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Title: "Yes We Can . . . Ban Guns"--Obama Announces Gun Ban Agenda Before The Final Vote Count Is In
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.nraila.org/legislation/read.aspx?id=4227
Published: Nov 9, 2008
Author: NRA
Post Date: 2008-11-09 13:47:25 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 731
Comments: 37

"Yes We Can . . . Ban Guns"--Obama Announces Gun Ban Agenda Before The Final Vote Count Is In
 
Friday, November 07, 2008
 

Senator Barack Obama's presidential campaign slogan, "the audacity of hope," should have instead been "the audacity of deceit." After months of telling the American people that he supports the Second Amendment, and only hours after being declared the president-elect, the Obama transition team website announced an agenda taken straight from the anti-gun lobby--four initiatives designed to ban guns and drive law-abiding firearm manufacturers and dealers out of business: 

"Making the expired federal assault weapons ban permanent." Perhaps no other firearm issue has been more dishonestly portrayed by gun prohibitionists. Notwithstanding their predictions that the ban's expiration in 2004 would bring about the end of civilization, for the last four years the nation's murder rate has been lower than anytime since the mid-1960s. Studies for Congress, the Congressional Research Service, the National Institute of Justice, the National Academy of Sciences, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have found no evidence that gun prohibition or gun control reduces crime. Guns that were affected by the ban are used in only a tiny fraction of violent crime-about 35 times as many people are murdered without any sort of firearm (knives, bare hands, etc.), as with "assault weapons." Obama says that "assault weapons" are machine guns that "belong on foreign battlefields," but that is a lie; the guns are only semi-automatic, and they are not used by a military force anywhere on the planet. 

"Repeal the Tiahrt Amendment." The amendment--endorsed by the Fraternal Order of Police--prohibits the release of federal firearm tracing information to anyone other than a law enforcement agency conducting a bona fide criminal investigation. Anti-gun activists oppose the restriction, because it prevents them from obtaining tracing information and using it in frivolous lawsuits against law-abiding firearm manufacturers. Their lawsuits seek to obtain huge financial judgments against firearm manufacturers when a criminal uses a gun to inflict harm, even though the manufacturers have complied with all applicable laws. 

"Closing the gun show loophole." There is no "loophole." Under federal law, a firearm dealer must conduct a background check on anyone to whom he sells a gun, regardless of where the sale takes place. A person who is not a dealer may sell a gun from his personal collection without conducting a check. Gun prohibitionists claim that many criminals obtain guns from gun shows, though the most recent federal survey of convicted felons put the figure at only 0.7 percent. They also claim that non-dealers should be required to conduct checks when selling guns at shows, but the legislation they support goes far beyond imposing that lone requirement. In fact, anti-gun members of Congress voted against that limited measure, holding out for a broader bill intended to drive shows out of business. "Making guns in this country childproof." "Childproof" is a codeword for a variety of schemes designed to prevent the sale of firearms by imposing impossible or highly expensive design requirements, such as biometric shooter-identification systems. While no one opposes keeping children safe, the fact is that accidental firearm-related deaths among children have decreased 86 percent since 1975, even as the numbers of children and guns have risen dramatically. Today, the chances of a child being killed in a firearm accident are less than one in a million.


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Yeah, yeah, it's from the NRA. All I want to know is the information is valid? If it is, run, don't walk, to arm up.

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#4. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

The link you provided for the 'agenda' is invalid but it's interesting that one of the more enthusiastic proponents of the assault rifle ban is stupid W, the show horse of the GOP party and the standard-bearer of the so-called conversatives.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-11-09   14:20:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#4)

The link you provided for the 'agenda' is invalid

It's not an invalid link. The Obama people pulled the content yesterday.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-11-09   14:24:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: farmfriend (#5) (Edited)

If they did, then maybe it came from some over-enthuzed Obamist and it did not reflect the boss' views.

You are aware that W was all for the assault rifles ban, I hope.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-11-09   14:27:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, bluegrass (#6)

If they did, then maybe it came from some over-enthuzed Obamist and it did not reflect the boss' views.

No, the whole agenda content was taken down. I think it was making the rounds and they had to take it down. Stay tuned for the sanitized version.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-11-09   14:41:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: farmfriend (#8)

Look, everybody is entitled to agendas. Some agendas are nice and most agendas never get implemented - remember W's agendas on the Middle East, on Social Security, on Spreading Democracy and on managing THE SURPLUS?

What really counts is the process that produces laws, and all 3 branches of government are involved in it. If this was Obama's dream or an artifact of an Obama staffer's imagination, the fact that the agenda disappeared overnight it's probably an indication that the Obamist are willing to listen and to adjust their agendas if needed. That's not a bad thing, in my view.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-11-09   14:56:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#9)

the fact that the agenda disappeared overnight it's probably an indication that the Obamist are willing to listen and to adjust their agendas if needed.

Or he is awaiting orders from on high. I have no doubt that Obama's reign will be just as bad as Bush's. The puppet masters have not changed.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-11-09   15:02:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: farmfriend (#10)

You know, my current most favorite TV shows are: Prison Break, Heroes and I just watched the first 8 episodes of Lost.

They all have something common. You should watch them if you have a chance. They make for great entertainment and they are also illustrations of a self- evident truth: reality is always a lot less exciting or interesting than fantasy.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-11-09   15:21:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#12)

I have no interest in any of those shows. I watch a lot of science. That said my favorite show is Dexter.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-11-09   16:27:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: farmfriend (#16)

That said my favorite show is Dexter.

Love it!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-11-09   16:29:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull, a vast rightwing conspirator (#17)

Currently the TV is tuned to an episode of Weird Connections. If you love cutting edge science, that's the show for you.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-11-09   16:33:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: farmfriend (#18)

I have both seasons on DVD. It's great.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-11-09   16:37:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Jethro Tull (#20)

Sounds like we have similar TV viewing. Wonder what else we have in common.

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