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Title: Obama Must Stand Up Now or Step Down
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URL Source: http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin84.htm
Published: Oct 29, 2008
Author: Edwin Vieira
Post Date: 2008-10-29 13:46:02 by christine
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Views: 4420
Comments: 201
America is facing potentially the gravest constitutional crisis in her history. Barack Obama must either stand up in a public forum and prove, with conclusive documentary evidence, that he is “a natural born Citizen” of the United States who has not renounced his American citizenship—or he must step down as the Democratic Party’s candidate for President of the United States—preferably before the election is held, and in any event before the Electoral College meets. Because, pursuant to the Constitution, only “a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of th[e] Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President” (Article II, Section 1, Clause 4). And Obama clearly was not “a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of th[e] Constitution.” Whether the evidence will show that Obama is, or is not, “a natural born Citizen” who has never renounced his American citizenship is an open question. The arguments on both sides are as yet speculative. But Obama’s stubborn refusal to provide what he claims is “his own” country with conclusive proof on that score compels the presumption that he knows, or at least strongly suspects, that no sufficient evidence in his favor exists. After all, he is not being pressed to solve a problem in quantum physics that is “above his pay grade,” but only asked to provide the public with the original copy of some official record that establishes his citizenship. The vast majority of Americans could easily do so. Why will Obama not dispel the doubts about his eligibility—unless he can not? Now that Obama’s citizenship has been seriously questioned, the burden of proof rests squarely on his shoulders. The “burden of establishing a delegation of power to the United States * * * is upon those making the claim.” Bute v. Illinois, 333 U.S. 640, 653 (1948). And if each of the General Government’s powers must be proven (not simply presumed) to exist, then every requirement that the Constitution sets for any individual’s exercise of those powers must also be proven (not simply presumed) to be fully satisfied before that individual may exercise any of those powers. The Constitution’s command that “[n]o Person except a natural born Citizen * * * shall be eligible to the Office of President” is an absolute prohibition against the exercise of each and every Presidential power by certain unqualified individuals. Actually (not simply presumptively or speculatively) being “a natural born Citizen” is the condition precedent sine qua non for avoiding this prohibition. Therefore, anyone who claims eligibility for “the Office of President” must, when credibly challenged, establish his qualifications in this regard with sufficient evidence. In disposing of the lawsuit Berg v. Obama, which squarely presents the question of Obama’s true citizenship, the presiding judge complained that Berg “would have us derail the democratic process by invalidating a candidate for whom millions of people voted and who underwent excessive vetting during what was one of the most hotly contested presidential primary in living memory.” This is exceptionally thin hogwash. A proper judicial inquiry into Obama’s eligibility for “the Office of President” will not deny his supporters a “right” to vote for him—rather, it will determine whether they have any such “right” at all. For, just as Obama’s “right” to stand for election to “the Office of President” is contingent upon his being “a natural born Citizen,” so too are the “rights” of his partisans to vote for him contingent upon whether he is even eligible for that “Office.” If Obama is ineligible, then no one can claim any “right” to vote for him. Indeed, in that case every American who does vote has a constitutional duty to vote against him.
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#31. To: robnoel (#20)
And that means what exactly? Hello, anyone home? When did the staffers of FactCheck.org ( an organization funded by the Annenberg Foundation cough, cough) become synonymous with THE FEDERAL ELECTIONS COMMISSION? Sheesh.
Bingo!!! So, you're saying, it's none of Berg's business to peek at Obama's papers. Thank you.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Shouldn't it be enough for you that Obummer has graced us with his willingness to set aside his community organizing to be our humble leader??
oh, i know they are. it's just sad and maddening for me to see so many not only falling for it, but doing their part to ensure more of it.
It takes only one herder and two dogs to herd a thousand sheep and we have our share of the ...herded...here.
So, you're saying, it's none of Berg's business to peek at Obama's papers. Thank you. No I'm not saying "that" which you allege. Philip Berg is a Democratic Party member and he is a US citizen and voter and he has every right to question Obama's eligiblity to run for President as the Dem Party's candidate. FactCheck staffers do not have standing to assure Philip Berg or for that matter the electorate at large that they have seen Obama's original birth certificate and it looked okay by them. Who cares about what "staffers of FactCheck" claim to have seen or not seen? It's obvious that you and other Obamphiles are terrified that Obama is in fact ineligible to run for office.
Yes, you're right. The Saviour is our new, Maximum Leader. I stand at his ready.
Are you saying that the FactCheck people are not US citizens and voters and, quite possibly, members of the Demo party? I can't see the difference. Other than they asked nicely and were allowed to see something to which they were not entitled to see while Berg's show was, most likely, for the sake of publicity. As you noted, it's not the FactCheck's or Berg's business to check Obama's papers. That is FEC's business.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Our Left Wing Nut friends here at 4um are all in distress over a predetermined "election" in which they are the nose to tail sheep. All are non thinkers, programmed to follow the playbook at all costs, and it shows. Left Wing Logic... Anyone not supporting Obama is a racist...and McKooK supporter. Anyone supporting no one...is a closet McKooK supporter. McCain wins by one length, it is a stolen election warranting resistance. Obama wins by a nose, fair and square election for good Americans.
The Zionists in the Star Chamber made Ame4rica believe Oswald was the lone asswassin of JFK. Obama's citzenship is no problem. Afterall, they control the federal government as well as the media.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
I can't see the difference. Other than they asked nicely and were allowed to see something to which they were not entitled to see while Berg's show was, most likely, for the sake of publicity. As you noted, it's not the FactCheck's or Berg's business to check Obama's papers. That is FEC's business. FactCheck staffers do not represent Philip Berg or the US electorate at large. What FactCheck staffers see or don't see is of significance only to themselves and to those dupes like yourself and robnoel who allow FactCheck staffers' opinions about Obama's eligibility have standing in your lives. Fyi, Philip Berg addressed his suit to the Federal Election Commission as well as the DNC et al. Although the FEC is primarily a regulatory commission with regards to campaign finances, the FEC is also the official gov't receiver and custodian of Statement of Candidacy - FEC Form 2 - and at the bottom of this form it states: "NOTE: Submission of false, erroneous, or incomplete information may subject the person signing this Statement to penalties of 2U.S.C.§437g." When Obama chose to fill out and sign this form, he made himself subject to penalties if he violated our nation's election laws by submitting false or erroneous or incomplete information.
I wouldn't stick my neck out too far with this resource, Robby.
Berg was also an asst. DA for the state of PA for years. He isn't a gadfly, that I can see. His questions were straightforward and easily answered. Only the arrogance of a man (Obama) who places himself above the law could have gotten away with ignoring his suit.
When Obama chose to fill out FEC Form 2, Statement of Candidacy, he made himself subject to our nation's election laws and liable for suffering penalties if he filed false, erroneous, or incomplete information with the FEC. At the bottom of FEC Form 2 it states: "NOTE: Submission of false, erroneous, or incomplete information may subject the person signing this Statement to penalties of 2U.S.C.§437g."
Good, if the guy believes that the process was not followed, that's where he needs to go. Not harass people and demanding that he sees their papers like a Nazi a__hole or some ZOG covert agent. But, it appears that what he's after is making noise and get the more naive among us into some form of frenzied rage.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I call BS on that. If he actually has a LEGITIMATE birth certificate, one that shows he was actually born in THIS country (not Kenya), it would solve the problem that some of us have with someone who isn't even a citizen running for the highest public office in this country. Not that the piece of paper would make him worth a d@mn as President but it would prove that he is eligible to run.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. God or someone told ode Vast that Paul could not win, and whoever it was, was correct. Maybe olde Vast has more inside info on this event, might make a buck or two.
I second your opinion.
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
The FEC is the 2 Party Systems way of keeping out 3rd Party candidates. The FEC didn't exist when the Constitution was written. The FEC is bullshit.
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
The idiotlogical twins, Tweedledumb and Tweedledumber. Get it right. ;^)
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Maybe olde Vast has more inside info on this event, might make a buck or two. You could well have a point there.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. i've heard that more than 90% of americans do not believe the lone gun tale told by the government. not that it matters since they got away with it. so what's a little thing like citizenship matter?
Where's your birth certificate Barack ? Thanks. And I would like to see that certificate too (not that I think he has a legitimate one to show or he already would have shown it).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yes it is very sad. Most people seem to have been able to delude themselves about their level of discomfort concerning the many atrocities that have be perpetrated by the SARCs (Self-Appointed Ruling Class). The up-coming financial crisis will likely change all that and the myopic views of reality by many, who will be directly affected, will expand to include a vast litany of sins against them by the SARCs that they have heretofore been able to ignore in favor of false comfort. The SARCs know they have blundered and are very likely scared stupid.
Dont think most of the country could give a shit, nothwithstanding the very real possibility that his mother because of her age, residence, and laws of that time renders iffy the authenticity of Barack's US born claim in a strict interpretation of the laws of that time. The laws pertinent then could well have been changed by now, so different conditions, and the technical nature make it a moot point. It shouldn't be, and he should show whatever documentation he has. As he's not, it makes you wonder, but they've made a decision to not disclose, and the polls show no consequence. His passport records ought to show the details.
LOL! I like that.
What I see you all doing is no different than before Bush's war on Iraq I was a minority then as I am a minority now and you guys are chasing ghosts if this was a big deal it would be all over the media not relegated to a few website's with a few hundred posters....it reminds me of Vince Foster affair
That could change instantaneously if it were decreed. The mass media could hound him back to Africa if the will existed in the right places. It won't because he has already been selected.
great summation
What becomes a "big deal" and what doesn't, doesn't seem to be based in logic or fact.
I do not understand what you are saying. Not letting the "2-party system" get away with this most egregious insult to the American people is not "NOTHING", it is our duty as citizens.
Imagine, A reporter found to be gay, with his own xrated graphic solicitation website, assigned to the WhiteHouse pool, enters the executive area after hours, and exits late, and seems to have extraordinary access to the inner sanctums.... Scandal? Crisis? Whatever.......
"relegated to a few website's with a few hundred posters."
Here is a little gif I would like to show Obama, McCain and all their supporters. It is truly a sad day in America when what most people have to choose from is one guy who was most likely born in Africa--if he wasn't why won't he show the vault form of his birth certificate?--and another guy who is probably a Manchurian Candidate and has never seen a military expenditure he didn't approve. They are both un-American to the core.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I'll take a money bet on this if anyone is game...trying to save you guys from making fools of yourselves which you all done a pretty job of!
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You think what? Ha! MSM have self-identified themselves as Democrat voters so why would they report on this issue which could end up disqualifying their favorite Pres candidate?
Many of us are the same fools who took the government 9-11 tale, asked questions, and demolished it (pardon the pun). If I were to dismiss most of the material I've been listening to on alternate radio, beginning w/shortwave years ago, I'd still be an R posting on the Free Republic. IMVHO, BO is a Marxist and therefore deserves a heavy dose of scrutiny. If not here, where?
If the government's star witness in the "Day of Terror" trial released an audio tape of his discussion with his FBI handler discussing his role in organizing,planning and executing the 1993 World Trade Center bombing for the FBI was a big deal, it would be all over the media. If the government's complicity in the mass murder of 168 Americans in the Oklahoma City bombing was a big deal it would be all over the media. If two of the 9/11 hijackers were living with a highly paid FBI asset was a big deal, it would be all over the media. If George Bush, Sr. dining with Osama bin Laden's brother on 9/10/2001 was a big deal, it would be all over the media. I don't think the media does what you think it does.
While it's true that both Obama and McCain's political policies are un- American, McCain is eligible to run for the Oval office. Voters can reject McCain if they don't care for his policies. But if Obama cannot prove his natural born US citizenship, he is then ineligible to run for President. And by filling out and signing a Statement of Candidacy, FEC form 2, with incomplete false erroneous information Obama would also be subject to penalties under 2USsection437g. Obama would be violating election law. He should not be throwing his hat in the ring. He should not be violating the trust of his party or the time of the electorate or showing such blatant disrespect for the US Constitution.
And if the fact that a pineapple bomb was what did the damage to the Murrah Building rather than an ANFO bomb that would be all over the media too. Nothing to see here, run along everyone.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
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#32. To: scrapper2 (#31)
#33. To: Jethro Tull (#11)
Anyone who had as a mother a socialist whore, and a father who abandoned him to the US taxpayers for his homeland of Kenya, needs to show his papers to advance to the office of the president.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#34. To: eskimo (#17)
Do you think the owners of this government are laughing their arses off at the present response of the American people as a whole?
#35. To: christine, eskimo (#34)
#36. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#32)
(Edited)
Bingo!!!
#37. To: X-15 (#33)
Shouldn't it be enough for you that Obummer has graced us with his willingness to set aside his community organizing to be our humble leader??
#38. To: scrapper2 (#36)
Philip Berg is a Democratic Party member and he is a US citizen and voter and he has every right to question Obama's eligiblity to run for President
#39. To: Jethro Tull (#37)
#40. To: christine (#34)
(Edited)
Do you think the owners of this government are laughing their arses off at the present response of the American people as a whole? oh, i know they are. it's just sad and maddening for me to see so many not only falling for it, but doing their part to ensure more of it.
#41. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, robnoel (#38)
(Edited)
Are you saying that the FactCheck people are not US citizens and voters and, quite possibly, members of the Demo party?
#42. To: robnoel (#20)
FactCheck.org
#43. To: scrapper2 (#41)
#44. To: Jethro Tull (#43)
#45. To: scrapper2 (#41)
#46. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#15)
Obama showing or not showing his birth certificate to Berg is not going to solve a thing.
Lord Acton
#47. To: James Deffenbach (#46)
#48. To: James Deffenbach (#46)
I call BS on that. If he actually has a LEGITIMATE birth certificate, one that shows he was actually born in THIS country (not Kenya), it would solve the problem that some of us have with someone who isn't even a citizen running for the highest public office in this country. Not that the piece of paper would make him worth a d@mn as President but it would prove that he is eligible to run.
#49. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#38)
That is FEC's business.
#50. To: eskimo (#27)
How could you forget that? That was secondary however to the fact that the choice was dumb puppet or dumb puppet.
Lord Acton
#51. To: Cynicom (#47)
God or someone told ode Vast that Paul could not win, and whoever it was, was correct.
Lord Acton
#52. To: Zoroaster (#40)
The Zionists in the Star Chamber made Ame4rica believe Oswald was the lone asswassin of JFK. Obama's citzenship is no problem.
#53. To: noone222 (#48)
I second your opinion.
Lord Acton
#54. To: christine, Cynicom (#34)
oh, i know they are. it's just sad and maddening for me to see so many not only falling for it, but doing their part to ensure more of it.
#55. To: christine (#0)
#56. To: James Deffenbach (#50)
The idiotlogical twins,...
#57. To: scrapper2 (#41)
#58. To: swarthyguy (#55)
it makes you wonder, but they've made a decision to not disclose, and the polls show no consequence.
#59. To: swarthyguy (#55)
It shouldn't be, and he should show whatever documentation he has. As he's not, it makes you wonder, but they've made a decision to not disclose, and the polls show no consequence.
#60. To: robnoel (#57)
if this was a big deal it would be all over the media not relegated to a few website's with a few hundred posters....
#61. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#30)
If that's the case, you should probably focus on transforming or destroying the above. I wish you good luck and I may even lend you a hand but, trust me, going after some guy's birth certificate or fighting windmills solves NOTHING.
#62. To: duckhunter (#60)
big deal
#63. To: swarthyguy, robnoel (#62)
Scandal? Crisis? Whatever.......
#64. To: eskimo (#56)
LOL! I like that.
Lord Acton
#65. To: duckhunter (#63)
#66. To: robnoel (#65)
trying to save you guys from making fools of yourselves which you all done a pretty job of!
#67. To: robnoel (#57)
if this was a big deal it would be all over the media
#68. To: robnoel (#65)
...trying to save you guys from making fools of yourselves which you all done a pretty job of!
#69. To: robnoel (#57)
(Edited)
if this was a big deal it would be all over the media
#70. To: James Deffenbach (#64)
It is truly a sad day in America when what most people have to choose from is one guy who was most likely born in Africa--if he wasn't why won't he show the vault form of his birth certificate?--and another guy who is probably a Manchurian Candidate and has never seen a military expenditure he didn't approve. They are both un-American to the core.
#71. To: honway (#69)
If the government's complicity in the mass murder of 168 Americans in the Oklahoma City bombing was a big deal it would be all over the media.
Lord Acton
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