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Title: Sick to death of hearing about yo'mama and mcfruitcake
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Published: Oct 30, 2008
Author: Me
Post Date: 2008-10-30 10:26:23 by PSUSA
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And it is not just here. Turn on the boob tube, and there they are. Read a newspaper, they are there too. Forums that arent even political, and who do you see? And all this is coming from people that slam wrestling as being staged. Unbelievable. At least wrestling can be entertaining.
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#1. To: PSUSA (#0)
It's understandable, we're on the verge of selecting a mystery man, one who is an overt socialist. I think most other topics pale in comparison to this.
You are right, pre-election has become painful but it's post-election that rivets my attention......
"The 'uniter' has brought the entire world together - to despise and deride us." lodwick
mine too
Are any of the msm talking about 'No Birth Certificate?' or no medical records?
Probably not. Is that surprising? One line in the movie The Green Berets stuck in my mind: "That is the press for you. You can write volumes about what they dont tell you". Or, words to that effect. I don't know. Just so people arent worried about something they cannot even control. IMO the only ones that should be afraid are those that haven't prepared the best they know how. If people can see that a SHTF is possible (if not probable) post election, and are at least somewhat prepated, then they are light years ahead of the partisan nitwits. I look at it this way: You dont have to outrun the wolves, you just have to outrun the idiotic sheep. Then, you can flank the wolves.
Tagline material. Some days it's easy to understand why Fred Reed, et al, have expatriated themselves.
Good advice, but don't hold your breath because it went right over the heads of the sheeple. Just go back to the list of latest posts on here and you can see how many are willing to settle on the lesser of two evils. Article after article is lambasting obanger and those who come down in the corner of mcnutz are at it again. They really aren't patriotic enough to have bet the farm on supporting Ron Paul from the beginning. At the first sign of some heavy lifting to support Ron Paul, many reverted back to their real selves. There is enough support from the posters here on 4um for both obanger and mcnutz. If the posters on here were really Ron Paul or third party candidate supporters, they could have made a big difference back before and up to the primary elections. Now they are a bunch of screaming banshees still in love with the establishments candidates and the establishments elections. Neither candidate nor party have been talking about governing by following the Constitution. That should be enough to scare off any voter with an ounce of brain, any voter who is a patriot, and any voter who loves his/her family. This shilling for either one of these establishment candidates makes for pathetic voters. The establishment has under their total control. If we could have spent the same amount of energy reaching out and educating voters from the beginning of this election cycle, we just might have been able to have a real candidate to cheer for and support all the way to the whitehouse. Instead, we are going to continue down the same old road as before and we will blame it on the other voters. I would put the percentage of voters on here who really are true patiots at less than 1%. The rest of you haven't a clue and deserve what has been happening and will continue to happen because of your actions. Don't stop now. You have set it up so we will be experiencing another 4 more years of the same old same old. When this election is over, many of you will deny you supported either one of these two scum bags. That will be an easy thing for many of you to do since you gave us 8 years of bushkie and have been denying it ever since. There will be a chain and ball fitting right after jan 20,2009. Hope you all get the proper size.
When things cool off, reasonable people will realize Ron Paul was even more disappointing than Buchanan & Perot. The economy is his issue, and this was his time. I have no idea why he bailed, but please don't sell me the threat scenario. That comes with the territory, and I'm sure his last threat wasn't his first. That he is still a member of the Republican party is nothing short of disgusting. Please place RP and his revolution on the dusty shelf along side of other patriot political saviours.
Harsh words, JT, but I am puzzled as well why Dr. Paul ended his Presidential campaign prematurely.
I agree w/ all of it. If I am in that 1%, (maybe more than that, but not much) then I am in good company. I have never been a conformist ;) "You have set it up so we will be experiencing another 4 more years of the same old same old. When this election is over, many of you will deny you supported either one of these two scum bags. That will be an easy thing for many of you to do since you gave us 8 years of bushkie and have been denying it ever since. " You would not believe the flak I took for telling people this, back when Smirk and his personal "romantic" (yes, smirk used that word, not me. War is romantic to him) invasion of Iraq was still relatively popular. You know what they say about taking flak, that means you are over the target. I bet Alger Hiss didnt get called a traitor as often as I did. Now, most of them are strangely silent about this... Hmm I wonder why. But you know they will vote for McNutcase or obamamama thereby proving their insanity by doing the same actions and hoping for a different result. Like you said, they deserve what they get. I washed my hands of that a long time ago. Warning them is an exercise in futility.
Well, SOMETHING happened. He was either unable or unwilling to surround himself with the kind of successful people needed to run a kick-ass campaign. He had the right message considering what happened with the economy starting in late August.
Did you happen to see this article? Jim Condit: required reading for serious political junkies
It's impossible to sugar coat reality, at least as I see it. Out of all the 3rd party people I've seen since the early 90s, RP was the best positioned, best funded and had the best grass root support of them all. If anyone can explain to me why he's still a member of the Wide Stance Party, I'll bite my tongue.
It might be as simple as him not wanting to be a potential spoiler to his party's nominee.
what was there left to support when Ron Paul left us? we had a very enthusiastic and actively supportive (both online and offline) number of Ron Paul posters here. everyone scattered to the wind when there was no more leader. what you see on 4um is a microcosm of what's happened to america.
Come on christine. You can do better than that. There were lukewarm Ron Paul supporters hellbent and mad that he wouldn't name a VP runningmate. Then there were those who were cheering on the blimp and the stretch limousine. All of it phoney! The truth is we acted like we won the game before it was played. Many were turned off by these theatrics. That money spent showboating could have bought many hours of television time like Ross Perot did when he made his case when running. That would have allowed Ron Paul to present his view of things wihout the distortions and the establishment clowns destroying him and further alienating those of us who know the real score. Now we got a bunch of big mouths shilling for obanger or mcnutz or shilling against obanger or mcnutz. Those in control know damned well they are in control and have no fear of us. It is just ducky that we have blown another golden chance at taking back our country. Doesn't that just make you feel so wonderful?
Geeze Jethro. I'm astounded that you don't have the answer to why he bailed. You seem to have the answers to everything else. I supported Pat Buchanan til it hurt, but I am not sorry that I did. It has made me a better person and has given me a better understanding on how much damage has been done to our beloved country. I believe Ron Paul chose to stay in the republican party so he could be part of the debates. We all saw Pat Buchanan try from the get-go to run as a third party candidate and that made it easy for the establishment and the lukewarm supporters to ignore him and to jettison him when it became convienent. I do believe you were one of the ones who bailed on Pat just as many self proclaimed patriots have done to Ron Paul. Ron tried doing it by staying within the party so he could be in the debates. And that was not enough. I'm not going to get wishy washy with you. We go back a long way to out days on freakerrepublik. I do notice that you have belittled yourself by calling obanger a 'nigger'. While I can not and do not support him or mcnutz, I can't stoop that low nor do I wish to let everyone know that I am morally bankrupt. You have every right to disagree with obanger and to say what you want, but just remember our actins carry a pricetag. Why don't you expend a little constructive investigating and write or call Dr. Paul and get the answer directly from the source. I'm sure he is man enough and honest enough to give you a straightforward answer why he stayed in the pubbie party and why he cut his losses when he did. ....and I bet you won't have to call him a nigger either!
The truth is we acted like we won the game before it was played. Many were turned off by these theatrics. That money spent showboating could have bought many hours of television time like Ross Perot did when he made his case when running. That would have allowed Ron Paul to present his view of things wihout the distortions Number one--who ran his campaign? Two--he{Paul} wouldn't have been allowed on tv to air his views by the PTB. By the way I do agree with everything you said..
Much as I hate most of the GOP, I don't blame RP for staying in the Republican party and keeping his Congressional seat. Otherwise he'd go from having very little influence to no influence. Unless you have Perot's billions and a weird friendship with Larry King, being a third party candidate is a one way ticket to invisibility. When Buchanan ran in 92 and 96 as a Republican, he got a lot of publicity (mostly negative, but attacks from neocons and liberals are what made people like us support Pat). When he ran 3d party, he became "Buchanan who?" As a Republican, Ron Paul's visibility and influence were minimal, but he was at least part of the radar screen. If he dropped out of the GOP, he'd have the same level of recognition as Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin. Staying in the GOP doesn't mean having to sell out. Ron Paul refuses to endorse McCain and endorsed Baldwin. What was Buchanan's excuse for endorsing Bush in 2004 and shilling for McPalin in his op-eds today?
Unless you have Perot's billions and a weird friendship with Larry King, being a third party candidate is a one way ticket to invisibility. I agree.
IMO, he bailed because he's a Republican who 1) didn't have the fire in his belly and 2) didn't want to appear to be a spoiler to the Republican nominee. Please, for the love of Christ, give me one solid reason he didn't flee from the Wide Stance Party after his failed process? The table was set for an independent run. That he remains a Republican speaks volumes to me. They are a disgrace, his House seat is safe, and he's 72 years old. Since I can't think of one issue he has in common w/the Rs, WTF is he doing there? As I said above, RP is the 3rd anti-establishment dud I've experienced since Perot. Thank god I only contributed money to Paul and not time. I knew in my heart it was a lost cause from the get go but rather than be a negative influence here, I took a sabbatical and didn't post here for more than a month. I came back when he quit, and quit he did. It's time you wake up and realize people like us have no representation. And about the people voting for O or M, what would you have them do if they still believe in the system? Vote for some obscure pol who is guaranteed to garner 3% (maybe) of the vote. To those people I say they're lost, but it isn't my place to tell them how to spend their time. All I can do is let folks know how I feel about their candidates. My last vote was for Buchanan in '00. I'm now a convert from the ballot box to the cartridge box. That is the only remedy we have to the tyranny Washington has in store for us.
Thank you for your vote of confidence. I do believe Ron Paul could have bought up TV time to get out his message. Money talks!
R_P, his influence extends to a nick name, "Dr No." I can't think of bill of note which he authored and passed in the past 20 years. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I think Ron Paul strongly identifies with the paleocon wing of the GOP - you remember that traditional conservative wing of the party that was beaten down by the evil neocons??? And perhaps Dr. Paul was hopeful that if he won enough delegates - even if he was not the winning candidate - but if he had a strong showing he could bring a strong paleocon influence to bear on the GOP Pres candidate and the Republican Party as a whole would have renewed interest and respect for the paleocons' positions.
Sounds like a good thing to me..
Gridlock Is Good.
It's a swell thing, but do it as an Indy, rather than from the child molester side of the aisle.
I still don't have an answer for you. Before you lose any more sleep over why he stayed in the pubbie party, I;ll pay for your call or telegram to him. I would hate to see you have a heartattack or stroke over what party he is in or remains in. You needn't tell me how disappointed you are in Pat Buchanan or Ron Paul's campaigns. I drove nearly 1000 miles putting up campaign signs for both of them and even worked the precints. I knew going in both of them had an uphill battle, but my love for this country overpowered my good senses. Feel free to critsize me of call me stupid if that will lessen your heartache for their unsuccessful campaigns. When I get called to the happy hunting ground, I won't have to tell a fibs to cover my ass when I am asked what I did to try and make a differenc. The best thing I can say and what I am most proud of is that I never compromised my principles or my support. I could never accuse either Pat or Ron for not having the fire in their belly. To be honest with you, I wished I could have done more for each of them and in turn, done more towards making my country a better place. Many do not know or understand the road blocks delibertly placed to defeat and discourage third party candidates. Dr. paul tried a different approach than Pat Buchanan knowing how poorly Pat fared in his attempt at the presidency. What happen to Pat in Iowa in 1996 would have made most men give up in politics. You should be familiar on how rigged the political process is slanted against third party candidates or the candidates who aren't hand picked by the establishment. members of the two wings of our one party only need a few thousand(token) signatures to get on the ballot. Others need tens of thousands to get on the ballot. Anyone who wants to critisize the candidates like Rion Paul and Pat Buchanan, haven't a clue how hard the battle will be. To me, they have earned my respect and I thank them for trying to restore my country through their efforts to run for public office. I'm saving my criticism for those who have brought us to the abyss of destruction.
Believe me L, I'm losing no sleep over the selection, or RPs decision to remain a Pubbie. And I won't bother to overnight RP asking him why. I already know the spiel about having influence in the party, etc. Some party...some influence. Had he remained in, he had the Perot-like opportunity to reach 8% of the vote and leave a legacy of a new party, eligible for matching federal campaign dollars, and ballot access on most, if not all, of the states. After '00 I came to the conclusion Buchanan bailed on the cause. If you feel otherwise, that's fine. Not much sense in re-raking the coals on any of these guys, frankly. Their time has come and gone as has that of the nation.
Let's not forget that the shadow govt considered Ron Paul to be such a threat to the status quo that he was virtually invisible. They would not allow us to elect him, and would likely go to war (or make him unable to serve, which would be so much easier) to prevent the people from ever getting free of their chains. The military industrial complex (which controls the media) The World Bank, The FED, Israel, the DEMs and the PUBs, The AARP, organized labor, Catholic Charities, and countless other govt and NGO orgs opposed him and the very idea of dismantling America's transfer payment system of govt. It would have been disingenuous for an honest man to continue to collect donations knowing that his delegates would never be allowed to attend the national convention, never mind submit his name. And, JT, you may dismiss the possibility of a chilling threat having been a factor, but you did so because it is an inconvenient obstacle to bashing Ron Paul, not because it wasn't a plausible reason for his ending the campaign. I dare say that Ron Paul was the greatest threat to foreign aid to Israel in modern history, and if you don't think those people play hardball then you haven't been keeping up on current events! Once Paul had achieved the highest dollar amount ever pledged/collected in a single day and had the largest rallies of any candidate and was still ignored, the writing was on the wall and it was pointless to continue. Ron Paul had the support of the entire freedom loving world which was a repudiation of every facet of our present govt, and therefore it is not only reasonable but damned likely that he was opposed by our govt, our media, our most influential corporate and banking dynasties and millions of beneficiaries of the redistribution of wealth in America and around the world. And that is a dangerous collection of enemies indeed. And even a steely-eyed Jethro Tull couldn't stare into that abyss without a chilling awareness of the threats they represented. And, once the non viability of his campaign was no longer in dispute and it was obvious and undeniable to a savvy statesman like Paul he did what he felt was the right thing to do. Rather than continue to collect donations from hopeful but naive Americans he withdrew. It's not his fault that many folks just don't understand that invisible candidates don't get elected in America.
"Is that what I said? Well, what I meant was...."__Richard Nixon
My career as a police officer would have lasted a week if I bailed after a threat. If RP was threatened, and that caused him to bail, he wasn't a leader. He should have expected that at a minimum going into the mess. I'll bet both O and M have been threatened, and yet here they are at the end process. If our generals leave the battlefield over threats - not actions, but threats - they are in the wrong business.
Well you at least had a threat deterrent strapped to your hip. Probably a 9mm glock. When talking about obanger and mcnutz being threatened, those doing the threatening werent the ones necessarily supporting Israel, the Hew World Order, calling for the abolishment of the IRS and the phoney thieving federal reserve bank. Those ruthless money men will stop at nothing to eliminate anyone who threatens their ill gotten money supply. I believe the terms Arkancided and bushwhacked are more ruthless than some deranged whacko who has too much to drink, or who's football team just got beat. Read about Vince Foster and others just like him.
You make a lot of valid plausible remarks. We may never know the whole truth.
L, RPs message was peace, which meant a defunding of the MIC. We're talking $10 billion dollars a month in Iraq alone. That puts a lot of pecker woods out of work. For the life of me I don't understand how a threat, if one did come, came unexpected. I fully and completely understand your disgust w/the system. RP was the only alternative to the sludge strutting about now. I can only imagine the time, effort and money some folks put into his effort. I shot my wad in '96 w/ PB. I'd guess close to $1500, lots of time and travel for naught. When he stood on the floor of the GOP convention w/Bob Dole, I damn near lost my lunch. I knew then Pat was an insider, but nevertheless voted for him again in '00 in hopes of keeping the Reform Party alive. I had been with it since it's inception in the post '94 election. I look back now at that time spent as a total and complete waste of my time, money and effort. Its fine that you feel differently about your latest work. In the end, I'm positive we'll both be at the same place at the same time. Peace.
Serpico left the country. There's a difference between threats in the course of normal law enforcement including retaliation by mafioso and drug gangsters and having the system laying for your ass. I believe that most police officers are killed in traffic collisions. Of course these stats are skewed by highway patrol officers who get creamed on the shoulders while writing citations and inspecting vehicles during car stops. Serpico had no way of knowing how many of his "fellow officers" were on the pad and just how far they'd go to get him after he talked. But, since the cost of the average hit wouldn't buy a rusted out Volvo he wasn't about to chance it. I don't fault him for that. And I don't fault Ron Paul if he got an anonymous call from someone who complimented him on his beautiful grandchildren.... It was only about 2 or 3 years ago that Israel announced that they are sending out hit teams worldwide to eliminate their enemies. And, I have no doubt that they'd consider a popular (and worse, an incorruptible) presidential candidate who opposes foreign aid "the enemy".
"Is that what I said? Well, what I meant was...."__Richard Nixon
Serpico was a fraud. He turned 'honest' after being short changed in the narcotic division. Newbies didn't get a full monthly 'cut' right away. Frank didn't like the rules, so he bitched. And that shooting through the door in the 90th Pct? A junkie got off a lucky shot. Nothing more than that. I was assigned to the Brooklyn North Task force that night and in the area. How can I prove Frank was a fraud? At that time in the NYPD, if Frank Serpico didn't realize his narcotic assignment would lead to regular monthly kickbacks, he was the only one in the dept. unaware. As Paul Harvey would have said, "And that is the rest of the story."
Nice
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#37. I better add IMVHO to that comment. FS is broke and wouldn't hesitate to use every legal remedy available to perpetuate his Hollywood persona.
Duly noted.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
That makes sense. So, was my buddy Bill Alleghretti (mounted) a good guy? And, do mounted officers get a cut of the pad?
"Is that what I said? Well, what I meant was...."__Richard Nixon
I'm sure I wasn't the first to question why he'd upset a very stable system and turn his department against him. It just didn't make sense when I watched the movie the first time.... Without an insider the FEDs were flatulating in the wind....
"Is that what I said? Well, what I meant was...."__Richard Nixon
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#2. To: PSUSA (#0)
#3. To: Bub (#2)
it's post-election that rivets my attention
#4. To: PSUSA, Jethro Tull, Bub, all (#0)
#5. To: lodwick, All (#4)
(Edited)
Are any of the msm talking about 'No Birth Certificate?' or no medical records?
#6. To: PSUSA (#5)
You don't have to outrun the wolves, you just have to outrun the idiotic sheep.
#7. To: PSUSA (#5)
I look at it this way: You dont have to outrun the wolves, you just have to outrun the idiotic sheep. Then, you can flank the wolves.
#8. To: All (#7)
#9. To: Jethro Tull (#8)
When things cool off, reasonable people will realize Ron Paul was even more disappointing than Buchanan & Perot.
#10. To: LACUMO (#7)
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#11. To: Jethro Tull (#8)
I have no idea why he bailed, but please don't sell me the threat scenario.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#12. To: scrapper2 (#9)
#13. To: scrapper2 (#9)
#14. To: X-15 (#11)
Well, SOMETHING happened.
#15. To: LACUMO (#7)
They really aren't patriotic enough to have bet the farm on supporting Ron Paul from the beginning.
#16. To: christine, All and the Unpatriotic (#15)
what was there left to support when Ron Paul left us?
#17. To: Jethro Tull, ALL, the Unpatriotic (#8)
When things cool off, reasonable people will realize Ron Paul was even more disappointing than Buchanan & Perot. The economy is his issue, and this was his time. I have no idea why he bailed, but please don't sell me the threat scenario.
#18. To: LACUMO (#16)
Then there were those who were cheering on the blimp and the stretch limousine. All of it phoney!
#19. To: LACUMO, Jethro Tull (#17)
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I believe Ron Paul chose to stay in the republican party so he could be part of the debates. We all saw Pat Buchanan try from the get-go to run as a third party candidate and that made it easy for the establishment and the lukewarm supporters to ignore him and to jettison him when it became convienent. I do believe you were one of the ones who bailed on Pat just as many self proclaimed patriots have done to Ron Paul. Ron tried doing it by staying within the party so he could be in the debates. And that was not enough.
#20. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#19)
Much as I hate most of the GOP, I don't blame RP for staying in the Republican party and keeping his Congressional seat. Otherwise he'd go from having very little influence to no influence.
#21. To: LACUMO (#17)
#22. To: Lady X (#18)
By the way I do agree with everything you said..
#23. To: Rupert_Pupkin, scrapper, all (#19)
Otherwise he'd go from having very little influence to no influence.
#24. To: Jethro Tull (#21)
Since I can't think of one issue he has in common w/the Rs, WTF is he doing there?
#25. To: Jethro Tull (#23)
I can't think of bill of note which he authored and passed in the past 20 years.
#26. To: Lady X (#25)
#27. To: Lady X (#25)
#28. To: Jethro Tull (#21)
IMO, he bailed because he's a Republican who 1) didn't have the fire in his belly and 2) didn't want to appear to be a spoiler to the Republican nominee.
#29. To: LACUMO (#28)
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#30. To: X-15, Jethro Tull, christine, LACUMO (#11)
Well, SOMETHING happened. He was either unable or unwilling to surround himself with the kind of successful people needed to run a kick-ass campaign. He had the right message considering what happened with the economy starting in late August.
#31. To: HOUNDDAWG (#30)
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And, JT, you may dismiss the possibility of a chilling threat having been a factor, but you did so because it is an inconvenient obstacle to bashing Ron Paul, not because it wasn't a plausible reason for his ending the campaign.
#32. To: Jethro Tull (#31)
My career as a police officer would have lasted a week if I bailed after a threat. If RP was threatened, and that caused him to bail, he wasn't a leader. He should have expected that at a minimum going into the mess. I'll bet both O and M have been threatened,
#33. To: HOUNDDAWG (#30)
Rather than continue to collect donations from hopeful but naive Americans he withdrew. It's not his fault that many folks just don't understand that invisible candidates don't get elected in America.
#34. To: LACUMO (#32)
#35. To: Jethro Tull (#31)
My career as a police officer would have lasted a week if I bailed after a threat. If RP was threatened, and that caused him to bail, he wasn't a leader. He should have expected that at a minimum going into the mess. I'll bet both O and M have been threatened, and yet here they are at the end process. If our generals leave the battlefield over threats - not actions, but threats - they are in the wrong business.
#36. To: HOUNDDAWG (#35)
Serpico left the country.
#37. To: Jethro Tull (#36)
#38. To: Rotara (#37)
#39. To: Jethro Tull (#38)
FS is broke
#40. To: Jethro Tull (#36)
#41. To: Jethro Tull (#38)
I better add IMVHO to that comment. FS is broke and wouldn't hesitate to use every legal remedy available to perpetuate his Hollywood persona.
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