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Title: Obama Must Stand Up Now or Step Down
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URL Source: http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin84.htm
Published: Oct 29, 2008
Author: Edwin Vieira
Post Date: 2008-10-29 13:46:02 by christine
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America is facing potentially the gravest constitutional crisis in her history. Barack Obama must either stand up in a public forum and prove, with conclusive documentary evidence, that he is “a natural born Citizen” of the United States who has not renounced his American citizenship—or he must step down as the Democratic Party’s candidate for President of the United States—preferably before the election is held, and in any event before the Electoral College meets. Because, pursuant to the Constitution, only “a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of th[e] Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President” (Article II, Section 1, Clause 4). And Obama clearly was not “a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of th[e] Constitution.” Whether the evidence will show that Obama is, or is not, “a natural born Citizen” who has never renounced his American citizenship is an open question. The arguments on both sides are as yet speculative. But Obama’s stubborn refusal to provide what he claims is “his own” country with conclusive proof on that score compels the presumption that he knows, or at least strongly suspects, that no sufficient evidence in his favor exists. After all, he is not being pressed to solve a problem in quantum physics that is “above his pay grade,” but only asked to provide the public with the original copy of some official record that establishes his citizenship. The vast majority of Americans could easily do so. Why will Obama not dispel the doubts about his eligibility—unless he can not? Now that Obama’s citizenship has been seriously questioned, the burden of proof rests squarely on his shoulders. The “burden of establishing a delegation of power to the United States * * * is upon those making the claim.” Bute v. Illinois, 333 U.S. 640, 653 (1948). And if each of the General Government’s powers must be proven (not simply presumed) to exist, then every requirement that the Constitution sets for any individual’s exercise of those powers must also be proven (not simply presumed) to be fully satisfied before that individual may exercise any of those powers. The Constitution’s command that “[n]o Person except a natural born Citizen * * * shall be eligible to the Office of President” is an absolute prohibition against the exercise of each and every Presidential power by certain unqualified individuals. Actually (not simply presumptively or speculatively) being “a natural born Citizen” is the condition precedent sine qua non for avoiding this prohibition. Therefore, anyone who claims eligibility for “the Office of President” must, when credibly challenged, establish his qualifications in this regard with sufficient evidence. In disposing of the lawsuit Berg v. Obama, which squarely presents the question of Obama’s true citizenship, the presiding judge complained that Berg “would have us derail the democratic process by invalidating a candidate for whom millions of people voted and who underwent excessive vetting during what was one of the most hotly contested presidential primary in living memory.” This is exceptionally thin hogwash. A proper judicial inquiry into Obama’s eligibility for “the Office of President” will not deny his supporters a “right” to vote for him—rather, it will determine whether they have any such “right” at all. For, just as Obama’s “right” to stand for election to “the Office of President” is contingent upon his being “a natural born Citizen,” so too are the “rights” of his partisans to vote for him contingent upon whether he is even eligible for that “Office.” If Obama is ineligible, then no one can claim any “right” to vote for him. Indeed, in that case every American who does vote has a constitutional duty to vote against him.
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#1. To: christine (#0)
LOL - is the author building a straw man or... maybe a snow man? We got about a foot of wet snow here (PA) so, if anyone needs some to build the 'man', anyone is welcome. Bring a truck or 2.
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When and to whom did the Messiah produce his birth cert?
You know, this is not one of them things that keep me from sleeping at night. Should we agree that there is a process that's in line with the constitution where one files to run for the US prez job? If such a process exists and if you are familiar with it, you may be able to find out when and to whom the Messiah produced his birth cert. By the way, isn't there some commandment that says that thou shall not take the name of the Lord in vain? But, not everyone is a Xtian, right? Maybe you're a Mooslim so that commandment don't apply to you.
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you're being an idiot, vast. this is a constitutional crisis. it's not a laughing matter unless you, like bush and apparently obama, think the constitution is just a goddamned piece of paper.
I'll ask the question again.
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
Most Negro fellators such as yourself have trouble sleeping at night, but that wasn't the question.
I think it's pretty funny, given that McInsane was born in the Canal Zone.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Of course not, you're a Communist shit stain in America that wipes her ass with the Constitution just like the Bush-Clinton crime syndicate. You deserve what's coming; many of us don't. GFY
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
With all due respect - and I am not calling anyone an idiot, I'm only making it easy for those who are so to expose themselves in all their resplendent idiocy - this is not a constitutional crisis. Like I said, if anyone feels that the process has been violated, they should audit the process. We are not Nazis, challenging people to show us their 'papers'. No candidate for any elected job is obligated to show his papers to Borg or Berg or to any cook that feels like feeling self-important in any particular day.
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how about we consider that that process was most likely abated by the traitorous america hating powers who are in the process of showing us once and for all that they install who they want?
Wrong. Anyone who had as a mother a socialist whore, and a father who abandoned him to the US taxpayers for his homeland of Kenya, needs to show his papers to advance to the office of the president.
I overestimated you. You're a garden variety idiot, thus naturally a common prole.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
You're comparing apples to oranges. There are No Questions about the citizenship of BOTH of John McCain's parents John McCain's Father was on Active Duty with the US Navy when John was born AND The Canal Zone was a US Possession. There is NO Question about the eligibility of John McCain to run for President. He is considered a Natural Born American On the other hand.....obama has problems and REFUSES to produce a simple document like his Birth Certificate. Why? Why? Why?
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
Like it or not McCain is a natural born citizen under terms of US law covering US citizen military stationed in the Panama Canal Zone and their children born there. But Obama might not be a natural born US citizen because of his mother's age and where she gave birth to him and also because they both later moved to Indonesia with Obama's step-father and took up Indonesian citizenship. Obama needs to provide the FEC his original birth certificate. And fyi, the suit against Obama and the Dem Party was filed by a long-standing Dem supporter, Philip Berg, because he did not want his party blindly promoting a non-citizen as their candidate for the WH.
If Berg is the mensch that he claims he is, he should identify the traitorous person who accepted Obama's registration and challenge that traitorous enemy to prove that Obama met the qualifications. I am sorry to say, but you are falling for the dogs and ponies shows. All this agitation means nothing and leads nowhere because there no 'where' for it to go. And, one more thing. Do note that McCain did beat Paul and all the other GOPs running, fair and square. You may not like it and I don't like it for sure but, McCain earned his GOP nomination and so did Obama earn his Demo nomination, beating the crap out of Hillary. If you disagree with the 2-party system or with the system we call 'representative democracy' or 'democratic republic' that's fine. I do too. But, trust me, Obama showing or not showing his birth certificate to Berg is not going to solve a thing.
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Spoken like a true Obama idolatress, rather than a Constitutionalist.
We have had them install the fatherless son of an Arkansan prostitute, the most intellectually deficient spawn of the Bush crime family and now they are intending an even greater insult to the American people, the installation of an African Muslim Marxist type political puppet who is, in all likelihood, not even eligible to be president under the Constitution. Do you think the owners of this government are laughing their arses off at the present response of the American people as a whole?
travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html The certified birth certificate requirements for a U.S. passport are clear. Shouldn't the requirements to be President of the United States be at least as stringent as the requirements for a passport? *A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes. ---------------------------------------------- What did Obama use to get a passport? Has anyone asked? The non-elected rulers that will be selecting the next president don't give a damn about the United States Constitution. Selecting a man born and raised outside the United States is just another slap in the face to every man and woman that supports the U.S. Constitution. People get the kind of government they deserve.
The difference between having Obama president or Biden is so small in policy terms as to be meaningless. And if McThuselah has everything lined up to steal it anyway, what difference does it make?
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
O good a food fight heres my take first off a google search shows it is pretty much the "fringe" web sites that are still pushing this, I did however find a story in Newsweek from August now I'm not saying Newsweek does not lean left but it was the closest I could find of a main stream media source covering this story....for what it's worth this is what they say..... In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake." We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
Just keep in mind that 'them' us very much 'us', because it's been a majority of those of 'us' who voted that got 'their' pick elected. Oh, yes... the elections were rigged, I forgot. And so were ALL of them polls that were showing, even before the votes were cast, that a majority or a near majority of Americans were willing to vote for and get those awful people elected and then, RE-ELECTED. It's very interesting.
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Oh, please don't do that. But, anyway, the quote you provided came from 'THEM' so we are still in the gravest Constitutional crisis of them all - the possibility that the US Americans might end up electing a capable, intelligent, decent man to run their executory branch of government. This is NOT acceptable.
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Heads up in no way do I think Obama is qualified to be President decent nice guy yes President no!
Oh puhleaze. McCain beat Ron Paul unfairly because Ron Paul got little face time in the debates and the MSM portrayed Ron Paul as an isolationist who hung out with "kooky" truthers. As to beating the other candidates, I can't even remember who they were, so that's who McCain "beat" ie. empty shells, forgetable RINO ghosts. As for Obama beating Hillary fair and square - what a joke! Were it not for John Edwards taking Hillary on relentlessly in the Dem debates, Hillary would have the Dem candidacy wrapped up. Obama sat through those debates like a sleepy head speechless dolt with big ears, a spectator who watched Edwards tear Hillary apart.
If Obama is so decent and capable and intelligent as you paint him to be then he should do the right thing by the electorate and by the Constitution and produce his original birth certificate to demonstrate without any doubt that he is eligible to run for the highest elected office in the land.
Why don't you state berg's real reason. He was and is, and will always be a hitlery supporter til death. As for obanger, yes he should clear this up before the election. Funny though, Jesus Christ could produce obanger's 'real' birth certificate and you neo con commie- socialists would scream its a fraud. I hope he isn't a natural born citizen, but that still doesn't help us out of the dilema we face with two un-American candidates.
How could you forget that? That was secondary however to the fact that the choice was dumb puppet or dumb puppet.
Interesting that factcheck.org is registered to the Annenberg Public Policy Center. Um. see the link? Annenberg. Bill Ayers? Naw. its just a coincidence. In other words, the site you gave as being nonpartisan is PARTISAN!
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
Obama could not get a U.S. passport using this document, but Americans are supposed to believe it is sufficient to meet the requirements of the Constitution. Passport requirement *A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.
The 2-party system and the uber-powerful state seem to be your enemies, not the individuals that emerge in top positions of power while following the existing rules. If that's the case, you should probably focus on transforming or destroying the above. I wish you good luck and I may even lend you a hand but, trust me, going after some guy's birth certificate or fighting windmills solves NOTHING.
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And that means what exactly? Hello, anyone home? When did the staffers of FactCheck.org ( an organization funded by the Annenberg Foundation cough, cough) become synonymous with THE FEDERAL ELECTIONS COMMISSION? Sheesh.
Bingo!!! So, you're saying, it's none of Berg's business to peek at Obama's papers. Thank you.
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Shouldn't it be enough for you that Obummer has graced us with his willingness to set aside his community organizing to be our humble leader??
oh, i know they are. it's just sad and maddening for me to see so many not only falling for it, but doing their part to ensure more of it.
It takes only one herder and two dogs to herd a thousand sheep and we have our share of the ...herded...here.
So, you're saying, it's none of Berg's business to peek at Obama's papers. Thank you. No I'm not saying "that" which you allege. Philip Berg is a Democratic Party member and he is a US citizen and voter and he has every right to question Obama's eligiblity to run for President as the Dem Party's candidate. FactCheck staffers do not have standing to assure Philip Berg or for that matter the electorate at large that they have seen Obama's original birth certificate and it looked okay by them. Who cares about what "staffers of FactCheck" claim to have seen or not seen? It's obvious that you and other Obamphiles are terrified that Obama is in fact ineligible to run for office.
Yes, you're right. The Saviour is our new, Maximum Leader. I stand at his ready.
Are you saying that the FactCheck people are not US citizens and voters and, quite possibly, members of the Demo party? I can't see the difference. Other than they asked nicely and were allowed to see something to which they were not entitled to see while Berg's show was, most likely, for the sake of publicity. As you noted, it's not the FactCheck's or Berg's business to check Obama's papers. That is FEC's business.
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Our Left Wing Nut friends here at 4um are all in distress over a predetermined "election" in which they are the nose to tail sheep. All are non thinkers, programmed to follow the playbook at all costs, and it shows. Left Wing Logic... Anyone not supporting Obama is a racist...and McKooK supporter. Anyone supporting no one...is a closet McKooK supporter. McCain wins by one length, it is a stolen election warranting resistance. Obama wins by a nose, fair and square election for good Americans.
The Zionists in the Star Chamber made Ame4rica believe Oswald was the lone asswassin of JFK. Obama's citzenship is no problem. Afterall, they control the federal government as well as the media.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
I can't see the difference. Other than they asked nicely and were allowed to see something to which they were not entitled to see while Berg's show was, most likely, for the sake of publicity. As you noted, it's not the FactCheck's or Berg's business to check Obama's papers. That is FEC's business. FactCheck staffers do not represent Philip Berg or the US electorate at large. What FactCheck staffers see or don't see is of significance only to themselves and to those dupes like yourself and robnoel who allow FactCheck staffers' opinions about Obama's eligibility have standing in your lives. Fyi, Philip Berg addressed his suit to the Federal Election Commission as well as the DNC et al. Although the FEC is primarily a regulatory commission with regards to campaign finances, the FEC is also the official gov't receiver and custodian of Statement of Candidacy - FEC Form 2 - and at the bottom of this form it states: "NOTE: Submission of false, erroneous, or incomplete information may subject the person signing this Statement to penalties of 2U.S.C.§437g." When Obama chose to fill out and sign this form, he made himself subject to penalties if he violated our nation's election laws by submitting false or erroneous or incomplete information.
I wouldn't stick my neck out too far with this resource, Robby.
Berg was also an asst. DA for the state of PA for years. He isn't a gadfly, that I can see. His questions were straightforward and easily answered. Only the arrogance of a man (Obama) who places himself above the law could have gotten away with ignoring his suit.
When Obama chose to fill out FEC Form 2, Statement of Candidacy, he made himself subject to our nation's election laws and liable for suffering penalties if he filed false, erroneous, or incomplete information with the FEC. At the bottom of FEC Form 2 it states: "NOTE: Submission of false, erroneous, or incomplete information may subject the person signing this Statement to penalties of 2U.S.C.§437g."
Good, if the guy believes that the process was not followed, that's where he needs to go. Not harass people and demanding that he sees their papers like a Nazi a__hole or some ZOG covert agent. But, it appears that what he's after is making noise and get the more naive among us into some form of frenzied rage.
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I call BS on that. If he actually has a LEGITIMATE birth certificate, one that shows he was actually born in THIS country (not Kenya), it would solve the problem that some of us have with someone who isn't even a citizen running for the highest public office in this country. Not that the piece of paper would make him worth a d@mn as President but it would prove that he is eligible to run.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. God or someone told ode Vast that Paul could not win, and whoever it was, was correct. Maybe olde Vast has more inside info on this event, might make a buck or two.
I second your opinion.
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
The FEC is the 2 Party Systems way of keeping out 3rd Party candidates. The FEC didn't exist when the Constitution was written. The FEC is bullshit.
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
The idiotlogical twins, Tweedledumb and Tweedledumber. Get it right. ;^)
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Maybe olde Vast has more inside info on this event, might make a buck or two. You could well have a point there.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. i've heard that more than 90% of americans do not believe the lone gun tale told by the government. not that it matters since they got away with it. so what's a little thing like citizenship matter?
Where's your birth certificate Barack ? Thanks. And I would like to see that certificate too (not that I think he has a legitimate one to show or he already would have shown it).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yes it is very sad. Most people seem to have been able to delude themselves about their level of discomfort concerning the many atrocities that have be perpetrated by the SARCs (Self-Appointed Ruling Class). The up-coming financial crisis will likely change all that and the myopic views of reality by many, who will be directly affected, will expand to include a vast litany of sins against them by the SARCs that they have heretofore been able to ignore in favor of false comfort. The SARCs know they have blundered and are very likely scared stupid.
Dont think most of the country could give a shit, nothwithstanding the very real possibility that his mother because of her age, residence, and laws of that time renders iffy the authenticity of Barack's US born claim in a strict interpretation of the laws of that time. The laws pertinent then could well have been changed by now, so different conditions, and the technical nature make it a moot point. It shouldn't be, and he should show whatever documentation he has. As he's not, it makes you wonder, but they've made a decision to not disclose, and the polls show no consequence. His passport records ought to show the details.
LOL! I like that.
What I see you all doing is no different than before Bush's war on Iraq I was a minority then as I am a minority now and you guys are chasing ghosts if this was a big deal it would be all over the media not relegated to a few website's with a few hundred posters....it reminds me of Vince Foster affair
That could change instantaneously if it were decreed. The mass media could hound him back to Africa if the will existed in the right places. It won't because he has already been selected.
great summation
What becomes a "big deal" and what doesn't, doesn't seem to be based in logic or fact.
I do not understand what you are saying. Not letting the "2-party system" get away with this most egregious insult to the American people is not "NOTHING", it is our duty as citizens.
Imagine, A reporter found to be gay, with his own xrated graphic solicitation website, assigned to the WhiteHouse pool, enters the executive area after hours, and exits late, and seems to have extraordinary access to the inner sanctums.... Scandal? Crisis? Whatever.......
"relegated to a few website's with a few hundred posters."
Here is a little gif I would like to show Obama, McCain and all their supporters. It is truly a sad day in America when what most people have to choose from is one guy who was most likely born in Africa--if he wasn't why won't he show the vault form of his birth certificate?--and another guy who is probably a Manchurian Candidate and has never seen a military expenditure he didn't approve. They are both un-American to the core.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I'll take a money bet on this if anyone is game...trying to save you guys from making fools of yourselves which you all done a pretty job of!
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You think what? Ha! MSM have self-identified themselves as Democrat voters so why would they report on this issue which could end up disqualifying their favorite Pres candidate?
Many of us are the same fools who took the government 9-11 tale, asked questions, and demolished it (pardon the pun). If I were to dismiss most of the material I've been listening to on alternate radio, beginning w/shortwave years ago, I'd still be an R posting on the Free Republic. IMVHO, BO is a Marxist and therefore deserves a heavy dose of scrutiny. If not here, where?
If the government's star witness in the "Day of Terror" trial released an audio tape of his discussion with his FBI handler discussing his role in organizing,planning and executing the 1993 World Trade Center bombing for the FBI was a big deal, it would be all over the media. If the government's complicity in the mass murder of 168 Americans in the Oklahoma City bombing was a big deal it would be all over the media. If two of the 9/11 hijackers were living with a highly paid FBI asset was a big deal, it would be all over the media. If George Bush, Sr. dining with Osama bin Laden's brother on 9/10/2001 was a big deal, it would be all over the media. I don't think the media does what you think it does.
While it's true that both Obama and McCain's political policies are un- American, McCain is eligible to run for the Oval office. Voters can reject McCain if they don't care for his policies. But if Obama cannot prove his natural born US citizenship, he is then ineligible to run for President. And by filling out and signing a Statement of Candidacy, FEC form 2, with incomplete false erroneous information Obama would also be subject to penalties under 2USsection437g. Obama would be violating election law. He should not be throwing his hat in the ring. He should not be violating the trust of his party or the time of the electorate or showing such blatant disrespect for the US Constitution.
And if the fact that a pineapple bomb was what did the damage to the Murrah Building rather than an ANFO bomb that would be all over the media too. Nothing to see here, run along everyone.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. duckhunter: ?? I agree with you, duckhunter. Such arrogence and condescension from robnoel is pretty amazing. Just because we'd like Obama to show his original US birth certificate to the FEC to prove his eligibility to run for the Oval Office, we are foolish??? Who is the foolish one? Who is the dupe?
Do you think Michael Chertof DHS and the INS are just sitting by and watching this pass by unchallenged if he ain't a legal citizen then what is he a green card resident....get a grip!
Think I understand why the GOP is softpedaling this. Herr Schwarznegger, will you place your hand on the bible, please?
Good post. I agree with you on both points. People have the opportunity to reject McCain if they don't like how he has voted and at least he is eligible to run. Obama may very well be ineligible and if he were eligible I don't believe he would find it so hard to produce the documentation. Hell, I had to provide a birth certificate--that is, an actual AMERICAN birth certificate--to get a passport. Surely the documents necessary to prove you are qualified to run for President are at least as strict as they are to get a passport, wouldn't you think?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. It's not quite that, is it? It's not being naturalized, which automatically disqualifies one, but the fact of his natural born status. If in US, A-OK. If not, Ineligible. Technically, according to the laws of that time, that's not strictly true, the birth mother has residency requirements to fulfill if the father was not a citizen, but why quibble. No one's questioning his citizenship. It's whether he's entitled to run based on the criteria of the constitution.
that's what i predict
My point was more a viewpoint of the extreme cynic. I don't think it matters whether Obama was born here or not. The truth is simply irrelevant as to whether these things become a "big deal" or not. The lyrics of a familiar song comes to mind; "When they own the information, the can bend it all they want."
Something tells me this would be a violation of Obama's civil rights and his affirmative action rights. The DNC may cover for Obama, saying ya know, lots of black "chillun" ain't never heard uh no dam birf certificate" plus what you sposed to do ifn you ain't entirely sho who does da daddy really be ???
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
Herr Schwarznegger, will you place your hand on the bible, please? Perhaps. But I think it's more likely that the GOP does not want to be tar and feathered by MSM and Obamaphiles that they are "swift boating a nice black college professor candidate" thingie.
It's a funny paradox, contradiction, sad, really that as we have been inundated with the Internet Paradigm, Information yearns to be free, it may yearn and we may have access but we(editors, viewers, readers) shut out more and more of it. Unless you have an internet connection and a desire to be informed, you would end up with no more than say, 50 years ago, "news" channels notwithstanding.
i guess we can conclude that you think that Edwin Vieira (constitutional lawyer) is making a fool of himself too? i'm surprised at your attitude on this, robby.
You would probably have more material, but less substantial content, unless you watched the comedy channels too.
The producer of Colbert or Stewart attributed one reason for their success to the abysmal job the newsnets have done.
"Comedians are the only people who are allowed to tell the truth"
I am not surprised, not after he called me a freeper earlier (or said something to the effect that that is where I should be posting).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You should know me by now I don't follow the herd or Edwin I respect him but yes I think he is causing a lot of folks to gets their panties in knot over a none issue I've looked at the documents if they fake they are very good ones....Edwin has time on his side to prove his point.....from now till Jan 20th ..... PS , the phrase "natural born Citizen" is not defined anywhere in the Constitution itself and its interpretation has never been the subject of a U.S. Supreme Court ruling.
If in US, A-OK. If not, Ineligible. Technically, according to the laws of that time, that's not strictly true, the birth mother has residency requirements to fulfill if the father was not a citizen, but why quibble. No one's questioning his citizenship. It's whether he's entitled to run based on the criteria of the constitution. Bears repeating over and over again. It's not whether Obama is a US citizen. It's whether or not he is NATURAL BORN in order to be eligible to run for the Oval Office - naturalized citizens cannot run for President - natural born has very specific requirements - either Obama was born in the USA ( in Hawaii ??? and can produce his original birth certificate showing this to be true ) OR if Obama was born outside the USA/US military base was his mother eligible to pass on US citizenship to him at the time - the answer being no because she needed to reside in the USA for 5 years after age 16 and since she gave birth to Obama at age 18 she did not meet the requirement.
Do you suppose it could be defined as a bastard mulatto from Kenya ???
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
The elevation of Mandela to Sainthood was a global media sensation, not that it was true. Most I know didn't buy the propagenda, nevertheless today he's adored everywhere, save cyberspace, where we know better. The parallels bet. him and Obongo are similar as are their politics.
Is that original or stolen????
No question about that chalk it up to white guilt I've said this before America deserves Obama
Doesn't need to be defined. Physically born in the USA. Second, if father not a citizen, then mother has to reside in the US 5 years after birth as noted above. The citizenship laws took this possiblity into account. Technically, legally, he's not eligible. It's the only elective office he's not eligible for. But as I say, why quibble.
You have a point, and I think if Obama is chosen, it will have a long term, positive effect. The quislings have been identified and fled, and those who remain on the side of freedom, will fight if there is no alternative. Now for some leadership.
Bottom line Philip Berg filed suit for documented proof that Obama was qualified to obtain office of President if elected. The case was dismissed based on Berg did not have standing ergo he now has a appeal pending before the U.S. Supreme Court. Who knows how long that will take I guess it will be well after Jan 20th 2009 ....so my question why is everyone getting so bent out of shape it's a worthless exercise
Every American has what lawyers call “an implied cause of action”—directly under Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 of the Constitution—to require that anyone standing for “the Office of President” must verify his eligibility for that position, at least when serious allegations have been put forward that he is not eligible, and he has otherwise refused to refute those allegations with evidence that should be readily available if he is eligible. That “Case[ ]” is one the Constitution itself defines. And the Constitution must be enforceable in such a “Case[ ]” in a timely manner, by anyone who cares to seek enforcement, because of the horrendous consequences that will ensue if it is flouted. What are some of those consequences? First, if Obama is not “a natural born Citizen” or has renounced such citizenship, he is simply not eligible for “the Office of President” (Article II, Section 1, Clause 4). That being so, he cannot be “elected” by the voters, by the Electoral College, or by the House of Representatives (see Amendment XII). For neither the voters, nor the Electors, nor Members of the House can change the constitutional requirement, even by unanimous vote inter sese (see Article V). If, nonetheless, the voters, the Electors, or the Members of the House purport to “elect” Obama, he will be nothing but an usurper, because the Constitution defines him as such. And he can never become anything else, because an usurper cannot gain legitimacy if even all of the country aid, abets, accedes to, or acquiesces in his usurpation. Second, if Obama dares to take the Presidential “Oath or Affirmation” of office, knowing that he is not “a natural born Citizen,” he will commit the crime of perjury or false swearing (see Article II, Section 1, Clause 7). For, being ineligible for “the Office of President, he cannot “faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States,” or even execute it at all, to any degree. Thus, his very act of taking the “Oath or Affirmation” will be a violation thereof! So, even if the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court himself looks the other way and administers the “Oath or Affirmation,” Obama will derive no authority whatsoever from it. Third, his purported “Oath or Affirmation” being perjured from the beginning, Obama’s every subsequent act in the usurped “Office of President” will be a criminal offense under Title 18, United States Code, Section 242, which provides that: [w]hoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States * * * shall be fined * * * or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined * * * or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, * * *, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined * * * or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death. Plainly enough, every supposedly “official” act performed by an usurper in the President’s chair will be an act “under color of law” that necessarily and unavoidably “subjects [some] person * * * to the deprivation of [some] rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution * * * of the United States”—in the most general case, of the constitutional “right[ ]” to an eligible and duly elected individual serving as President, and the corresponding constitutional “immunit[y]” from subjection to an usurper pretending to be “the President.” Fourth, if he turns out to be nothing but an usurper acting in the guise of “the President,” Obama will not constitutionally be the “Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States” (see Article II, Section 2, Clause 1). Therefore, he will be entitled to no obedience whatsoever from anyone in those forces. Indeed, for officers or men to follow any of his purported “orders” will constitute a serious breach of military discipline—and in extreme circumstances perhaps even “war crimes.” In addition, no one in any civilian agency in the Executive Branch of the General Government will be required to put into effect any of Obama’s purported “proclamations,” “executive orders,” or “directives.” Fifth, as nothing but an usurper (if he becomes one), Obama will have no conceivable authority “to make Treaties”, or to “nominate, and * * * appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the Supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not * * * otherwise provided for [in the Constitution]” (Article II, Section 2, Clause 2). And therefore any “Treaties” or “nominat[ions], and * * * appoint[ments]” he purports to “make” will be void ab initio, no matter what the Senate does, because the Senate can neither authorize an usurper to take such actions in the first place, nor thereafter ratify them. One need not be a lawyer to foresee what further, perhaps irremediable, chaos must ensue if an usurper, even with “the Advice and Consent of the Senate”, unconstitutionally “appoint[s] * * * Judges of the Supreme Court” whose votes thereafter make up the majorities that wrongly decide critical “Cases” of constitutional law. Sixth, and perhaps most importantly, Congress can pass no law while an usurper pretends to occupy “the Office of President.” The Constitution provides that “[e]very Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States” (Article I, Section 7, Clause 2). Not to an usurper posturing as “the President of the United States,” but to the true and rightful President. If no such true and rightful President occupies the White House, no “Bill” will or can, “before it become a Law, be presented to [him].” If no “Bill” is so presented, no “Bill” will or can become a “Law.” And any purported “Law” that the usurper “approve[s]” and “sign[s],” or that Congress passes over the usurper’s “Objections,” will be a nullity. Thus, if Obama deceitfully “enters office” as an usurper, Congress will be rendered effectively impotent for as long as it acquiesces in his pretenses as “President.” Seventh, if Obama does become an usurper posturing as “the President,” Congress cannot even impeach him because, not being the actual President, he cannot be “removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors” (see Article II, Section 4). In that case, some other public officials would have to arrest him—with physical force, if he would not go along quietly—in order to prevent him from continuing his imposture. Obviously, this could possibly lead to armed conflicts within the General Government itself, or among the States and the people. Eighth, even did something approaching civil war not eventuate from Obama’s hypothetical usurpation, if the Establishment allowed Obama to pretend to be “the President,” and the people acquiesced in that charade, just about everything that was done during his faux “tenure in office” by anyone connected with the Executive Branch of the General Government, and quite a bit done by the Legislative Branch and perhaps the Judicial Branch as well, would be arguably illegitimate and subject to being overturned when a constitutional President was finally installed in office. The potential for chaos, both domestically and internationally, arising out of this systemic uncertainty is breathtaking. The underlying problem will not be obviated if Obama, his partisans in the Democratic Party, and his cheerleaders and cover-up artists in the big media simply stonewall the issue of his (non)citizenship and contrive for him to win the Presidential election. The cat is already out of the bag and running all over the Internet. If he continues to dodge the issue, Obama will be dogged with this question every day of his purported “Presidency.” And inevitably the truth will out. For the issue is too simple, the evidence (or lack of it) too accessible. Either Obama can prove that he is “a natural born Citizen” who has not renounced his citizenship; or he cannot. And he will not be allowed to slip through with some doctored “birth certificate” generated long after the alleged fact. On a matter this important, Americans will demand that, before its authenticity is accepted, any supposed documentary evidence of that sort be subjected to reproducible forensic analyses conducted by reputable, independent investigators and laboratories above any suspicion of being influenced by or colluding with any public official, bureaucracy, political party, or other special-interest organization whatsoever. Berg v. Obama may very well end up in the Supreme Court. Yet that ought to be unnecessary. For Obama’s moral duty is to produce the evidence of his citizenship sua sponte et instanter. Otherwise, he will be personally responsible for all the consequences of his refusal to do so. Of course, if Obama knows that he is not “a natural born Citizen” who never renounced his American citizenship, then he also knows that he and his henchmen have perpetrated numerous election-related frauds throughout the country—the latest, still-ongoing one a colossal swindle targeting the American people as a whole. If that is the case, his refusal “to be a witness against himself” is perfectly explicable and even defensible on the grounds of the Fifth Amendment. Howsoever justified as a matter of criminal law, though, Obama’s silence and inaction will not obviate the necessity for him to prove his eligibility for “the Office of President.” The Constitution may permit him to “take the Fifth;” but it will not suffer him to employ that evasion as a means to usurp the Presidency of the United States.
It's some catch, that catch22, since the Secy of State of WA was denied the info. So who has the right. You are correct, it's irrelevant to most people out there, and since there is no TV scrutiny, no reality to it.
Been waiting for that for the last 20 years.
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
Unfortunately, there are Obama supporters on this very thread whose attitude seems to be "Screw the Constitution!" I wasn't aware that they were such big fans of George W. Bush, but they have joined him in declaring the Constitution is nothing more than a "goddam*ed piece of paper". 4um Posters turning into NeoCons before our very eyes. Who would have thought such a thing possible??
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
Please name the OBama supporters?
Three United States District Courts have ruled that private citizens do not have standing to challenge the eligibility of candidates to appear on a presidential election ballot. Robinson v. Bowen, 567 F. Supp. 2d 1144 (N.D. Cal. 2008); Hollander v. McCain, 2008WL2853250 (D.N.H. 2008). In dicta in each of these cases, it was also opined that if the plaintiffs did have standing, the likelihood of success on the merits (which is part of the legal test for the issuance of a preliminary injunction) would be low. The opinion in one of the cases also cited to a statutory method[16] by which the eligibility of the President-elect to take office may be challenged in Congress.
I think Obama is a Manchurian Candidate too..
Vieira addresses "standing' here: The judge in Berg v. Obama dismissed the case, not because Obama has actually proven that he is eligible for “the Office of President,” but instead because, simply as a voter, Berg supposedly lacks “standing” to challenge Obama’s eligibility: regardless of questions of causation, the grievance remains too generalized to establish the existence of an injury in fact. * ** [A] candidate’s ineligibility under the Natural Born Citizen Clause does not result in an injury in fact to voters. By extension, the theoretical constitutional harm experienced by voters does not change as the candidacy of an allegedly ineligible candidate progresses from the primaries to the general election. This pronouncement does not rise to the level of hogwash. First, the Constitution mandates that “[t]he judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution” (Article III, Section 2, Clause 1). Berg’s suit plainly “aris[es] under th[e] Constitution,” in the sense of raising a critical constitutional issue. So the only question is whether his suit is a constitutional “Case[ ].” The present judicial test for whether a litigant’s claim constitutes a constitutional “Case[ ]” comes under the rubric of “standing”—a litigant with “standing” may proceed; one without “standing” may not. “Standing,” however, is not a term found anywhere in the Constitution. Neither are the specifics of the doctrine of “standing,” as they have been elaborated in judicial decision after judicial decision, to be found there. Rather, the test for “standing” is almost entirely a judicial invention. True enough, the test for “standing” is not as ridiculous as the judiciary’s so- called “compelling governmental interest test,” which licenses public officials to abridge individuals’ constitutional rights and thereby exercise powers the Constitution withholds from those officials, which has no basis whatsoever in the Constitution, and which is actually anti-constitutional. Neither is the doctrine of “standing” as abusive as the “immunities” judges have cut from whole cloth for public officials who violate their constitutional “Oath[s] or Affirmation[s], to support this Constitution” (Article VI, Clause 3)—in the face of the Constitution’s explicit limitation on official immunities (Article I, Section 6, Clause 1). For the Constitution does require that a litigant must present a true “Case[ ].” Yet, because the test for “standing” is largely a contrivance of all-too-fallible men and women, its specifics can be changed as easily as they were adopted, when they are found to be faulty. And they must be changed if the consequences of judicial ignorance, inertia, and inaction are not to endanger America’s constitutional form of government. Which is precisely the situation here, inasmuch as the purported “election” of Obama as President, notwithstanding his ineligibility for that office, not only will render illegitimate the Executive Branch of the General Government, but also will render impotent its Legislative Branch (as explained below). Second, the notion upon which the judge in Berg v. Obama fastened—namely, that Berg’s “grievance remains too generalized to establish the existence of an injury in fact,” i.e., if everyone is injured or potentially injured then no one has “standing”—is absurd on its face.
There's an answer to the above: the judges tend to be anti-US American and, therefore, their views don't matter. Berg matters because he is pro-US Americans and he's an honest Hillarist.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Judges have used this "crutch" which has no basis in fact, to avoid making a decision.
Edwin needs to push a movement to repel the 14th Amendment then...problem solved The Fourteenth Amendment (Amendment XIV) to the United States Constitution is one of the post-Civil War Reconstruction Amendments, first intended to secure the rights of former slaves. It was proposed on June 13, 1866, and ratified on July 9, 1868.[1] The amendment provides a broad definition of citizenship, overruling Dred Scott v. Sandford which had excluded slaves and their descendants from possessing Constitutional rights. The amendment requires states to provide equal protection under the law to all persons within their jurisdictions and was used in the mid-20th century to dismantle racial segregation in the United States, as in Brown v. Board of Education. Its Due Process Clause has been the basis of much important and controversial case law regarding privacy rights, abortion (see Roe v. Wade), and other issues. The other two Reconstruction Amendments are the Thirteenth Amendment (banning slavery) and the Fifteenth Amendment (banning race-based voting qualifications). In The Slaughterhouse Cases, 83 U.S. 36 (1872), dissenting Supreme Court Justice Swayne wrote, "Fairly construed, these amendments may be said to rise to the dignity of a new Magna Carta
Or as a device to achieve pre-determined ends, which is really the same thing.
The word "standing" years ago in law replaced the word "who". Standing was attached as a person of note in the community etc etc. It was merely a word to differentiate between those of note and all others. It was a one size fits all method by lawyers/judges to avoid applying law in the justice system.
I don't recall ever seeing it before or hearing anyone else say it. I would not claim it as original because I doubt I am the first one that ever thought it or said it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. NeoCon-Coms. Same thing, but with kicked up fascism and luciferian designs. Despite Obama's anti-constitutional positions recorded by his votes, his comments about race, his affiliations, associations, involvements, and secrecy of who he is, where he's from, what he really is, (if he knows), there are people convinced he is better than any alternative. And I wonder, what would be worse, what we know, or what we don't. It's apparent that people are willing to gamble all of our lives for political payback. Whereas, the positions McCain and Obama have held, until recently, are nearly identical. That said, the PTB have made their choice, and it's rather interesting, that the left having fully recieved a Congressional majority when Republicans repudiated the failures and send some packing, the NeoCon-Commies took full advantage of rolling out more and worse of the same. They must truly hate the soul of people. It's witnessed by the vicious attacks on Palin and her children. The hipocracy alone should be intolerable by any honest person, but we are not dealing with honest people. They can't take it when given to them on a silver platter, rather they feast upon the trust of their sheep, planning bigger fences to hold them should they ever wake.
The amendment provides a broad definition of citizenship, overruling Dred Scott v. Sandford which had excluded slaves and their descendants from possessing Constitutional rights. The amendment requires states to provide equal protection under the law to all persons within their jurisdictions and was used in the mid-20th century to dismantle racial segregation in the United States, as in Brown v. Board of Education. Its Due Process Clause has been the basis of much important and controversial case law regarding privacy rights, abortion (see Roe v. Wade), and other issues. The other two Reconstruction Amendments are the Thirteenth Amendment (banning slavery) and the Fifteenth Amendment (banning race-based voting qualifications). In The Slaughterhouse Cases, 83 U.S. 36 (1872), dissenting Supreme Court Justice Swayne wrote, "Fairly construed, these amendments may be said to rise to the dignity of a new Magna Carta None of that has a thing to do with the requirement that people be born in this country, or to American citizens no matter where they might be born, to be eligible to run for President.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Well then, we will consider it original and issue a patent on it.
Flint, leadership wasn't possible before. Just look to the people who we
recently considered comrades, only to learn they lean left. The current self
exile is difficult in the short term, but necessary in the long term.
One of the more ignorant statments I've seen from a presumed smart fellow. Okay, here's the thing. We have been lied to, and as such being victims of a fraud does not entitle someone to wish for our death, which is what you imply knowing Obama is going to be payback. Niiiiiiice. I should say, anyone as ignorant as this, deserves ebola, the clap and leperacy... starting with his d*ck, but I won't. I guess to boil down your statement futher, a victim of child abuse or domestic violence, deserves it. You married them, you didn't know what they were capable of, too bad. Is this how to save the soul of a nation? The sins of the 'evildoers' are all of ours to bear, and will be all of ours to bear. Let's make it worse shall we? Pefect slogan.
All persons born in the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of foreign diplomats) are citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment.
Please put me on the "I think Obama is a Manchurian Candidate" list.
Don't take this as "gospel:" From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_(law) In the common law, and under many statutes, standing or locus standi is the ability of a party to demonstrate to the court sufficient connection to and harm from the law or action challenged to support that party's participation in the case. Edited: There are three constitutional standing requirements: Injury: The plaintiff must have suffered or imminently will suffer injury Causation: There must be a causal connection between the injury and the conduct complained of, so that the injury is fairly traceable to the challenged action of the defendant and not the result of the independent action of some third party who is not before the court. Redressability: It must be likely, as opposed to merely speculative, that a favorable court decision will redress the injury. I don't know what exactly the meaning of "injury," but if the election of a non-"natural citizen" is not an injury to the Constitutional rights of all, then what is it?
...with the power of conviction, there is no sacrifice.
The Judge was a typical Judicial coward, sidestep the issue and let someone else make the decision.
Thanks for that cite. Gonna get more ammo.
...with the power of conviction, there is no sacrifice.
Let me put it into context Americans forced South Africans to accept a black president to cleanse its white guilt ...now you get to deal with it turn about is fair play...your other argument not with standing
So payback is a personal policy of targeted white hatred. That'll fix everything won't it. Rather than reveal the truth, you rather kill it and protect the true perpetrators. Ah, do you also write history books for the neo- cons? My other argument will stand for your children whether you accept it or not. When they find themselves fighting issues of survival not of their choosing, remember, you failed to tell them they have God given rights, despite the shame of their birthparents.
No but maybe it will wake people like you up to the real world
Vieira defines the injury with precision. this is an egregious affront to all americans.
You want me to get him on my show?
yes...and discuss this issue.
No problem I'll get in touch with him tomorrow...I'll let you know
I am quite awake, and don't think Luciferian blood sacrifice of innocents is right. But you apparently do. I don't owe Africa a thing. Nothing. And we are talking about America and Americans. You are blinded by hatred which will get you more of it. It is you that needs to wake up.
It was the American government that forced Rhodesia to deal with a "terrorist" called Mugabe and like wise it was the American congress that forced sanctions on South Africa you may not feel you owe Africa anything but it was American policy that has caused mass murder and now genocide in Africa so don't talk to me about "Luciferian blood sacrifice of innocents"
PS , the phrase "natural born Citizen" is not defined anywhere in the Constitution itself and its interpretation has never been the subject of a U.S. Supreme Court ruling. Do you suppose it could be defined as a bastard mulatto from Kenya ??? Well ???
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
First, you say it ws the American Government that ... And you divert the blame to the people, which is NOT the government. Second, Obama supports Mugabe, which means, you support the actions of the Government. American policy has not been guided BY the American people for decades. Did you know that? Are you aware of the lies told to rally the people to war? And for that, you would incinerate more innocents and continue to leave the perps blameless. Helloooo?? No, if you know better and still want blood, you have a mental problem. This isn't payback you want, it's genocide. Payback is when you smack the person that smacked you first. So, why don't you suggest the Policy Makers pay the price?
I do too.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. First you are not paying attention where have I ever said I support Obama,second Obama does not support Mugabe and where have I called for blood shed and for the record in America I thought the people were the government McCain tells me that everyday...as for mental problems I suggest you look into a mirror
Really? American deserved Obama? Is that not an endorsement? second Obama does not support Mugabe Yes, he does. He supported funding Mugabe's government. It's a fact. and where have I called for blood shed you need to re-read your own posts. I thought the people were the government Then you haven't been paying attention to the facts. The rhetoric rocks the house, but we know different. McCain tells me that everyday As does Obama. WE are the change we have been waiting for. Sound familiar? as for mental problems I suggest you look into a mirror That's the best you have? You've been a hypocrite from beginning to end on this discussion. You need to look at what you are promoting, the facts, and get familiar with the truth. The truth is, it appears that nobody deserves the government they have. Now what? World depopulation or is that your overall position anyway?
Better get you facts straight on Mugabe if you can't do that I can only assume the rest of your arguments are just as baseless and to be honest mindless drivil Zimbabwe: Barack Obama Wades in, Backs Tsvangirai United States presidential hopeful, Barack Obama added his voice yesterday to the international condemnation of President Robert Mugabe, declaring that his regime in Zimbabwe "is illegitimate and lacks any credibility". He also expressed "deep concern" over opposition leader, Morgan Tsvangirai plight in the hands of Mugabe's thugs. The Democratic presidential nominee said that Mugabe's "campaign of repression and brutality" made it impossible for Friday's elections to be free and fair, Times online reported. "Indeed, it is the result of the abrogated March 2008 elections that represents the genuine will of the Zimbabwean people," he said.
Since when did KENYA become a part of "the United States"? You DO understand that that is the source of the conflict and the question about his citizenship or lack thereof, right? Now I don't know if it has changed or not but the last time I looked KENYA was in AFRICA. Has it been moved? Did Whore Hey declare it the 51st state?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Zimbabwe: Barack Obama Wades in, Backs Tsvangirai United States presidential hopeful, Barack Obama added his voice yesterday to the international condemnation of President Robert Mugabe, declaring that his regime in Zimbabwe "is illegitimate and lacks any credibility". He also expressed "deep concern" over opposition leader, Morgan Tsvangirai plight in the hands of Mugabe's thugs. The Democratic presidential nominee said that Mugabe's "campaign of repression and brutality" made it impossible for Friday's elections to be free and fair, Times online reported. "Indeed, it is the result of the abrogated March 2008 elections that represents the genuine will of the Zimbabwean people," he said. http://allafrica.com/stories/200806250139.html You better check his vote. Talk is cheap. Votes carry the cash. You have been unable to defend your position that America deserves Obama. Perhaps you would like to explain how innocent Americans who did not have a vote on policy should be murdered to 'learn a lesson' under Obama. So far, you defend corruption and genocide. Now, may we hear the justification for this outside of a political agenda?
You are on the list. I strongly suspect that all of us who have no use for the establishment are on one or more lists.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Produce the vote to my knowledge the Senate has not passed anything to support Mugabe since Obama has been there more BS you sucked up...I don't need to defend my position its only in your sick little mind that I said Americans need to be murdered...you are one sick puppy
I have a sick mind and you swallow Obama? You need to re-read your own posts. Scroll up. You rather Americans have an ineligible President holding the positions already on record to rule over us as payback. THAT is what is sick. Your loyalties are showing. You're pathetic but hardly pitiable. You invite what you wish for others to exist in perpetuity. There are lessons of history you refuse to learn by these actions. You are standing here lecturing Americans about what they deserve. Lecturing innocent people about their crimes, when you can't even recognize the real perps. You feel, you should decide what is fair? Who gave you that job? You just want more blood, and from that, more will be demanded. Thanks for playing the neo-con game. Nice little puppet.
Are you serious ?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
They both were (McBama). But which loser did they decide would 'win' ? I'd say the cabal might have one more twist in this drama.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
It occurred to me about six months ago how funny it was all of us being "outside the mainstream" by wanting an Anti-Establishment President to preside over us, and how sad it was that most people actually agree but they're afraid to step outside the bounds imposed by the ruling clique they secretly despise and fear. Sad and funny at the same time.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Try and apply robnoel's completely flawed line of thought to 911 truth and The Official Story®.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
That did cross my mind, as well, after I read rob's angry posts about the US government supporting Mugabe rule. Payback indeed. Suffer what you foisted on South Africa.
And most of us had absolutely nothing to do with it and despised the people here who caused it to happen. Sad indeed when someone wants all Americans to suffer because of what a few Americans did, or helped to do, to their country.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. There is a lot of that going around.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I foisted nothing upon SA. Perhaps you would like to lay down for it.
There is a lot of that going around. Yeah, check out my latest post to Tull. :)
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
This is the the actual truth of it. That good people repudiate such actions are not enough and those that can not recognize it, are aiding the perps.
I repudiate and want no part of man's inhumanity to his fellow man, be it in South Africa or here in the US. And I don't much care for nitwits in black robes telling people they "don't have standing" to see that the provisions of the Constitution are enforced. If Obama is not an American citizen the people the "judge" is whining about are not losing any right to vote for him because he has no right to run!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You got it. Some will never get it. And I don't much care for nitwits in black robes telling people they "don't have standing" to see that the provisions of the Constitution are enforced. If Obama is not an American citizen the people the "judge" is whining about are not losing any right to vote for him because he has no right to run! This issue could've been resolved long ago, but yet it plays into the next kakocracy.
If you are interested do a Google search for "nude pics of Obama's mother in Frank Davis apartment." "Uncle Frank" may have been "baby daddy." That could be the reason Obummer refuses to show his real birth certificate.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. No, no interest in pics. But I have read of those rumors, and inclined to believe where there is smoke there is fire. Daddy's do tend to educate their sons on passionate beliefs. How is Grandma's hip these days? Have we heard since the birth record was sealed after his visit to Hawaii?
Well, there is definitely some reason that he refuses to produce the proof that he is an American citizen. Any sane individual who was running for the highest public office in the land would have produced the documentation as soon as the issue came up. The fact that he refuses to do so leads me to believe that he doesn't have the documents. If I can be required to produce a vault version of my birth certificate to get a passport I don't know why he gets a pass when he is running for President.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Excellent point! And, let's not overlook the fact that The United States Senate is the most powerful club in the world, and when a sitting US Senator picks up the phone and announces his intention to run for president, no low level party or FEC bureaucrat is going to say, "I'm sorry, Senator, but, you'll have to produce your birth certificate in order for me to process your application!" More than likely he was merely asked if he was legally qualified to run and he responded in the affirmative and that was the extent of his vetting.
"Now I know what Jesus was going through!"__Aileen Wuornos
Well, we can speculate but we already know why. ;)
thank you ;)
Glad I read your post before I said EXACTLY the same thing. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Schwarzenegger/Palin '12
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Oh, he must, must he? *geez* That ain't how it works in AmericaCorp, Inc. We don't get to pick the new CEO, THEY DO!
"Now I know what Jesus was going through!"__Aileen Wuornos
I don't believe Uncle Frank played with the booby team. More like he sat little Barry el Diablo on his lap and told him Commie stories. ahaha
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Sealed ??
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Calm down whitey !!!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I'm going to smack the shit out of you.
I'm going to smack the shit out of you. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Hey, don't blame me. All I'm doihg is interpreting why robnoel has a chipped shoulder and wants US voters to suffer the negative consequences of a self-serving unqualified socialist punk.
Posted: October 26, 2008 9:54 pm Eastern By Jerome R. Corsi © 2008 WorldNetDaily Gov. Linda Lingle, R-Hawaii HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal, and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances. The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original birth certificate of Barack Obama. "It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent services in the governor's office, in an e- mailed response to a WND request seeking the information. Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant. WND was told the official reason for denial of access to Obama's birth certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed was designed to prevent identity theft. Still, the source told WND confidentially the motivation for withholding the original birth certificate was political, although the source refused to disclose whether there was any information on the original birth certificate that would prove politically embarrassing to Obama. The source also refused to answer WND's question whether the original document on file with the Department of Health was a hospital-generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have been filed subsequent to the birth. The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would immediately release Obama's original birth certificate, provided Obama requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting officially on his behalf. WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a notice published under the "Births, Marriages, Deaths" section of the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4." In searching through the birth notices of the Honolulu Advertiser for 1961, WND found many birth notices were published between one and two weeks after the date of birth listed. The notice in the Honolulu Advertiser does not list the hospital where the Obama son was born or the doctor who delivered the baby. In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. Friday, U.S. Federal judge Richard Barclay Surrick, a Clinton appointee, dismissed a lawsuit brought by Pennsylvania attorney Phillip J. Berg who alleged Obama was not a U.S. "natural born" citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency under the specifications of the U.S. Constitution, under Article II, Section 1. Berg told WND last week he does not have a copy of a Kenyan birth certificate for Obama that he alleges exists. In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential election on November 4. The Obama campaign website entitled "Fight the Smears" posts a State of Hawaii "Certificate of Live Birth" which is obviously not the original birth certificate generate by the hospital where Obama was born. "Fight the Smears" declares, "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America." Although the Obama campaign could immediately put an end to all the challenges by simply producing the candidate's original birth certificate, it has not done so. And the "Fight the Smears" website offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the Hawaii Department of Health may possess. SOURCE: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79174
Was Barry's typically white grandmother living on the island at the time of his birth and perhaps made the newspaper notification?
I don't know where you got that I am "blaming you" out of any post I have posted to you. If you think that I should have phrased it better because that wasn't my point at all.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Wouldn't you think the most likely reason is because no such thing exists?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I feel you deserve a response and I will be the first one to admit I do have a chip on my shoulder caused over the years by watching the misery of those I left behind in Africa ..none of us from Africa do not have a personal story ...both my in laws were beaten to death for no other reason than a 19 inch black and white TV set. After making America my home for the past thirty years and seeing up close and personal the reasons why I lost a country actually two if you add in the countryof my birth Rhodesia,it is my contention that those same forces that destroyed my country are doing the same thing to America and my frustration lies in most not seeing this coming tradgery. Rather than being specific I painted with a wide brush wishing that those who forced this on Africa would get to experience the reality of what they created and I apologize to those I offended by wishing you all be punished for the crimes of a few. I see Africa's past as America's future ..this is something I would not wish on anyone I truly hope Americans wake up before long and reject the ideology of politcal correctness and return to principles that America was founded on. As for the debate on Obama I promised Christine that I would have Dr. Edwin Vieira on my show to debate the issue's he raised
I don't know. It would be interesting to know if birth announcements were provided by hospitals or proactively sought by the family. 'You know how white people will do you.' Phillip Berg gave an interview to FoxNews a couple of days ago. Not sure when or if it will air. h/t watcher@rmn Presidential Oaths of Office The information below is courtesy of the Architect of the Capitol. It has been compiled by the Office of the Curator from contemporary accounts and other sources in the files of the Architect of the Capitol. Each president recites the following oath, in accordance with Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." If in fact - Candidate Barack Hussein Obama - is a naturalized citizen of the nation of Kenya, and has prevented the discovery of this fact - via either the provision of false birth certificates or the the withholding of the actual documents that would in fact verify his birth in Kenya - then he is guilty - and profoundly so - of defrauding the American Electorate. He is likewise guilty of defrauding the Democratic Party. He has illegally petitioned the citizens of the United States to financially support his pursuit of the office of the Presidency - and in so doing - they have been fraudulently duped into providing him well over 200 Million dollars from both the private sector. While representing himself as fully qualified - to the best of his ability - to "preserve, protect and defend" the Constitution of the United States - he has shown himself to be in plain fact - completely opposed to the mandates regarding the eligibility of any candidate - the are clearly set down in the very document he claims he so deeply reveres that he would take an Oath to preserve, protect and defend! If in fact - he has lied to the American People in this fashion - he has severely disrupted the nation - the Democratic party - our Democratic System - and offended each and every single honest trusting citizen of our nation. If in fact - he has knowingly withheld the truth in these matters from the American People - not only should he NEVER be allowed to set foot in the White House as The Presidential Protector of our Constitution - but he should be in fact sentenced to the maximum penalty established by that Constitution and later - deported back to the nation of Kenya where he belongs. If in fact - it can be proven that members of the Democratic Party - likewise knowingly withheld the facts pertaining to the "ineligibility" of Candidate Barack Hussein Obama - then each and every one of them - so proven - should likewise be rewarded in the strictest manner possible - in accordance with the mandates of our Constitution. And finally - if in fact - the evidence is irrefutable - and no DA in the nation will press charges against those guilty of these crimes - then charges of Misprision of Felony - should be charged against each and every official who abrogates his or her duty in this regard. Respectfully Patrick Hedemark Also interesting: [snip] Another side note - John McCain was born in Collon, Panama. No one seems to be questioning his eligibility to be president, however. And the correct birth certificate he supposedly produced supports his foreign birth, thus his ineligibility - he wasn't born on a U.S. military base and his parents were legalized residents of Panama at the time. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=134630 If the Supremes hear the case by Friday, perhaps both will be found ineligible for office. I remember a post that Bush has made preparations through March '09. One can read a lot into that.
Having lived on the 'net for more than a decade, I don't get the lack of curiosity some have regarding Barry. He's every bit as slippery as Clinton, and he was as dirty as an alley cat in the rain.
Yes. Beyond ineligibility, what more might the truth of it comprimise?
rob... Most of the time you can be and are a gentleman and in this case I applaud you.
Good heavens... So early in the morning.
They were paid. That explains alot. Political mercenaries. I'm game for believing mass psyschosis / hipnotism as well. But, you notice they are all on the same talking points all the time. All Palin all the time. They're scared of her. To my way of thinking, BO is the Marxist on the ticket (a DINO). McCain is the Democrat 'running as the Republican' as Bill Kristol put it. And Palin is the actual Republican. Before Palin, McCain was an easy mark. Since Palin, all manner of voodoo has been used to take her down. Note the post I put up earlier. Not a stretch to believe it at all, considering their tactics against Ron Paul.
Good Morning.
As a confirmation of your statement, one needs travel no farther than this forum. Attack Palin by accepting the most vulgar of terms that can be attached to any female as being justified by members of this forum. That was disgusting. Hillary being female was NEVER attacked in such a manner.
Good morning to you too!
Attack Palin by accepting the most vulgar of terms that can be attached to any female as being justified by members of this forum. That was disgusting. Hillary being female was NEVER attacked in such a manner. Sad but true. Believe me, women are watching this.
Beyond members of this forum, I recall only Fox as mentioning the vulgar attacks on Palin, not political attacks that are fair game, rather gender attacks of the basest type. MSM has been quiet as a mouse, consequently those T shirts and signs follow Palin from town to town with not a whisper of dissent.
MSM has been quiet as a mouse, consequently those T shirts and signs follow Palin from town to town with not a whisper of dissent. It reveals their true character. It's now well known that these people are useful idiots serving PTB interests. They'll get little sympathy when the tables are turned on them, and the game resets for the next level of depravity. The comments here about Palin have been disgusting, but confirming these people were likely paid, makes their motivation transparent. But there's more. Some just despise women and this was their chance to pile on.
If it can be proven that Obama is in fact a citizen of Kenya by virtue of being born there he should not even be allowed to set foot in the White House as a tourist, let alone President.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. James... There are several scenarios as to how this affair will end, none of them are good.
It MIGHT prove that the man his mama claims was baby daddy wasn't. Just sayin'.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Obama should have to prove citizenship or take a hike. If it's found that neither Obama or McCain are eligible, they should be tossed from Congress and repay the taxpayers for the fraud.
Maybe mama wasn't sure.
Sounds good to me.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Point taken. You could well be correct.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Point taken. You could well be correct. It's likely a waste to busy ourselves with this, but it's important to note that Americans will take cheating as a virtue in elected professionals. Why all the shock over crooked bankers in the bailout anyway?
i've heard that more than 90% of americans do not believe the lone gun tale told by the government. not that it matters since they got away with it. so what's a little thing like citizenship matter? Russia has freed herself from Jewish supremacy. Some historians estimate 40- million citizens, mostly Orthodox Christians, went to early graves in the aftermath of the Bolshevik Revolution--this even before German troops invaded the former Soviet Union. I'm afraid America will learn the hard way with the Marxist Obama playing Lenin's role.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
My error. I apologize. I was tired and I mis-read your post.
After making America my home for the past thirty years and seeing up close and personal the reasons why I lost a country actually two if you add in the countryof my birth Rhodesia,it is my contention that those same forces that destroyed my country are doing the same thing to America and my frustration lies in most not seeing this coming tradgery. Rather than being specific I painted with a wide brush wishing that those who forced this on Africa would get to experience the reality of what they created and I apologize to those I offended by wishing you all be punished for the crimes of a few. I see Africa's past as America's future ..this is something I would not wish on anyone I truly hope Americans wake up before long and reject the ideology of politcal correctness and return to principles that America was founded on. As for the debate on Obama I promised Christine that I would have Dr. Edwin Vieira on my show to debate the issue's he raised Thank you for your post and for your honesty.
LOL, ah the man knows me well.
The Pope came to D.C. for a tour, and Sarah Palin was assigned to be his tour guide (don't question it, just go with it). They were going down the Potomac River in a boat when the Pope's funny hat blew off into the river. Sarah told the Secret Service to don't bother trying to grab it and told the Pope "Watch this!!" She stepped out of the boat and walked across the water on her high- heels and retrieved the hat to the astoninshment of all. The next day, the MSM reported that "Sarah Palin Can't Swim!!!".....
I'm not a lawyer, did not sleep at a HolInn last night, but can't resist such softballs. Depends on whether you have a "strict" "constructionist" view of the Constitution or whether you favor more "expansive" "penumbras". He may not be a natural, but he certainly is a functional citizen, groomed by the best schools and a short stint in a rather exclusive club in the USG. If functionality equals naturalness, then he's home free.
Hasn't that been absolutely amazing, disgusting. The sheer misogyny expressed perfectly expresses the scorn and disdain of the coasts for flyover country. The desire to have the approval of Europeans among many on the coasts is not surprising, considering that the English Monarchy is probably more popular in America than in old Blighty! And how low is it to make fun of a retarded baby. Even lower than that manly man, Rushbaugh, calling Chelsea Clinton a dog on his TV show in 1994. Sweet, a grown man demolishing a teenage girl!
I remember that, as well as the remarks about Amy Carter. And how low is it to make fun of a retarded baby. I remember one commentator saying the Palin's 'dragged their Downs kid along to hold up and say, seeeeeee we really are Pro-Life.'
Apology accepted. I had no idea what you meant.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. "softballs?" "functional citizen" "Functional Citizen" is equal to "natural citizen" via the US Constitution? Please stop shitting on me.
...with the power of conviction, there is no sacrifice.
Now that Obama’s citizenship has been seriously questioned
#2. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#1)
#3. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
When and to whom did the Messiah produce his birth cert?
#4. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#1)
#5. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#3)
When and to whom did the Messiah produce his birth cert?
#6. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#3)
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You know, this is not one of them things that keep me from sleeping at night.
#7. To: christine (#4)
#8. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#3)
You know, this is not one of them things that keep me from sleeping at night.
#9. To: christine (#4)
#10. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#3)
Should we agree that there is a process that's in line with the constitution where one files to run for the US prez job?
#11. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#9)
#12. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#9)
We are not Nazis, challenging people to show us their 'papers'.
#13. To: Sam Houston (#7)
I think it's pretty funny, given that McCain was born in the Canal Zone.
#14. To: Sam Houston (#7)
I think it's pretty funny, given that McInsane was born in the Canal Zone.
#15. To: christine (#10)
(Edited)
we consider that that process was most likely abated by the traitorous america hating powers who are in the process of showing us once and for all that they install who they want?
#16. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#15)
All this agitation means nothing and leads nowhere because there no 'where' for it to go.
#17. To: christine (#0)
America is facing potentially the gravest constitutional crisis in her history. Barack Obama must either stand up in a public forum and prove, with conclusive documentary evidence, that he is “a natural born Citizen” of the United States....
#18. To: christine (#0)
#19. To: scrapper2 (#14)
#20. To: Jethro Tull (#16)
#21. To: eskimo (#17)
#22. To: robnoel (#20)
Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
#23. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#22)
#24. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#15)
Do note that McCain did beat Paul and all the other GOPs running, fair and square. You may not like it and I don't like it for sure but, McCain earned his GOP nomination and so did Obama earn his Demo nomination, beating the crap out of Hillary.
#25. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#22)
the possibility that the US Americans might end up electing a capable, intelligent, decent man to run their executory branch of government.
#26. To: scrapper2 (#14)
And fyi, the suit against Obama and the Dem Party was filed by a long-standing Dem supporter, Philip Berg, because he did not want his party blindly promoting a non-citizen as their candidate for the WH.
#27. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#21)
Oh, yes... the elections were rigged, I forgot.
#28. To: robnoel (#20)
We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.
#29. To: All (#18)
#30. To: eskimo (#27)
that the choice was dumb puppet or dumb puppet
#31. To: robnoel (#20)
"FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate."
#32. To: scrapper2 (#31)
#33. To: Jethro Tull (#11)
Anyone who had as a mother a socialist whore, and a father who abandoned him to the US taxpayers for his homeland of Kenya, needs to show his papers to advance to the office of the president.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#34. To: eskimo (#17)
Do you think the owners of this government are laughing their arses off at the present response of the American people as a whole?
#35. To: christine, eskimo (#34)
#36. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#32)
(Edited)
Bingo!!!
#37. To: X-15 (#33)
Shouldn't it be enough for you that Obummer has graced us with his willingness to set aside his community organizing to be our humble leader??
#38. To: scrapper2 (#36)
Philip Berg is a Democratic Party member and he is a US citizen and voter and he has every right to question Obama's eligiblity to run for President
#39. To: Jethro Tull (#37)
#40. To: christine (#34)
(Edited)
Do you think the owners of this government are laughing their arses off at the present response of the American people as a whole? oh, i know they are. it's just sad and maddening for me to see so many not only falling for it, but doing their part to ensure more of it.
#41. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, robnoel (#38)
(Edited)
Are you saying that the FactCheck people are not US citizens and voters and, quite possibly, members of the Demo party?
#42. To: robnoel (#20)
FactCheck.org
#43. To: scrapper2 (#41)
#44. To: Jethro Tull (#43)
#45. To: scrapper2 (#41)
#46. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#15)
Obama showing or not showing his birth certificate to Berg is not going to solve a thing.
Lord Acton
#47. To: James Deffenbach (#46)
#48. To: James Deffenbach (#46)
I call BS on that. If he actually has a LEGITIMATE birth certificate, one that shows he was actually born in THIS country (not Kenya), it would solve the problem that some of us have with someone who isn't even a citizen running for the highest public office in this country. Not that the piece of paper would make him worth a d@mn as President but it would prove that he is eligible to run.
#49. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#38)
That is FEC's business.
#50. To: eskimo (#27)
How could you forget that? That was secondary however to the fact that the choice was dumb puppet or dumb puppet.
Lord Acton
#51. To: Cynicom (#47)
God or someone told ode Vast that Paul could not win, and whoever it was, was correct.
Lord Acton
#52. To: Zoroaster (#40)
The Zionists in the Star Chamber made Ame4rica believe Oswald was the lone asswassin of JFK. Obama's citzenship is no problem.
#53. To: noone222 (#48)
I second your opinion.
Lord Acton
#54. To: christine, Cynicom (#34)
oh, i know they are. it's just sad and maddening for me to see so many not only falling for it, but doing their part to ensure more of it.
#55. To: christine (#0)
#56. To: James Deffenbach (#50)
The idiotlogical twins,...
#57. To: scrapper2 (#41)
#58. To: swarthyguy (#55)
it makes you wonder, but they've made a decision to not disclose, and the polls show no consequence.
#59. To: swarthyguy (#55)
It shouldn't be, and he should show whatever documentation he has. As he's not, it makes you wonder, but they've made a decision to not disclose, and the polls show no consequence.
#60. To: robnoel (#57)
if this was a big deal it would be all over the media not relegated to a few website's with a few hundred posters....
#61. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#30)
If that's the case, you should probably focus on transforming or destroying the above. I wish you good luck and I may even lend you a hand but, trust me, going after some guy's birth certificate or fighting windmills solves NOTHING.
#62. To: duckhunter (#60)
big deal
#63. To: swarthyguy, robnoel (#62)
Scandal? Crisis? Whatever.......
#64. To: eskimo (#56)
LOL! I like that.
Lord Acton
#65. To: duckhunter (#63)
#66. To: robnoel (#65)
trying to save you guys from making fools of yourselves which you all done a pretty job of!
#67. To: robnoel (#57)
if this was a big deal it would be all over the media
#68. To: robnoel (#65)
...trying to save you guys from making fools of yourselves which you all done a pretty job of!
#69. To: robnoel (#57)
(Edited)
if this was a big deal it would be all over the media
#70. To: James Deffenbach (#64)
It is truly a sad day in America when what most people have to choose from is one guy who was most likely born in Africa--if he wasn't why won't he show the vault form of his birth certificate?--and another guy who is probably a Manchurian Candidate and has never seen a military expenditure he didn't approve. They are both un-American to the core.
#71. To: honway (#69)
If the government's complicity in the mass murder of 168 Americans in the Oklahoma City bombing was a big deal it would be all over the media.
Lord Acton
#72. To: duckhunter, robnoel (#66)
robnoel: trying to save you guys from making fools of yourselves which you all done a pretty job of!
#73. To: honway (#69)
#74. To: scrapper2 (#72)
#75. To: scrapper2 (#70)
Lord Acton
#76. To: robnoel (#73)
(Edited)
a legal citizen
#77. To: swarthyguy (#74)
Herr Schwarznegger, will you place your hand on the bible, please?
#78. To: scrapper2 (#72)
Just because we'd like Obama to show his original US birth certificate to the FEC to prove his eligibility to run for the Oval Office, we are foolish??? Who is the foolish one? Who is the dupe?
#79. To: scrapper2 (#70)
And by filling out and signing a Statement of Candidacy, FEC form 2, with incomplete false erroneous information Obama would also be subject to penalties under 2USsection437g.
#80. To: swarthyguy (#74)
Think I understand why the GOP is softpedaling this.
#81. To: duckhunter (#78)
#82. To: robnoel (#65)
#83. To: swarthyguy (#81)
Unless you have an internet connection and a desire to be informed, you would end up with no more than say, 50 years ago
#84. To: duckhunter (#83)
#85. To: swarthyguy (#84)
The producer of Colbert or Stewart attributed one reason for their success to the abysmal job the newsnets have done.
#86. To: christine, robnoel (#82)
i guess we can conclude that you think that Edwin Vieira (constitutional lawyer) is making a fool of himself too? i'm surprised at your attitude on this, robby.
Lord Acton
#87. To: christine (#82)
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#88. To: swarthyguy, All (#76)
t's not quite that, is it? It's not being naturalized, which automatically disqualifies one, but the fact of his natural born status.
#89. To: robnoel (#87)
PS , the phrase "natural born Citizen" is not defined anywhere in the Constitution itself and its interpretation has never been the subject of a U.S. Supreme Court ruling.
#90. To: robnoel (#57)
if this was a big deal it would be all over the media
#91. To: James Deffenbach (#50)
The idiotlogical twins,
#92. To: Jethro Tull (#90)
#93. To: robnoel (#87)
natural born Citizen
#94. To: robnoel (#92)
America deserves Obama
#95. To: swarthyguy (#93)
#96. To: robnoel, All (#87)
More from Vieira~
#97. To: robnoel (#95)
#98. To: Jethro Tull (#94)
Now for some leadership.
#99. To: swarthyguy (#76)
No one's questioning his citizenship. It's whether he's entitled to run based on the criteria of the constitution.
#100. To: mirage (#99)
#101. To: christine (#96)
#102. To: James Deffenbach (#64)
another guy who is probably a Manchurian Candidate
#103. To: robnoel (#95)
#104. To: robnoel (#101)
#105. To: christine (#103)
Rather, the test for “standing” is almost entirely a judicial invention.
#106. To: christine (#103)
#107. To: Cynicom (#105)
Judges have used this "crutch" which has no basis in fact, to avoid making a decision.
#108. To: duckhunter (#107)
#109. To: Cynicom (#91)
Is that original or stolen????
Lord Acton
#110. To: mirage (#99)
4um Posters turning into NeoCons before our very eyes. Who would have thought such a thing possible??
#111. To: robnoel (#106)
The Fourteenth Amendment (Amendment XIV) to the United States Constitution is one of the post-Civil War Reconstruction Amendments, first intended to secure the rights of former slaves. It was proposed on June 13, 1866, and ratified on July 9, 1868.[1]
Lord Acton
#112. To: James Deffenbach (#109)
I don't recall ever seeing it before or hearing anyone else say it.
#113. To: Flintlock (#98)
Been waiting for that for the last 20 years.
#114. To: robnoel (#92)
No question about that chalk it up to white guilt I've said this before America deserves Obama
#115. To: James Deffenbach (#111)
#116. To: Lady X, James Deffenbach, (#102)
#117. To: christine (#103)
(Edited)
#118. To: rack42 (#117)
#119. To: robnoel, christine (#101)
...private citizens do not have standing to challenge the eligibility of candidates...
#120. To: OliviaFNewton (#114)
#121. To: robnoel (#120)
Let me put it into context Americans forced South Africans to accept a black president to cleanse its white guilt ...now you get to deal with it turn about is fair play...your other argument not with standing
#122. To: OliviaFNewton (#121)
#123. To: rack42 (#117)
I don't know what exactly the meaning of "injury," but if the election of a non-"natural citizen" is not an injury to the Constitutional rights of all, then what is it?
#124. To: christine (#123)
#125. To: robnoel (#124)
#126. To: christine (#125)
#127. To: robnoel (#122)
No but maybe it will wake people like you up to the real world
#128. To: OliviaFNewton (#127)
(Edited)
#129. To: robnoel (#95)
#130. To: robnoel (#128)
It was the American government that forced Rhodesia to deal with a "terrorist" called Mugabe and like wise it was the American congress that forced sanctions on South Africa you may not feel you owe Africa anything but it was American policy that has caused mass murder and now genocide in Africa so don't talk to me about "Luciferian blood sacrifice of innocents"
#131. To: Lady X (#102)
I think Obama is a Manchurian Candidate too..
Lord Acton
#132. To: OliviaFNewton (#130)
#133. To: robnoel (#132)
(Edited)
First you are not paying attention where have I ever said I support Obama,
#134. To: OliviaFNewton (#133)
#135. To: robnoel (#115)
All persons born in the United States
Lord Acton
#136. To: robnoel (#134)
(Edited)
Better get you facts straight on Mugabe if you can't do that I can only assume the rest of your arguments are just as baseless and to be honest mindless drivil
#137. To: Jethro Tull (#116)
Please put me on the "I think Obama is a Manchurian Candidate" list.
Lord Acton
#138. To: OliviaFNewton (#136)
#139. To: robnoel (#138)
I don't need to defend my position its only in your sick little mind that I said Americans need to be murdered...you are one sick puppy
#140. To: robnoel (#57)
if this was a big deal it would be all over the media not relegated to a few website's with a few hundred posters
#141. To: duckhunter (#58)
It won't because he has already been selected.
#142. To: James Deffenbach (#137)
You are on the list. I strongly suspect that all of us who have no use for the establishment are on one or more lists.
#143. To: duckhunter (#60)
(Edited)
What becomes a "big deal" and what doesn't, doesn't seem to be based in logic or fact.
#144. To: OliviaFNewton, robnoel, christine (#139)
You rather Americans have an ineligible President holding the positions already on record to rule over us as payback. THAT is what is sick.
#145. To: scrapper2 (#144)
That did cross my mind, as well, after I read rob's angry posts about the US government supporting Mugabe rule. Payback indeed. Suffer what you foisted on South Africa.
Lord Acton
#146. To: Dakmar (#142)
Sad and funny at the same time.
Lord Acton
#147. To: scrapper2 (#144)
Suffer what you foisted on South Africa.
#148. To: James Deffenbach (#146)
Sad and funny at the same time.
#149. To: James Deffenbach (#145)
And most of us had absolutely nothing to do with it and despised the people here who caused it to happen. Sad indeed when someone wants all Americans to suffer because of what a few Americans did, or helped to do, to their country.
#150. To: OliviaFNewton (#149)
Lord Acton
#151. To: James Deffenbach (#150)
I repudiate and want no part of man's inhumanity to his fellow man, be it in South Africa or here in the US.
#152. To: OliviaFNewton (#151)
Lord Acton
#153. To: James Deffenbach (#152)
If you are interested do a Google search for "nude pics of Obama's mother in Frank Davis apartment." "Uncle Frank" may have been "baby daddy." That could be the reason Obummer refuses to show his real birth certificate.
#154. To: OliviaFNewton (#153)
Lord Acton
#155. To: christine, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, a vast rightwing conspirator (#10)
how about we consider that that process was most likely abated by the traitorous america hating powers who are in the process of showing us once and for all that they install who they want?
#156. To: James Deffenbach (#154)
I don't know why he gets a pass when he is running for President.
#157. To: HOUNDDAWG (#155)
Excellent point!
#158. To: James Deffenbach (#145)
And most of us had absolutely nothing to do with it and despised the people here who caused it to happen. Sad indeed when someone wants all Americans to suffer because of what a few Americans did, or helped to do, to their country.
#159. To: James Deffenbach (#150)
If Obama is not an American citizen the people the "judge" is whining about are not losing any right to vote for him because he has no right to run!
#160. To: christine (#0)
Obama Must Stand Up Now or Step Down
#161. To: James Deffenbach (#152)
If you are interested do a Google search for "nude pics of Obama's mother in Frank Davis apartment." "Uncle Frank" may have been "baby daddy." That could be the reason Obummer refuses to show his real birth certificate.
#162. To: OliviaFNewton (#153)
Have we heard since the birth record was sealed after his visit to Hawaii?
#163. To: James Deffenbach (#154)
If I can be required to produce a vault version of my birth certificate to get a passport I don't know why he gets a pass when he is running for President.
#164. To: Rotara (#159)
Schwarzenegger/Palin '12
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#165. To: farmfriend (#164)
Schwarzenegger/Palin '12
#166. To: James Deffenbach, robnoel (#145)
And most of us had absolutely nothing to do with it and despised the people here who caused it to happen. Sad indeed when someone wants all Americans to suffer because of what a few Americans did, or helped to do, to their country.
#167. To: Rotara (#162)
Sealed ??
#168. To: OliviaFNewton (#167)
#169. To: scrapper2 (#166)
Hey, don't blame me. All I'm doihg is interpreting why robnoel has a chipped shoulder and wants US voters to suffer the negative consequences of a self-serving unqualified socialist punk.
Lord Acton
#170. To: OliviaFNewton (#167)
And the "Fight the Smears" website offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the Hawaii Department of Health may possess.
Lord Acton
#171. To: scrapper2 (#144)
#172. To: Jethro Tull (#168)
Was Barry's typically white grandmother living on the island at the time of his birth and perhaps made the newspaper notification?
#173. To: OliviaFNewton (#172)
#174. To: James Deffenbach (#170)
Wouldn't you think the most likely reason is because no such thing exists?
#175. To: robnoel (#171)
Rather than being specific I painted with a wide brush wishing that those who forced this on Africa would get to experience the reality of what they created and I apologize to those I offended by wishing you all be punished for the crimes of a few.
#176. To: Jethro Tull (#173)
He's every bit as slippery as Clinton, and he was as dirty as an alley cat in the rain.
#177. To: Jethro Tull (#173)
(Edited)
Having lived on the 'net for more than a decade, I don't get the lack of curiosity some have regarding Barry.
#178. To: OliviaFNewton (#177)
"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all
#179. To: OliviaFNewton, jethro tull (#177)
Before Palin, McCain was an easy mark. Since Palin, all manner of voodoo has been used to take her down.
#180. To: wudidiz (#178)
Good Morning.
#181. To: Cynicom (#179)
As a confirmation of your statement, one needs travel no farther than this forum.
#182. To: OliviaFNewton (#181)
#183. To: Cynicom (#182)
I recall only Fox as mentioning the vulgar attacks on Palin, not political attacks that are fair game, rather gender attacks of the basest type.
#184. To: OliviaFNewton (#172)
If in fact - he has knowingly withheld the truth in these matters from the American People - not only should he NEVER be allowed to set foot in the White House as The Presidential Protector of our Constitution - but he should be in fact sentenced to the maximum penalty established by that Constitution and later - deported back to the nation of Kenya where he belongs.
Lord Acton
#185. To: James Deffenbach (#184)
#186. To: OliviaFNewton (#174)
Beyond ineligibility, what more might the truth of it comprimise?
Lord Acton
#187. To: James Deffenbach (#184)
If it can be proven that Obama is in fact a citizen of Kenya by virtue of being born there he should not even be allowed to set foot in the White House as a tourist, let alone President.
#188. To: James Deffenbach (#186)
It MIGHT prove that the man his mama claims was baby daddy wasn't. Just sayin'.
#189. To: OliviaFNewton (#187)
Obama should have to prove citizenship or take a hike. If it's found that neither Obama or McCain are eligible, they should be tossed from Congress and repay the taxpayers for the fraud.
Lord Acton
#190. To: OliviaFNewton (#188)
Maybe mama wasn't sure.
Lord Acton
#191. To: James Deffenbach (#190)
#192. To: christine (#52)
The Zionists in the Star Chamber made Ame4rica believe Oswald was the lone asswassin of JFK. Obama's citzenship is no problem.
#193. To: James Deffenbach (#169)
I don't know where you got that I am "blaming you" out of any post I have posted to you. If you think that I should have phrased it better because that wasn't my point at all.
#194. To: robnoel (#171)
I feel you deserve a response and I will be the first one to admit I do have a chip on my shoulder caused over the years by watching the misery of those I left behind in Africa ..none of us from Africa do not have a personal story ...both my in laws were beaten to death for no other reason than a 19 inch black and white TV set.
#195. To: Rotara (#165)
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#196. To: Cynicom (#179)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#197. To: rack42 (#117)
if the election of a non-"natural citizen" is not an injury to the Constitutional rights of all, then what is it?
#198. To: OliviaFNewton (#110)
(Edited)
the vicious attacks on Palin and her children.
#199. To: swarthyguy (#198)
Even lower than that manly man, Rushbaugh, calling Chelsea Clinton a dog on his TV show in 1994. Sweet, a grown man demolishing a teenage girl!
#200. To: scrapper2 (#193)
My error. I apologize. I was tired and I mis-read your post.
Lord Acton
#201. To: swarthyguy (#197)
but can't resist such softballs.
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