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Title: Obama, Medvedev on Collision Course Over Missile Shield?
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URL Source: http://election.swiftmob.com/conten ... ?page=7234&content=4697877&f=1
Published: Nov 12, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-11-12 10:10:20 by Jethro Tull
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Obama, Medvedev on Collision Course Over Missile Shield?

Date: Nov 12, 2008 8:40:08 AM

Barack Obama had been president-elect for all of one day last week when Russian President Dmitry Medvedev called him out, reminding many of vice president-to-be Joe Biden's warning that America's enemies would test the new president with an international crisis within six months.

In his first state-of-the-nation address, Medvedev threatened to move short-range missiles to Russia's borders with NATO countries to counter America's plan to build a missile defense shield in Poland.

Medvedev didn't congratulate Obama or mention him by name in his nationally televised 85-minute address, during which he blamed Washington for the war in Georgia and the world financial crisis and suggested it was up to Washington to mend badly damaged ties.

"It was a really unfortunate time to make this type of statement, just when Obama was elected," said Dimitri K. Simes, president of The Nixon Center and author of "After the Collapse: Russia Seeks Its Place as a Great Power."

"It was a poor way to communicate the interest Russia has in the new beginning of the United States," Simes said.

Obama spoke to Medvedev by phone on Saturday, and the Kremlin said Obama and Medvedev believe an "early bilateral meeting" should be arranged.

Even so, the episode has raised questions about future relations between the two nations -- which are already strained after the Russian-Georgia conflict -- and what kind of threat a resurgent Russia will pose to the United States during Obama's presidency.

Russia has regained economic strength in recent years, following the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, thanks to rising oil prices, increased foreign investment and higher domestic consumption. And its relations with the U.S. have cooled considerably in the last few years.

The latest war of words stems from President Bush's desire to construct a European missile shield with installations in Poland and the Czech Republic. The plan is to begin work before Bush leaves office in January, with completion scheduled for 2012. But experts in the Defense Department reportedly believe more interceptor testing is required, which could delay the program for years.

Marshall I. Goldman, senior scholar at Harvard's Davis Center for Russian and Eurasian Studies, called Medvedev's speech last week a "terrible misjudgment" because it forces Obama to take a tougher stance than he might have otherwise.

Goldman said it's not too late for the U.S. and Russia to salvage relations, but Obama must back away from the Bush administration's plan to set up the missile shield. He said Russia will never believe that it is intended solely as a defense against Iran.

"They just don't trust us," Goldman said.

He said Russia needs to back off, too, and give Obama a chance to establish his foreign policy.

"Give him a chance, but don't push him into a corner," he said.

Padma Desai, a Harriman professor of comparative economic systems and director of the Center for Transition Economies at Columbia University, said Obama's biggest challenge in improving relations with Russia will come from Congress.

"Democrats are going to be a problem," she said, noting that congressional leaders, whom she described as hawkish, won't react well to Obama sitting down with Medvedev.

She said Russia does not pose a threat to the U.S.

"They have lots of problems. They're facing a decline in oil prices and population growth. They have a whole lot of problems. How can they be a threat?" she said.

But she added that Russia will always be a thorn in the side of the U.S. Even if Russia becomes a full democracy, she said, the U.S. will always have problems with its leadership because, unlike Europe and Japan, which share America's values, Russia will always have geopolitical interests that it will want to protect along its southern border.

Simes said U.S.-Russia relations will improve or deteriorate depending on how U.S. national security priorities are defined.

"If our priorities [are] nuclear nonproliferation, counterterrorism, protecting NATO allies and not allowing Russia to invade its neighbors, then all these priorities can be pursued without confrontation with Russia," he said

"If it is to spread democracy, that Ukraine and Georgia be brought into NATO, not to allow Russia to build pipelines in Europe, then I think clearly the relation is going to deteriorate."


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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

"Democrats are going to be a problem," she said, noting that congressional leaders, whom she described as hawkish, won't react well to Obama sitting down with Medvedev.

i wonder, does that include his chief of staff?

christine  posted on  2008-11-12   10:19:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

"They just don't trust us," Goldman said....the U.S. will always have problems with its leadership because, unlike Europe and Japan, which share America's values, Russia will always have geopolitical interests that it will want to protect along its southern border.

Fancy that - Russia not trusting the USA - hello, what nation's millionaires bankrolled the Russian Revolution that caused the Russian people to live under almost 100 years of totalitarian rule and cast Russia's progress as a nation-state backwards untold # of years?

How crass of Russia to have "geo-political" interests that cause it to want to protect its southern border. Tsk, tsk.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-12   10:29:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: scrapper2, christine, Cynicom, all (#2)

Here's an article on the changing of NATOs original mission. It was changed from a defensive position to what is now a key component in the "war on terror." The Klintoids, and the fascist, political Left, along with the neocons of both parties, are responsible. Medvedev is doing what any nationalistic leader would do and that is to challenge potential aggression. He's dead on.

NATO foreign ministers to forge new strategic concept

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12-07-1998
BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) _ With the lessons of Bosnia and Kosovo as a backdrop, NATO begins forging a new strategic concept Tuesday, moving beyond the traditional tasks of collective defense to focus on weapons of mass destruction, terrorism and regional conflicts.

NATO foreign minsters will meet to update the strategic concept, which lays out the alliance's mission, to reflect what NATO already has been doing in practice since the fall of the Berlin wall a decade ago. The concept was last revised in 1991.

``NATO's primary mission will always remain defense against aggression,'' Secretary of State Madeleine Albright wrote Monday in Britain's Financial Times. ``But the founders of the alliance also distinguished between what the treaty commits us to do and what it permits us to do.''

Today's threat is not a Russian tank assault across the plains of central Europe, but regional and ethnic violence like in Bosnia and Kosovo, terrorism and the spread of weapons of mass destruction. When these threats originate from outside NATO's traditional territory of operations, the alliance must be prepared to deal with them.

``The challenge is to bring the strategy into line with the changing reality,'' said a senior NATO diplomat briefing reporters before the foreign ministers' meeting here Tuesday and Wednesday.

The ministers will draw up the concept for approval at the NATO summit on April 24- 25. That summit, marking the alliance's 50th anniversary, will also welcome three new members, Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic.

Albright will table a proposal at the ministerial meeting here to set up a Center for Weapons of Mass Destruction, essentially an intelligence- sharing center, officials said.

Germany, meanwhile, is expected to bring up the nuclear first-strike question.

German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer made waves when he called on NATO last month to consider dropping its doctrine allowing a nuclear first-strike. This doctrine, reaffirmed as recently as last year, has always been a part of NATO's nuclear strategy and is considered an important aspect of deterrence.

``The minister will certainly raise the issue,'' a German diplomatic source said. ``We have to see that in the context of arms control, arms reduction and nonproliferation.''

The Germans don't have much backing on the issue and no one at NATO sees it as more than a speed bump on the road to the new strategic concept.

The allies will assess the situation in Kosovo, the south Serbian province where Serb security forces and ethnic Albanian guerrillas clashed for seven months. The threat of NATO air strikes stopped the fighting in October and the cease-fire is generally holding, despite sporadic outbursts.

The ministers also will make a regular six-month review of the situation in Bosnia. While there may be some cosmetic changes in the 32,000- member NATO-led force in Bosnia, no major reduction in the troop level is seen any time soon.

``Bosnia and Kosovo are recent examples that demonstrate NATO must act when conflicts beyond its immediate borders affect alliance interests,'' Albright wrote in her Financial Times article. ``NATO must find the right balance between the centrality of NATO's collective defense missions and responding to such crises.''

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-11-12   10:48:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

In hindsight, I believe that the 5 current UN Security Council members have put on a great performance toward enslaving the world without unsettling the rubes unnecessarily.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-12   10:50:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: scrapper2 (#2)

Fancy that - Russia not trusting the USA - hello, what nation's millionaires bankrolled the Russian Revolution that caused the Russian people to live under almost 100 years of totalitarian rule and cast Russia's progress as a nation-state backwards untold # of years?

Russia, China, Britain, France and AmeriKa.

The sobs just about have it all completed now.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-12   10:54:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: scrapper2 (#2) (Edited)

How crass of Russia to have "geo-political" interests that cause it to want to protect its southern border.

Amazing hypocrisy - USrael and its puppets in Central Asia and Eastern Europe point their missiles at Russia, and when Russia responds in kind, they call it "Russian aggression." If I kick a dog and it bites me in return, does that make it a dangerous and aggressive dog?

I took a look over at Freeperville a few months ago when the Georgia conflict was in its full glory. The usual rubes were talking about how Russia poses a mortal threat to US security and that we should launch a preemptive strike to destroy them before they destroy us. But to give them the benefit of the doubt, they must have thought that Russian troops were about to overrun Atlanta.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-11-12   11:00:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: christine (#1)

Emanuel won't allow Obama to sit down with Emanuel. The Mossad was backing Georgia in the Ossetia war, and their mole Emanuel will be telling Obama who he can and can't negotiate with.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-11-12   11:02:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Rotara (#4)

In hindsight, I believe that the 5 current UN Security Council members have put on a great performance toward enslaving the world without unsettling the rubes unnecessarily.

You bet. Between the new NATO and the UN, the Enslavers have us tied to global taxation and endless war scheme that is unique to world history. If the rubes who toe the R v D line would clear their heads, they might be of use. Until then they remain my enemy, and enemy is the correct word for anti-Americans.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-11-12   11:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jethro Tull, all (#0)

This is going to be a re run of 1961, when a new president elected as a Savior traveled to Vienna to meet Khrushchev

The American public knew they had elected the most qualified man in the US to right every wrong in the world, a great leader.

Kennedy was lucky to escape Vienna with his underwear intact. Nikita took everything else and the meeting was a total disaster for the US. Nikita was so emboldened that Cuba was to follow and a near nuclear war, because "Kennedy was in over his head".

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-12   11:17:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#7)

The Mossad was backing Georgia in the Ossetia war

Georgia = Israel North ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-12   11:19:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

You bet. Between the new NATO and the UN, the Enslavers have us tied to global taxation and endless war scheme that is unique to world history. If the rubes who toe the R v D line would clear their heads, they might be of use. Until then they remain my enemy, and enemy is the correct word for anti-Americans.

Obamalamadingdong promises Global Taxation. That's a requirement for effective Global Governance.

And if a rube hasn't figured it out yet, or isn't at least inquisitive, I'd say it's too late for them.

Maybe not, but 52% plus over half of the Rs that voted sincerely hate America.

Enemies indeed.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-12   11:23:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom (#9)

This is going to be a re run of 1961, when a new president elected as a Savior traveled to Vienna to meet Khrushchev

The American public knew they had elected the most qualified man in the US to right every wrong in the world, a great leader.

Kennedy was lucky to escape Vienna with his underwear intact. Nikita took everything else and the meeting was a total disaster for the US. Nikita was so emboldened that Cuba was to follow and a near nuclear war, because "Kennedy was in over his head".

And now for some really bad news - Medvedev has just introduced legislation to the Duma to change the existing term limits of the President's office from 2 four year terms to 2 six year terms. Rumor has it that once the legislation is passed - maybe in 2 months or so - Medvedev will resign and Vlad the Impaler will run for President again. And since the Russian people love Putin, he'll undoubtedly win in a landslide.

So the long and short of it is that in the near future, President Obama, a college professor, will be in talks with Vladimir "no holds barred" Putin.

Let's face it - Obama is no Kennedy whereas Putin is 10X smarter than Khrushchev.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-12   11:28:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: scrapper2 (#12)

So the long and short of it is that in the near future, President Obama, a college professor, will be in talks with Vladimir "no holds barred" Putin.

Let's face it - Obama is no Kennedy whereas Putin is 10X smarter than Khrushchev.

The Rapper, and his cultists, are about to see the dangers of the American Diversity Agenda. If this were to be a boxing match, Putin would be an off the chart favorite with bookies.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-11-12   11:34:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jethro Tull (#13)

Obama is no Kennedy

Kennedy was told by his own people not to go to Vienna. He was a Kennedy and could master all, well, he found out different. Harvard and Yale meant nothing to Nikita.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-12   11:41:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: All (#0)

NY Times

Kennedy Talked, Khrushchev Triumphed

By NATHAN THRALL and JESSE JAMES WILKINS
Published: May 22, 2008

IN his inaugural address, President John F. Kennedy expressed in two eloquent sentences, often invoked by Barack Obama, a policy that turned out to be one of his presidency57;s — indeed one of the cold war57;s — most consequential: 60;Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate.61; Arthur Schlesinger Jr., Kennedy57;s special assistant, called those sentences 60;the distinctive note61; of the inaugural.

They have also been a distinctive note in Senator Obama57;s campaign, and were made even more prominent last week when President Bush, in a speech to Israel57;s Parliament, disparaged a willingness to negotiate with America57;s adversaries as appeasement. Senator Obama defended his position by again enlisting Kennedy57;s legacy: 60;If George Bush and John McCain have a problem with direct diplomacy led by the president of the United States, then they can explain why they have a problem with John F. Kennedy, because that57;s what he did with Khrushchev.61;

But Kennedy57;s one presidential meeting with Nikita Khrushchev, the Soviet premier, suggests that there are legitimate reasons to fear negotiating with one57;s adversaries. Although Kennedy was keenly aware of some of the risks of such meetings — his Harvard thesis was titled 60;Appeasement at Munich61; — he embarked on a summit meeting with Khrushchev in Vienna in June 1961, a move that would be recorded as one of the more self- destructive American actions of the cold war, and one that contributed to the most dangerous crisis of the nuclear age.

Senior American statesmen like George Kennan advised Kennedy not to rush into a high-level meeting, arguing that Khrushchev had engaged in anti-American propaganda and that the issues at hand could as well be addressed by lower-level diplomats. Kennedy57;s own secretary of state, Dean Rusk, had argued much the same in a Foreign Affairs article the previous year: 60;Is it wise to gamble so heavily? Are not these two men who should be kept apart until others have found a sure meeting ground of accommodation between them?61;

But Kennedy went ahead, and for two days he was pummeled by the Soviet leader. Despite his eloquence, Kennedy was no match as a sparring partner, and offered only token resistance as Khrushchev lectured him on the hypocrisy of American foreign policy, cautioned America against supporting 60;old, moribund, reactionary regimes61; and asserted that the United States, which had valiantly risen against the British, now stood 60;against other peoples following its suit.61; Khrushchev used the opportunity of a face-to-face meeting to warn Kennedy that his country could not be intimidated and that it was 60;very unwise61; for the United States to surround the Soviet Union with military bases.

Kennedy57;s aides convinced the press at the time that behind closed doors the president was performing well, but American diplomats in attendance, including the ambassador to the Soviet Union, later said they were shocked that Kennedy had taken so much abuse. Paul Nitze, the assistant secretary of defense, said the meeting was 60;just a disaster.61; Khrushchev57;s aide, after the first day, said the American president seemed 60;very inexperienced, even immature.61; Khrushchev agreed, noting that the youthful Kennedy was 60;too intelligent and too weak.61; The Soviet leader left Vienna elated — and with a very low opinion of the leader of the free world.

Kennedy57;s assessment of his own performance was no less severe. Only a few minutes after parting with Khrushchev, Kennedy, a World War II veteran, told James Reston of The New York Times that the summit meeting had been the 60;roughest thing in my life.61; Kennedy went on: 60;He just beat the hell out of me. I57;ve got a terrible problem if he thinks I57;m inexperienced and have no guts. Until we remove those ideas we won57;t get anywhere with him.61;

A little more than two months later, Khrushchev gave the go- ahead to begin erecting what would become the Berlin Wall. Kennedy had resigned himself to it, telling his aides in private that 60;a wall is a hell of a lot better than a war.61; The following spring, Khrushchev made plans to 60;throw a hedgehog at Uncle Sam57;s pants61;: nuclear missiles in Cuba. And while there were many factors that led to the missile crisis, it is no exaggeration to say that the impression Khrushchev formed at Vienna — of Kennedy as ineffective — was among them.

If Barack Obama wants to follow in Kennedy57;s footsteps, he should heed the lesson that Kennedy learned in his first year in office: sometimes there is good reason to fear to negotiate.

Nathan Thrall is a journalist. Jesse James Wilkins is a doctoral candidate in political science at Columbia.

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Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-11-12   11:42:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Jethro Tull (#13)

The Rapper, and his cultists, are about to see the dangers of the American Diversity Agenda. If this were to be a boxing match, Putin would be an off the chart favorite with bookies.

I can't see Putin accepting a role that sees him do anything other than own Obamalamadingdong's a**.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-12   11:43:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Jethro Tull, scrapper2, christine, all (#15)

"Kennedy57;s aides convinced the press at the time that behind closed doors the president was performing well, but American diplomats in attendance, including the ambassador to the Soviet Union, later said they were shocked that Kennedy had taken so much abuse. Paul Nitze, the assistant secretary of defense, said the meeting was 60;just a disaster.61; Khrushchev57;s aide, after the first day, said the American president seemed 60;very inexperienced, even immature.61; Khrushchev agreed, noting that the youthful Kennedy was 60;too intelligent and too weak.61; The Soviet leader left Vienna elated — and with a very low opinion of the leader of the free world.

I hope everyone here reads the above, especially the O'Piles.

At the time we had OFFENSIVE missiles in Turkey that Nikita wanted out. He forced Cuba and Kennedy removed the missiles.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-12   11:47:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom (#17)

Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

"I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities.

-Joey, the Zionist, Biden

But lets discuss Palin's shoes....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-11-12   11:51:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom (#17)

I hope everyone here reads the above, especially the O'Piles.

At the time we had OFFENSIVE missiles in Turkey that Nikita wanted out. He forced Cuba and Kennedy removed the missiles.

Frankly I think it would be good for America's interests if Putin/Medvedev talked Obama out of this ridiculous collision course that the neozios have put us on with Russia. Putting US military bases on Russia's southern border with missiles pointed at Moscow is highly provocative and downright stupid.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-12   11:52:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: All, Mad Maddie (#19)

Secretary Albright on NATO Enlargement

Secretary Albright on NATO Enlargement

Opening Statement before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee

Washington, DC, February 24, 1998

As Submitted to the Committee

Chairman Helms, Senator Biden, members of the committee: It is my high honor to appear with my colleagues to present the protocols of accession to the North Atlantic Treaty of 1949 that will add Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic to NATO. We view the ratification of these protocols as an essential part of a broader strategy to build an undivided, democratic and peaceful Europe. We believe this goal is manifestly in America's own interest, and that it merits your strong support.

We are approaching the culmination of a remarkable process. It began four years ago when President Clinton and his fellow NATO leaders decided that the question was not whether NATO would welcome new members, but when and how it would do so. It moved forward in Madrid, when, after months of study and deliberation, the Alliance agreed that Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic would make NATO stronger and met every qualification for membership. It advanced two weeks ago, when President Clinton transmitted to the Congress the documents that will, with your consent, make these three nations America's newest allies.

I want to stress today, Mr. Chairman, that from the start, the Administration's decisions have been shaped by our consultations with you, with this committee and with others, with the NATO Observer Group, and with your colleagues in both Houses of Congress and both parties. Over the last few years, and especially the last few months, you have truly put the "advice" into the process of advice and consent. Our discussions have been a model of the kind of serious, bipartisan conversation we need to be having with the Congress and the American people about our nation's role in the world.

Of course, this is not the first time we have discussed NATO enlargement together. It is also not the first time that we as a nation have considered the addition of new members to our alliance.

Almost 50 years ago, my predecessor Secretary Dean Acheson transmitted to President Truman the original North Atlantic Treaty. He pointed out that if NATO was to be "fully effective" it had to be open to "as many countries as are in a position to further the democratic principles upon which the Treaty was based, to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic area, and ... to undertake the necessary responsibilities."

In the years since, the Senate has given its consent to the admission of Greece, Turkey, Germany and Spain into NATO. Each time, the Alliance became stronger. Each time, old divisions were overcome. Each time, new nations became anchored, once and for all, in the community of democracies that NATO exists to unite and protect. And this time will be no different.

But this moment is historic in another way. For if the Senate agrees, NATO will, for the first time, step across the line it was created to defend and overcome -- the line that once so cruelly and arbitrarily divided Europe into east and west.

During the Cold War, I'm sure some of you had the strange experience of seeing that line up close. There were bunkers and barbed wire, mine fields and soldiers in watchtowers fixing you in their crosshairs. On one side were free people, living in sovereign countries. On the other were people who wanted to be free, living in countries being suffocated by communism.

Go to the center of Europe today, and you would have to use all the powers of your imagination to conjure up these images of that very recent past. There are still borders, of course, but they are there to manage the flow of trucks and tour buses, not to stop troops and tanks. On both sides, people vote and speak and buy and sell freely. Governments cooperate with one another. Soldiers train and serve together. The legacy of the past is still visible east of the old divide, but in the ways that matter, the new democracies are becoming indistinguishable from their western neighbors.

We are here today, Mr. Chairman, because the status quo in Europe was shattered by the geopolitical equivalent of an earthquake. That earthquake presented us with a dual challenge: first, how to preserve a favorable security environment into the next century; and second, how to seize the opportunity to build a Europe whole and free.

In meeting that challenge, NATO faced a blunt choice. Would our alliance be the last institution in Europe to continue to treat the Iron Curtain as something meaningful? Or would it aid in Europe's reunification and renewal? Would it exclude from its ranks a whole group of qualified democracies simply because they had been subjugated in the past? Or would it be open to those free nations that are willing and able to meet the responsibilities of membership and to contribute to our security?

I believe NATO made the right choice. NATO's decision to accept qualified new members will make America safer, NATO stronger, and Europe more stable and united.

We recognize, Mr. Chairman, that the decision to build a larger NATO has implications for our security that must be weighed carefully. It involves solemn commitments. It is not cost-free. It can only be justified if it advances America's strategic interests.

Last October, I had the opportunity to come before you to make the case that a larger NATO will serve our interests. I will try to summarize that case today, and then focus on the questions and concerns that may still exist.

First, a larger NATO will make America safer by expanding the area of Europe where wars do not happen. By making it clear that we will fight, if necessary, to defend our new allies, we make it less likely that we will ever be called upon to do so.

Is central Europe in immediate jeopardy today? It is not. But can we safely say that our interest in its security will never be threatened? History and experience do not permit us to say that, Mr. Chairman.

There is, after all, the obvious risk of ethnic conflict. There is the growing danger posed by rogue states with dangerous weapons. There are still questions about the future of Russia. Whatever the future may hold, it is hardly in our interest to have a group of vulnerable and excluded states in the heart of Europe. It will be in our interest to have a vigorous and larger alliance with those European democracies that share our values and our determination to defend them.

A second reason is that the very prospect of a larger NATO has given the nations of central and eastern Europe an incentive to solve their own problems. To align themselves with NATO, aspiring allies have strengthened their democratic institutions, improved respect for minority rights, made sure soldiers take orders from civilians, and resolved virtually every old border and ethnic dispute in the region. This is the kind of progress that can ensure outside powers are never again dragged into conflict in this region. This is the kind of progress that will continue if the Senate says yes to a larger NATO.

A third reason why enlargement passes the test of national interest is that it will make NATO itself stronger and more cohesive. Our prospective allies are passionately committed to NATO. Experience has taught them to believe in a strong American role in Europe. Their forces have risked their lives alongside ours from the Gulf War to Bosnia. They will add strategic depth to the Alliance, not to mention well over 200,000 troops.

Two weeks ago, Foreign Minister Geremek of Poland was in Washington along with his Czech and Hungarian colleagues, and he was asked why his country wants to join NATO. He replied that Poland wants to be anchored at long last in the institutions of the transatlantic community. He said "we owe to America this revival of Poland's attachment to the West... Very simply, we owe our freedom to the United States."

Mr. Chairman, let us remember that these countries look forward to assuming the heavy responsibilities of NATO membership not as a burden, but as an opportunity. An opportunity to show the world that they are now mature, capable democracies, ready, willing and able to give something back to the community of freedom that stood by them in their years of darkness.

This point should be especially important to us today. Our nation is now engaged in an effort to ensure Iraq's compliance with UN Security Council resolutions. We have marshaling the support of other nations in this just cause. When I met with the Foreign Ministers of our three prospective allies two weeks ago, I asked them to stand by our side. Their response was swift and sure. If we have to take military action, they will be with us.

The bottom line is that Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic are already behaving as loyal allies. They will be good allies in the future, of that I have no doubt.

Nevertheless, I know that there are still serious critics who have legitimate questions about our policy. We have grappled with many of the same questions ourselves, and I want to address a few of them today.

Some of the concerns revolve around the potential cost of a larger NATO. The last time I was here, Mr. Chairman, we could only talk about estimates, for NATO had not yet come to agreement on this issue. Now, all 16 allies have agreed on the numbers and backed them up with commitments. We know today that the costs will be real, but also that they will be manageable, that they will be met, and that they will be shared fairly.

Some of those costs will be paid by our three new allies. I know some people have argued that these new democracies should not be asked to bear additional military burdens at a time when they are still undergoing difficult economic transformations. But these nations will be modernizing their armed forces in any case, and they have told us that in the long run it will be cheaper to do so within NATO than outside it.

Ultimately, only the people of these countries can decide what is best for their future. Today, in all three, solid public majorities and every mainstream party support membership in NATO. All three have growing economies. All three are building stronger, leaner, more professional armed forces. They are telling us they see no contradiction between security and prosperity and we should not substitute our judgment for theirs.

There are also people who worry that the cost of a larger NATO -- to us and to our allies -- will be far greater than the Alliance has projected.

That fear is partly based on a natural belief that governments tend to underestimate costs, sometimes severely, sometimes on purpose. But that is not the case with NATO. Our contributions to NATO are a budgeted line item, not an open-ended entitlement. They are funded in an annual exercise that will be fully in your own control. There is no history of running NATO on supplemental appropriations.

That fear is also partly based on an assumption that we will someday have to respond to a military threat to our new allies. If we are called upon to send troops to defend our new allies, then the cost will surely grow. But then, if such a dire threat were to arise, the cost of our entire defense budget would grow, whether we enlarge NATO or not. If you believe, as I do, that we have a security interest in the fate of these countries, then the most effective -- and cost-effective -- way to protect that interest is to make them allies now. As President Havel of the Czech Republic has rightly said: "Even the costliest preventive security is cheaper than the cheapest war."

Another concern that I want to address today is that adding new members to NATO could diminish the effectiveness of the Alliance and make it harder to reach decisions -- in short, that it could dilute NATO. But we have pursued NATO enlargement in a way that will make the Alliance stronger, not weaker.

This is why we have insisted that any nation wishing to join NATO must meet the strict conditions that former Secretary of Defense Perry enunciated in 1995: They must be market democracies with civilian control of the military, good relations with neighbors and the ability to contribute to NATO's mission of collective defense. This is why when President Clinton went to the Madrid summit last July, he insisted that only the strongest candidates be invited to join in this first round. As you know, the President was under some pressure, both at home and abroad, to agree to four or five new allies. He agreed to three, because we are determined to preserve NATO's integrity and strength.

Ultimately, what matters is NATO's effectiveness in action. We need to be confident that our allies have the resolve to stand with us when the going gets tough. So let us remember: When we asked Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic to join us in the Gulf, they did not hesitate. When we asked them to put their soldiers in harm's way in Bosnia, they did not hesitate. When we asked Hungary to open its bases to American troops, so they could deploy safely to Bosnia, it did not hesitate.

NATO is a military alliance, not a social club. But neither is it an inbred aristocracy. We must be prudent enough to add members selectively, but we must be smart enough to add those members that will add to our own security. These three will. Others may in the future.

And that in turn, raises another question I know a number of Senators have: namely, where will this process lead us and what about those countries that are not now being invited to join?

Part of the answer lies in NATO's Partnership for Peace and in its new Euro-Atlantic Partnership Council. Through these arrangements, virtually every nation from Armenia to Finland can act side by side with NATO and help to shape the exercises and missions we undertake with them.

But an equally important part of the answer lies in NATO's commitment to keep its door open to additional members. This is central to the logic of a larger NATO. After all, we set out on this policy because we believe that NATO cannot respect and must not perpetuate arbitrary lines of division in Europe. We gain nothing by ruling out a country as a future ally if it is important to our security, and if it proves that it is willing and able to contribute to our security.

Let me say very clearly that we have made no decisions about who the next members of NATO should be or when they might join. But we should also have some humility before the future.

How many people predicted in 1949 that Germany would so soon be a member of the Alliance? Who could have known in 1988 that in just ten years, members of the old Warsaw Pact would be in a position to join NATO? Who can tell today what Europe will look like in even a few years? This is just one reason why we want to preserve our flexibility -- and that of those who will lead the Alliance in years to come.

Some now propose that we freeze the process of enlargement for some arbitrary number of years. Some of these people have said, with candor, that their real aim is to freeze the process forever. Let me be absolutely clear: this Administration opposes any effort in the Senate to mandate an artificial pause in the process of NATO enlargement.

Last July, Mr. Chairman, President Clinton and I had the amazing experience of traveling the length and breadth of central and eastern Europe. In those countries that were not invited to join NATO, we were met by enthusiastic crowds and by leaders who support the decisions the Alliance made in Madrid. They know they have a ways to go before they can be considered. Yet just the possibility of joining has inspired them to accelerate reform, to reach out to their neighbors, and to reject the destructive nationalism of their region's past.

A mandated pause would be heard from Tallinn in the north to Sofia in the south as the sound of an open door slamming shut. It would be seen as a vote of no confidence in reform-minded governments from the Baltics to the Balkans. It would be taken as a sign that we have written these countries off and diminish the incentive they have to cooperate with their neighbors and with NATO. It would fracture the consensus NATO itself has reached on its open door. It would be at once dangerous and utterly unnecessary, since the Senate would in any case have to approve the admission of any new allies. It would defeat the very purpose of NATO enlargement.

Mr. Chairman, let me take a few moments to discuss one final key concern: the impact of a larger NATO on Russia and on our ties with that country. I want to stress that this concern has to do mostly with perceptions, not reality. And while perceptions can be important, our policies must follow from what we know to be true.

For example, there is a common perception that we are moving NATO, its tanks and bombers, and even its nuclear weapons right up to Russia's borders, and that therefore Russia has a reason to be threatened by a larger NATO. The reality is quite different.

Proximity is not the issue. Russia and NATO have shared a common border since 1949 -- both Russia and Norway know this is nothing new. There are no tensions along the border between Poland and the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad on the Baltic Sea coast. Hungary and the Czech Republic, meanwhile, are closer to France than they are to the nearest corner of Russian soil.

As for weaponry, NATO has announced that in the current and foreseeable security environment, it has no plan, no need and no intention to station nuclear weapons in the new member countries, nor does it contemplate permanently stationing substantial combat forces. Just as important, the prospect of joining NATO has given our future allies the confidence to avoid arms buildups and to work constructively to establish lower limits on conventional forces. Their ties with Russia are more normal and cooperative today than at any time in history.

If we did not enlarge NATO, exactly the opposite could happen. The central European nations would feel isolated and insecure. They would undoubtedly spend more on defense and they might reject regional arms control. As Senator Biden has pointed out, they would probably create their own mutual security arrangements, which might well be anti-Russian in character. Ironically, the problems Russia fears a larger NATO will cause are precisely the problems a larger NATO will avoid.

A more worrisome perception is that Russian opposition to expansion, whether justified or not, is hurting our relationship with Moscow. But once again, the reality is different.

I have spent much time during the last year talking with my Russian counterpart, Foreign Minister Primakov and other Russian leaders. I can assure you that the issue of enlargement is not a cloud that shadows these discussions. I believe our relationship is developing according to its own rhythms and priorities, and we have made significant progress in a number of key areas.

The new NATO-Russia Permanent Joint Council is up and running. Russia is taking part in the Partnership for Peace. Our soldiers and diplomats are working together in Bosnia. Russia was a full participant at the Summit of the Eight in Denver last year, and we are helping it prepare for membership in the World Trade Organization. With our support, Russia has continued on the path of economic and democratic reform.

We are pushing ahead with arms control as well: Russia is a year ahead of schedule in slicing apart nuclear weapons under the START I treaty. We signed a START II protocol that helps clear the way for the next phase in strategic arms reductions, and, we hope, will expedite Russian ratification of that treaty. Presidents Clinton and Yeltsin have agreed on the outlines of a START III treaty that would cut strategic arsenals to 80 percent below their Cold War peaks, once START II enters into force. Russia has joined us in banning nuclear testing and it has followed us in ratifying the Chemical Weapons Convention. We have begun to adapt the Conventional Forces in Europe Treaty.

We are also working with Russia to improve the security of nuclear weapons and materials, making good use of the programs pioneered in the Nunn-Lugar legislation. We are helping Russia stop production of weapons-grade plutonium. As we speak, our experts are helping to build safe and secure storage facilities for tons of fissile material, and to upgrade security at nuclear weapons storage sites throughout Russia.

I am not here to pretend that everything is perfect in our relationship with Russia. We are frankly concerned about the slow pace of action on START II ratification. We have serious concerns about Russia's relationship with Iran. Our perspectives on Iraq differ as well, though we fully agree on the fundamental goal of full Iraqi compliance with UN resolutions.

But let us be clear. It is a big mistake to think that every time Russia does something we do not like, it is to "punish" us for bringing Hungary or Poland into NATO.

Our disagreements with Russia, especially about the Middle East and Gulf, have come about because of the manner in which Russia is defining its national interests in that part of the world. These differences existed long before NATO decided to expand. If the Senate were to reject enlargement, we would not make them go away. We would, however, be turning our backs on three nations that have stood with us on Iraq, on Iran and on the range of security issues that matter to America.

Mr. Chairman, I think there is a larger issue at stake here. Those critics who focus on Russia's opposition to enlargement are making an assumption that Russia will always define its national interests in ways inimical to our own. These voices assume Russia will always be threatened and humiliated by the desire of its former satellites to go their own way; that it will never get over the end of its empire. They say that we should be realistic and accept this. They would have us ask Russia's neighbors to set aside their legitimate aspirations indefinitely for the sake of US-Russian cooperation.

I believe those assumptions sell Russia short. I believe they ignore the progress we have made, and that Russia has made in coming to terms with a world that has radically changed.

I am confident America can build a true partnership with a new Russia. But the partnership we seek cannot be purchased by denying a dozen European countries the right to seek membership in NATO. A partnership built on an illegitimate moral compromise would not be genuine and it would not last.

I am also confident that Russia can succeed in its effort to become a prosperous, stable democracy -- that it is becoming a normal power that expresses its greatness by working with others to shape a more just and lawful world. That transformation will only be delayed if we give Russia any reason to believe that it can still assert its greatness at the expense of its neighbors in central Europe. It is much more likely to advance as Russia recognizes that the same rules apply to every part of Europe; that Poland is no different from Portugal in its right to pursue its own aspirations.

Mr. Chairman, for all these reasons and more, I believe that the choice before you involves much, much more than the immediate future of Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic. It involves the future security of the United States; the future of an undivided Europe; the future of Russia and the character of our relationship with it.

In a sense, it involves the most basic question of all in our foreign policy: how do we avoid war and maintain a principled peace?

For some people, the answer seems to revolve around catch phrases such as globalization, and the naive hope that people who trade and exchange e-mails won't fight. But I do not believe we can bet our future on such an assumption. This is still a dangerous world.

We need to remain vigilant and strong, militarily and economically. We must strive to maintain the cordial relations among major powers which has lent brightness to the promise of our age. At the same time, we cannot assume that great power diplomacy alone will achieve the peaceful conditions in the future that it has so often failed to achieve in the past.

That is why we must also strengthen the proven alliances and institutions that provide order and security based on realism and law, for nations large and small. Institutions that deter aggression, and that give us a means to marshal support against it when deterrence fails.

That is what NATO does. That is why we decided to keep it after the Cold War ended. That is why we decided to expand it. That is why I thank you today, Mr. Chairman, members of the Committee, for working with us to make this day possible.

I commend you and the Committee for the time and effort you have dedicated to this vital decision. The NATO enlargement debate has not always been in the limelight. It is not about responding to the crisis of the moment; it is about the less glamorous, less headline-grabbing business of preventing the crises of the future. It calls for serious attention to be paid to the long-term challenges facing our country. And that is what you have done, with an emphasis on patriotism, not partisanship.

I thank you for helping to make this Committee, and the Senate as a whole, our full partner in the creation of a larger, stronger, better NATO. I look forward to your questions today and in the days to come.

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Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-11-12   11:55:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: scrapper2, jethro tull (#19)

Putting US military bases on Russia's southern border with missiles pointed at Moscow is highly provocative and downright stupid.

Indeed.

Go back to square one...

If there is a spark that raises conflict, the US will be entirely alone in the ME and Asia. This is a dangerous game being played by our government, deluding our people into thinking this is a NATO operation.

When trouble arises, our "allies" will flee, leaving us alone and naked.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-12   12:00:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Cynicom (#21)

When trouble arises, our "allies" will flee, leaving us alone and naked.

Well, of course. Do you blame them? If the US gov't is stupid enough to get itself into a bind with Russia, why would the governments of our allies jump off the cliff together with the dumbkoffs in the Pentagon?

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-12   12:17:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: scrapper2 (#22)

Most of them were smart enough to get out of Iraq years before we will.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-11-12   12:21:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Dumbass messiah jesus hussein is gonna' start WWIII with Russia.

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