[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Sign-in]  [Mail]  [Setup]  [Help] 

Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

The Earth Has Been Shaken By 466,742 Earthquakes So Far In 2025

LadyX

Half of the US secret service and every gov't three letter agency wants Trump dead. Tomorrow should be a good show

1963 Chrysler Turbine

3I/ATLAS is Beginning to Reveal What it Truly Is

Deep Intel on the Damning New F-35 Report

CONFIRMED “A 757 did NOT hit the Pentagon on 9/11” says Military witnesses on the scene

NEW: Armed man detained at site of Kirk memorial: Report

$200 Silver Is "VERY ATTAINABLE In Coming Rush" Here's Why - Mike Maloney

Trump’s Project 2025 and Big Tech could put 30% of jobs at risk by 2030

Brigitte Macron is going all the way to a U.S. court to prove she’s actually a woman

China's 'Rocket Artillery 360 Mile Range 990 Pound Warhead

FED's $3.5 Billion Gold Margin Call

France Riots: Battle On Streets Of Paris Intensifies After Macron’s New Move Sparks Renewed Violence

Saudi Arabia Pakistan Defence pact agreement explained | Geopolitical Analysis

Fooling Us Badly With Psyops

The Nobel Prize That Proved Einstein Wrong

Put Castor Oil Here Before Bed – The Results After 7 Days Are Shocking

Sounds Like They're Trying to Get Ghislaine Maxwell out of Prison

Mississippi declared a public health emergency over its infant mortality rate (guess why)

Andy Ngo: ANTIFA is a terrorist organization & Trump will need a lot of help to stop them

America Is Reaching A Boiling Point

The Pandemic Of Fake Psychiatric Diagnoses

This Is How People Actually Use ChatGPT, According To New Research

Texas Man Arrested for Threatening NYC's Mamdani

Man puts down ABC's The View on air

Strong 7.8 quake hits Russia's Kamchatka

My Answer To a Liberal Professor. We both See Collapse But..

Cash Jordan: “Set Them Free”... Mob STORMS ICE HQ, Gets CRUSHED By ‘Deportation Battalion’’

Call The Exterminator: Signs Demanding Violence Against Republicans Posted In DC


War, War, War
See other War, War, War Articles

Title: Obama, Medvedev on Collision Course Over Missile Shield?
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://election.swiftmob.com/conten ... ?page=7234&content=4697877&f=1
Published: Nov 12, 2008
Author: MSM
Post Date: 2008-11-12 10:10:20 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 423
Comments: 24

Obama, Medvedev on Collision Course Over Missile Shield?

Date: Nov 12, 2008 8:40:08 AM

Barack Obama had been president-elect for all of one day last week when Russian President Dmitry Medvedev called him out, reminding many of vice president-to-be Joe Biden's warning that America's enemies would test the new president with an international crisis within six months.

In his first state-of-the-nation address, Medvedev threatened to move short-range missiles to Russia's borders with NATO countries to counter America's plan to build a missile defense shield in Poland.

Medvedev didn't congratulate Obama or mention him by name in his nationally televised 85-minute address, during which he blamed Washington for the war in Georgia and the world financial crisis and suggested it was up to Washington to mend badly damaged ties.

"It was a really unfortunate time to make this type of statement, just when Obama was elected," said Dimitri K. Simes, president of The Nixon Center and author of "After the Collapse: Russia Seeks Its Place as a Great Power."

"It was a poor way to communicate the interest Russia has in the new beginning of the United States," Simes said.

Obama spoke to Medvedev by phone on Saturday, and the Kremlin said Obama and Medvedev believe an "early bilateral meeting" should be arranged.

Even so, the episode has raised questions about future relations between the two nations -- which are already strained after the Russian-Georgia conflict -- and what kind of threat a resurgent Russia will pose to the United States during Obama's presidency.

Russia has regained economic strength in recent years, following the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, thanks to rising oil prices, increased foreign investment and higher domestic consumption. And its relations with the U.S. have cooled considerably in the last few years.

The latest war of words stems from President Bush's desire to construct a European missile shield with installations in Poland and the Czech Republic. The plan is to begin work before Bush leaves office in January, with completion scheduled for 2012. But experts in the Defense Department reportedly believe more interceptor testing is required, which could delay the program for years.

Marshall I. Goldman, senior scholar at Harvard's Davis Center for Russian and Eurasian Studies, called Medvedev's speech last week a "terrible misjudgment" because it forces Obama to take a tougher stance than he might have otherwise.

Goldman said it's not too late for the U.S. and Russia to salvage relations, but Obama must back away from the Bush administration's plan to set up the missile shield. He said Russia will never believe that it is intended solely as a defense against Iran.

"They just don't trust us," Goldman said.

He said Russia needs to back off, too, and give Obama a chance to establish his foreign policy.

"Give him a chance, but don't push him into a corner," he said.

Padma Desai, a Harriman professor of comparative economic systems and director of the Center for Transition Economies at Columbia University, said Obama's biggest challenge in improving relations with Russia will come from Congress.

"Democrats are going to be a problem," she said, noting that congressional leaders, whom she described as hawkish, won't react well to Obama sitting down with Medvedev.

She said Russia does not pose a threat to the U.S.

"They have lots of problems. They're facing a decline in oil prices and population growth. They have a whole lot of problems. How can they be a threat?" she said.

But she added that Russia will always be a thorn in the side of the U.S. Even if Russia becomes a full democracy, she said, the U.S. will always have problems with its leadership because, unlike Europe and Japan, which share America's values, Russia will always have geopolitical interests that it will want to protect along its southern border.

Simes said U.S.-Russia relations will improve or deteriorate depending on how U.S. national security priorities are defined.

"If our priorities [are] nuclear nonproliferation, counterterrorism, protecting NATO allies and not allowing Russia to invade its neighbors, then all these priorities can be pursued without confrontation with Russia," he said

"If it is to spread democracy, that Ukraine and Georgia be brought into NATO, not to allow Russia to build pipelines in Europe, then I think clearly the relation is going to deteriorate."


Poster Comment:

Grid your loins, Mr & Mrs America.

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 23.

#15. To: All (#0)

NY Times

Kennedy Talked, Khrushchev Triumphed

By NATHAN THRALL and JESSE JAMES WILKINS
Published: May 22, 2008

IN his inaugural address, President John F. Kennedy expressed in two eloquent sentences, often invoked by Barack Obama, a policy that turned out to be one of his presidency57;s — indeed one of the cold war57;s — most consequential: 60;Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate.61; Arthur Schlesinger Jr., Kennedy57;s special assistant, called those sentences 60;the distinctive note61; of the inaugural.

They have also been a distinctive note in Senator Obama57;s campaign, and were made even more prominent last week when President Bush, in a speech to Israel57;s Parliament, disparaged a willingness to negotiate with America57;s adversaries as appeasement. Senator Obama defended his position by again enlisting Kennedy57;s legacy: 60;If George Bush and John McCain have a problem with direct diplomacy led by the president of the United States, then they can explain why they have a problem with John F. Kennedy, because that57;s what he did with Khrushchev.61;

But Kennedy57;s one presidential meeting with Nikita Khrushchev, the Soviet premier, suggests that there are legitimate reasons to fear negotiating with one57;s adversaries. Although Kennedy was keenly aware of some of the risks of such meetings — his Harvard thesis was titled 60;Appeasement at Munich61; — he embarked on a summit meeting with Khrushchev in Vienna in June 1961, a move that would be recorded as one of the more self- destructive American actions of the cold war, and one that contributed to the most dangerous crisis of the nuclear age.

Senior American statesmen like George Kennan advised Kennedy not to rush into a high-level meeting, arguing that Khrushchev had engaged in anti-American propaganda and that the issues at hand could as well be addressed by lower-level diplomats. Kennedy57;s own secretary of state, Dean Rusk, had argued much the same in a Foreign Affairs article the previous year: 60;Is it wise to gamble so heavily? Are not these two men who should be kept apart until others have found a sure meeting ground of accommodation between them?61;

But Kennedy went ahead, and for two days he was pummeled by the Soviet leader. Despite his eloquence, Kennedy was no match as a sparring partner, and offered only token resistance as Khrushchev lectured him on the hypocrisy of American foreign policy, cautioned America against supporting 60;old, moribund, reactionary regimes61; and asserted that the United States, which had valiantly risen against the British, now stood 60;against other peoples following its suit.61; Khrushchev used the opportunity of a face-to-face meeting to warn Kennedy that his country could not be intimidated and that it was 60;very unwise61; for the United States to surround the Soviet Union with military bases.

Kennedy57;s aides convinced the press at the time that behind closed doors the president was performing well, but American diplomats in attendance, including the ambassador to the Soviet Union, later said they were shocked that Kennedy had taken so much abuse. Paul Nitze, the assistant secretary of defense, said the meeting was 60;just a disaster.61; Khrushchev57;s aide, after the first day, said the American president seemed 60;very inexperienced, even immature.61; Khrushchev agreed, noting that the youthful Kennedy was 60;too intelligent and too weak.61; The Soviet leader left Vienna elated — and with a very low opinion of the leader of the free world.

Kennedy57;s assessment of his own performance was no less severe. Only a few minutes after parting with Khrushchev, Kennedy, a World War II veteran, told James Reston of The New York Times that the summit meeting had been the 60;roughest thing in my life.61; Kennedy went on: 60;He just beat the hell out of me. I57;ve got a terrible problem if he thinks I57;m inexperienced and have no guts. Until we remove those ideas we won57;t get anywhere with him.61;

A little more than two months later, Khrushchev gave the go- ahead to begin erecting what would become the Berlin Wall. Kennedy had resigned himself to it, telling his aides in private that 60;a wall is a hell of a lot better than a war.61; The following spring, Khrushchev made plans to 60;throw a hedgehog at Uncle Sam57;s pants61;: nuclear missiles in Cuba. And while there were many factors that led to the missile crisis, it is no exaggeration to say that the impression Khrushchev formed at Vienna — of Kennedy as ineffective — was among them.

If Barack Obama wants to follow in Kennedy57;s footsteps, he should heed the lesson that Kennedy learned in his first year in office: sometimes there is good reason to fear to negotiate.

Nathan Thrall is a journalist. Jesse James Wilkins is a doctoral candidate in political science at Columbia.

<

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-11-12   11:42:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Jethro Tull, scrapper2, christine, all (#15)

"Kennedy57;s aides convinced the press at the time that behind closed doors the president was performing well, but American diplomats in attendance, including the ambassador to the Soviet Union, later said they were shocked that Kennedy had taken so much abuse. Paul Nitze, the assistant secretary of defense, said the meeting was 60;just a disaster.61; Khrushchev57;s aide, after the first day, said the American president seemed 60;very inexperienced, even immature.61; Khrushchev agreed, noting that the youthful Kennedy was 60;too intelligent and too weak.61; The Soviet leader left Vienna elated — and with a very low opinion of the leader of the free world.

I hope everyone here reads the above, especially the O'Piles.

At the time we had OFFENSIVE missiles in Turkey that Nikita wanted out. He forced Cuba and Kennedy removed the missiles.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-12   11:47:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom (#17)

I hope everyone here reads the above, especially the O'Piles.

At the time we had OFFENSIVE missiles in Turkey that Nikita wanted out. He forced Cuba and Kennedy removed the missiles.

Frankly I think it would be good for America's interests if Putin/Medvedev talked Obama out of this ridiculous collision course that the neozios have put us on with Russia. Putting US military bases on Russia's southern border with missiles pointed at Moscow is highly provocative and downright stupid.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-12   11:52:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: scrapper2, jethro tull (#19)

Putting US military bases on Russia's southern border with missiles pointed at Moscow is highly provocative and downright stupid.

Indeed.

Go back to square one...

If there is a spark that raises conflict, the US will be entirely alone in the ME and Asia. This is a dangerous game being played by our government, deluding our people into thinking this is a NATO operation.

When trouble arises, our "allies" will flee, leaving us alone and naked.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-12   12:00:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Cynicom (#21)

When trouble arises, our "allies" will flee, leaving us alone and naked.

Well, of course. Do you blame them? If the US gov't is stupid enough to get itself into a bind with Russia, why would the governments of our allies jump off the cliff together with the dumbkoffs in the Pentagon?

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-12   12:17:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: scrapper2 (#22)

Most of them were smart enough to get out of Iraq years before we will.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-11-12   12:21:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


Replies to Comment # 23.

        There are no replies to Comment # 23.


End Trace Mode for Comment # 23.

TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest


[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Sign-in]  [Mail]  [Setup]  [Help]