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Title: "Yes We Can . . . Ban Guns"--Obama Announces Gun Ban Agenda Before The Final Vote Count Is In
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URL Source: http://www.nraila.org/legislation/read.aspx?id=4227
Published: Nov 9, 2008
Author: NRA
Post Date: 2008-11-09 13:47:25 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 557
Comments: 37
Senator Barack Obama's presidential campaign slogan, "the audacity of hope," should have instead been "the audacity of deceit." After months of telling the American people that he supports the Second Amendment, and only hours after being declared the president-elect, the Obama transition team website announced an agenda taken straight from the anti-gun lobby--four initiatives designed to ban guns and drive law-abiding firearm manufacturers and dealers out of business: "Making the expired federal assault weapons ban permanent." Perhaps no other firearm issue has been more dishonestly portrayed by gun prohibitionists. Notwithstanding their predictions that the ban's expiration in 2004 would bring about the end of civilization, for the last four years the nation's murder rate has been lower than anytime since the mid-1960s. Studies for Congress, the Congressional Research Service, the National Institute of Justice, the National Academy of Sciences, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have found no evidence that gun prohibition or gun control reduces crime. Guns that were affected by the ban are used in only a tiny fraction of violent crime-about 35 times as many people are murdered without any sort of firearm (knives, bare hands, etc.), as with "assault weapons." Obama says that "assault weapons" are machine guns that "belong on foreign battlefields," but that is a lie; the guns are only semi-automatic, and they are not used by a military force anywhere on the planet. "Repeal the Tiahrt Amendment." The amendment--endorsed by the Fraternal Order of Police--prohibits the release of federal firearm tracing information to anyone other than a law enforcement agency conducting a bona fide criminal investigation. Anti-gun activists oppose the restriction, because it prevents them from obtaining tracing information and using it in frivolous lawsuits against law-abiding firearm manufacturers. Their lawsuits seek to obtain huge financial judgments against firearm manufacturers when a criminal uses a gun to inflict harm, even though the manufacturers have complied with all applicable laws. "Closing the gun show loophole." There is no "loophole." Under federal law, a firearm dealer must conduct a background check on anyone to whom he sells a gun, regardless of where the sale takes place. A person who is not a dealer may sell a gun from his personal collection without conducting a check. Gun prohibitionists claim that many criminals obtain guns from gun shows, though the most recent federal survey of convicted felons put the figure at only 0.7 percent. They also claim that non-dealers should be required to conduct checks when selling guns at shows, but the legislation they support goes far beyond imposing that lone requirement. In fact, anti-gun members of Congress voted against that limited measure, holding out for a broader bill intended to drive shows out of business. "Making guns in this country childproof." "Childproof" is a codeword for a variety of schemes designed to prevent the sale of firearms by imposing impossible or highly expensive design requirements, such as biometric shooter-identification systems. While no one opposes keeping children safe, the fact is that accidental firearm-related deaths among children have decreased 86 percent since 1975, even as the numbers of children and guns have risen dramatically. Today, the chances of a child being killed in a firearm accident are less than one in a million. Poster Comment: Yeah, yeah, it's from the NRA. All I want to know is the information is valid? If it is, run, don't walk, to arm up.
"Yes We Can . . . Ban Guns"--Obama Announces Gun Ban Agenda Before The Final Vote Count Is In Friday, November 07, 2008
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
When is this idiot's term of office up????
Later rather than sooner.
The agenda link is real though it only exists in cached versions now. I didn't find the gun agenda there.
The link you provided for the 'agenda' is invalid but it's interesting that one of the more enthusiastic proponents of the assault rifle ban is stupid W, the show horse of the GOP party and the standard-bearer of the so-called conversatives.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
It's not an invalid link. The Obama people pulled the content yesterday.
If they did, then maybe it came from some over-enthuzed Obamist and it did not reflect the boss' views. You are aware that W was all for the assault rifles ban, I hope.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
The gun agenda's in there: Funny how the whole site got edited.
No, the whole agenda content was taken down. I think it was making the rounds and they had to take it down. Stay tuned for the sanitized version.
Look, everybody is entitled to agendas. Some agendas are nice and most agendas never get implemented - remember W's agendas on the Middle East, on Social Security, on Spreading Democracy and on managing THE SURPLUS? What really counts is the process that produces laws, and all 3 branches of government are involved in it. If this was Obama's dream or an artifact of an Obama staffer's imagination, the fact that the agenda disappeared overnight it's probably an indication that the Obamist are willing to listen and to adjust their agendas if needed. That's not a bad thing, in my view.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Or he is awaiting orders from on high. I have no doubt that Obama's reign will be just as bad as Bush's. The puppet masters have not changed.
lol the Obamist are willing to listen and to adjust their agendas if needed. That's not a bad thing, in my view. What or who is/are "the Obamist"?
You know, my current most favorite TV shows are: Prison Break, Heroes and I just watched the first 8 episodes of Lost. They all have something common. You should watch them if you have a chance. They make for great entertainment and they are also illustrations of a self- evident truth: reality is always a lot less exciting or interesting than fantasy.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I meant to write the ObamistS - with an S. I'm a touch typist - don't look at the keyboard and I rarely look at the screen while typing and, if the keyboard is not first class, mistakes are made.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
With or without an s, it's damned disconcerting to hear about Obamists. I thought this was about us and not Obama?
Blah, blah blah. Never happen.
Turtle's secret Indian name is Two Stuck Dogs.
I have no interest in any of those shows. I watch a lot of science. That said my favorite show is Dexter.
Love it!
Currently the TV is tuned to an episode of Weird Connections. If you love cutting edge science, that's the show for you.
Please explain.
I have both seasons on DVD. It's great.
Sounds like we have similar TV viewing. Wonder what else we have in common.
ping
http://s5.gladiatus.us/game/c.php?uid=77290 Fine. Pass whatever laws you want. Make it retroactive, even. No grandfathering. I dont care.
I don't watch broadcast shows. The ones that I want I buy on DVD or on Blu, if available.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I say 'Obamists' and I say 'Bushies'. It's no big deal.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
No one called Bush the messiah. It's a big deal when his followers are called Obamites by a partisan such as yourself.
A convenient and intentional omission.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx REMEMBER> When this happens to you, shoot the MFs.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx Stick your head back in your shell before you're number 13.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx I wrote Obamists not Obamites and I don't care much about words. 'Negro' was a good word at a time when Nigger was a bit harsh and Black is not longer universally approved even though I find African-American to be a totally ridiculous construction - given the reality of Arabs and native White South- Africans on the continent and the large populations of Black Caribbeans and Brazilians. So, if you want to call the Obamists 'Radishes' or 'Eggnogs', it's fine with me.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
And who controls all of those???
Bring on the Depression. Bring it the F*** ON! If digging ditches and eating beans for a few years is what it takes for me to see some worthless sacks of crap bankers and politicians living in sack cloth and being spat upon by my fellow Americans well... where's my shovel?!?!
Me, too!
And who controls all of those??? Well... since you asked... I do. :)
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I'll never forget that sorry episode in his presidency.
Stargate SG1... All ten seasons on DVD :-) (borrowed no less!)
Bring on the Depression. Bring it the F*** ON! If digging ditches and eating beans for a few years is what it takes for me to see some worthless sacks of crap bankers and politicians living in sack cloth and being spat upon by my fellow Americans well... where's my shovel?!?!
You're right. They probably do have lots of conspiracies and deep cover orgs in Stargate.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#2. To: Lady X (#1)
When is this idiot's term of office up????
#3. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
All I want to know is the information is valid? If it is, run, don't walk, to arm up.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#4. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#5. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#4)
The link you provided for the 'agenda' is invalid
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#6. To: farmfriend (#5)
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#7. To: roughrider, christine, Pinguinite, angle, Lady X, Cynicom, Tauzero, aristeides, wbales, Ridinshotgun, DeaconBenjamin, Horse, Ada, HOUNDDAWG, wadosy, nikki, farmfriend, Jethro Tull, Dakmar, echo5sierra, scrapper2, noone222, Rotara, honway, Original_Intent (#3)
#8. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, bluegrass (#6)
If they did, then maybe it came from some over-enthuzed Obamist and it did not reflect the boss' views.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#9. To: farmfriend (#8)
#10. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#9)
the fact that the agenda disappeared overnight it's probably an indication that the Obamist are willing to listen and to adjust their agendas if needed.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#11. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, farmfriend (#9)
What really counts is the process that produces laws, and all 3 branches of government are involved in it. If this was Obama's dream or an artifact of an Obama staffer's imagination, the fact that the agenda disappeared overnight it's probably an indication that...
#12. To: farmfriend (#10)
#13. To: bluegrass (#11)
#14. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#13)
#15. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#16. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#12)
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#17. To: farmfriend (#16)
That said my favorite show is Dexter.
#18. To: Jethro Tull, a vast rightwing conspirator (#17)
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#19. To: Turtle (#15)
Blah, blah blah. Never happen
#20. To: farmfriend (#18)
#21. To: Jethro Tull (#20)
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#22. To: Jethro Tull, *libertarians* (#0)
#23. To: freepatriot32, All (#22)
#24. To: farmfriend (#18)
#25. To: bluegrass (#14)
#26. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#25)
#27. To: farmfriend (#3)
The agenda link is real though it only exists in cached versions now. I didn't find the gun agenda there.
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of its very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#28. To: Jethro Tull (#19)
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of its very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#29. To: Turtle (#15)
Blah, blah blah. Never happen.
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of its very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#30. To: bluegrass (#26)
(Edited)
#31. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#9)
What really counts is the process that produces laws, and all 3 branches of government are involved in it.
#32. To: farmfriend (#16)
That said my favorite show is Dexter.
#33. To: scrapper2, farmfriend, christine, Dexter (#32)
#34. To: Axenolith (#31)
What really counts is the process that produces laws, and all 3 branches of government are involved in it.
#35. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#6)
You are aware that W was all for the assault rifles ban, I hope.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#36. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#12)
my current most favorite TV shows are: Prison Break, Heroes and I just watched the first 8 episodes of Lost.
#37. To: Axenolith (#36)
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