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Title: Obama's Redistribution Scheme Bites Him In The Butt
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Published: Oct 30, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-10-30 20:16:48 by James Deffenbach
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In a local Leesburg restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference--just imagine the coincidence. When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight. I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful. At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more. I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.
Poster Comment: The same friend sent me the cartoon and that little story about the mentally handicapped server in a restaurant wearing political bs that he should have known would offend people and thus cost the people he worked for money (not to mention the tips he would lose from the pissed off people he waited on). I have no use for Obama or McCain but thought the cartoon and that little story were worthy of posting.
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#1. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
Great cartoon. Diane Sawyer Touts More Taxes for 'Disproportionately Advantaged' newsbusters.org/blogs/sco.../diane-sawyer-touts-more- taxes-disproportionately-advantaged
Amazing just amazing - it's like 1917 Russia here.
Amazing just amazing - it's like 1917 Russia here. I think the media types will wake one morning to find their services are no longer needed. Some will be kept as readers.
the cartoon is perfect and i enjoyed the anecdotal story. thanks for posting, JD.
Diane Sawyer--another communist "news reader." That is about all that can be expected of them.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Thank you kindly, glad you enjoyed it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I must be a little dense or something. Can someone set me straight on what the difference is giving a tax break(like capital gains tax reduction) to the wealthy and making the middle class make up the difference versus giving a tax break to the middle class and having the wealthy make up the difference. When the wealthy get a tax reduction it is a healthy thing to do. When the middle class gets a tax reduction it is wrong and is wealth redistribution. Am I missing somehing here or as I asked, am I dense or something?
It's their haughty tone I love the most./s
Yea, you see, the wealthy are already paying a greater percentage of their income. They get the break because they pay more, they're in a higher "bracket" which is bullshit "Progressivism". Aside from that, anyone who actually believes the freaking government needs more money or is actually going to do something beneficial for the Republic and it's citizens with it is a fool. Remember, when the government siezed the Mustang Ranch they ended up driving it under, the government can't make money selling sex and booze!. Let them go broke, there will be a lot of misery and chaos but hopefully leading to a rebirth, all giving them more tax money will EVER do is prolong and worsen the misery...
Bring on the Depression. Bring it the F*** ON! If digging ditches and eating beans for a few years is what it takes for me to see some worthless sacks of crap bankers and politicians living in sack cloth and being spat upon by my fellow Americans well... where's my shovel?!?!
the answer is to reduce taxes for everyone equally, not targeted tax cuts.
When the wealthy get a tax reduction it is a healthy thing to do. When the middle class gets a tax reduction it is wrong and is wealth redistribution. Am I missing somehing here or as I asked, am I dense or something? The truly wealthy - the top 10% of income earners - already account for 60% of gov't revenues. Why should they be taxed more? Why should they be penalized for their success? What's the point of being smart and working hard and aspiring for success if the government will turn around and take more and more of your earnings and give it to strangers sitting on their butts in public housing and smoking weed all day? The middle class are also paying more than their share in taxes and out of proportion to what they take out in terms of gov't services - as per the case of rich - to float the underclass and illegal aliens. Furthermore, where I live an ICU nurse and a small business owner who have a house and some $ invested in stocks would be defined as "rich" under Obama's tax plan. If you accumulate assets, imo, it's yours to spend or give away as you please. It's not for government to steal from you to give to someone else who did not earn it.
I'm all for that. So, let's see, first we need to repeal all the tax cuts given to the rich under commrad bush. Ok! I'm all for that. Now we all need a tax cut so we can all be treated equal. I'm all for that. Then we need to abolish the federal income tax which is llegal and contrary to our Constitution. Then we need to tax the hell outta corporations who are supposed to be paying taxes and also we need to put 50-55% import tax on everything coming into the country. Other than that, screw all us middle class peons and drive us into poverty and submission. Some of the wealthy have damned near lost their shirt speculating on wall street. Shame on anybody who doesn't see the need to take care of our wealthy.
Just more of the same old blather. About in the same league as telling black athletes white athletes need higher salaries because they have a higher standard of living. The wealthy bastards own almost everything as it is and we got to make sure they don't have a reduction in their standard of living. None of us should be paying any of our income towards illegal taxes. You need to go back to kindergarten and learn what kind of taxes are allowed under the Constitution.
I can agree with this. But why should the government give and give and give one tax break after another to the wealthy and then make me pay more to make up for the shortfall of revenue. After all, if the rich didn't employe the illegal aliens and the very poor and working both at substandard wages, we in the middle class wouldn't have to be supporting those who the rich are ripping off. Our system would be perfect if the rich hadn't bought and paid for our politicans thru political bribes. Most of us have learned there is no such thing as a free lunch. We could be living in a societal utopia if only the rich understood that and quit trying to elude paying their fair share.
If the gov't has cut spending and can afford to give tax breaks then of course firstly the rich and secondly the middle class should be the 2 economic groups who should get the tax breaks because they are the ones who are taxed the most. Do you think the poor and the illegals should profit instead when they pay little or nothing? What are you getting at? I'm middle class and I don't believe my federal taxes have gone up under W. Are you sure your state tax isn't the culprit for increases you are experiencing in taxes?
Both state and local taxes have gone up. They have gone up some because of the lost federal revenue and the many programs bush has proposed and passed but failed to make the necessary monies available. A good example is No Child Left Behind. Then we are paying for an illegal war started on lies told to us by the current administration. I am retired now and on a fixed income. It wasn't retirement by choice believe me. I get so damned mad when people call things like social security an entitlement. That may be what it is for the illegal aliens bush allowed to come into our country, but to me it is strictly a return on my investment that I paid into for over 50 years. A mandatory investment no less. Both the employer and I contributed to the SS fund all those years. Funny how the people don't call the exorbitant political salaries and the politicans health care and pensions entitlements. Funny how they need more and more and they expect us to get by on less and less and have been giving away social security money, have been looting the fund, and have been increasing our taxes like we all have a money tree. I guess the figures don't lie, only liars figure. Another 4 more years like the last eight will not onlyremove me from the ranks of lower lower middle class, but will reduce my standard of living to the point I won't have any money to pay all the taxes, federal,state, and local. Thank God I learned to be extremely frugal from my parents who went thru the great depression.
I was telling someone just the other day that folks who can't pimp ho's and sell liquor, two things which are always in high demand, and can't make a profit shouldn't be running any kind of business and should never ever be in charge of a complicated economy.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. When the wealthy get a tax reduction it is a healthy thing to do. When the middle class gets a tax reduction it is wrong and is wealth redistribution. Am I missing somehing here or as I asked, am I dense or something? Ever hear the expression that "a rising tide lifts all boats"? Any and all tax cuts are good things. Tax cuts for "the wealthy" only means the government is stealing a bit less of their money than they were before. Tax reductions are also good when the middle class get them--I repeat, any and all tax cuts are good things. What you may be missing is that the government, which is nothing more than a group of individuals, has no right to steal from anyone, the rich or the middle class. If you don't have the right to hold a gun on your neighbor and take some part of what he has earned, either for yourself or to give it to someone who, in your opinion, is worse off than the guy you're robbing, neither does anyone else. I don't know if you have ever read Frederic Bastiat's excellent little book The Law, but if you haven't you should. Here is an excerpt from it which tells you how to identify "legal plunder" and why it is not right. Then abolish this law without delay, for it is not only an evil itself, but also it is a fertile source for further evils because it invites reprisals. If such a law — which may be an isolated case — is not abolished immediately, it will spread, multiply, and develop into a system. The person who profits from this law will complain bitterly, defending his acquired rights. He will claim that the state is obligated to protect and encourage his particular industry; that this procedure enriches the state because the protected industry is thus able to spend more and to pay higher wages to the poor workingmen. Do not listen to this sophistry by vested interests. The acceptance of these arguments will build legal plunder into a whole system. In fact, this has already occurred. The present-day delusion is an attempt to enrich everyone at the expense of everyone else; to make plunder universal under the pretense of organizing it. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yeah, I know what you mean. Their news reading almost always brings a lump to my throat and a tear to my glass eye. Guess that is why I don't watch TV very much.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. But according to you, tax cuts for "the middle class" means the government is redistrubating the wealth and apparently doesn't mean the government is stealing less of their money than they were before. But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay, for it is not only an evil itself, but also it is a fertile source for further evils because it invites reprisals. If such a law — which may be an isolated case — is not abolished immediately, it will spread, multiply, and develop into a system. It has been impossible this far to abolish these two illegal laws that have become tools of the rich to steal from us and are used to escape their rightful share of taxation. Their illegal laws have created a monster that has just about wiped out the middle class and no doubt will finish it off with the blessing of many who don't understand that the wealthy are making a criminal financial killing at the expense of the rest of us. When they keep getting tax reductions, we have to pay more to make up their share. The person who profits from this law will complain bitterly, defending his acquired rights. He will claim that the state is obligated to protect and encourage his particular industry; that this procedure enriches the state because the protected industry is thus able to spend more and to pay higher wages to the poor workingmen. Yes1 The rich complain that there is a redistribution of wealth every time the middle class gets a tax reduction, which by the way, rarely if ever happens. The rich would have us believe we are all better off when they receive tax abatements and reductions from the politicans they own. They claim that the trickle down theory will be a boone to the middle class and will ease our financial misery. The person who profits from this law will complain bitterly, defending his acquired rights. He will claim that the state is obligated to protect and encourage his particular industry; that this procedure enriches the state because the protected industry is thus able to spend more and to pay higher wages to the poor workingmen. As for the myth that business will use these tax breaks to enhance the paychecks of the workers is so ridiculous that it should be used as a stand-up comedy routine All the good things like wage increase come from unions or the threat of workers organizing a union. Generally the rich business men hold us in contempt and believe like Andrew Carnegie, that we aren't worth more than 50 cents a day. Do not listen to this sophistry by vested interests. The acceptance of these arguments will build legal plunder into a whole system. In fact, this has already occurred. It indeed has already occurred. Our politicans have listened to these arguments, passed legislation, sometimes illegal, and contrary to our Constitution and have made it possible that we now live under a system of legal plunder and it isn't the middle class doing the plundering. I don't know if you have ever read Frederic Bastiat's excellent little book The Law, but if you haven't you should. Here is an excerpt from it which tells you how to identify "legal plunder" and why it is not right. No I have never read this gentleman's book. It probably wouldn't do much to change my mind. I'm sure there are those who disagree with this gentleman and can give differing opinions on their take on the pros and cons of our system of taxation. For too long and with the aid of illegal laws like the federal reserve and the federal income tax, businesses have been running roughshod over the rest of us. You can believe what you want. I believe we need another TEA PARTY and pretty quick before we have no middle class whatsoever. Taxation without representation is the rule now, instead of the exception. Of course if business were really the good guys as so many of you claim, maybe they will start the next housing bubble by building company houses for us and open company stores like in the good old days. Hell, after all we are barely human beings and have very little need for much more than a couple of bowls of slop each day and a good pair of work pants so we can serve our masters in their sweat shops.
I leave you with one thought which has been attributed--some say erroneously--to Herbert Spencer--but, no matter who said it, seems to fit many cases. Another version of that quote, one I used to use on a message board I posted on at the time, is somewhat different. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yes, I understand that I can "believe what I want." And I agree with you on many things, especially about the hated and despised "income tax." It is not the tax itself which is unconstitutional but its application is wrong in most cases. It doesn't mean what most people have been led to believe it means because it is used as a slang term and most people couldn't tell you what it means in the legal sense of the word if you were holding a gun on them. Social Security is another scam and there is no "trust fund" which people have been conned into believing. The government has committed numerous crimes against the people in their various vote buying schemes--but of course they are buying their votes with their own money.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I usually oppose "soak the rich" tax policies for a very simple, selfish reason, and it isn't because I'm all that well off. When corporations take a hit with higher taxes, they pass on the cost to everyone else. This is especially true of oil companies. As much as I despise Big Oil's political clout, I know perfectly well that a tax hike on oil companies will hurt us at the pump a lot more than they'll hurt the wallets of Dick Cheney's pals.
#2. To: OliviaFNewton (#1)
Diane Sawyer Touts More Taxes for 'Disproportionately Advantaged'
#3. To: scrapper2 (#2)
Diane Sawyer Touts More Taxes for 'Disproportionately Advantaged'
#4. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
#5. To: OliviaFNewton (#1)
Lord Acton
#6. To: christine (#4)
the cartoon is perfect and i enjoyed the anecdotal story. thanks for posting, JD.
Lord Acton
#7. To: christine, All (#4)
the cartoon is perfect and i enjoyed the anecdotal story. thanks for posting, JD.
#8. To: James Deffenbach (#5)
Diane Sawyer--another communist "news reader." That is about all that can be expected of them.
#9. To: LACUMO (#7)
Can someone set me straight on what the difference is giving a tax break(like capital gains tax reduction) to the wealthy and making the middle class make up the difference versus giving a tax break to the middle class and having the wealthy make up the difference.
#10. To: LACUMO (#7)
#11. To: LACUMO (#7)
I must be a little dense or something. Can someone set me straight on what the difference is giving a tax break(like capital gains tax reduction) to the wealthy and making the middle class make up the difference versus giving a tax break to the middle class and having the wealthy make up the difference.
#12. To: christine (#10)
the answer is to reduce taxes for everyone equally, not targeted tax cuts.
#13. To: Axenolith (#9)
Yea, you see, the wealthy are already paying a greater percentage of their income. They get the break because they pay more, they're in a higher "bracket" which is bullshit "Progressivism".
#14. To: scrapper2 (#11)
If you accumulate assets, imo, it's yours to spend or give away as you please. It's not for government to steal from you to give to someone else who did not earn it.
#15. To: LACUMO (#14)
But why should the government give and give and give one tax break after another to the wealthy and then make me pay more to make up for the shortfall of revenue.
#16. To: scrapper2 (#15)
I'm middle class and I don't believe my federal taxes have gone up under W. Are you sure your state tax isn't the culprit for increases you are experiencing in taxes?
#17. To: Axenolith (#9)
Remember, when the government siezed the Mustang Ranch they ended up driving it under, the government can't make money selling sex and booze!
Lord Acton
#18. To: LACUMO (#7)
I must be a little dense or something. Can someone set me straight on what the difference is giving a tax break(like capital gains tax reduction) to the wealthy and making the middle class make up the difference versus giving a tax break to the middle class and having the wealthy make up the difference.
But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime.
Lord Acton
#19. To: OliviaFNewton (#8)
It's their haughty tone I love the most./s
Lord Acton
#20. To: James Deffenbach (#18)
Tax cuts for "the wealthy" only means the government is stealing a bit less of their money than they were before.
#21. To: LACUMO (#20)
(Edited)
No I have never read this gentleman's book. It probably wouldn't do much to change my mind. I'm sure there are those who disagree with this gentleman and can give differing opinions on their take on the pros and cons of our system of taxation. For too long and with the aid of illegal laws like the federal reserve and the federal income tax, businesses have been running roughshod over the rest of us.
‘There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance; that principle is contempt prior to investigation.’
‘There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance; that principle is condemnation without investigation.’
Lord Acton
#22. To: LACUMO (#20)
You can believe what you want. I believe we need another TEA PARTY and pretty quick before we have no middle class whatsoever. Taxation without representation is the rule now, instead of the exception. Of course if business were really the good guys as so many of you claim, maybe they will start the next housing bubble by building company houses for us and open company stores like in the good old days. Hell, after all we are barely human beings and have very little need for much more than a couple of bowls of slop each day and a good pair of work pants so we can serve our masters in their sweat shops.
Lord Acton
#23. To: LACUMO (#20)
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