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Title: A Warning For America From South Africa
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.newswithviews.com/Stang/alan172.htm
Published: Nov 6, 2008
Author: Alan Stang
Post Date: 2008-11-06 10:08:22 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 429
Comments: 41

I read this warning on my daily radio talk show last week, before the election. It is even more relevant now, because the same thing that was imposed on South Africa – by the United States – is now happening here. So many people have asked for a copy of this message from a South African journalist that I post it here. My comments on her comments are in bold. Of course the parallels cannot be exact, but see whether you recognize any of this.

By Gemma Meyer (Gemma Meyer is the pseudonym of a South African journalist. She and her husband, a former conservative member of parliament, still reside in South Africa.)

People used to say that South Africa was 20 years behind the rest of the Western world. Television, for example, came late to South Africa (but so did pornography and the gay rights movement).

Today, however, South Africa may be the grim model of the future Western world, for events in America reveal trends chillingly similar to those that destroyed our country.

America's structures are Western. Your Congress, your lobbying groups, your free speech, and the way ordinary Americans either get involved or ignore politics are peculiarly Western, not the way most of the world operates. But the fact that only about a third of Americans deem it important to vote is horrifying in light of how close you are to losing your Western character.

Writing letters to the press, manning stands at county fairs, hosting fund-raising dinners, attending rallies, setting up conferences, writing your Congressman - that is what you know, and what you are comfortable with. Those are the political methods you've created for yourselves to keep your country on track and to ensure political accountability.

But woe to you if - or more likely, when - the rules change. White Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to cope with the new rules of the game - violence, mob riots, intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power from the haves - Americans, like others before them, will no doubt cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately their way of life.

That is exactly what happened in South Africa. I know, because I was there and I saw it happen.

South Africa used to be one of the most advanced nations on earth. Then Washington intervened.

Faced with revolution in the streets, strikes, civil unrest and the sheer terror and murder practiced by Nelson Mandela's African National Congress (ANC), the white government simply capitulated in order to achieve "peace."

Mandela was in jail for twenty seven years not because he was an innocent black man but because he was a Communist terrorist who said in court that he was planning to kill people with bombs. He could have been released at any time simply by renouncing terrorism. He refused.

Westerners need peace. They need order and stability. They are builders and planners. But what we got was the peace of the grave for our society.

The Third World is different - different peoples with different pasts and different cultures. Yet Westerners continue to mistake the psychology of the Third World and its peoples. Sierra Leone and Zimbabwe are perfect examples of those mistakes. Sierra Leone is in perpetual civil war, and Zimbabwe - once the thriving, stable Rhodesia - is looting the very people (the white men) who feed the country. Yet Westerners do not admit that the same kind of savagery could come to America when enough immigrants of the right type assert themselves. The fact is, Americans are sitting ducks for Third World exploitation of the Western conscience of compassion.

Those in the West who forced South Africa to surrender to the ANC and its leaders did not consider Africa to be the dangerous, corrupt, and savage place it is now in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Those Western politicians now have a similar problem looming on their own doorsteps: the demand for power and treasure from the non-Western peoples inside the realm.

Again, Washington forced Rhodesia into Communist hands. Rhodesia exported tons of food. Zimbabwe typically starves. Washington did this.

It is already too late for South Africa, but not for America if enough people strengthen their spine and take on the race terrorists, the armies of the "politically correct" and, most dangerous of all, the craven politicians who believe "compassionate conservatism" will buy them a few more votes, a few more days of peace.

White South Africans, you should remember, have been in that part of Africa for the same amount of time whites have inhabited North America; yet ultimately South Africans voted for their own suicide. We are not so very different from you.

South Africans voted for their own suicide. Did you?

We lost our country through skillful propaganda, pressure from abroad (not least from the U.S.A.), unrelenting charges of "oppression" and "racism," and the shrewd assessment by African tyrants that the white man has many Achilles' heels, the most significant of which are his compassion, his belief in the "equality of man," and his "love your neighbor" philosophy - none of which are part of the Third World's history.

See my recent piece – Before the Election: What You Must Do – about the deliberate cultivation of white guilt in the Communist government schools.

The mainline churches played a big role in the demise of Western influence throughout Africa, too; especially in South Africa. Today's tyrants were yesterday's mission-school protégés. Many dictators in Africa were men of the cloth. They knew their clerical collars would deflect criticism and obfuscate their real aims, which had nothing whatever to do with the "brotherhood of man."

Other tyrants, like the infamous Idi Amin, were trained and schooled by the whites themselves, at Oxford, Cambridge, and Harvard. After receiving the best from the West, they unleashed a resentful bloodlust against their benefactors.

From what I have seen and read thus far, I fear Americans will capitulate just as we did. Americans are, generally, a soft lot. They don't want to quarrel or obstruct the claims of those who believe they were wronged. They like peace and quiet, and they want to compromise and be nice.

A television program that aired in South Africa showed a town meeting somewhere in Southern California where people met to complain about falling standards in the schools. Whites who politely spoke at the meeting clearly resented the influx of Mexican immigrants into their community. When a handful of Chicanos at the back of the hall shouted and waved their hands at them, the whites simply shrunk back into their seats rather than tell the noisemakers to shut up. They didn't want to quarrel.

In America, the courts are still the final arbiters of society's laws. But what will happen when your future majority refuses to abide by court rulings - as in Zimbabwe. What will happen when the new majority says the judges are racists, and that they refuse to acknowledge "white man's justice"? What will happen when the courts are filled with their people, or their sympathizers? In California, Proposition 187 has already been overturned.

What will you do when the future non-white majority decides to change the names of streets and cities? What will you do when they no longer want to use money that carries the portraits of old, dead white "racists" and slave owners? Will you cave in, like you did on flying the Confederate flag? What about the national anthem? Your official language?

Don't laugh. When the "majority" took over in South Africa, the first targets were our national symbols.

In another generation, America may well face what Africa is now experiencing - invasions of private land by the "have-nots;" the decline in health care quality; roads and buildings in disrepair; the banishment of your history from the education of the young; the revolutionization of your justice system.

In South Africa today, only 9 percent of murderers end up in jail. Court dockets are regularly purchased and simply disappear. Magistrates can be bribed as can the prison authorities, making escapes commonplace. Vehicle and airplane licenses are regularly purchased, and forged school and university certificates are routine.

What would you think of the ritual slaughter of animals in your neighbor's backyard? How do you clean up the blood and entrails that litter your suburban streets? How do you feel about the practice of witchcraft, in which the parts of young girls and boys are needed for "medicinal" purposes? How do you react to the burning of witches?

Don't laugh. All that is quite common in South Africa today.

Don't imagine that government officials caught with their fingers in the till will be punished. Excuses - like the need to overcome generations of white racism - will be found to exonerate the guilty.

In fact, known criminals will be voted into office because of a racial solidarity among the majority that doesn't exist among the whites. When Ian Smith of the old Rhodesia tried to stand up to the world, white South African politicians were among the Westerners pressuring him to surrender.

When Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe murders his political opponents, ignores unfavorable court decisions, terrorizes the population and siphons off millions from the state treasury for himself and his friends, South Africa's new President Thabo Mbeki holds his hand and declares his support. That just happened a few weeks ago.

Your tax dollars will go to those who don't earn and don't pay. In South Africa, organizations that used to have access to state funds such as old age homes, the arts, and veterans' services, are simply abandoned.

What will happen is that Western structures in America will be either destroyed from without, or transformed from within, used to suit the goals of the new rulers. And they will reign either through terror, as in Zimbabwe today, or exert other corrupt pressures to obtain, or buy votes. Once power is in the hands of aliens, don't expect loyalty or devotion to principle from those whose jobs are at stake. One of the most surprising and tragic components of the disaster in South Africa is how many previously anti-ANC whites simply moved to the other side.

Once you lose social, cultural, and political dominance, there is no getting it back again.

Please note. Once it’s gone, it’s gone. Whatever you do later, however hard you fight, you cannot get it back.

Unfortunately, your habits and values work against you. You cannot fight terror and street mobs with letters to your Congressmen. You cannot fight accusations of racism with prayer meetings. You cannot appeal to the goodness of your fellow man when the fellow man despises you for your weaknesses and hacks off the arms and legs of his political opponents.

To survive, Americans must never lose the power they now enjoy to people from alien cultures. Above all, don't put yourselves to the test of fighting only when your backs are against the wall. You will probably fail.

Millions around the world want your good life. But make no mistake: They care not for the high-minded ideals of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, and your Constitution. What they want are your possessions, your power, and your status.

And they already know that their allies among you, the "human rights activists," the skillful lawyers and the left-wing politicians will fight for them, and not for you. They will exploit your compassion and your Christian charity, and your good will.

They have studied you, Mr. and Mrs. America, and they know your weaknesses well.

They know what to do.

Do you?

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#1. To: christine (#0)

"South Africa used to be one of the most advanced nations on earth. Then Washington intervened."

Under the yoke, whip and forced internal exile and dis-empowerment of the majority of South African people for arbitrary reasons such as race and culture, this statement is not only false, it is a farce.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-11-06   10:13:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ferret Mike (#1)

Don't force me to post before and after pictures there were legit reasons for separating the races I know this is politically incorrect but the facts on the ground prove that point...unlike when whites ruled there were no charges of genocide as is the case today against the Afrikaans farmers...you are a smart guy but have you ever been there?

robnoel  posted on  2008-11-06   10:20:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: robnoel (#2)

You can post until the sun goes nova and that won't change anything. I understand well why and in what way Apartheid was fascism and evil.

Half baked propaganda from Afrikaners as to why they let their bigotry, greed and hate get the better of them might be emotionally good a smoke screen, but the facts concerning the crime Apartheid is is well defined, understood, and incontrovertible.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-11-06   10:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ferret Mike (#3)

Let me repeat my question ...ever been there?

robnoel  posted on  2008-11-06   10:32:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: robnoel (#4)

That is a rhetorical question I already answered once before. I have studied the country very deeply, wrote several papers concerning the country when getting my degree and came to know many South Africans in working as an activist in the Eugene Free South Africa organization here in Eugene, Oregon.

I have better then a taste of the entrée you are hawking, and when an egg is rotten, you but need a taste; you don't have to eat the whole thing.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-11-06   10:49:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Ferret Mike, robnoel (#1)

It's interesting that the article claimed Mandela stated in court his willingness to kill to further his ends. Is it true? If true, is it acceptable? One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

My experience here in Ecuador has been that there is some truth and justification in differences between ethnicities. About 1/3rd of the country is indian. They grow most of the food here. They are not violent and deserve respect. Outside the city I've found them very friendly. Within their communities (in the more remote country) they have their own justice system. Their morals (I'm told but have not experienced) are to work hard, don't lie, and don't cheat. (That doesn't seem to apply in the cities, though cities are generally not indigenous). Those who do are punished in their communities in ways that would pass as inhumane in the states. Though it's probably at the level US conservatives would cheer.

Still, the ethnic differences between them and us of european decent can't be ignored. Honestly, there seems a difference in intelligence as it seems their average IQ is noticably lower. (That a few hundred spanish soldiers was able to end the Incan empire supports that notion) Cultural differences can't be ignored either. They are people entitled to their land, their identity and way of life. But they are different. I like them and appreciate them, but since coming here I've become even less PC in terms of race than I was in the states where I was already acknowledging the differences between whites and blacks beyond skin and hair. That physical differences would extend from that to facial/skull features and not be inherent in the brain is not logical to me. The fact that blacks in general prefer syncopated music (rap?) much more than whites do is evidence to me of a brain difference right there.

And if that's one brain difference, why shouldn't there be more?

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-11-06   11:07:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pinguinite (#6)

The fact that blacks in general prefer syncopated music (rap?) much more than whites do is evidence to me of a brain difference right there.

I have to throw a wrench in right there. Most rap is sold to white kids, not blacks. Mainly because there are more white kids than black kids. White people love rap too. I love my Beastie Boys and Cypress Hill.

A to the K

echo5sierra  posted on  2008-11-06   11:10:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: echo5sierra (#7)

I have to throw a wrench in right there. Most rap is sold to white kids, not blacks

There is some rap type music I like too. Some. I did say that blacks like rap *more* than whites. I didn't say all rap fans are black. But I'm sticking to the notion that blacks like it more than whites.

Do more whites buy rap? Maybe, but what are the percentage of blacks that buy compared to the percentage of whites?

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-11-06   11:15:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Ferret Mike (#5)

I rest my case ....you are having a Palin moment....she is a expert on Russia like you are a expert on SA

robnoel  posted on  2008-11-06   11:19:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Pinguinite (#8)

I don't know, but if we assume that black kids are less in number than white kids, the answer is probably a little bit more white kids buy rap than black kids.

In the corps, everyone in the barracks listened to rap, no matter what the color.

echo5sierra  posted on  2008-11-06   11:42:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Ferret Mike (#3)

but the facts concerning the crime Apartheid is is well defined, understood, and incontrovertible.

Two questions, Mike:

a. I'll grant you that Apartheid was by and large an evil political philosophy there just as Segregation was here but in reality terms, is Black Rule with all the violence on the streets, corruption, greed, etc an improvement over Apartheid rule for the ordinary blacks? I seem to recall reading that at least under Apartheid Afrikaner rule, blacks had their basic needs taken care of by the Africaners with regards to public safety, housing, education, medical care. Does Black Rule ensure that even those very basic things are available for ordinary South Africans?

b. a) Would you say Israelis are practicing Apartheid rule regarding the Palestinians and b) would you describe Israelis as harshly as you do Afrikaners?

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-06   11:50:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Ferret Mike (#5) (Edited)

Evidently, you didn't study South Africa deeply enough to learn how its GDP nosedived when it transitioned from White Afrikaner to black rule. It went from being a first world country on a dark continent to typical third world rot almost overnight.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-11-06   12:05:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Ferret Mike, robnoel (#5)

That is a rhetorical question I already answered once before. I have studied the country very deeply, wrote several papers concerning the country when getting my degree and came to know many South Africans in working as an activist in the Eugene Free South Africa organization here in Eugene, Oregon.

I have better then a taste of the entrée you are hawking, and when an egg is rotten, you but need a taste; you don't have to eat the whole thing.

Once again you prove yourself to be an idiot, ridiculous and laughable.

I think robnoel actually LIVED in SA. Perhaps he knows better.

I have spent time in West Africa. Maybe those of us that have really spent time in Africa know better about Africa and Africans.

Lady X  posted on  2008-11-06   12:40:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Lady X (#13)

Dear Lady X:

Are you attempting to equate real life experience with academic study at the Eugene Free South Africa organization, in Eugene, Oregon?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-11-06   12:50:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

Yeah, I guess real life doesn't count when you've attended the Eugene Academy of Marxism..

Lady X  posted on  2008-11-06   12:52:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Lady X (#13)

I have spent time in West Africa.

How dare you compare boots on the ground in Africa with what someone wrote in a book??? What nerve, what temerity, utter gall.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-06   12:53:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: scrapper2 (#11)

The difference between South Africa and Israel is that South Africa was a much more reliable ally in the fight against Communism than Israel ever was. There never was a South African Jonathan Pollard, and the South Africans never sold our secrets to the Soviets in exchange for more immigrants.

Otherwise, both were apartheid states, the only difference is that liberal Democrats and neoconservatives make every excuse for Israel while making South Africa sound like a worse nation than Mao's China or Pol Pot's Cambodia.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-11-06   12:55:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Pinguinite (#6)

Still, the ethnic differences between them and us of european decent can't be ignored. Honestly, there seems a difference in intelligence as it seems their average IQ is noticably lower. (That a few hundred spanish soldiers was able to end the Incan empire supports that notion) Cultural differences can't be ignored either. They are people entitled to their land, their identity and way of life. But they are different.

that's incontrovertible. have you ever seen the chart of average IQs by nations?

here

scroll down to view the chart

christine  posted on  2008-11-06   12:58:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom (#16)

Yeah, you better call in an airstrike as soon as possible..

Lady X  posted on  2008-11-06   12:58:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Lady X (#19)

I understand that the Tel Aviv hotline into Obamas Senate office was installed today.

Their line into the Oval Office has been downgraded to a, "dont call us, we will call you" one way line.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-06   13:01:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Lady X (#15)

Ironic but Eugene is a Afrikaans name

Eugène Ney Terre'Blanche (born January 31, 1941) is a Boer-Afrikaner who founded the white supremacist Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging during the apartheid era in South Africa. Terre'Blanche remains leader of the recently reactivated AWB and continues to push for an Afrikaner secessionist state within South Africa.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Terreblanche

robnoel  posted on  2008-11-06   13:01:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Ferret Mike (#1)

Ha ha! You still have your lips on a Black Panther Marxist and you call something a farce. LOL

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-06   13:02:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Rupert_Pupkin, All (#17)

The difference between South Africa and Israel is that South Africa was a much more reliable ally in the fight against Communism than Israel ever was. There never was a South African Jonathan Pollard, and the South Africans never sold our secrets to the Soviets in exchange for more immigrants.

Otherwise, both were apartheid states, the only difference is that liberal Democrats and neoconservatives make every excuse for Israel while making South Africa sound like a worse nation than Mao's China or Pol Pot's Cambodia.

Well said, RP. Bump for others to read.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-06   13:03:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: robnoel (#21)

More irony--TerreBlanche means white earth in French..

Lady X  posted on  2008-11-06   13:05:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Pinguinite (#6)

It's interesting that the article claimed Mandela stated in court his willingness to kill to further his ends. Is it true? If true, is it acceptable? One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

The original Black Panther Marxist ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-06   13:06:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Rotara (#25)

Hey you got one right :-)

robnoel  posted on  2008-11-06   13:12:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: robnoel (#26)

Hey you got one right :-)

hehehe

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-06   13:13:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: christine (#0)

Big differences between South Africa and America.

Africans have genetic IQs of 70. American blacks have 85 IQs, making them simple morons instead of being just downright retarded. It's still a big difference.

American blacks make up about 11% of the population, far less than in South Africa.

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Turtle  posted on  2008-11-06   20:04:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Pinguinite (#6)

Honestly, there seems a difference in intelligence as it seems their average IQ is noticably lower. (That a few hundred spanish soldiers was able to end the Incan empire supports that notion) Cultural differences can't be ignored either. They are people entitled to their land, their identity and way of life. But they are

I have spoken to folks who should know, Peace Corp workers etc. v.this issue in Guatemala, and they thought the minimal diet would account for a lot of this.

Now I remember - Guat did a experiment to see how vitamins would effect campasino children, so they gave two control groups a set amount of refrescos, one vitamin enriched, the other nothing but the flavored sugar water. And then measured a variety of physical and mental parameters.

The Guatemalan government was embarresed to discover the vitamins did little, but the calories provided to the children by the soft drinks, boosted their facilities a lot. They were hungry.

It is an important and controversial subject, as you know.

I have as I am sure you have, seen, what seems from our POV, terrible family practices by both the indigenous and mestizo population.

My Spanish professor claimed some of the indigs would intentionally mutilate a child in order to have him be a more effective beggar.

From what I saw in the mean streets of Guatemala City - well I can't dis believe it.

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tom007  posted on  2008-11-06   20:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Pinguinite (#6)

How's your Queche coming along?

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tom007  posted on  2008-11-06   20:29:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: echo5sierra (#10)

In the corps, everyone in the barracks listened to rap, no matter what the color.

When I was in the Army, living in the barracks, we all listened to rap.

In my case, I wished I had a choice.

To the present, any time you're either at home and the windows start to rattle in even beats, the sonic emitting car that comes down the road soon after is driven by who? Answer: A black guy.

Ditto when you're on the road only to have your pleasant music drowned out by some similar sonic emitting vehicle 3 cars behind yours. And what color is the guy driving it? Answer: Black. I have nothing against their musical tastes, though I certainly do take issue when it invades my turf.

But it's their thing. It's what they like, and they like it more than whites. I'm holding my ground on that one.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-11-06   21:50:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: christine (#18)

I think I have seen that, but thanks for the reminder. Ecuador rings in at 80. For me that's easy to believe.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-11-06   21:53:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: christine, old friend, jethro tull (#0) (Edited)

White Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to cope with the new rules of the game - violence, mob riots, intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power from the haves - Americans, like others before them, will no doubt cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately their way of life.

Bump it for more discussion

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IndieTX  posted on  2008-11-06   21:56:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: IndieTX (#33)

violence, mob riots, intimidation through accusations of racism,

I'm ready. They can bring it on. No more Mr. Nice guy. Oh yeah I was never Mr. Nice guy. I guess even meaner is a better description.

No Mercy for the bad if they want it.

No Mercy for the bad if they plead

Inject the Venom

Old Friend  posted on  2008-11-06   21:58:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Rotara (#25)

The original Black Panther Marxist ?

Was he? Could be but not knowing the guy, it's hard to judge.

You know, I think communism has a foothold in South America not because they oppose true capitalism, but because they oppose the version of it that's commonly here. That is, capitalism that's tied to corruption. That would be the kind that are set up puppet style by DC.

That version takes advantage of the sitting powers, bribing them to exploit the countries resources. "Capitalists" corporations move in, often just destroying the land much to the detriment of the inhabitants who have no legal recourse. Next thing you know they get this attitude like they matter and start condemning "capitalist greed" and demanding their fair share.

And the only thing they know of that will grant them their fair share is communism.

How does one tell them they are wrong?

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-11-06   22:02:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: tom007 (#29)

I have spoken to folks who should know, Peace Corp workers etc. v.this issue in Guatemala, and they thought the minimal diet would account for a lot of this.

It could be, but I don't think that's the only factor to look at.

I think when a certain people are largely just food growers, they don't need to learn algebra, trigonometry, or study classic literature. What they need to learn is how to grow crops that deliver kick-ass loads of produce. I think if you go about your life, if your immediate ancestors did only that, then you're less likely to be equipped with brain power to do much beyond that.

Diets world over vary widely, and such various peoples have adapted to their available foods quite efficiently. Eskomo's eat tons of meat and little veggies or grains and that's what works for them. Orientals eat lots of rice. That's pretty much normal for both groups. There is no diet that's perfect for all people.

My Spanish professor claimed some of the indigs would intentionally mutilate a child in order to have him be a more effective beggar.

I can believe that, unfortunately. Though I wouldn't expect to see that happen well outside the cities. The remote communities are respectable.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-11-06   22:12:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: tom007 (#30)

How's your Queche coming along?

That's a language, right?

I think wawa means babe, and yacu means river.

You now know as much or more than I do.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-11-06   22:13:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: christine (#0)

From what I have seen and read thus far, I fear Americans will capitulate just as we did. Americans are, generally, a soft lot. They don't want to quarrel or obstruct the claims of those who believe they were wronged. They like peace and quiet, and they want to compromise and be nice.

Not all of us want to "compromise and be nice." I have never been "politically correct" and don't intend to start just because an illegal alien who happens to be half black, or some part black, is alleged to be the President. He's not my President and never will be.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-11-06   22:48:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Lady X (#13)

Once again you prove yourself to be an idiot, ridiculous and laughable.

I think robnoel actually LIVED in SA. Perhaps he knows better.

I have spent time in West Africa. Maybe those of us that have really spent time in Africa know better about Africa and Africans.

You do understand that simply being there and spending time there will never equal studying about it a little in the People's Glorious Republic of Eugene, Oregon, don't you? No. You could have spent many years there and never know what the geniuses there in Moscow West know.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-11-06   22:54:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Cynicom, Lady X (#16)

How dare you compare boots on the ground in Africa with what someone wrote in a book??? What nerve, what temerity, utter gall.

I sure am glad I don't have her nerve in my tooth. ;^)

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-11-06   22:56:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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