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Title: Vatican issues screening guidelines for priests [screening for evidence of homosexuality]
Source: AP
URL Source: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie ... &SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Published: Oct 30, 2008
Author: Frances D'Emilio
Post Date: 2008-10-30 20:28:03 by scrapper2
Keywords: Vatican gets wise, gays will not be accepted for
Views: 204
Comments: 5

VATICAN CITY (AP) -- The Vatican issued new psychological screening guidelines for seminarians Thursday - the latest effort by the Roman Catholic Church to be more selective about its priesthood candidates following a series of sex abuse scandals.

The church said it issued the new guidelines to help church leaders weed out candidates with "psychopathic disturbances." The scandals have rocked the church in recent years, triggering lawsuits that have cost hundreds of millions of dollars in settlements.

"(The guidelines) became ever more urgent because of the sexual scandals," Monsignor Jean-Louis Brugues told reporters. He stressed, however, that psychological testing was used in some seminaries as far back as the 1960s - or at least a decade before the sexual abuse scandals exploded in public.

"In all too many cases, psychological defects, sometimes of a pathological kind, reveal themselves only after ordination to the priesthood," the guidelines said. "Detecting defects earlier would help avoid many tragic experiences."

The guidelines said problems like "confused or not yet well-defined" sexual identities need to be addressed.

The Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests said the Vatican needs to go beyond screening seminarians to end what the group calls the church's "virtually unchanged culture of secrecy and unchecked power in the hierarchy" that left dangerous priests in parishes.

"Every barrel will always have some bad apples," the Survivors Network said. "Real change requires effectively reforming the barrel and those who oversee it."

Vatican officials conducted an evaluation of U.S. Roman Catholic seminaries in response to the abuse crisis to look for anything that contributed to the scandal. The evaluation was completed in July of 2006, but the results have not been made public.

The bishops and seminary staff who conducted the onsite reviews gave special attention to what seminarians are taught about chastity and celibacy. The Vatican also directed the evaluators to look for "evidence of homosexuality" in the schools.

Studies commissioned by the bishops' conference have found that the majority of known victims of abuse by priests in the last 50 years were adolescent boys. In response, some Catholics have blamed gay clergy for the scandal; experts on sex offenders contend homosexuals are no more likely than heterosexuals to molest children.

A 2005 Vatican document said men with "deep-seated" homosexual tendencies shouldn't be ordained, but that those with a "transitory problem" could become priests if they had overcome them for three years. The Vatican considers homosexual activity sinful.

The new guidelines reflect the earlier teaching, stressing that if a future priest shows "deep-seated homosexual tendencies," his seminary training "would have to be interrupted."

The guideline say priests must have a "positive and stable sense of one's masculine identity" and the capacity to "integrate his sexuality in accordance" with the obligation of celibacy.

The church is struggling to provide enough priests for parishes in many parts of the West because of waning vocations. But Pope Benedict XVI has said it is more important to have good priests than a greater number of priests.

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Studies commissioned by the bishops' conference have found that the majority of known victims of abuse by priests in the last 50 years were adolescent boys.

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#1. To: scrapper2 (#0)

In response, some Catholics have blamed gay clergy for the scandal; experts on sex offenders contend homosexuals are no more likely than heterosexuals to molest children.

That is a lie.

Who are these unknown experts? Is all you have to say is "experts say" and every one shuts up? I don't believe it for a second. Most likely these "experts" are either gay themselves or typical left wing rabid professors or sociologists at major universities.

echo5sierra  posted on  2008-10-30   20:38:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: scrapper2 (#0)

There was a conservative Catholic gentleman I heard interviewed on one of the local Christian stations a few years ago, on Mary Starret's progam - or Lou Whatsisname who was on before her, who wrote a book on the Gay Pedophile Priests and the Church's mishandling of the issue. He asserted that the problem became serious after the Church instituted Psychological "Screening" for Priests. He attributed it to the bent of the Atheist-Materialist viewpoint of the Psychologists/Psychiatrists who view Homosexuality as normal and acceptable while regard devout religious faith as a "Mental Disorder". As a consequence earnest and devout young men were turned away and a bunch of faggots were ordained as being more "normal" than the devout and earnest young men aspiring to the Priesthood.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-30   20:43:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: echo5sierra (#1)

Who are these unknown experts? Is all you have to say is "experts say" and every one shuts up? I don't believe it for a second. Most likely these "experts" are either gay themselves or typical left wing rabid professors or sociologists at major universities.

You got it. Psychologists are big on promoting this myth. Statistically gays make up around 3% of the general population and males are 50% of that but when you look at the stats re: pederasty (abuse of adolescent boys) done by gays as opposed to what is committed by straight males in the general population, the risk for pederasty being committed by gays is significantly greater.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-30   20:45:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: echo5sierra, scrapper2 (#1)

In response, some Catholics have blamed gay clergy for the scandal; experts on sex offenders contend homosexuals are no more likely than heterosexuals to molest children.

That is a lie.

Who are these unknown experts? Is all you have to say is "experts say" and every one shuts up? I don't believe it for a second. Most likely these "experts" are either gay themselves or typical left wing rabid professors or sociologists at major universities.

It is done with statistical sleight of hand by including the Homos in the general population figures and then making a false comparison.

As Benjamin Disraeli commented, and Mark Twain repeated, there are three kinds of lies:

Lies

Damned Lies

And

Statistics.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-30   20:46:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Original_Intent (#2)

He attributed it to the bent of the Atheist-Materialist viewpoint of the Psychologists/Psychiatrists who view Homosexuality as normal and acceptable while regard devout religious faith as a "Mental Disorder".

And this mindset is particularly prevalent within the American psychologist and psychiatrist community. And that's why almost all of the cases of pederasty occurred in American Catholic Churches where the Purple Palace was allowed to flourish. I recall reading something about when the pederasty cases started to come to light, the Vatican basically dissociated itself from the issue saying it was an "American problem" so let the American bishops figure it out.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-30   20:51:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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