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Title: Are Non Voters and Non McCain Voters Responsible if Obama is Elected?
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Published: Nov 3, 2008
Author: A K A Stone
Post Date: 2008-11-03 10:44:40 by Old Friend
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It is a simple question. Some people advocate not voting or voting third party. If you do that and Obama is elected and turns out to be a terrible dictator far worse then Bush. Are those people responsible for sitting on their hands and not voting? To a much lesser degree what about the thrid party voters. Would they have "wasted" their vote and come to regret it. Can we blame them for not voting McCain and at least trying to stop Obama. I suspect that if Obama is elected and these people who didn't vote may have some regret at some time in the future. Still undecided here. I guess I'll have to decide tomorrow.
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#41. To: Jethro Tull (#29)
I agree with you on states that have huge majorities either R or D. But what about a state like Ohio in which I reside? How did the R's boot you out of the party? If you are referring to no longer feeling welcome with their agenda and moving on then I understand and respect that 100 percent. I see your position on non voters not being responsible and I respect that. People have a right not to participate. I just wonder if some of them, you or others, may regret that someday if Obama turns our really really bad. Or the reverse question would also be fair if McCain were to be elected.
Eberle focused on a segment of the McCain speech that included the statement that “Relations with our southern neighbors must be governed by mutual respect, not by an imperial impulse or by anti-American demagoguery. The promise of North, Central, and South American life is too great for that. I believe the Americas can and must be the model for a new 21st century relationship between North and South. Ours can be the first completely democratic hemisphere, where trade is free across all borders, where the rule of law and the power of free markets advance the security and prosperity of all.” McCain’s strange rhetoric about “North, Central, and South American life” reflects a view that nation-states are disappearing and being replaced by regional alliances and institutions. He referred to “the powerful collective voice of the European Union,” as if the U.S. response would have to be submersion of our voice in a larger hemispheric entity. But McCain seems to be calling for something beyond even a North American Union (NAU) of the U.S., Mexico, and Canada. He talked about “creating the new international institutions necessary to advance the peace and freedoms we cherish,” as if they would be built on top of the EU and the NAU. Earlier, McCain had declared, “With globalization, our hemisphere has grown closer, more integrated, and more interdependent. Latin America today is increasingly vital to the fortunes of the United States. Americans north and south share a common geography and a common destiny.” But why should trade with America’s neighbors necessarily lead to a “common destiny?” This implies a political merger of the U.S. with other countries. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
You too.
What the cabal did in the Balkans was beyond disgusting. What they did on 911 shouldn't have been a surprise.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
The cartoon criticism is fair enough.
You too. I mean it.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
You really are considering voting for the cabal ?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
And you have the unmitated gall to post, and I quote: One of them is less evil. I believe that to be McCain. And you actually think you are making things better by voting for evil? Since when does less evil = good? This is unbelievable. How is it that things can actually improve by intentionally choosing someone because they arent as evil as the other person? It's still a downward slope. Have you been drinking already? You arent making sense here. If you think for 1 microsecond that I will let you blame me, or people like me, for the mess we are in, you are sadly mistaken. I dont care about playing nice when people attack, because I will hit back.
I think that I have Obama all figured out. Both his drooling fans and his biggest critics take him for more than what he really is. He's a tool and prop of the DNC, a new version Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, or Joe Biden who was picked to project an image of "innovation" and "change" on account of his youth and skin color, and to neutralize the anti-war wing of the Left with empty promises in the primaries. In fact, he's nothing new, he's just another party hack and (supposedly) charismatic mouthpiece for the special interests who back the Democrats. With Obama, we get a younger, blacker Ted Kennedy. With McCain, we get an older and crazier George W. Bush.
That's why I enjoy reading posted articles or posting articles I find on Obama - McCain is a known quantity but Obama is still buyer beware quantity. What you said there is what I find to be frightening about Obama. All the unknowns. This guy came out of nowhere. At least McCain things will stay pretty much the same. Are you all doing ok? With Obama who knows what the hell will happen. Who knows we could even be pleasantly surprised (I don't think that but you never know).
After one more trip to the 'banker' and then to the 'gunsmith', I plan to start. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
You too. I mean it. Me too. I should just move to the wilderness and forget about this shit. Just hunt, fish, farm and live.
Who the fuck are you to be questioning anybody on how they voted and if they feel guilty for voting as they did? It is easy to see you are still participating in our sham elections. Because of so many like you, our country is definitely finished for good. It will not and won't ever be returned to a country where freedom and liberty are the standard. Pea brains have played right into the hands of the opressors, the establishment, and they still hold these phoney elections every 4 years as a measurement tool to gauge how much control they continue to have. Thanks to you and millions just like you, the establishment is alive and well and probably will be so forevermore. That outta make you extremely happy.
In my desperation...yes....considering it.
If you have children, it's your best option. You just need to look a little higher than the 'candidates'. That's all. It's already over, save for the shooting and summer camps. Once you accept that reality, you and yours will be in better position to deal.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Ricky didn't I see a while back that you were going to vote for McCain because you thought he was a "lesser evil". I was surprised when you said that in the past and I mocked you for it. Now I am in your old boat.
I consider the Free Republic to be ground zero for the Republican party. I opposed NAFTA/GATT and was promptly shown the door by the free traders. As it turns out, I was right and they were wrong, yet they still cling to internationalism, interventionism and globalism.
Because of so many like you, our country is definitely finished for good. It will not and won't ever be returned to a country where freedom and liberty are the standard. Pea brains have played right into the hands of the opressors, the establishment, and they still hold these phoney elections every 4 years as a measurement tool to gauge how much control they continue to have. Thanks to you and millions just like you, the establishment is alive and well and probably will be so forevermore. That outta make you extremely happy. Ok you tell me who I am to question anyone. Then you say that because of me the country is finished for good. That is hypocritical LACUMO. It is definately not because of people like me that our country is finished if indeed it is finished. I am raising four children that have good values. That haven't spent a day in government school. They are the future. So don't go telling me it is my fault the country is in the shape it is in. If I was in charge there would be no UN. No GATT. No NAFTA. No war in Iraq. English would be the official language. Less laws to opress the people.
I am with you 100 percent on this globalist bullshit that you mentioned.
Classic - thanks.
I guess what I wrote went right over your head. Yes it is excatly because of you, your reasoning, and millions of other voters, we are forever screwed. If the sheople keep voting for the lesser of two evil candidates, we will never ever break the cycle we are in and the assholes in charge will continue to get bolder and bolder and more worse. There will come a time when those lovely children will want to know how we got to where we're at today in our country. Just be sure to tell them the truth. It doesn't matter who is on the ballot come tuesday. I can assure you if 100 million people wronte in Ron Paul's name or cast a vote for Chuck Baldwin, it would be the beginning of our restoration. But since we have brainless and balless voters, we can only expect more of the same. I read right on this thread where there are so many undecided voters and the election is tomorrow. If they haven't made up their mind as to who they want as president, they sure as fuck ought to be disqualified as legitmate voters. This is where we're at. Ain' it grand?????
If the sheople keep voting for the lesser of two evil candidates, we will never ever break the cycle we are in and the assholes in charge will continue to get bolder and bolder and more worse. There will come a time when those lovely children will want to know how we got to where we're at today in our country. Just be sure to tell them the truth. It doesn't matter who is on the ballot come tuesday. I can assure you if 100 million people wronte in Ron Paul's name or cast a vote for Chuck Baldwin, it would be the beginning of our restoration. But since we have brainless and balless voters, we can only expect more of the same. I read right on this thread where there are so many undecided voters and the election is tomorrow. If they haven't made up their mind as to who they want as president, they sure as fuck ought to be disqualified as legitmate voters. This is where we're at. Ain' it grand????? Your point is taken and imo it is a valid point.
He's a tool and prop of the DNC, a new version Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, or Joe Biden who was picked to project an image of "innovation" and "change" on account of his youth and skin color, and to neutralize the anti-war wing of the Left with empty promises in the primaries. In fact, he's nothing new, he's just another party hack and (supposedly) charismatic mouthpiece for the special interests who back the Democrats. With Obama, we get a younger, blacker Ted Kennedy. With McCain, we get an older and crazier George W. Bush. I'm not sure I agree with all you've said, particularly how you describe Obama - a party hack, a tool and prop of the DNC. McCain is similar to W if you mean nothing much will change from the way things are. As I read more about Obama's speeches and his positions, I'm not sure he is simply a party hack and tool. Obama has a very big ego, a very grand sense of his self-importance. Do you think Obama will just do as he is told by the DNC party movers and shakers? Right now he's playing ball - Rahm will be his Chief of Staff and possibly Dennis Ross will be his National Security Advisor, etc - because he wants the Dem Party's support to win the Oval Office. But after Obama doesn't need the support of the DNC machinery anymore, who knows. Obama had no hesitation previously to throw friends, mentors, and associates under the bus when he didn't need them anymore - eg. Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, Alice Palmer, Professor Rashid Khalidi... Sometimes being controlled is better than being a loose cannon.
What you say was just as true of Bill Clinton, who had a huge ego to feed and who did a lot more than just cut old friends and associates loose when he didn't need them - he had them killed. Still, Clinton remained a party hack in following the party line on economics and foreign policy. He could promote himself and boost his ego all he likes, but he still needs to remember who butters his bread: people like Marc Rich, George Soros, etc. That's why Obama will give Wall Street and AIPAC everything they want too. There won't be any more political surprises with him than there were with Clinton.
I have no doubt that the stupid voters are going to elect obanger tomorrow and alot of them are disenfranchised pubbiebots. My wife and I just rode up around Allegheny College, an area where there are alot of wealthy pubbies. The houses are out of our price range and I know for a fact most of them are pubby voters because I have the pubbie voter registration lists we used on behalf of Ron Paul. Guess what we saw a lot of and what we hardly saw at all? There were probably 45 obanger sicns and we only saw about 6 mcnutz signs. This might not mean anything to outsiders, but Meadville PA and Crawford County are staunch republican. AS Jethro correctly pointed out, the pubbie party alienated its base with the support they have given to comrade bush and his global pals and agenda. Stick a fork in them, they are done, even here in Meadville and Crawford County. Now if only there are enough voters to vote pedophil(e) English out to pasture. My prayers will be answered!
They're both as clear as the Council on Foreign Relations' / Trilateral Commission / Bilderberg agenda. The flavor of destruction to keep the worthless sheeple baying day to day isn't even that unclear. Buy ammo, food, rural land, water filtration, medical supplies and pray.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
There were probably 45 obanger sicns and we only saw about 6 mcnutz signs. This might not mean anything to outsiders, but Meadville PA and Crawford County are staunch republican. AS Jethro correctly pointed out, the pubbie party alienated its base with the support they have given to comrade bush and his global pals and agenda. Stick a fork in them, they are done, even here in Meadville and Crawford County. Property owning disenchanted Republicans voting leaning to vote for Obama are going to get a shockeroo when Obama is elected and implements his tax plan. See: www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=90049 "McCain v Obama on Taxes"
That's their problem. Some of them might just pay their fair share for a change. The powers that be really fixed this one for us. Some choice you pubbies and demonwits will have. I have a smile on my face knowing I will be writing in Ron Paul's name. I wish all of you could see me vote and check out the smile. One half of you dumb fucks will have a terrible day come tomorrow.
He was merely posing the question, not deeming the idea valid.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx Sarcasm noted. That's probably next on the agenda. I'm sure the boxcars with the shackles in them are already parked in strategic places.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx In re-reading the OP, I think you are right. Or at least there is room for doubt. I apologize. I shouldn't have said that.
I apologize. I shouldn't have said that. Your kool with me.
Still, Clinton remained a party hack in following the party line on economics and foreign policy. Clinton was 10 times smarter than Obama - that's an important difference.
OF, "The People" were buried with the bailout. The rest is theatre to float till the election. After which, everything will again be blamed on 'the people'. Neat little box of meat isn't it? Accountability falls on those trusted with the faith of those who voted, regardless of those who did not. JMHO.
No, it was the neo-con coolaid drinking brain dead republican base, which secured the nomination for McCain, that is responsible for Obummer's election.
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. McCain was resurrected from the dead by means no one I know understands. Other than vote fixing. Everyone I know hates is *ss. Despises him for his corruption, his treatment of POW/MIA families, his position on amnesty, his every stinking breath about campaign finance reform, which by the way whatever happened to the law about ads 60 days before elections? The money the corruption of it all, of all that he is, is PALE in comparison to the Obama disease. Not an endorsement but a fact. Invite a deadly hitchhiker into your car, and take your chances. That's the point this election is making. The media has elected the worst that we do not truly know, which gives them permission to take that as a starting point. A Trojan Horse none dare admit sits within the gates, waiting for the stupids to give it permission to attack.
I voted Ron Paul in the primaries. You gonna vote in the General? By the way I saw those pics you posted of your place and stuff the other day. Nice place.
Interesting theory.
No, it was the neo-con coolaid drinking brain dead republican base, We have a winner, folks.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
It's a fact. Tune in to any 'money show' and you will hear it.
What makes you think you are the only smart one here when it comes to casting a vote for President tomorrow? You seem to think it's a vote commitment when posters are debating the issues, when they argue the pro's and con's of the platforms, or when they play devil's advocate. Fyi, many if not most posters are here because they have an abiding interest in politics and current events as well as an affection for intellectual debate. I think you need to keep a more-open minded perspective on why people post articles or messages on threads about Obama and McCain rather than chastising or pretending to mind-read how posters will actually vote.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestWhy would anyone living in NJ, NY, CA, as examples, feel badly about not voting since the D wins by huge margins in those states any time an election is held? Also, since the Rs booted my ass out of the party years ago, why would I vote for them? A 3rd party vote makes no sense to me, but for those who feel compelled to vote, have at it. So to answer your question, no, non- voters aren't responsible for Obama. The country-club Republican Party is.
#42. To: Old Friend (#37)
#43. To: Rotara (#31)
Take care
#44. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#39)
Ain't blowback a bitch? Both the Clintonite and Neocon Zionists who supported the "liberation" of Kosovo have earned exactly what they deserve.
#45. To: christine (#38)
#46. To: Old Friend (#43)
Take care
#47. To: Old Friend (#42)
But McCain seems to be calling for something beyond even a North American Union (NAU) of the U.S., Mexico, and Canada. He talked about “creating the new international institutions necessary to advance the peace and freedoms we cherish,” as if they would be built on top of the EU and the NAU.
#48. To: Old Friend (#24)
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If you don't vote then you should shut up about it. You can't complain that your candidate didn't win. At least not in honesty. You also can't claim your vote was stolen as you didn't cast one. So what are you complaining about? Not voting puts you in the same category of TV zombies that just watch TV all day and don't do anything to make our country better. That is just my take on it don't get your panties all in a wad.
#49. To: scrapper2 (#40)
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But Obama is another kettle of fish. Finding information on his flaws and foibles takes quite a bit more work - there's not alot of federal Senate voting record on Obama. There's not alot of political activity even at the state level. We know little about his formative years except for what he chooses to reveal in his autiobiography. With Obama there's still a good deal to find out and we have only 1 day left.
#50. To: scrapper2 (#40)
But Obama is another kettle of fish. Finding information on his flaws and foibles takes quite a bit more work - there's not alot of federal Senate voting record on Obama. There's not alot of political activity even at the state level. We know little about his formative years except for what he chooses to reveal in his autiobiography. With Obama there's still a good deal to find out and we have only 1 day left.
#51. To: PSUSA (#48)
Have you been drinking already?
#52. To: Rotara (#46)
Take care
#53. To: Old Friend (#35)
I'm just questioning if some of them may regret it after the fact.
#54. To: Rotara (#47)
You really are considering voting for the cabal ?
#55. To: Old Friend (#52)
I should just move to the wilderness and forget about this shit. Just hunt, fish, farm and live.
#56. To: RickyJ (#1)
#57. To: Old Friend (#41)
How did the R's boot you out of the party?
#58. To: LACUMO (#53)
Who the fuck are you to be questioning anybody on how they voted and if they feel guilty for voting as they did? It is easy to see you are still participating in our sham elections.
#59. To: Jethro Tull (#57)
I consider the Free Republic to be ground zero for the Republican party. I opposed NAFTA/GATT and was promptly shown the door by the free traders. As it turns out, I was right and they were wrong, yet they still cling to internationalism, interventionism and globalism.
#60. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#49)
With Obama, we get a younger, blacker Ted Kennedy. With McCain, we get an older and crazier George W. Bush.
#61. To: Old Friend (#58)
I am raising four children that have good values. That haven't spent a day in government school. They are the future. So don't go telling me it is my fault the country is in the shape it is in. If I was in charge there would be no UN. No GATT. No NAFTA.
#62. To: LACUMO (#61)
I guess what I wrote went right over your head. Yes it is excatly because of you, your reasoning, and millions of other voters, we are forever screwed.
#63. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#49)
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I think that I have Obama all figured out. Both his drooling fans and his biggest critics take him for more than what he really is.
#64. To: scrapper2 (#63)
As I read more about Obama's speeches and his positions, I'm not sure he is simply a party hack and tool. Obama has a very big ego, a very grand sense of his self-importance. Do you think Obama will just do as he is told by the DNC party movers and shakers? Right now he's playing ball - Rahm will be his Chief of Staff and possibly Dennis Ross will be his National Security Advisor, etc - because he wants the Dem Party's support to win the Oval Office. But after Obama doesn't need the support of the DNC machinery anymore, who knows. Obama had no hesitation previously to throw friends, mentors, and associates under the bus when he didn't need them anymore - eg. Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, Alice Palmer, Professor Rashid Khalidi... Sometimes being controlled is better than being a loose cannon.
#65. To: scrapper2 (#63)
As I read more about Obama's speeches and his positions, I'm not sure he is simply a party hack and tool. Obama has a very big ego, a very grand sense of his self-importance. Do you think Obama will just do as he is told by the DNC party movers and shakers?
#66. To: scrapper2 (#40)
McCain is a known quantity but Obama is still buyer beware quantity.
#67. To: LACUMO (#65)
My wife and I just rode up around Allegheny College, an area where there are alot of wealthy pubbies. The houses are out of our price range and I know for a fact most of them are pubby voters because I have the pubbie voter registration lists we used on behalf of Ron Paul. Guess what we saw a lot of and what we hardly saw at all?
#68. To: scrapper2 (#67)
Property owning disenchanted Republicans voting leaning to vote for Obama are going to get a shockeroo when Obama is elected and implements his tax plan.
#69. To: PSUSA, OLD FRIEND (#10)
Fuck you for even suggesting it
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of its very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#70. To: LACUMO, ALL (#65)
Now if only there are enough voters to vote English out to pasture. My prayers will be answered!
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of its very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#71. To: IndieTX, Old Friend (#69)
He was merely posing the question, not deeming the idea valid.
#72. To: PSUSA (#71)
In re-reading the OP, I think you are right. Or at least there is room for doubt.
#73. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#64)
What you say was just as true of Bill Clinton, who had a huge ego to feed and who did a lot more than just cut old friends and associates loose when he didn't need them - he had them killed.
#74. To: Old Friend (#0)
#75. To: Old Friend (#0)
Are Non Voters and Non McCain Voters Responsible if Obama is Elected?
Body Art Cobleskill, NY
#76. To: Critter (#75)
No, it was the neo-con coolaid drinking brain dead republican base, which secured the nomination for McCain, that is responsible for Obummer's election.
#77. To: Critter (#75)
No, it was the neo-con coolaid drinking brain dead republican base, which secured the nomination for McCain, that is responsible for Obummer's election.
#78. To: OliviaFNewton (#74)
After which, everything will again be blamed on 'the people'.
#79. To: Critter (#75)
Are Non Voters and Non McCain Voters Responsible if Obama is Elected?
#80. To: Old Friend (#78)
Interesting theory.
#81. To: LACUMO, All (#68)
I have a smile on my face knowing I will be writing in Ron Paul's name. I wish all of you could see me vote and check out the smile. One half of you dumb fucks will have a terrible day come tomorrow.
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