock (#47)
You haven't figured out that that guy is a fraud? He posts like mekons4, always has a sly comment about McCain and gives monkey boy obama a break every chance he gets.
But wait.....I think there's 2 of them working the forum...like a tag team 2 stooges.

Thanks for the head's up. Now things are starting to make sense. And you are right about LAC always managing to slip in a loophole for Obama and the Dem Party when he does his faux attack on the 2 parties being "equally" bad. Ha!

scrapper2 posted on 2008-10-29 14:16:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: scrapper2 (#46)
I am against conscription because it is a form of selective slavery based on age and gender.

I bet you are! I also bet you didn't serve in the military either. Are you 2C? I guess it is ok that you and the members who support and believe in the two party system that we have an all voluntary military. Those who are serving for the most part are serving because your favorite party took all the jobs out of the country and made basically involuntary volunteers in our military.
You can call me whatever you want. Nothing you could call me would hurt my feelings. You on the other hand have told me and all who have read this thread that our Constitution can be picked apart and we need only to enforce any part of it that allows creeps like you to destroy this country.
Corporate taxes are the only legitimate taxes allowed under our Constitution. Since you established the fact that we can pick and choose what part of the Constitution we want to enforce and we can chuck the rest of it. Purely socialist chicanery!
Our system of government allows for someone who is lazy or has a better mousetrap to sell to start up a business and get rich. There is nothing wrong with that providing they follow the rules and carry on their business in an honest way. That used to be the way things were here in America. Since the corporations have gotten bigger, more monopolistic, and more corrupt, they don't want to follow the rules.
When the rules are strictly followed the corporations prospered beyond anyones imagination. They became corrupt and corrupted our political system and have basically destroyed it along with our country. Apparently this is ok with you. Talk about shaming oneself. You are about on par with obanger and billyjoejimbob clinton who have given us nafta and yearn to finish off our economy. Mcnutz hasn't a clue. He's still trying to find out how many homes he has.
I will give you credit. You have been most honest in supporting chucking our Constitution, or at least the parts of it that get in the way of corporate agendas and profits.
Hard times are a coming and I hope you have a full pantry to sustain you and your family. Somebody got to keep the commie-socialist agenda alive. Crapper 2 suits you very well.

LACUMO posted on 2008-10-29 14:41:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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