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Title: Obama Must Stand Up Now or Step Down
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URL Source: http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin84.htm
Published: Oct 29, 2008
Author: Edwin Vieira
Post Date: 2008-10-29 13:46:02 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 11250
Comments: 201

America is facing potentially the gravest constitutional crisis in her history. Barack Obama must either stand up in a public forum and prove, with conclusive documentary evidence, that he is “a natural born Citizen” of the United States who has not renounced his American citizenship—or he must step down as the Democratic Party’s candidate for President of the United States—preferably before the election is held, and in any event before the Electoral College meets. Because, pursuant to the Constitution, only “a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of th[e] Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President” (Article II, Section 1, Clause 4). And Obama clearly was not “a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of th[e] Constitution.”

Whether the evidence will show that Obama is, or is not, “a natural born Citizen” who has never renounced his American citizenship is an open question. The arguments on both sides are as yet speculative. But Obama’s stubborn refusal to provide what he claims is “his own” country with conclusive proof on that score compels the presumption that he knows, or at least strongly suspects, that no sufficient evidence in his favor exists. After all, he is not being pressed to solve a problem in quantum physics that is “above his pay grade,” but only asked to provide the public with the original copy of some official record that establishes his citizenship. The vast majority of Americans could easily do so. Why will Obama not dispel the doubts about his eligibility—unless he can not?

Now that Obama’s citizenship has been seriously questioned, the burden of proof rests squarely on his shoulders. The “burden of establishing a delegation of power to the United States * * * is upon those making the claim.” Bute v. Illinois, 333 U.S. 640, 653 (1948). And if each of the General Government’s powers must be proven (not simply presumed) to exist, then every requirement that the Constitution sets for any individual’s exercise of those powers must also be proven (not simply presumed) to be fully satisfied before that individual may exercise any of those powers. The Constitution’s command that “[n]o Person except a natural born Citizen * * * shall be eligible to the Office of President” is an absolute prohibition against the exercise of each and every Presidential power by certain unqualified individuals. Actually (not simply presumptively or speculatively) being “a natural born Citizen” is the condition precedent sine qua non for avoiding this prohibition. Therefore, anyone who claims eligibility for “the Office of President” must, when credibly challenged, establish his qualifications in this regard with sufficient evidence.

In disposing of the lawsuit Berg v. Obama, which squarely presents the question of Obama’s true citizenship, the presiding judge complained that Berg “would have us derail the democratic process by invalidating a candidate for whom millions of people voted and who underwent excessive vetting during what was one of the most hotly contested presidential primary in living memory.” This is exceptionally thin hogwash. A proper judicial inquiry into Obama’s eligibility for “the Office of President” will not deny his supporters a “right” to vote for him—rather, it will determine whether they have any such “right” at all. For, just as Obama’s “right” to stand for election to “the Office of President” is contingent upon his being “a natural born Citizen,” so too are the “rights” of his partisans to vote for him contingent upon whether he is even eligible for that “Office.” If Obama is ineligible, then no one can claim any “right” to vote for him. Indeed, in that case every American who does vote has a constitutional duty to vote against him.

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#1. To: christine (#0)

Now that Obama’s citizenship has been seriously questioned

LOL - is the author building a straw man or... maybe a snow man? We got about a foot of wet snow here (PA) so, if anyone needs some to build the 'man', anyone is welcome. Bring a truck or 2.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-10-29   13:49:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#1)

When and to whom did the Messiah produce his birth cert?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-29   13:51:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

When and to whom did the Messiah produce his birth cert?

You know, this is not one of them things that keep me from sleeping at night. Should we agree that there is a process that's in line with the constitution where one files to run for the US prez job? If such a process exists and if you are familiar with it, you may be able to find out when and to whom the Messiah produced his birth cert.

By the way, isn't there some commandment that says that thou shall not take the name of the Lord in vain? But, not everyone is a Xtian, right? Maybe you're a Mooslim so that commandment don't apply to you.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-10-29   13:56:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#3)

Should we agree that there is a process that's in line with the constitution where one files to run for the US prez job?

how about we consider that that process was most likely abated by the traitorous america hating powers who are in the process of showing us once and for all that they install who they want?

christine  posted on  2008-10-29   14:15:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: christine (#10) (Edited)

we consider that that process was most likely abated by the traitorous america hating powers who are in the process of showing us once and for all that they install who they want?

If Berg is the mensch that he claims he is, he should identify the traitorous person who accepted Obama's registration and challenge that traitorous enemy to prove that Obama met the qualifications.

I am sorry to say, but you are falling for the dogs and ponies shows. All this agitation means nothing and leads nowhere because there no 'where' for it to go.

And, one more thing. Do note that McCain did beat Paul and all the other GOPs running, fair and square. You may not like it and I don't like it for sure but, McCain earned his GOP nomination and so did Obama earn his Demo nomination, beating the crap out of Hillary. If you disagree with the 2-party system or with the system we call 'representative democracy' or 'democratic republic' that's fine. I do too. But, trust me, Obama showing or not showing his birth certificate to Berg is not going to solve a thing.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-10-29   14:27:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#15)

All this agitation means nothing and leads nowhere because there no 'where' for it to go.

Spoken like a true Obama idolatress, rather than a Constitutionalist.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-29   14:30:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#16)

O good a food fight heres my take first off a google search shows it is pretty much the "fringe" web sites that are still pushing this, I did however find a story in Newsweek from August now I'm not saying Newsweek does not lean left but it was the closest I could find of a main stream media source covering this story....for what it's worth this is what they say.....

In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

www.newsweek.com/id/154599

robnoel  posted on  2008-10-29   14:44:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: robnoel (#20)

Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Oh, please don't do that.

But, anyway, the quote you provided came from 'THEM' so we are still in the gravest Constitutional crisis of them all - the possibility that the US Americans might end up electing a capable, intelligent, decent man to run their executory branch of government.

This is NOT acceptable.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-10-29   14:47:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#22)

the possibility that the US Americans might end up electing a capable, intelligent, decent man to run their executory branch of government.

If Obama is so decent and capable and intelligent as you paint him to be then he should do the right thing by the electorate and by the Constitution and produce his original birth certificate to demonstrate without any doubt that he is eligible to run for the highest elected office in the land.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-29   14:53:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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