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Title: OBAMA TELLS SAN FRANCISCO HE WILL BANKRUPT THE COAL INDUSTRY
Source: SF Chronicle
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ
Published: Nov 2, 2008
Author: Obama
Post Date: 2008-11-02 12:17:41 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 301
Comments: 28

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#1. To: Horse (#0)

Obama is very much an amalgam of Lenin, Marx, and Stalin. He friggin' believes industries will flourish or be destroyed based on his whim. Obama so full of himself that he's really becoming too obnoxious to listen to.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-02   12:24:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Horse (#0)

Barrack Hussein Soetoro Che Obama Mugabe Odinga el Diablo is *THE* biggest MOTHER F**KER ever selected by the illegal shadow government / cabal.

Only a loser AS LARGE AS BARRY HUSSEIN O could make another Traitor like Juan mcCain look 'votable' to the fear filled rubes.

Now that's saying something.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-02   12:24:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: scrapper2 (#1)

Obama so full of himself that he's really becoming too obnoxious to listen to.

Its not just Obama. Its his supporters too.

Those of us who cherish freedom and liberty are getting really tired of having this crap shoved down our throats.

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-11-02   12:35:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Horse, *Agriculture-Environment* (#0)


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-11-02   14:13:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: mirage, scrapper2, noone222, Original_Intent, lodwick, rotara, a vast right wing conspiracy, wudidiz, christine (#3)

Those of us who cherish freedom and liberty are getting really tired of having this crap shoved down our throats.

You are going to get cap and trade with McCain as well. I'm part of an international climate forum, mostly scientists, and I can tell you that the global elites are pushing hard right now for cap and trade. They want this bad and they see global temperatures cooling and the window of opportunity closing.

So let's look at the big picture for a minute. How does this election play into their game? You've all seen my posts about how I think Obama will take popular vote while McCain takes Electoral College. And I know some of you think I'm nuts, maybe I am. I believe the resulting civil unrest will give them cover to slip a lot of this stuff under the radar just like when they put carbon crap in the banking bailout. They'll use it like 9/11 to get a bunch of this stuff passed. The big push is for cap and trade and things like the NAU. Time is short. Look for things to happen fast after the election.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-11-02   14:21:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Jethro Tull, bluegrass (#5)

sorry, didn't get you guys pinged in the last post.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-11-02   14:24:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: farmfriend (#5)

Obama will take popular vote while McCain takes Electoral College.

Hoo boy, if you're correct........

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-11-02   14:25:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: swarthyguy (#7)

Hoo boy, if you're correct........

This is one time I would love to be very wrong, well except that Obama would then be Pres. Sigh. There's that ole rock and hard place thing again.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-11-02   14:28:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: farmfriend, all (#6)

Might as well make a buck

Generation Investment Management is Al Gore's environmental fund. I'm betting to goes thru the roof in an Obama administration. Can anyone please find the cost per share? I'm sure it's publicly funded.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-11-02   14:54:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull (#9)

I'm betting to goes thru the roof in an Obama administration. Can anyone please find the cost per share?

McCain is for cap and trade too. Global elites always hedge their bets. They have both sides covered. They want cap and trade bad. They will have it come hell or high water.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-11-02   14:59:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: farmfriend (#8)

Obama would then be Pres.

Why, if that happens, McCain gets in.

I don't see the overturning of the electoral college post election.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-11-02   15:00:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: swarthyguy (#11)

I don't see the overturning of the electoral college post election.

This would be at least the second madernday election where Electoral College beat out popular vote. With blacks rioting in the street it will become an issue.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-11-02   15:04:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: farmfriend (#5)

You are going to get cap and trade with McCain as well.

I think McCain can be successfully nullified by pounding the table hard enough.

Obama I am uncertain about. I don't think We The People could budge him to say "no" loudly enough.

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-11-02   15:33:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Horse, anniok, all, ROTARA, christine, lodwick, texans (#0)

Ping to Thread

I never thought there could be anyone worse than El Diablo Obama...until I remembered the raving lunatic that is his VP nominee. Rotara, your post is right on. He, and his VP, are the worst ever foisted upon us.
And yes, scary to think he makes traitor McCain look electable. But damn he knows how to blow up a carrier flight deck and can run like the devil for a short guy. That must mean something, right? LOL

May Tuesday catch none of us asleep. Regardless of the outcome, may God help us all. We're gonna' need it. Unlike the real Sam Houston, I am for secession.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of its very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2008-11-02   16:06:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: mirage (#13)

I think McCain can be successfully nullified by pounding the table hard enough.

I don't. Look at the banking bailout. The people were sreaming yet they passed anyway with carbon crap added in. He might pay lip service but it will still get done one way or another.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-11-02   17:23:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: farmfriend (#15)

The people were sreaming yet they passed anyway with carbon crap added in. He might pay lip service but it will still get done one way or another.

True, and that is a risk, but if you have to pick the lesser of two weevils, I think McCain can be swayed while Obama appears to believe his own BS.

Looking at the Amnesty debacle, McCain's comment in private was that if the people wanted the damn border secured, he'd do it and THEN do the Amnesty.

Okay, so we have an example. Going forward, if that MO holds true, then McCain can be backed off into a "this first" type of situation which would outlast his tenure in office.

Just thinking out loud here about how to sabotage politicians....it could fail, but if we're stuck in the "one or the other" situation again, I still think McCain can be backed off easier than Obama.

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-11-02   18:41:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Horse (#0)

OBAMA TELLS SAN FRANCISCO HE WILL BANKRUPT THE COAL INDUSTRY

Good for him. I was tired of that pesky electricity anyway.

I'm converting my house to run on whale oil.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2008-11-02   18:51:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Esso (#17)

Better you construct a large hamster wheel, buy a few slaves, and teach them to "run to the cheese"

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-11-02   19:06:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: farmfriend (#5)

You are going to get cap and trade with McCain as well.

mcCain supporters are ignorant, stupid and scared.

Fobama supporters are thieves, criminals, deviants, devils, Communists, Fascists and World Socialist Globalists.

The cabal wins this battle; the ballot box was used to steal the country from the proles.

Be ready to fight or search beyond our once sovereign borders for some peace.

AmeriKa is terminating anything and anyone that's not on board with the luciferian world communist order.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-02   19:43:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: IndieTX (#14)

Rotara, your post is right on.

Thanks. God help us all indeed. All of us that didn't sell out America that is. The rest can rot.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-02   19:44:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Rotara (#19)

44. To: ferret (#43)

The Iraqis are going to regain control of Iraq independently from the wishes of Bush. And there is nothing, not spin, not hopes, not anything that is going to change that simple fact. Exactly. And that is how it should be.

Arator posted on 2004-04-11 15:00:44 ET

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45. To: Raisedeyebrows (#41) Bundeling is when the company sends in all the checks from individual employees, in a bundle to a specific candidate.

It's neither illegal or immoral. Can it be abused? Yep. What can't?

ALS posted on 2004-04-11 15:01:22 ET

That you in the second post? You sure sound like Cash Wakefield of Kansas. And he's the only one I've fought online in the returning bannee nick I had at elpee.

I've been expecting him here, and I'll bet that Arator backwards would be the sort of nick a software nerd would chose.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-11-02   19:58:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Rotara (#20) (Edited)

37. To: beowolf (#29) You've hit upon a key factor. It's well known that extremists that can't cut it elsewhere will gravitate to any site that will allow them on board. Moveon.org has already made it clear they intend to send out their minions to conservative leaning sites, pose as conservatives, and blame Bush for everything. Intending to foment bitter infighting and hopefully cause enough discord to distract everyone from the facts and the real issues.

Given the size of reknown of thise site, one would need to be blind to think this is not a prime target. The posting that goes on here shows it is. The ratio of negative to positive news is off the map. A newbie accessing this forum need only look at the sidebar to presume it's an anti-American site.

You can see the precise mindset on this site:

http://www.againstbombing.com

One would almost believe that it's a breeding ground for the types that infest this site.

ALS posted on 2004-04-11 14:46:22 ET Reply Trace

Strange isn't it? How you not only share verbiage galore, but obsessions. And you have the same strategic goals too.

Oh, I knew from your first agenda laden attack you were a flying monkey.

How's Charity doing?


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-11-02   20:19:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: ferret mike (#21)

You sure sound like Cash Wakefield of Kansas.

You sure sound like a L-Y-I-N-G sack of s#it Communist Globalist-cs.

You're both pathetic NEOCONS.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-02   20:20:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Rotara (#19)

RaisedEyeBrows is here in the office with me, he says to say howdy.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-11-02   20:22:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Ferret Mike (#24)

RaisedEyeBrows is here in the office with me, he says to say howdy.

Tell him to come online after he blows another load in your ass.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-02   20:25:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: mirage (#16)

I still think McCain can be backed off easier than Obama.

You could well be correct. Course I've already said I think McCain will get it on Electoral votes anyway.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-11-02   20:30:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Rotara (#25)

Heh, all you can think about is my butt? Sorry, you'll have to stick to what you can find in the closet in Kansas.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-11-02   20:31:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: all (#0)

Barack Obama, in S.F., takes on the Clintons

Sen. Barack Obama fielded questions on a variety of topics in a meeting with
The Chronicle's editorial board
Thursday, Jan. 17 at the St. Francis Hotel.
Duration: 53 min.
File size: 336 MB
Camera: Frederic Larson, Chronicle Staff

http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1381682549

52m:04s

Coal addressed from 25:15 to 29:00

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[Youtube extract in bold]

Q. Senator, you introduced a bill promoting coal production for fuels and then you said you'd only support them if they emitted fewer greenhouse gases than gasoline. Now, all the scientific evidence points to coal being dirtier than pretty much anything else. So how are you going to square your support for coal with the need to fight global warming?

OBAMA:

I've already done it. You know, I voted against the Clear Skies Bill. In fact I was the deciding vote. Despite the fact that I'm a coal state, and that half of my state thought I'd thoroughly betrayed them because I think clean air is critical and global warming is critical. But this notion of no coal I think is an illusion because the fact of the matter is that right now we are getting a lot of our energy from coal and China is building a coal powered plant once a week. So what we've got to do then is figure out how we can use coal without emitting greenhouse gases and carbon. And how can we sequester that carbon and capture it. If we can't, then we're gonna still be working on alternatives, but...

QUESTIONER: Alternatives including coal, or alternatives...

OBAMA: Let me sort of describe my overall policy. What I've said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is more, that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else's out there. I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases that was emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the racheted down caps that are imposed every year. So, if somebody wants to build a coal powered plant they can, it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted. That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel, and other alternative energy approaches. The only thing that I've said, with respect to coal, I haven't been a coal booster, what I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a ideological matter as opposed to saying if technogy allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it. That I think is the right approach. The same with respect to nuclear. Right now, we don't know how to store nuclear waste wisely, and we don't know how to deal with some of the safety issues that remain, and so it's wildly expensive to pursue nuclear energy. I tell you what, if we could figure out how to store it safely, then I think most of us would say that might be a pretty good deal. The point is if we set rigorous standards for the allowable emissions, then we can allow the market to determine and technology and entrepreneurs to pursue what's the best approach to take, as opposed to us saying at the outset, here are the winners that we're picking, and maybe we pick wrong and maybe we pick right.

nolu_chan  posted on  2008-11-03   5:37:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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