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Title: Are Non Voters and Non McCain Voters Responsible if Obama is Elected?
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Published: Nov 3, 2008
Author: A K A Stone
Post Date: 2008-11-03 10:44:40 by Old Friend
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Views: 711
Comments: 89

It is a simple question. Some people advocate not voting or voting third party. If you do that and Obama is elected and turns out to be a terrible dictator far worse then Bush. Are those people responsible for sitting on their hands and not voting? To a much lesser degree what about the thrid party voters. Would they have "wasted" their vote and come to regret it. Can we blame them for not voting McCain and at least trying to stop Obama. I suspect that if Obama is elected and these people who didn't vote may have some regret at some time in the future. Still undecided here. I guess I'll have to decide tomorrow.

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#4. To: Old Friend (#0) (Edited)

Can we blame them for not voting McCain and at least trying to stop Obama. I suspect that if Obama is elected and these people who didn't vote may have some regret at some time in the future.

On the other hand: Can we blame them for not voting Obama and at least trying to stop McCain. I suspect that if McCain is elected and these people who didn't vote may have some regret at some time in the future.

But as I decline to participate in the lesser of the two evils approach to American presidential elections (a mere quarterback controversy every four years), I voted for Ron Paul and shall have a crystal clear conscious for the next four years.

wbales  posted on  2008-11-03   11:13:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Can we blame them for not voting Obama and at least trying to stop McCain.

The pre-destined policies of the cabal will NOT change over the next 4 years regardless which of their sock puppets they have selected to rule over us and usher in the final form of the North American Union.

The crisis is on the way.

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-03   11:52:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Can we blame them for not voting Obama and at least trying to stop McCain.

Either way, the question is a stupid one. It presumes that one candidate is in some way "better" than the other.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-11-03   12:14:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It presumes that one candidate is in some way "better" than the other.

Although you make general statements that both candidates are equally bad, you focus your actual criticisms only on McCain. Why is that?

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-03   12:24:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Although you make general statements that both candidates are equally bad, you focus your actual criticisms only on McCain. Why is that?

A few months ago, this forum was infested with Obamaphiles, and I spent most of the time arguing with them. They asked me the same question as you do, only in reverse, and accused me of being a McCain supporter.

Now that most of the Obamaphiles are gone (Ferret Mike is the only one I know of) and the forum is infested with McCain supporters, I naturally spend more time arguing with them. What's the point of arguing with people who don't post here any more?

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-11-03   12:26:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

A few months ago, this forum was infested with Obamaphiles, and I spent most of the time arguing with them. They asked me the same question as you do, only in reverse, and accused me of being a McCain supporter.

Now that most of the Obamaphiles are gone (Ferret Mike is the only one I know of) and the forum is infested with McCain supporters, I naturally spend more time arguing with them.

I'm not accusing you of anything. I was merely curious about why your general pronouncements did not match your actual criticisms of only one candidate.

I wasn't active on the forum several months ago when evidently Obamaphiles were posting here.

I have become more active on the forum this month, but I must say I don't see "an infestation" of McCain supporters.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-03   12:34:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm not accusing you of anything. I was merely curious about why your general pronouncements did not match your actual criticisms of only one candidate.

I wasn't active on the forum several months ago when evidently Obamaphiles were posting here.

I have become more active on the forum this month, but I must say I don't see "an infestation" of McCain supporters.

I've had mcKein's number for so long I'm not sure I haven't pummeled every treasonous position he holds at least 3 times. ;-)

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-03   12:37:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I've had mcKein's number for so long I'm not sure I haven't pummeled every treasonous position he holds at least 3 times. ;-)

That's very true. McCain is very transparent re: his flaws and foibles and anti-America voting positions and has been so for many years. With McCain what you see is what you get.

But Obama is another kettle of fish. Finding information on his flaws and foibles takes quite a bit more work - there's not alot of federal Senate voting record on Obama. There's not alot of political activity even at the state level. We know little about his formative years except for what he chooses to reveal in his autiobiography. With Obama there's still a good deal to find out and we have only 1 day left.

That's why I enjoy reading posted articles or posting articles I find on Obama - McCain is a known quantity but Obama is still buyer beware quantity.

We can say that both candidates are equally bad. But that's not quite fair to say, because we know much about McCain but little about Obama.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-03   12:53:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

But Obama is another kettle of fish. Finding information on his flaws and foibles takes quite a bit more work - there's not alot of federal Senate voting record on Obama. There's not alot of political activity even at the state level. We know little about his formative years except for what he chooses to reveal in his autiobiography. With Obama there's still a good deal to find out and we have only 1 day left.

I think that I have Obama all figured out. Both his drooling fans and his biggest critics take him for more than what he really is.

He's a tool and prop of the DNC, a new version Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, or Joe Biden who was picked to project an image of "innovation" and "change" on account of his youth and skin color, and to neutralize the anti-war wing of the Left with empty promises in the primaries. In fact, he's nothing new, he's just another party hack and (supposedly) charismatic mouthpiece for the special interests who back the Democrats.

With Obama, we get a younger, blacker Ted Kennedy. With McCain, we get an older and crazier George W. Bush.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-11-03   12:57:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I think that I have Obama all figured out. Both his drooling fans and his biggest critics take him for more than what he really is.

He's a tool and prop of the DNC, a new version Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, or Joe Biden who was picked to project an image of "innovation" and "change" on account of his youth and skin color, and to neutralize the anti-war wing of the Left with empty promises in the primaries. In fact, he's nothing new, he's just another party hack and (supposedly) charismatic mouthpiece for the special interests who back the Democrats.

With Obama, we get a younger, blacker Ted Kennedy. With McCain, we get an older and crazier George W. Bush.

I'm not sure I agree with all you've said, particularly how you describe Obama - a party hack, a tool and prop of the DNC.

McCain is similar to W if you mean nothing much will change from the way things are.

As I read more about Obama's speeches and his positions, I'm not sure he is simply a party hack and tool. Obama has a very big ego, a very grand sense of his self-importance. Do you think Obama will just do as he is told by the DNC party movers and shakers? Right now he's playing ball - Rahm will be his Chief of Staff and possibly Dennis Ross will be his National Security Advisor, etc - because he wants the Dem Party's support to win the Oval Office. But after Obama doesn't need the support of the DNC machinery anymore, who knows. Obama had no hesitation previously to throw friends, mentors, and associates under the bus when he didn't need them anymore - eg. Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, Alice Palmer, Professor Rashid Khalidi... Sometimes being controlled is better than being a loose cannon.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-03   13:40:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

As I read more about Obama's speeches and his positions, I'm not sure he is simply a party hack and tool. Obama has a very big ego, a very grand sense of his self-importance. Do you think Obama will just do as he is told by the DNC party movers and shakers?

I have no doubt that the stupid voters are going to elect obanger tomorrow and alot of them are disenfranchised pubbiebots. My wife and I just rode up around Allegheny College, an area where there are alot of wealthy pubbies. The houses are out of our price range and I know for a fact most of them are pubby voters because I have the pubbie voter registration lists we used on behalf of Ron Paul. Guess what we saw a lot of and what we hardly saw at all?

There were probably 45 obanger sicns and we only saw about 6 mcnutz signs. This might not mean anything to outsiders, but Meadville PA and Crawford County are staunch republican. AS Jethro correctly pointed out, the pubbie party alienated its base with the support they have given to comrade bush and his global pals and agenda. Stick a fork in them, they are done, even here in Meadville and Crawford County.

Now if only there are enough voters to vote pedophil(e) English out to pasture. My prayers will be answered!

LACUMO  posted on  2008-11-03   14:09:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

My wife and I just rode up around Allegheny College, an area where there are alot of wealthy pubbies. The houses are out of our price range and I know for a fact most of them are pubby voters because I have the pubbie voter registration lists we used on behalf of Ron Paul. Guess what we saw a lot of and what we hardly saw at all?

There were probably 45 obanger sicns and we only saw about 6 mcnutz signs. This might not mean anything to outsiders, but Meadville PA and Crawford County are staunch republican. AS Jethro correctly pointed out, the pubbie party alienated its base with the support they have given to comrade bush and his global pals and agenda. Stick a fork in them, they are done, even here in Meadville and Crawford County.

Property owning disenchanted Republicans voting leaning to vote for Obama are going to get a shockeroo when Obama is elected and implements his tax plan.

See:

www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=90049

"McCain v Obama on Taxes"

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-03   15:16:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Property owning disenchanted Republicans voting leaning to vote for Obama are going to get a shockeroo when Obama is elected and implements his tax plan.

That's their problem. Some of them might just pay their fair share for a change.

The powers that be really fixed this one for us. Some choice you pubbies and demonwits will have. I have a smile on my face knowing I will be writing in Ron Paul's name. I wish all of you could see me vote and check out the smile. One half of you dumb fucks will have a terrible day come tomorrow.

LACUMO  posted on  2008-11-03   15:24:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#81. To: LACUMO, All (#68)

I have a smile on my face knowing I will be writing in Ron Paul's name. I wish all of you could see me vote and check out the smile. One half of you dumb fucks will have a terrible day come tomorrow.

What makes you think you are the only smart one here when it comes to casting a vote for President tomorrow?

You seem to think it's a vote commitment when posters are debating the issues, when they argue the pro's and con's of the platforms, or when they play devil's advocate.

Fyi, many if not most posters are here because they have an abiding interest in politics and current events as well as an affection for intellectual debate.

I think you need to keep a more-open minded perspective on why people post articles or messages on threads about Obama and McCain rather than chastising or pretending to mind-read how posters will actually vote.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-04 00:35:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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