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Title: In Fort Worth, Obama's election prompts run on guns and ammunition
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Fort Worth Star-Telegram
URL Source: http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/1024036.html
Published: Nov 7, 2008
Author: Anna Tinsley
Post Date: 2008-11-07 18:10:11 by X-15
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Views: 665
Comments: 34
FORT WORTH — Allan Craig is scared for the country and for himself. So less than 48 hours after Democrat Barack Obama was elected president, Craig went out to buy an M-4 rifle. "It’s for protection," the 57-year-old funeral director from Weatherford said. "I’m fearful for our country. I think there will be violence. People want to go in and take over this country .34;.34;. trying to destroy America. "I will protect myself and my family." Craig is part of a wave of people nationwide who, even before the election, began stocking up on guns and ammunition amid fear that Obama might put new gun restrictions in place after he takes office Jan. 20. Obama has said he respects the constitutional right to bear arms but said last year that he wants to restore the ban on assault weapons. The buyers are increasing demand for guns and ammo, swamping stores and causing prices to rise. Law enforcement officials and Obama supporters say fears about unprovoked violence against Americans, from outside and within, are overblown. And they definitely see no legitimate need for people to rush out and buy weapons. "People have had all this time to buy whatever they wanted since the assault-weapons ban expired," said Tarrant County Constable Sergio DeLeon, an Obama supporter. "There’s no legislation in place prohibiting them from that. I think a lot of fear has been built up by right-wing radio. "There’s nothing to suggest that Barack Obama and the new administration would generate any cause for security concerns for the people of this country." Craig said he’s heard all that and still wants to stock up, and he expects to have a lot of company from others unhappy with the results of the election. "I’m in a state of mourning for our country," Craig said. Presidential politics Obama’s Web site says he "believes the Second Amendment creates an individual right, and he respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport and use guns." Obama also said last year, after more than three dozen Chicago children had been killed, that the government needs to reinstate an assault-weapons ban. And he has indicated that he supports some "common-sense" restrictions. Some gun owners say they are worried that Obama and Congress, controlled by Democrats, will easily pass a new assault-weapons ban or other restrictions. Some predicted that Obama would take gun owners’ guns away or put them out of reach by drastically increasing taxes on them. "He’s not like [President] Bush and [Vice President Dick] Cheney," said Darla Hoag of Callahan County, who was shopping at a local gun store with her husband Thursday. "They were hunters. 34;.34;.34;.34; I feel [Obama] doesn’t have a clue." Mark Greene, a hunter and member of Gun Owners for Obama, believes people don’t need to be worried. "If people want to be afraid of something, they are going to be afraid," said Greene, who helped run Obama’s grassroots campaign in Tarrant County. "It’s just going to take time for him to be in office and show he’s not going to take rights away." Ben Agger said he’s concerned, though, about what is prompting fear in gun owners. "What is the underlying motivation .34;.34;. to buy assault weapons?" asked Agger, a sociology and humanities professor at the University of Texas at Arlington who wrote There Is a Gunman on Campus: Tragedy and Terror at Virginia Tech. "Part of me worries this is an expression of the need for people who disagree with Obama to arm themselves because they entertain the thought that there could be armed conflict or possibly race war." Widespread fears But gun owners have taken the president-elect’s statements and other political talk in recent months to mean Obama might seek a nationwide prohibition on concealed-carry licenses and possibly a huge increase in the federal excise tax on guns and ammunition, said Jim Dark, executive director at the Addison-based Texas State Rifle Association. And there’s a fear that new restrictions may hurt hunters. "Hunting is already outrageously expensive in Texas because you have to lease land," Dark said. "Then you look at a massive increase in taxes, and you’re going to price people out of the hobby. "The disaster that will bring — and we’re already seeing a decline in hunting licenses — is that fewer proceeds will be available to fund wildlife conservation in Texas." Dark and others at the association said they are fielding concerns from members worried about their rights being stripped and waiting to see what recounts in races in both Congress and the Texas Legislature bring. "We’re in a wait-and-see mode," Dark said. Buying guns No matter how you look at it, DeWayne Irwin has seen gun and ammunition sales at his Cheaper Than Dirt! gun shop dramatically rise in recent weeks. Until this year, his biggest day of sales was 9-11, when he sold about $52,000 of merchandise. On Wednesday, the day after the election, his store sold $101,000. And in the past 36 days — as polls pointed toward an Obama victory — the store hit $1 million in sales. "We last saw this when the assault-weapons ban came through the first time in the early 1990s," Irwin said. "We’ve been planning for it for the last three to four months, stocking inventory. "You figure you know what’s going to happen when you get a Democrat in the White House," Irwin said. "People are anticipating an assault-weapons ban." On Thursday, about 30 people were waiting outside when he opened his doors. Stock is flying off his shelves, everything from assault weapons to ammunition, and the prices he’s being quoted from distributors are rising, which means he’s having to up his prices. "We’re running out," Irwin said. "I’ve bought more." Four weeks ago, he said he paid $209 for an AK-47. This week, that same gun cost him $549. Even the price of bullets is rising, from $4.59 a box to $9.97. "It’s panic-buying," said Tom Hoag, Darla’s husband, who was shopping for ammunition Thursday. "This is gasoline all over again, just with ammunition. "I’m frustrated. Hopefully I have enough to last until we have a new president." It’s panic-buying. This is gasoline all over again, just with ammunition." -Tom Hoag, who was shopping for ammo. ANNA M. TINSLEY, 817-390-7610 Poster's comment: I just reamed-out an editor for the story writer parroting the "official" Obummer position on the Second Amendment. The editor said that the issue was dead until Obama said something in his official capacity as POTUS. I said that the story writer had to know better considering his multi-year record on voting against guns and gun-owners and sent this link to him: www.marketwatch.com/news/...BF93012A473E%7D&dist=hppr Bottom line: the MSM are lying bastards.
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#1. To: X-15, HOUNDDAWG (#0)
Where is Hound????
The price of a .50 cal is now 10K...tripled in two weeks. Of course, all of my guns, ammo and metals were stolen by some wetbacks in a low rider with fuzzy dice hanging from the rearview mirror long ago.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx The founders knew their enemy and they pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to defeat them. Americans have the guns but lack the will to risk all to reclaim our freedom. They'll just bury their guns and grumble in whispers until such time as future technology allows the govt to locate the hidden weapons or they rust away, which ever comes first. I don't believe that there are enough Americans willing to risk all to restore the constitution. Those who tell themselves that they're hiding the weapons "until the plan is in place" are kidding themselves. Any such planning would be monitored from day one, and 1 out of every 3 Americans is a rodent waiting to snitch. Without the political will and the courage to resist from DAY ONE the guns are useless. Most Americans will cringe and watch as a few brave souls try to organize and resist, and we'll peek out as they too are given WACO THERAPY by The Delta Force. Of course to venture out there and join the struggle with our own firearms would be the way to win. But, someone could get hurt! Meanwhile the NRA will be trying to broker some compromise for hunters to retrieve their guns from govt vaults on "liberty passes" for hunting trips. The NRA and their well heeled lobbyists will be satisfied with that "interpretation" of the 2nd amendment. "...The right of the *people to hunt ducks shall not be infringed...." *people being defined as "Members of The National Guard and others who are current dues paying members of a nationally recognized rifle association that is chartered by congress...."
Yeeeeaaaahh, that's the ticket ... uhhh yeah, me too ... sorry officer, no guns here ... move along now and have a good day ! Bang !
Where's your birth certificate Barack ? Where's your Granny ??? Are Americans expected to subject themselves to an unapologetic communist ??? Ya just gotta be shittin me !!!
The Pied Piper of Pimp-dom, sang to the unwashed masses Got hisself elected, Americans need some glasses Oh say can you see, the murderer at your door The ashkenazi murderer always seeking more Now guns are selling quickly, from gunshops far and near And rightly so if you ask me, this Fuhrer we should fear There's a facist in the White House, and a Commie lookin in a hundred Jews are droolin, for the revolution to begin Now comes Rahm Emmanuel, son of an Irgun whore to take your sons and daughters, send em off to war thieving your tax dollars, and investing them offshore But you'll not notice any of this until it's far too late your kids are dead and buried and you whimper towards your fate you won't need that silver, you won't need that gun all you'll need are tennis shoes so that you can run before there was Rahm, there was a Jew named Axelrod A crime spree in full operation, FEMA gets the nod Chertoff, another Jew, bloodlust in his soul mounting up an army, total RFID control make your bed and get some sleep, you're gonna need some rest these neo-fascist-commies will put you to the test And if by chance we pass it, our motivations being true we'll purify this nation of the ever killing Jew.
Where's your birth certificate Barack ? Where's your Granny ??? Are Americans expected to subject themselves to an unapologetic communist ??? Ya just gotta be shittin me !!!
I disagree, but time will tell. Organizing is a mistake, IMO. It gives them a nice juicy fat target. But a nation of prepared and motivated "lone wolves" or very small groups would be unstoppable.
That's the only thing I disagree with in your post. I'd say the ratio is more like 999 out of 1,000.
Then surrender already. Put that white flag by your door, ready to use, and maybe they will let you live. Bend over and take it just like Mr Slave, or fight. I dont care what other people do. Everyone has to make their own choice. I can see where a few people have already decided before things have even gotten bad. It's sad, really. People want freedom, but they arent willing to accept the probability that they are going to die for it, so others (kids, mostly) wont have to die for it later on. We are giving kids lifetimes of debt and slavery. I am sure they will appreciate that. Maybe we are in worse shape than I thought.
10 million militias of one.
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. Yes. This is one of the reasons I don't fear confiscation. People don't buy M4's or M1a's or Ak's to hunt with. Our government might be evil, but they aren't stupid. The gunstore I go to would sell about 10-15 bushmasters per week, every week. I asked them, and I have no reason to believe they lied. That does not include other "assault weapons". THis does not include the other stores in my area that sell these same weapons. This does not include private sales. Try and confiscate them from people that bought them for that eventuality, and bad things will happen to those doing the confiscating. That is a lot of weapons out there. If I was a dictator type, or just a thug punk cop for that matter, the thought of having millions of individuals opposing me with deadly force would give me nightmares. The spicy-hot-mexican-food-big-dinner-after-a-very-bad-day kind of nightmares.
When I taught school I always punished the tattle-tail.. I think I did the right thing..
HD and Esso aren't talking about us. they're talking about the average american out there who is totally clueless. look around your neighborhood (assuming you're in suburbia). how many do you think have any idea what's going on? i do have to say, however, it's encouraging to know that gun and ammo sales have skyrocketed.
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japanese Navy) "GENEVA (Reuters) - The United States has 90 guns for every 100 citizens, making it the most heavily armed society in the world, a report released on Tuesday said. U.S. citizens own 270 million of the world's 875 million known firearms, according to the Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies... On a per-capita basis, Yemen had the second most heavily armed citizenry behind the United States, with 61 guns per 100 people, followed by Finland with 56, Switzerland with 46, Iraq with 39 and Serbia with 38..."
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
I recently found a nice range on state land around here. Last week I practiced my head shots at 200 yards. I went 20 for 20 rapid firing. Next week, I'll try 300 yards. As an aside, anyone who believes Lon Horiuchi didn't see or know that he hit Vickie Weaver is a buffoon. Looking through quality glass at 200 yards, at 10X magnification, with overcast skies, late in the day, I could see clearly what I was aiming at and hitting. :) I hadn't shot in 4 years, yet I could not miss by as much as that trained and practiced FBI thug says he missed, even if I tried.
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. Will you punish me? Please?!
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. Lon Horiuchi is alive and well living in Virginia.
How can we know? I've thought about that. I think about a lot when I am driving. I wonder how many out there know about this. We see people going here and there like a normal day, and think that they dont have a clue because they arent doing... something... to let us know they are aware. What can they do to let us know? Well, I go here and there, take care of daily business, same as every one of you, and same as everyone else. We all tend to think that if one is not hunkered down in a bunker, ot talking about this 24/7/365, they arent aware. IMO that is a big mistake. But it's another illusion that TPTB have a vested interest in maintaining because it keeps us demoralized and isolated. How many hits does this site get, versus how many make posts? IIRC, you have a rather high alexa rank, and this is just 1 site.
I went 20 for 20 rapid firing. Really? Remind me not to get on your Bad Side! THat is some good shooting, expecially after not shooting for 4+ years.
Well, I did have good equipment. lol That was shooting off the hood of my truck on a bipod. Off hand with a lesser rifle, I don't think I could do it. I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. a lot of hits compared to the # of posts. also, i get several new registrants a week but few of those actually post. we have a large patriot community here in Austin, but in my neighborhood, there were quite a few obama yard signs and driving around, i see quite a few obama bumper stickers.
Varminter? I though about getting one of them. They are nice. So many weapons, so little money...
Well then, CHEER UP! ;-) You're making a difference. Besides, the smart ones probably wont post.
I got it about 6 or 7 years ago off of gunbroker.com, for the low low price of $1100, fully set up with a Leupold VXIII 4.5-14 mil dot tactical. Heaven only knows how I got it so cheap. No one bid on it but me. I figured out that it must have cost the guy about $2500 to put it together, and then he pawned it. The seller was a pawn shop. I immediately yanked the Leupold and put it on my .308, and now I am using a 2.5-10X Burris Signature on it. If you don't own one of these, beg borrow or steal to put one together. If you already have an AR15, then just get a varmint upper for it and put decent glass on it. Good glass makes a big difference. With a decent set up, one could easily make minced meat out of a squad sized unit at 300 yards before they even know where you're at. ;)
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. You must be living right. I dont know about that model of scope, but I know that Leupold does not come cheap. You may have gotten the scope, and a free rifle at that price. damn...
Weapons' threads are good threads.
Correct.
At the time, the scope was selling new for about $650 or $700 if I remember right. It was really too much scope for the rifle though. I figured 10X is more than enough.
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. It would have to be "lone wolves" who don't have kids or otherwise helpless dependents relying on them because they may leave home and never return. And, then one can only hope that those operatives have the skills, the equipment and close proximity to some strategically important target. And, once a threat is perceived it's reasonable to assume that all unapproved civilian movement will be outlawed. Those in violation who don't stop and identify themselves can expect to be disintegrated by motorized or airborne weapons platforms with positively scary rates of fire. I don't know too many people who are willing to leave home at night and never return because of some abstract principle (of which Americans never speak) or, to assure freedom for others while sacrificing their own. (How many Americans do you know who'd give up their social security checks to secure America's future? And, you think that there are plenty of folks, an "unstoppable" number who'd give their lives for that noble purpose?) If altruism ever was an American virtue it isn't now. More than likely those who go out at night will be trying to steal their neighbors' hogs, chickens, vegetables or gasoline.... "Let's see, I can go out and find some food for my hungry younguns or, I can strike a blow for freedom! If I'm caught my kids will be sent to China for slave labor. Hmmm, let me weigh my options here.....come to think of it, I'm hungry, too!"
Bend over and take it just like Mr Slave, or fight. I dont care what other people do. Everyone has to make their own choice. I can see where a few people have already decided before things have even gotten bad. It's sad, really. People want freedom, but they arent willing to accept the probability that they are going to die for it, so others (kids, mostly) wont have to die for it later on. We are giving kids lifetimes of debt and slavery. I am sure they will appreciate that. Maybe we are in worse shape than I thought. No. I'm saying that the time to hit the streets is the instant they spring the trap! Before the govt spokesmodel is finished telling us "the new rules" we should be forming up and ready to skirmish with whatever force comes out to try and put us down. If folks bury their guns and try to plan their way out from under the boot of tyranny, the system will have time to get its act together and form a seamless web from which there will be little hope of escape. And, the psychological tools they'll bring to bear (on TV) will paralyze most who may have been useful before being exposed to frightening propaganda. In the absence of counter psychological conditioning Americans will fold in shameful numbers, I'm sorry to predict. In short, anyone who isn't willing to kill or be killed the very first day is too timid to be of any use to patriots. And, trying to train them would be so risky that the cost/benefit just wouldn't tilt in favor of freedom. On the other hand, if the system sees that Americans are willing to run toward their oppressors and bite the enemy to death if that's the only weapon available, that is the message we want to send to the wormy bastards (and any undecided potential collaborators) the very first day.
Spring the trap?? Hound I think they already sprang the trap..
Hound I think they already sprang the trap.. We may be using different definitions.
I think they sprang the trap when we 'elected' O'satan on Tuesday..
Hound, how would you describe 'springing the trap'?
I disagree. We are on the same side, IMO, but we dont see eye to eye on this. Forming up to wait for an attack is suicidal. I wont do it. The rest of it, I agree with, FWIW.
#2. To: X-15 (#0)
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of its very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#3. To: Lady X, Jethro Tull, christine (#1)
#4. To: IndieTX (#2)
Of course, all of my guns, ammo and metals were stolen by some wetbacks in a low rider with fuzzy dice hanging from the rearview mirror long ago.
#5. To: X-15 (#0)
#6. To: HOUNDDAWG, All (#3)
Most Americans will cringe and watch as a few brave souls try to organize and resist, and we'll peek out as they too are given WACO THERAPY by The Delta Force.
#7. To: HOUNDDAWG (#3)
and 1 out of every 3 Americans is a rodent waiting to snitch.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#8. To: All (#7)
I'd say the ratio is more like 999 out of 1,000.
#9. To: PSUSA (#6)
Body Art Cobleskill, NY
#10. To: Critter (#9)
10 million militias of one.
#11. To: HOUNDDAWG (#3)
1 out of every 3 Americans is a rodent waiting to snitch.
#12. To: PSUSA. HOUNDDAWG, Esso (#8)
#13. To: PSUSA (#10)
There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
#14. To: PSUSA (#10)
Try and confiscate them from people that bought them for that eventuality, and bad things will happen to those doing the confiscating.
Body Art Cobleskill, NY
#15. To: Lady X (#11)
When I taught school I always punished the tattle-tail..
Body Art Cobleskill, NY
#16. To: Critter (#14)
#17. To: christine, All (#12)
HD and Esso aren't talking about us. they're talking about the average american out there who is totally clueless. look around your neighborhood (assuming you're in suburbia). how many do you think have any idea what's going on?
#18. To: Critter (#14)
recently found a nice range on state land around here. Last week I practiced my head shots at 200 yards.
#19. To: PSUSA (#18)
THat is some good shooting,
Body Art Cobleskill, NY
#20. To: PSUSA (#17)
How many hits does this site get, versus how many make posts? IIRC, you have a rather high alexa rank, and this is just 1 site.
#21. To: Critter (#19)
#22. To: christine (#20)
#23. To: PSUSA (#21)
Varminter?
Body Art Cobleskill, NY
#24. To: Critter (#23)
#25. To: Critter. shooters here (#23)
#26. To: PSUSA, Critter, all (#24)
You may have gotten the scope, and a free rifle at that price.
#27. To: PSUSA (#24)
Body Art Cobleskill, NY
#28. To: PSUSA (#6)
Organizing is a mistake, IMO. It gives them a nice juicy fat target. But a nation of prepared and motivated "lone wolves" or very small groups would be unstoppable.
#29. To: PSUSA (#8)
Then surrender already. Put that white flag by your door, ready to use, and maybe they will let you live.
#30. To: HOUNDDAWG (#29)
#31. To: Lady X (#30)
Spring the trap??
#32. To: HOUNDDAWG (#31)
#33. To: HOUNDDAWG (#31)
#34. To: HOUNDDAWG (#29)
Before the govt spokesmodel is finished telling us "the new rules" we should be forming up and ready to skirmish with whatever force comes out to try and put us down.
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