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Title: Obama Must Stand Up Now or Step Down
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URL Source: http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin84.htm
Published: Oct 29, 2008
Author: Edwin Vieira
Post Date: 2008-10-29 13:46:02 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 4085
Comments: 201

America is facing potentially the gravest constitutional crisis in her history. Barack Obama must either stand up in a public forum and prove, with conclusive documentary evidence, that he is “a natural born Citizen” of the United States who has not renounced his American citizenship—or he must step down as the Democratic Party’s candidate for President of the United States—preferably before the election is held, and in any event before the Electoral College meets. Because, pursuant to the Constitution, only “a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of th[e] Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President” (Article II, Section 1, Clause 4). And Obama clearly was not “a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of th[e] Constitution.”

Whether the evidence will show that Obama is, or is not, “a natural born Citizen” who has never renounced his American citizenship is an open question. The arguments on both sides are as yet speculative. But Obama’s stubborn refusal to provide what he claims is “his own” country with conclusive proof on that score compels the presumption that he knows, or at least strongly suspects, that no sufficient evidence in his favor exists. After all, he is not being pressed to solve a problem in quantum physics that is “above his pay grade,” but only asked to provide the public with the original copy of some official record that establishes his citizenship. The vast majority of Americans could easily do so. Why will Obama not dispel the doubts about his eligibility—unless he can not?

Now that Obama’s citizenship has been seriously questioned, the burden of proof rests squarely on his shoulders. The “burden of establishing a delegation of power to the United States * * * is upon those making the claim.” Bute v. Illinois, 333 U.S. 640, 653 (1948). And if each of the General Government’s powers must be proven (not simply presumed) to exist, then every requirement that the Constitution sets for any individual’s exercise of those powers must also be proven (not simply presumed) to be fully satisfied before that individual may exercise any of those powers. The Constitution’s command that “[n]o Person except a natural born Citizen * * * shall be eligible to the Office of President” is an absolute prohibition against the exercise of each and every Presidential power by certain unqualified individuals. Actually (not simply presumptively or speculatively) being “a natural born Citizen” is the condition precedent sine qua non for avoiding this prohibition. Therefore, anyone who claims eligibility for “the Office of President” must, when credibly challenged, establish his qualifications in this regard with sufficient evidence.

In disposing of the lawsuit Berg v. Obama, which squarely presents the question of Obama’s true citizenship, the presiding judge complained that Berg “would have us derail the democratic process by invalidating a candidate for whom millions of people voted and who underwent excessive vetting during what was one of the most hotly contested presidential primary in living memory.” This is exceptionally thin hogwash. A proper judicial inquiry into Obama’s eligibility for “the Office of President” will not deny his supporters a “right” to vote for him—rather, it will determine whether they have any such “right” at all. For, just as Obama’s “right” to stand for election to “the Office of President” is contingent upon his being “a natural born Citizen,” so too are the “rights” of his partisans to vote for him contingent upon whether he is even eligible for that “Office.” If Obama is ineligible, then no one can claim any “right” to vote for him. Indeed, in that case every American who does vote has a constitutional duty to vote against him.

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#1. To: christine (#0)

Now that Obama’s citizenship has been seriously questioned

LOL - is the author building a straw man or... maybe a snow man? We got about a foot of wet snow here (PA) so, if anyone needs some to build the 'man', anyone is welcome. Bring a truck or 2.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-10-29   13:49:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#1)

When and to whom did the Messiah produce his birth cert?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-29   13:51:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

When and to whom did the Messiah produce his birth cert?

You know, this is not one of them things that keep me from sleeping at night. Should we agree that there is a process that's in line with the constitution where one files to run for the US prez job? If such a process exists and if you are familiar with it, you may be able to find out when and to whom the Messiah produced his birth cert.

By the way, isn't there some commandment that says that thou shall not take the name of the Lord in vain? But, not everyone is a Xtian, right? Maybe you're a Mooslim so that commandment don't apply to you.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-10-29   13:56:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#3)

Should we agree that there is a process that's in line with the constitution where one files to run for the US prez job?

how about we consider that that process was most likely abated by the traitorous america hating powers who are in the process of showing us once and for all that they install who they want?

christine  posted on  2008-10-29   14:15:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: christine (#10) (Edited)

we consider that that process was most likely abated by the traitorous america hating powers who are in the process of showing us once and for all that they install who they want?

If Berg is the mensch that he claims he is, he should identify the traitorous person who accepted Obama's registration and challenge that traitorous enemy to prove that Obama met the qualifications.

I am sorry to say, but you are falling for the dogs and ponies shows. All this agitation means nothing and leads nowhere because there no 'where' for it to go.

And, one more thing. Do note that McCain did beat Paul and all the other GOPs running, fair and square. You may not like it and I don't like it for sure but, McCain earned his GOP nomination and so did Obama earn his Demo nomination, beating the crap out of Hillary. If you disagree with the 2-party system or with the system we call 'representative democracy' or 'democratic republic' that's fine. I do too. But, trust me, Obama showing or not showing his birth certificate to Berg is not going to solve a thing.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-10-29   14:27:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#15)

All this agitation means nothing and leads nowhere because there no 'where' for it to go.

Spoken like a true Obama idolatress, rather than a Constitutionalist.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-29   14:30:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#16)

O good a food fight heres my take first off a google search shows it is pretty much the "fringe" web sites that are still pushing this, I did however find a story in Newsweek from August now I'm not saying Newsweek does not lean left but it was the closest I could find of a main stream media source covering this story....for what it's worth this is what they say.....

In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

www.newsweek.com/id/154599

robnoel  posted on  2008-10-29   14:44:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: robnoel (#20)

"FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate."

And that means what exactly?

Hello, anyone home?

When did the staffers of FactCheck.org ( an organization funded by the Annenberg Foundation cough, cough) become synonymous with THE FEDERAL ELECTIONS COMMISSION? Sheesh.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-29   15:05:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: scrapper2 (#31)

Bingo!!!

So, you're saying, it's none of Berg's business to peek at Obama's papers.

Thank you.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-10-29   15:07:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#32) (Edited)

Bingo!!!

So, you're saying, it's none of Berg's business to peek at Obama's papers.

Thank you.

No I'm not saying "that" which you allege.

Philip Berg is a Democratic Party member and he is a US citizen and voter and he has every right to question Obama's eligiblity to run for President as the Dem Party's candidate.

FactCheck staffers do not have standing to assure Philip Berg or for that matter the electorate at large that they have seen Obama's original birth certificate and it looked okay by them. Who cares about what "staffers of FactCheck" claim to have seen or not seen?

It's obvious that you and other Obamphiles are terrified that Obama is in fact ineligible to run for office.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-29   15:28:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: scrapper2 (#36)

Philip Berg is a Democratic Party member and he is a US citizen and voter and he has every right to question Obama's eligiblity to run for President

Are you saying that the FactCheck people are not US citizens and voters and, quite possibly, members of the Demo party?

I can't see the difference. Other than they asked nicely and were allowed to see something to which they were not entitled to see while Berg's show was, most likely, for the sake of publicity.

As you noted, it's not the FactCheck's or Berg's business to check Obama's papers. That is FEC's business.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-10-29   15:46:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, robnoel (#38) (Edited)

Are you saying that the FactCheck people are not US citizens and voters and, quite possibly, members of the Demo party?

I can't see the difference. Other than they asked nicely and were allowed to see something to which they were not entitled to see while Berg's show was, most likely, for the sake of publicity.

As you noted, it's not the FactCheck's or Berg's business to check Obama's papers. That is FEC's business.

FactCheck staffers do not represent Philip Berg or the US electorate at large. What FactCheck staffers see or don't see is of significance only to themselves and to those dupes like yourself and robnoel who allow FactCheck staffers' opinions about Obama's eligibility have standing in your lives.

Fyi, Philip Berg addressed his suit to the Federal Election Commission as well as the DNC et al.

Although the FEC is primarily a regulatory commission with regards to campaign finances, the FEC is also the official gov't receiver and custodian of Statement of Candidacy - FEC Form 2 - and at the bottom of this form it states:

"NOTE: Submission of false, erroneous, or incomplete information may subject the person signing this Statement to penalties of 2U.S.C.§437g."

When Obama chose to fill out and sign this form, he made himself subject to penalties if he violated our nation's election laws by submitting false or erroneous or incomplete information.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-29   16:05:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: scrapper2 (#41)

What I see you all doing is no different than before Bush's war on Iraq I was a minority then as I am a minority now and you guys are chasing ghosts if this was a big deal it would be all over the media not relegated to a few website's with a few hundred posters....it reminds me of Vince Foster affair

robnoel  posted on  2008-10-29   18:27:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: robnoel (#57)

if this was a big deal it would be all over the media

The elevation of Mandela to Sainthood was a global media sensation, not that it was true. Most I know didn't buy the propagenda, nevertheless today he's adored everywhere, save cyberspace, where we know better. The parallels bet. him and Obongo are similar as are their politics.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-29   20:22:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Jethro Tull (#90)

No question about that chalk it up to white guilt I've said this before America deserves Obama

robnoel  posted on  2008-10-29   20:27:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: robnoel (#92)

No question about that chalk it up to white guilt I've said this before America deserves Obama

One of the more ignorant statments I've seen from a presumed smart fellow.

Okay, here's the thing. We have been lied to, and as such being victims of a fraud does not entitle someone to wish for our death, which is what you imply knowing Obama is going to be payback. Niiiiiiice.

I should say, anyone as ignorant as this, deserves ebola, the clap and leperacy... starting with his d*ck, but I won't.

I guess to boil down your statement futher, a victim of child abuse or domestic violence, deserves it. You married them, you didn't know what they were capable of, too bad.

Is this how to save the soul of a nation? The sins of the 'evildoers' are all of ours to bear, and will be all of ours to bear. Let's make it worse shall we? Pefect slogan.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-10-29   21:24:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: OliviaFNewton (#114)

Let me put it into context Americans forced South Africans to accept a black president to cleanse its white guilt ...now you get to deal with it turn about is fair play...your other argument not with standing

robnoel  posted on  2008-10-29   21:45:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: robnoel (#120)

Let me put it into context Americans forced South Africans to accept a black president to cleanse its white guilt ...now you get to deal with it turn about is fair play...your other argument not with standing

So payback is a personal policy of targeted white hatred. That'll fix everything won't it. Rather than reveal the truth, you rather kill it and protect the true perpetrators. Ah, do you also write history books for the neo- cons?

My other argument will stand for your children whether you accept it or not. When they find themselves fighting issues of survival not of their choosing, remember, you failed to tell them they have God given rights, despite the shame of their birthparents.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-10-29   21:52:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: OliviaFNewton (#121)

No but maybe it will wake people like you up to the real world

robnoel  posted on  2008-10-29   21:58:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: robnoel (#122)

No but maybe it will wake people like you up to the real world

I am quite awake, and don't think Luciferian blood sacrifice of innocents is right. But you apparently do. I don't owe Africa a thing. Nothing. And we are talking about America and Americans.

You are blinded by hatred which will get you more of it. It is you that needs to wake up.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-10-29   22:15:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: OliviaFNewton (#127) (Edited)

It was the American government that forced Rhodesia to deal with a "terrorist" called Mugabe and like wise it was the American congress that forced sanctions on South Africa you may not feel you owe Africa anything but it was American policy that has caused mass murder and now genocide in Africa so don't talk to me about "Luciferian blood sacrifice of innocents"

robnoel  posted on  2008-10-29   22:23:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: robnoel (#128)

It was the American government that forced Rhodesia to deal with a "terrorist" called Mugabe and like wise it was the American congress that forced sanctions on South Africa you may not feel you owe Africa anything but it was American policy that has caused mass murder and now genocide in Africa so don't talk to me about "Luciferian blood sacrifice of innocents"

First, you say it ws the American Government that ... And you divert the blame to the people, which is NOT the government.

Second, Obama supports Mugabe, which means, you support the actions of the Government.

American policy has not been guided BY the American people for decades. Did you know that?

Are you aware of the lies told to rally the people to war? And for that, you would incinerate more innocents and continue to leave the perps blameless.

Helloooo??

No, if you know better and still want blood, you have a mental problem.

This isn't payback you want, it's genocide. Payback is when you smack the person that smacked you first.

So, why don't you suggest the Policy Makers pay the price?

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-10-29   22:30:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: OliviaFNewton (#130)

First you are not paying attention where have I ever said I support Obama,second Obama does not support Mugabe and where have I called for blood shed and for the record in America I thought the people were the government McCain tells me that everyday...as for mental problems I suggest you look into a mirror

robnoel  posted on  2008-10-29   22:41:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#133. To: robnoel (#132) (Edited)

First you are not paying attention where have I ever said I support Obama,

Really? American deserved Obama? Is that not an endorsement?

second Obama does not support Mugabe

Yes, he does. He supported funding Mugabe's government. It's a fact.

and where have I called for blood shed

you need to re-read your own posts.

I thought the people were the government

Then you haven't been paying attention to the facts. The rhetoric rocks the house, but we know different.

McCain tells me that everyday

As does Obama. WE are the change we have been waiting for. Sound familiar?

as for mental problems I suggest you look into a mirror

That's the best you have?

You've been a hypocrite from beginning to end on this discussion. You need to look at what you are promoting, the facts, and get familiar with the truth.

The truth is, it appears that nobody deserves the government they have. Now what? World depopulation or is that your overall position anyway?

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