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Title: HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE LOST FRIENDS THIS ELECTION CYCLE? (Posts by Rayelan and guideforselfhealing) Can you relate?
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Published: Oct 29, 2008
Author: Rayelan
Post Date: 2008-10-29 14:29:57 by christine
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Views: 486
Comments: 33
I live in a liberal community, therefore many of my friends are liberals. Many of my email friends are liberal. I've never had any problems before this election... I go back and forth in my liberal community and have good relations with everyone. I've lost my hair stylist. I almost lost my chiropractor. I now have a few friends I can no longer discuss politics with. Talk about dividing America!! A friend tells me she can't even talk with one daughter. Politics is no longer discussed in her house. She said that it was bad when Kerry was running. People were good natured when they disagreed. She says that now people are angry. They can't discuss Obama or McCain without getting angry. Are you seeing this too?? ************************ IT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR SPIRITUAL GROWTH Posted By: guideforselfhealing There is a real phenomenon here, that I'd like to flesh out a bit. Sometimes, when people stop being your friend over ideological issues it's because they actually WERE affected by what you said - a part of them resonated but the inner conflict was too much, they couldn't take the charge. "You want the truth? You can't HANDLE the truth!" And really we can't handle the whole truth, which is why we take it in the individualized dose that we can handle. When people clash over politics, or other issues, it's only because they're wanting and expecting agreement in the first place. This is the way of "homo normalis," as Wilhem Reich calls people who are "successfully armored." To be homo normalis isn't natural, isn't healthy, but it's the "norm." The reason we're seeing more of this lately is because this state of consciousness that is based in fear has to come to a head. We are in a period of time of learning through experience. We're NOT getting the agreement from others that we want anymore. We don't have the luxury of the feeling of solidarity with a group anymore. That's for an older consciousness. If we want to step into the new consciousness, we have to let go of those attachments. I have no one in my immediate personal life who shares my worldview. No one. And that's a great blessing, because I get to learn that truth doesn't need a majority, and I don't really need to be a member of a group that shares my views, although it would feel more comfortable. But it wouldn't be honest. Truth is truth even if only ONE person knows it and everyone else is against it. This is the lesson we're coming up to. We don't have the luxury of agreement anymore. That's too easy, that's the path of least resistance. We're going to lose friends, and that's going to be part of a great lesson. Reich also talked about the "emotional plague reaction" and we are seeing this now. That's where people who are so attached to a belief system feel threatened if anyone challenges it, so they have to attack the other person in some way, or withdraw contact. People do not want to be around people who challenge their held beliefs, especially when those held beliefs are connected to very fundamental assumptions about how the world works and their role in it. Most people couldn't wrap their brain around the idea that not voting is an option, for example. And if something about it actually hits a nerve, that's even worse! Because then they can't dismiss it completely, yet they can't embrace it either. That is a painful state to be in. If we find ourselves feeling that kind of conflict with someone else, we can recognize it for what it is, and look to see what buttons in us were getting pushed. In any case, we can always use the incident as an opportunity to grow in consciousness. That's what this is all about. Not that "bad" things are happening and we have to make things comfortable again. We don't gain consciousness that way. The way we grow is to use every situation to notice our own reactions, our own knee-jerk reactions, where are we still holding on to attachments that keep us in inner turmoil. It's all about inner consciousness, not getting the outer world to be more comfortable. Becuase we need to develop our inner selves to be whole within - then the outer world will reflect that. But the inner work is a journey through the labyrinth, and there's a lot of danger there. We go it individually, and some of us have to tread this lonely path where friends leave. If we can see the larger picture, it helps give courage. Then as we progress, there can be a state of grace where we don't need agreement from anyone else. We can be friends with everyone, because it doesn't matter what we talk about, we can connect with anyone from basic human warmth. We don't need anything from anyone, and yet we have everything, when we're free.
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#1. To: christine (#0)
As it turns out, people I thought I knew are gone, but I realize they were never friends.
Exactly
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
As though you yourself have been a shining example of kindness, respect and understanding?? That's funny!
For the first time in our history, this election is about race, not politics. Most do NOT realize that making race the issue ...WAS INTENDED... Anyone that cannot accept that can slog along with the sheep.
It's obviously about race with you, Old Man, but in case you didn't notice, the financial system imploded about a month ago, ushering in another Great Depression. At that point, McThuselah was ahead. No one's race has changed since then, but the economic prospects have worsened exponentially downward.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Sorry, bubba, but I won't be voting for Obama BECAUSE he's black. Being mildly racist and strongly segregationist myself, if I had to choose between 2 equally qualified politicians, one a Negro and the other a Whitey, I'd go for the Whitey without hesitation. In fact, I'd pick Whitey even if he was slightly less impressive than the Negro. But... by golly, Obama is so far superior to McCain and to ANYTHING that the GOPs have to offer these days, I have no choice but to pick him.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
bahaaa....
Sam... Still stolen election if McKooK wins with a squeaker?.. Victory for Americans if Obummer wins by a squeaker????
I haven't lost any friends, I just laugh at everybody equally and tell them we're screwed no matter the outcome.
Victory for Americans if Obummer wins by a squeaker???? Only the programmers know for certain... Thank God the end of this circus is nearly here.
Amen brother and Amen. Some of our friends here at 4um actually are taking this "election" seriously. I find that amusing.
Now THERE'S a wise man. I've been saying "we're screwed no matter what" for quite a while, given that Ron Paul won't be winning.
Yeah, I am pretty much the same.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. How true for many of us.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
i'm very fortunate in that regard.
This is the lesson we're coming up to. Excellent post!
I accidentally stepped on my kitty's tail after a grueling day of replacing my waterbed after the damned heater went kerplooyie sometime during last night. Woke up stiff as a board and it all went downhill from there. After skipping breakfast once I realised the milk for my AppleJacks had gone sour, I decided to drain the waterbed, which required two sets of slipjoint pliers (never loan a friend slipjoint pliers without testing them upon their return) and a thorough soaking of my nice blue slippers once the plumbing was set. Turns out waterbed heaters are a rare commodity these days, so after driving past the empty building where I used to get waterbed heaters I pulled into random furniture store and enquired about their inventory of said hardware. I knew road was getting more narrow... Explained that I needed old bed hauled away before I could consider buying new one, no problem said the salesman. That was about 11:00AM today. Also explained that I required new bed delivered today or I'd have no place to sleep tonight - again, no problem. So I signed the papers and bought some new sheets at Sears. After wasting most of the day waiting (I know, I really should get a cell phone, but honestly, I would prolly just accidentally step on it) the delivery guy calls at like 5:30. Stupid MoFo assembled it alright, complete with one bolt on each side of the headboard. I barely touched the thing and it started collapsing on itself. So I went to the hardware store, to buy two bolts. Found the bolts I needed, but they were on a peg way too high for me to reach. After about four minutes of looking for an employee to help me, and another two of looking for something to use as a reacher stick, I cleared the lower display shelves and used them as a ladder, sustaining only minor scratches. Once the correct hardware was secured, I remembered I hadn't eaten all day and stopped for a gyro on the way home. It was $6.50. I joked with the lady at gyro place aabout everything costing $6.50, that was the high point of my day. Once I got home with barbecue wings and bolts, poor kitty had decided to plant herself between couch and coffetable where I usually take my meals, so lf course I stepped on her tail as I was sitting down to supper. What were we talking about...?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
lol. shall i tell you about the cat vomitx2 i had to clean off my carpet today? i didn't step on any tails though. ;)
ps: You know what else was funny? Walking halfway to the door at Sears before someone noticed I was carrying a bunch of stuff I wanted to buy, then making me walk halfway through the store again, ringing up my purchase, then asking if the bag she'd put it all in was too heavy. Classic.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
I don't think that how anyone here votes, or doesn't vote, will lose any friends: most here are way beyond believing in the HAVA machines and how the outcome will be given to us. The machines have already decided the outcome.
Two inferior products. Cat Stephens said "it's hard to get by just upon a smile"
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
Area under my waterbed was gross. I didn't realise cat fur would actually weave itself with carpet to form a space-age polymer. I cut the delivery morons some slack for not suggesting I take five to sweep, took half hour at least. Might have even freaked them out, poor little pinhead bastards. Hairballs are spooky!
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Giordano Bruno.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" What is the connection? EDIT: Looked him up, daring fellow that Mr. Bruno.
Gasp! If the Thai's didn't squeeze the rice market,you could have eaten at Reza's for a few bucks more.
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
I do love that lake superior whitefish, but I was squeezed for time today. At some point I've got to start acting like a vicious overseer anytime negroes are subcontracted to do any sort of work for me. Where can I get a whip? Strike that, it would prolly just get me beat up, eh?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
As he was being burned to death by the Catholic Church for him suggesting the earth circled about the Sun he famously kept to his observations "But it is so". Thought there was a connection.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Thought there was a connection. I see it now! Thanks, it's fitting. Very much.
Likely story Have your lawyer call my lawyer and I'll meet you in court as soon as obama appoints me Ambassador to Gazinkistan!
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
No way, dude, not as long as I have the advertising contract for all those station wagons.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Vomit..........stepped on tail.........how about a kitty with a broken leg? At least it was a clean break, has 2 pins in it; with luck they will come out in about 6 or 7 weeks. And, of course, this was all for a wild kitty! One of those I've been taming down..........she is now going to be my million dollar kitty! And I don't even know who her daddy is! And would you believe her name...............TURTLE (as in Turtle Dove)!
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
No. Edit: On second thought, please do. Cat puke is FAR more interesting than this sham election bullshit/nonsense.
#2. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
but I realize they were never friends.
#3. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
As it turns out, people I thought I knew are gone, but I realize they were never friends.
#4. To: christine (#0)
Talk about dividing America!!
#5. To: Cynicom (#4)
#6. To: Cynicom (#4)
(Edited)
#7. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#6)
Sorry, bubba, but I won't be voting for Obama BECAUSE he's black.
#8. To: Sam Houston (#5)
#9. To: christine (#0)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#10. To: Cynicom. all (#8)
Still stolen election if McKooK wins with a squeaker?..
#11. To: lodwick, all (#10)
Thank God the end of this circus is nearly here.
#12. To: X-15 (#9)
I haven't lost any friends, I just laugh at everybody equally and tell them we're screwed no matter the outcome.
#13. To: X-15 (#9)
I haven't lost any friends, I just laugh at everybody equally and tell them we're screwed no matter the outcome.
Lord Acton
#14. To: christine (#0)
I have no one in my immediate personal life who shares my worldview.
#15. To: mirage (#14)
#16. To: christine (#0)
Truth is truth even if only ONE person knows it and everyone else is against it.
#17. To: christine (#0)
I've lost my hair stylist. I almost lost my chiropractor. I now have a few friends I can no longer discuss politics with.
#18. To: Dakmar (#17)
#19. To: christine (#0)
#20. To: Pinguinite, Cynicom, angle, JD, all (#12)
#21. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#6)
Obama is so far superior to McCain
#22. To: christine (#18)
#23. To: OliviaFNewton (#16)
#24. To: tom007 (#23)
(Edited)
Giordano Bruno.
#25. To: Dakmar (#17)
I hadn't eaten all day and stopped for a gyro on the way home. It was $6.50.
#26. To: Flintlock (#25)
(Edited)
#27. To: OliviaFNewton (#24)
What is the connection?
#28. To: tom007 (#27)
As he was being burned to death by the Catholic Church for him suggesting the earth circled about the Sun he famously kept to his observations "But it is so".
#29. To: Dakmar (#26)
I was squeezed for time today.
#30. To: Flintlock (#29)
Have your lawyer call my lawyer and I'll meet you in court as soon as obama appoints me Ambassador to Gazinkistan!
#31. To: christine, Dakmar (#18)
#32. To: rowdee (#31)
And, of course, this was all for a wild kitty!
#33. To: christine (#18)
(Edited)
shall i tell you about the cat vomitx2 i had to clean off my carpet today?
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
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