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Title: Palin says she'd be honored to help Obama
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URL Source: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/12/palin/index.html
Published: Nov 12, 2008
Author: CNN
Post Date: 2008-11-12 21:33:19 by christine
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Views: 1282
Comments: 157

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Gov. Sarah Palin said Wednesday that she would be honored to help President-elect Barack Obama in his new administration, even if he did hang around with an "unrepentant domestic terrorist."

The Alaska governor said in an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer that she would be willing to help if Obama asked her for assistance on some of the issues she highlighted during this year's campaign, such as energy or services for special-needs children.

"It would be my honor to assist and support our new president and the new administration," said Palin, whom Sen. John McCain chose as his running mate in August.

"I speak for other Republicans and Republican governors, also," she said.

"They would be willing also to seize this opportunity that we have to progress this nation together, in a united front." Watch CNN's Wolf Blitzer interview Palin »

But asked moments later about some of the tough rhetoric she hurled from the stump, she said she was "still concerned" about Obama's ties to former Weather Underground member-turned-Chicago college professor William Ayers.

"If anybody still wants to talk about it, I will," she said. "Because this is an unrepentant domestic terrorist who had campaigned to blow up, to destroy our Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol.

That's an association that still bothers me, and I think it's fair to still talk about it," she continued.

"However, the campaign is over. That chapter is closed. Now is the time to move on and make sure all of us are doing all that we can to progress this nation." Watch Palin discuss how she could help Obama »

Palin was attending the annual Republican Governors Association convention in Miami, Florida. She was interviewed for CNN's "The Situation Room" -- the latest of several high-profile appearances for the ex-VP candidate. She will also appear Wednesday night on CNN's "Larry King Live." iReport.com: See readers' questions for Palin

There's speculation that Palin, as well as other incumbent governors at the conference -- such as Charlie Crist of Florida, Bobby Jindal of Louisiana and Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota -- could all have designs on the Republican presidential nomination in the next race for the White House. All three governors were on McCain's list of possible running mates before he selected Palin. As the 2012 buzz takes off, a new poll suggests that just less than half of all Americans have a favorable view of Palin.

Forty-nine percent of those questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Wednesday have a favorable opinion of Palin, with 43 percent viewing her unfavorably.

That is lower than a previous poll, suggesting that favorable opinions of Palin are dropping among Americans.

"In early September, just after the GOP convention, her favorable rating among registered voters was 57 percent, and only a quarter of all registered voters had an unfavorable view of her," CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said.

"Palin is less popular than Vice President-elect Joe Biden, with a 64 percent favorable rating, or her boss on the GOP ticket during the just-completed campaign, John McCain, who is seen favorably by 61 percent of the public."

The poll also suggests that men have a slightly more positive view of Palin than women, with 51 percent of males viewing her favorably, 3 percentage points higher than female respondents. Forty-one percent of males have an unfavorable opinion of Palin, compared with 45 percent of female survey respondents. Watch what McCain says about Palin »

"With fairly high negatives and lower support among women, who should be a natural constituency for Palin, she's not starting off from a position of strength," Holland said. "The question is no longer whether Palin was a drag on the McCain ticket but whether her unfavorables could be a drag on a future Palin ticket." See viewers' video questions submitted for Palin »

Among Republicans, though, Palin's rating remains high, with 86 percent of Republicans questioned in the poll holding a favorable opinion of her. That number drops to 48 percent among independents and 27 percent among Democrats.

The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll was conducted November 6 to 9, with 1,246 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The survey's sampling error is plus or minus 3 percentage points.

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#1. To: christine (#0)

Palin has some obvious mental issues.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-11-12   21:47:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Fred Mertz (#1)

Wulf Blitzer aired his interview with her today.

It was pretty good.

She sticks her neck out more than any I've seen. A man would never say what she did.

She's no threat to the wardrobe crowd.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-12   22:03:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: OliviaFNewton (#2)

She's pretty good if you liked your grammar school teacher.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-11-12   22:05:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Fred Mertz (#3)

She's pretty good if you liked your grammar school teacher.

Are you gay too?

So many guys seem to hate her, and it's because they are gay.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-12   22:08:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: OliviaFNewton (#4)

So many guys seem to hate her, and it's because they are gay.

Well, they seem to like Obongo, Biden and McKooK.

Just love their wardrobe and specially their naughty words.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-12   22:10:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: christine (#0)

It would be my honor to assist and support our new president and the new administration," said Palin

I think it's time for her husband to take her home and "keep her busy" for a while, her mouth needs to be occupied so she can't talk.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-11-12   22:14:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#5)

Well, they seem to like Obongo, Biden and McKooK.

Just love their wardrobe and specially their naughty words.

They really really do.

They act like the ladies don't see right through them.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-12   22:15:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine (#0)

She's just a better looking toadie that the rest of them.

Bend over Sarah, you'll get 'stump-trained' soon enough.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2008-11-12   22:18:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: X-15 (#6)

I think it's time for her husband to take her home and "keep her busy" for a while, her mouth needs to be occupied so she can't talk.

I suspect Palin was a tad tongue in cheek with her offer.

She has been portrayed as being rather stupid at her very best, but to this olde political hack, what she offered was actually a broadside at Obongo.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-12   22:19:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: OliviaFNewton (#4)

--

President Clinton responds to Ann Coulter

I wouldn't jump to conclusions.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-11-12   22:19:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: OliviaFNewton (#4)

Are you gay too?

What if I am? Does that change my opinion?

She's a ditz.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-11-12   22:21:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Fred Mertz (#1)

Palin has some obvious mental issues.

Obviously she is indeed performing on a higher plateau than many are able to grasp.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-12   22:21:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: OliviaFNewton (#4)

So many guys seem to hate her, and it's because they are gay.

That's what it's come down to, nuke the arabs for moses or you're a fucking queer?

Wish I'd printed up some t-shirts now.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-11-12   22:26:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: lodwick (#8) (Edited)

She's just a better looking toadie that the rest of them.

Bend over Sarah, you'll get 'stump-trained' soon enough.

Now lod, was that really necessary?

She said many things, no politician has had the guts to, today, when she was able to speak for herself.

No MAN in politics would have said it.

I wish there were actual men running the government.

But, when I look around here at 4um, many seem unable to take the truth when it comes from a woman, rather than insist that the same truths are uttered from the actual real power. The MEN of government. Or DC. Sarah has specifically discussed accountabilty expected by voters, and the American people, of the bankers that Congress wants to bail and promote.

She has talked today about the needs of a Governor to manage the budget of thousands of state employees, and be straight with the books.

She talked about the need to be honest about fairness, and went on to explain that taxpayers should not be stuck with the bill, again and again.. 2nd 3rd, 4th, 5th, bailout and stimulus.. and denounced the bad actors who have not been held to account.

She said, many governors face budget shortfalls that they are honestly trying to deal with, adding in the the federal and new state legislative (and ignorant) mandates, that do not take consideration of tax shortfalls in a slowing (dying) economy.

That an economy can not grow without jobs. JOBS.

Surely you are right. She'll be stump trained.

And surely you will know, as the summer of 09 falls upon the chaos of another 13 million jobless, few will suffer fools.

Fewer still, will find an audience for their false victim status.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-12   22:29:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Fred Mertz (#11)

Odd, the election is OVER. Yes it is. Check it out yourself.

Obongo won fair and square. THE ELECTION IS OVER.....

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-12   22:30:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Ferret Mike (#10)

HI demon boy.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-12   22:30:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Fred Mertz (#11)

What if I am? Does that change my opinion?

She's a ditz.

If you are gay, then I don't expect any other opinion from you.

No actual woman would be to your liking.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-12   22:34:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: lodwick (#8)

She's just a better looking toadie that the rest of them.

She always struck me as manic, a take-charge type of person even when none was desired. Government should build roads, deliver the mail, and keep the king of england out of my face. For everything else, there's wallmart. :)

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-11-12   22:35:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Dakmar (#13)

That's what it's come down to, nuke the arabs for moses or you're a fucking queer?

Wish I'd printed up some t-shirts now.

How did you arrive at that conclusion, and did you by the way notice that the change administration has no intention of scaling back but rather, nuking kingdom come for social justice?

Yep, let's order the tshirts.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-12   22:36:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: OliviaFNewton (#17) (Edited)

If I told you had a nice body would you hold it against me?

I hope you're not a fatty.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-11-12   22:37:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Fred Mertz (#20)

If I told you had a nice body would you hold it against me?

I hope your not a fatty.

No, and don't flatter yourself.

LOL!

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-12   22:39:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: OliviaFNewton (#14)

Now lod, was that really necessary?

No, that was coarse, crude, and totally uncalled for.

Apologies up to those who don't realize that politics is the second oldest profession.

And even dirtier than the first.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2008-11-12   22:43:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: lodwick (#22)

No, that was coarse, crude, and totally uncalled for.

Apologies up to those who don't realize that politics is the second oldest profession.

And even dirtier than the first.

Well there you go.

Facts are facts. :)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-12   22:44:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: lodwick (#22)

Apologies up to those who don't realize that politics is the second oldest profession.

Accepted...

A lady of the night is honest and tells you from the first minute it is going to cost you money and how much.

A politician type will tell you it is free, bend you over, fleece you and you feel nothing and go home broke.

Lod, thats the American way.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-12   22:46:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: OliviaFNewton (#19)

and did you by the way notice that the change administration has no intention of scaling back but rather, nuking kingdom come for social justice?

Why is there no special word for the doohickie Marionette manipulators (also a seemingly undue proletarian title, I must say) use to make their puppets dance? Far as I can tell, it's just called a stick.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-11-12   22:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Dakmar (#25)

Why is there no special word for the doohickie Marionette manipulators (also a seemingly undue proletarian title, I must say) use to make their puppets dance? Far as I can tell, it's just called a stick.

There are an awful lot of them aren't there?

Would it be rude if I gave a hand gesture to the sticks and their army?

Don't tell on me.

Here goes: ..!..

;)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-12   22:53:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: OliviaFNewton, Cynicom, all (#23)

Let's have a nice tune -

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2008-11-12   22:53:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: lodwick, all (#27)

Lod, you old romantic smoothie you.

No wonder the Mrs. keeps a short leash on you.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-12   23:02:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: lodwick (#27)

That was outstanding!

Thanks lod.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-12   23:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: OliviaFNewton, lodwick, lovers everywhere (#29)

Rest assured the Mrs. is in close proximity.

Now we know why she keeps an eye on olde Lod.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-12   23:04:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#30)

Rest assured the Mrs. is in close proximity.

Now we know why she keeps an eye on olde Lod.

LOL!

He has good taste in music cyni. Sooths the soul. Much appreciated.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-12   23:09:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: lodwick, I want our culture back (#27)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-11-12   23:12:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Jethro Tull (#32)

I want our culture back

Me too.

Great song.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-12   23:19:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: X-15 (#6)

At least it is nice, for a change, to hear someone talking in positive tones for the country. I don't have any qualms about people offering to help get a handle on things.........its gonna take a hell of a lot, if it is even possible, to get some turn arounds going.

rowdee  posted on  2008-11-12   23:22:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: OliviaFNewton, lodwick (#31)

He has good taste in music cyni. Sooths the soul. Much appreciated.

Try not to overdo it as Lod enjoys and gathers such adoration.

I know the TRUE Lod and why the Mrs. rarely leaves him unsupervised.

Hint...Lod is getting to... "THAT"... age.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-12   23:24:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Cynicom (#35)

This age?


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-11-12   23:31:26 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: rowdee (#34)

rd...

The election has been over with for some time but it seems some people got into the "hate" mode and cannot disengage.

Obongo won fair and square. The majority for better or worse made a decision. Now instead of having Bush to kick around, we have Obongo.

Obongo is president elect, that is a fact, and everything he says and does is fair game, even bad weather can be blamed on him.

Bush is leaving, a bitter and beaten old man after eight long years of misery brought upon our shoulders. He will forever be scorned and I hope it torments him the rest of his life.

How Obongo leaves is up to him.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-12   23:31:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: rowdee (#34)

At least it is nice, for a change, to hear someone talking in positive tones for the country. I don't have any qualms about people offering to help get a handle on things.........its gonna take a hell of a lot, if it is even possible, to get some turn arounds going.

It's going to take a dose of starvation, to clear some heads Miss Rowdee. Hopefully that will happen before camp.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-12   23:33:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Ferret Mike (#36)

Mike...

You wont know until you get there, and Lod is there.

You are still too young.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-12   23:34:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Cynicom (#35)

Try not to overdo it as Lod enjoys and gathers such adoration.

I know the TRUE Lod and why the Mrs. rarely leaves him unsupervised.

Hint...Lod is getting to... "THAT"... age.

If Lod posts such with Mrs. supervision, well then, she's right okay.

When is it that we're supposed to tie bells to our laces again?

:)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-12   23:36:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Cynicom (#37)

yeppers.

rowdee  posted on  2008-11-12   23:36:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: OliviaFNewton, lodwick (#40)

When is it that we're supposed to tie bells to our laces again?

When old men find all kinds of reasons to be away from their BETTER half, that is time to worry because they are up to something.

I always know when Mrs. Lod is away, just from Lods posts.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-12   23:39:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Cynicom (#37)

The election has been over with for some time but it seems some people got into the "hate" mode and cannot disengage.

Ah, well that was well up into the media craw today.

Mrs. Palin represents the pro-life segment of society and that will not stand.

But there's more.

Mrs. Palin presents an image that is hotly and agressively rejected by the gay mafia.

Many hide behind a rainbow of veils to fight for the C-plank.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-12   23:40:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Cynicom (#42)

When old men find all kinds of reasons to be away from their BETTER half, that is time to worry because they are up to something.

I always know when Mrs. Lod is away, just from Lods posts.

I think you are being a bit tough on Lod.

BTW, why you up so late? hehehehehe...

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-12   23:42:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Jethro Tull (#32)

Great song from the EBrothers. Good stuff. Thanks.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2008-11-12   23:43:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: OliviaFNewton, all (#43)

Ferraro was thrown under the bus, Hillary is now under the same bus and it seems Palin will join them shortly.

This gender thing has me mystified. Looking back over the history of my lifetime, at the death, destruction and carnage brought upon this nation by men, I see no room for any man to raise their head in righteousness on behalf of their superior gender.

Nowhere do we find any woman taking us into any war, none.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-12   23:49:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: OliviaFNewton, rowedee, cynicom, JT, all those who worry about me (#40)

Mrs. L just rang in from her 'phone, and asked me to join her in the marital SelectComfort rack...night, all

Rest well.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2008-11-12   23:50:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Fred Mertz (#1)

Hey Fred. This is off subject but I saw one of your posts on LP today, something about Tiger Direct and newegg. You might want to check out pricespider.com. You can get some pretty good deals there.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-11-12   23:51:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: lodwick, all (#47)

Mrs. L just rang in from her 'phone, and asked me to join her in the marital SelectComfort rack...night, all

Did not.

You will be sleeping on the couch again tonite.

We know you.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-12   23:51:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: lodwick, music lovers, all (#45)

A nice tune.


Lyrics | Natasha Bedingfield - Unwritten lyrics

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-12   23:54:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Cynicom (#39)

"Mike...

You wont know until you get there, and Lod is there.

You are still too young."

A wise old friend once told me, youth looks ahead, old age looks back, and middle age looks bewildered.

Guess where 54 puts me.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-11-13   0:00:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: ferret mike the corn holing commie (#51)

Guess where 54 puts me.

IN another Repubicrat bath house ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   0:05:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Cynicom (#46)

Ferraro was thrown under the bus, Hillary is now under the same bus and it seems Palin will join them shortly.

This gender thing has me mystified. Looking back over the history of my lifetime, at the death, destruction and carnage brought upon this nation by men, I see no room for any man to raise their head in righteousness on behalf of their superior gender.

Nowhere do we find any woman taking us into any war, none.

This is something we shall have to explore cyni.

So far in our history (hello rob), no woman, no redneck, or poor, have ever declared war on any other country, and directed (or volunteered for lack of education, inbreeding, or affluence) the chilren of bureaucrats to the front lines to face actual bullets, dismemberment, death, and worse. And there is a worse. As we all know.

There are those that are quite happy to exterminate the reproductive males of society. And lets see, who might that segment of society be?

Ah well there is more, many many words from here at 4um, that we can place under the scope to study and hopefully learn the reasons why this game is upside-down.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-13   0:05:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Ferret Mike (#51)

old age looks back,

That is only too true.

For the old there is only today and yesterday.

Today I visited a home for the elderly, about 200 people. Mostly women, a few men.

The oldest 102 with her mental faculties. Many younger than myself.

It makes one think about an automatic switch.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-13   0:05:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Cynicom (#46)

This gender thing has me mystified. Looking back over the history of my lifetime, at the death, destruction and carnage brought upon this nation by men, I see no room for any man to raise their head in righteousness on behalf of their superior gender.

Exactly.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-11-13   0:05:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: OliviaFNewton (#53)

We bitter unwashed white trash of the hills wish for only one thing, that is to be left alone.

If the educated and anointed leaders wish war, so be it, do not invite us, just leave us alone.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-13   0:08:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: OliviaFNewton, Cynicom (#53)

Ferraro was thrown under the bus, Hillary is now under the same bus and it seems Palin will join them shortly.

This gender thing has me mystified. Looking back over the history of my lifetime, at the death, destruction and carnage brought upon this nation by men, I see no room for any man to raise their head in righteousness on behalf of their superior gender.

Nowhere do we find any woman taking us into any war, none.

This is something we shall have to explore cyni.

So far in our history (hello rob), no woman, no redneck, or poor, have ever declared war on any other country, and directed (or volunteered for lack of education, inbreeding, or affluence) the chilren of bureaucrats to the front lines to face actual bullets, dismemberment, death, and worse. And there is a worse. As we all know.

There are those that are quite happy to exterminate the reproductive males of society. And lets see, who might that segment of society be?

Ah well there is more, many many words from here at 4um, that we can place under the scope to study and hopefully learn the reasons why this game is upside-down.

Facts are facts. Like them or not.

The fact of the matter is, the female tendency to give up liberty and freedom for security has had an impact on where America is today.

Where we are is the end of the line. I'm pissed.

And ANY female that gets vetted kosher by the Feral Reserve boyz sure as spit would bomb their own neighborhood if there was a standing order from above. g'dine f., hillary ! or Sar-o-con.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   0:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Cynicom (#56)

We bitter unwashed white trash of the hills wish for only one thing, that is to be left alone.

If the educated and anointed leaders wish war, so be it, do not invite us, just leave us alone.

Agreed.

But I would seriously like to nominate some volunteers. From the nest or even here.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-13   0:10:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Cynicom (#56)

We bitter unwashed white trash of the hills wish for only one thing, that is to be left alone.

If the educated and anointed leaders wish war, so be it, do not invite us, just leave us alone.

Good luck with the NeoCommie Globalists leaving any decent people alone !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   0:11:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: James Deffenbach (#55)

Man has not done well in the affairs of humankind.

Their record is there for all to see. It is the male elitists of this country that has brought death and destruction, not a female can be found. Yet despicable hate pours out daily here on all women.

Perhaps the saying..."All men are created equal"...means just that to our current generation. Yet everyone of the haters arrived here via the unequal.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-13   0:15:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Rotara (#57)

Facts are facts. Like them or not.

Indeed...

And men have not done a very good job for the last 100 years or so.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-13   0:17:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Cynicom (#61)

And men have not done a very good job for the last 100 years or so.

I'd take pre-1920 over post-1920 in a heartbeat.

Certainly not putting 100% blame on women screwing up our country. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   0:24:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Cynicom (#61)

Indeed...

And men have not done a very good job for the last 100 years or so.

I really enjoy how a contingent of 4um 'men' eventually blame women for the actions of the men in charge.

There are some facts here that some are unwilling to face.

So much so, they send their own children to public school, and cater to their masters for employment in the system.

That they send them to war, and blame their mothers, is obscene.

Again, where are the men? Where did they go?

If they are few, let me say that truth always finds an audience.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-13   0:26:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Rotara (#62)

We all know the results of the last crash.

What will happen this time is unknown but one can speculate that it will not be good for Joe Sixpack that has had nothing to do with it.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-13   0:28:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: OliviaFNewton, Cynicom, All (#63)

"Socialism just seems to come naturally to women. Indeed, it may be that the rise of socialism in America is a direct consequence of women's suffrage." ~ John L. Bowman - 2004

Starter. Research presentation to follow. Please discuss.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   0:29:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Cynicom (#64)

We all know the results of the last crash.

What will happen this time is unknown but one can speculate that it will not be good for Joe Sixpack that has had nothing to do with it.

It will work out alright, at least for a spell, for anyone willing to pledge allegiance to the Globalist messiah.

This is about total control/submission.

Mark these words.

"Would you bite the hand that feeds you ?"

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   0:31:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: All (#66)

Can anyone PLEASE name 1 (ONE) freakin minority in America that doesn't vote Socialist/Communist/Marxist/Lefty/Progressive ????

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   0:32:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Cynicom (#60)

Man has not done well in the affairs of humankind.

Their record is there for all to see. It is the male elitists of this country that has brought death and destruction, not a female can be found. Yet despicable hate pours out daily here on all women.

Perhaps the saying..."All men are created equal"...means just that to our current generation. Yet everyone of the haters arrived here via the unequal.

Great post. I do not consider women "inferior" whatsoever. While it is true that we can do some things they can't, it is also true they can do some things we can't. And we (men and women) need each other.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-11-13   0:33:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Rotara (#57)

The fact of the matter is, the female tendency to give up liberty and freedom for security has had an impact on where America is today.

We disagree on point one.

Perhaps you are confusing welfare women for the working ones, who generally get shit on.

I could make some general comments here, or I could make a number of personal statments of fact.

Generally, weak men use excuses for not stepping up.

As for the Fed Reserve, that being a predominately womans game ;) , what would you as a minority male do to resolve the problem of fiat money.

I would just like to say, if you are a woman or a man, the problem before us and the price to be extracted, may not necessarily be gender oriented.

IOW, male and females citizens of America will be fitted for an equal yoke.

Party affiliation could play a part. Race, could play a part. Religious affiliation could play a part. In the weight of the yoke.

That said, how do we proceed. Either way, all yokes are fitted.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-13   0:35:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: OliviaFNewton, jethro tull, all (#63)

Let me add this bit that I read long ago written by a shrink.

Take any six young boys, any six young men, any six middle aged men, leave them to their own devices and the chances for deviltry are great.

However, add one female of equal social stature to any group and the chances of deviltry diminishes to near zero.

Extend that into politics.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-13   0:36:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: James Deffenbach (#68)

James...

See my Nr 70

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-13   0:37:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: OliviaFNewton (#69)

The fact of the matter is, the female tendency to give up liberty and freedom for security has had an impact on where America is today.

We disagree on point one.

No need to waste time then.

When I present the evidence you'll poopoo that too. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   0:40:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Cynicom (#70)

Let me add this bit that I read long ago written by a shrink.

Yeah, well. ahem

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   0:41:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Rotara (#72)

All of us will be pointing fingers as we and the Titanic take a swan dive.

Mind you, the captain and crew (elitists) sailed away long ago.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-13   0:42:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Cynicom (#74)

All of us will be pointing fingers as we and the Titanic take a swan dive.

Mind you, the captain and crew (elitists) sailed away long ago.

I'm not pointing fingers (except for the cute redhead, she's HOT:), I'm pointing out facts.

There is a correlation with our slide into corporate Big Government Statist Socialist/Commie Fascism in America coinciding with the 19th Amendment.

Don't blame me, every woman I've ever cared about knows what made America great and refuse to vote against the Constitution. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   0:46:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Cynicom (#70)

Let me add this bit that I read long ago written by a shrink.

Take any six young boys, any six young men, any six middle aged men, leave them to their own devices and the chances for deviltry are great.

However, add one female of equal social stature to any group and the chances of deviltry diminishes to near zero.

Extend that into politics.

Cyni,

Great piece soon to appear called the Vanishing Male. It seems our guys have been messed with, genetically speaking, for quite some time. Having said that, I would hope most men and women here to be outraged and curious. But I expect the weak minded to find offense.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-13   0:49:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Cynicom (#70)

It is always interesting to see couples kiss, because you can see a pretty truthful idea how both feel about each other. Take this pic of Ronnie and Nancy, which I always liked.

And this nice one of Barack and Michelle. It is obvious in both pics there is real love there.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-11-13   0:50:14 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Rotara (#72)

When I present the evidence you'll poopoo that too. ;-)

I'll sit by the phone.. ;)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-13   0:50:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Cynicom (#71)

Yes, I agree.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-11-13   0:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Ferret Mike (#77)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   0:52:06 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: OliviaFNewton (#78)

When I present the evidence you'll poopoo that too. ;-)

I'll sit by the phone.. ;)

Do I have your vote then ? lol

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   0:52:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Rotara (#81)

Do I have your vote then ? lol

Nite darlin'......

:)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-13   0:54:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Cynicom (#74)

Todd and Sarah, at the prom.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-11-13   0:54:41 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: OliviaFNewton (#82)

Nite darlin'......

:)

xoxoxo

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   0:55:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: OliviaFNewton (#76)

Great piece soon to appear called the Vanishing Male. It seems our guys have been messed with, genetically speaking, for quite some time. Having said that, I would hope most men and women here to be outraged and curious. But I expect the weak minded to find offense.

Listening about it on the AJ show rerun.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   1:29:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Rotara (#67) (Edited)

Can anyone PLEASE name 1 (ONE) freakin minority in America that doesn't vote Socialist/Communist/Marxist/Lefty/Progressive ????

As compared to the White Christian Republicans who vote for Fascist / Nazi / Corporatist / Jackbooted TazerThugs who like to prattle on about "family values" before toe-tapping their way into each others anuses (anii?) in bathroom stalls, and then toddling off to pick up the latest batch of orphans being auctioned off for them to rape?

Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2008-11-13   1:30:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Elliott Jackalope (#86) (Edited)

Christian Socialist sheep is your answer ? Seriously, why don't you just admit that you're a Socialist at heart who's jealous that corp.gov only Socialized Wall St and not you. Just get it over with. Socialism is fine so long as you're a beneficiary. I suppose you always filed right on time with every dime, eh ? Voted for Obanger din't ya ?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   1:40:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Elliott Jackalope (#86)

to pick up the latest batch of orphans being auctioned off for them to rape?

Keynesian Economics RULE!! Quit upsetting the apple cart....

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-11-13   1:40:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: X-15 (#88)

Keynesian Economics RULE!!

How Tricky Dick of you !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   1:41:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Rotara (#89)

Arabs who trade in little boys would be out of business without Keynesian sycophants, and THAT would marginalize dozens of flesh-peddlers along the northern coast of Africa.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-11-13   1:44:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: X-15 (#90)

Arabs who trade in little boys would be out of business without Keynesian sycophants, and THAT would marginalize dozens of flesh-peddlers along the northern coast of Africa.

Maybe the planet does need to be sanitized for a do over. It won't be a flood this go around, though.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   1:46:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Rotara (#87)

I come from an engineering background. I've learned to be very agnostic towards "theories" and am much more interested in "results". From what I've seen, the nations that are the healthiest, wealthiest, best educated, happiest and have the most transparent / least corrupt governments on the planet are... guess what? SOCIALIST. Norway, Finland, Denmark, Sweden. Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it.

I could care less about "theories" and all of that crap. I care about RESULTS. And as of now the RESULTS are in. Norway, Finland, Denmark and Sweden have found the best possible way to go, by practicing "Democratic Socialism". Are they perfect? No. Nothing will ever be perfect. Are they better off than we are? Oh yes, big time. And for everyone who wants to say "But the Soviet Union collapsed", all I can say is "Yeah, and at the rate we're going the US is going to collapse too." Bummer. Looks like the extremes of communism and capitalism both lead to the same destination, a totally eviscerated society incapable of making a decent transistor radio or black and white TV set. Seriously. We, the US of A, can no longer produce a single transistor radio or black and white tube style TV with the old-fashioned twist dials for VHF and UHF. Not now kidding. We shipped our entire manufacturing capacity overseas in the mindless pursuit of "profits uber alles". Zieg Heil! Funny how that worked out. Two diametrically opposed ideologies ended up at exactly the same destination, while the "middle way" of Democratic Socialism turned out to be the best way to limit corruption and provide a decent standard of living to everyone. Looks like the joke's on us!

As far as "Christian" Socialist goes, sorry, not a fan of Christianity. As far as I'm concerned all religions suck.

Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2008-11-13   1:49:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Elliott Jackalope (#92) (Edited)

Just a "Yes I'm a F**KING SOCIALIST" would have sufficed.

Thanks.

Nanny Stater

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   1:50:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Rotara (#93)

Fucking Nazi. Go fuck yourself with a swastika.

Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2008-11-13   1:51:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: All (#93)

I'm batting 100%

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   1:51:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Elliott Jackalope (#94)

Fucking Nazi. Go fuck yourself with a swastika.

Long winded Dum Bass,

Socialism/Communism requires Fascism when the sheeple start desiring some liberty and freedom.

Dumbphuck, you're the damned NAZI.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   1:53:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Rotara (#96)

God help you if I ever meet you in person.

Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2008-11-13   1:56:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Elliott Jackalope (#97)

God help you if I ever meet you in person.

I'm sure He will and it will be my pleasure, Socialist peckerwood.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   2:06:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Cynicom, Christine (#46)

Ferraro was thrown under the bus, Hillary is now under the same bus and it seems Palin will join them shortly.

Well, at least mccain came out in her defense--belatedly, but he did.

Thinking on the matter, I don't believe it is only her beliefs that have so many wimmen in a tizzy. I believe a large part is the envy/jealous phenomena. You know, when put in a position where something needs to be said, a woman can tell another one 'nice dress'.....when she could have said, 'you look terrif in that dress'. Catty. Yep. But the complimenter isn't about to tell the gal that SHE looks fantastic--especially not since she either tried on the same dress, or one nearly like it, and found herself wanting in the 'terrific' department.

Sarah Palin has a nice body--especially for one having had 5 kids, and her willingness to do what it takes to maintain same nice body; she has good facial and hair features--her skin appears near flawless and her hair is more than ample. EVEN with glasses, she looks great, as they are of a design that actually enhance her eyes! She has a very natural outgoing nature. She speaks well in public, has a sense of humor, and is loyal.

Damn.........maybe I should be hating her, too!! Nah.......I look at her as I look at our Chrissie. Brains and beauty combined in one package are great and to be able to call such a combo my friend is greater.

rowdee  posted on  2008-11-13   12:07:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: OliviaFNewton (#53)

Damn......you are good!! :)

rowdee  posted on  2008-11-13   12:12:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: OliviaFNewton (#53)

There are those that are quite happy to exterminate the reproductive males of society. And lets see, who might that segment of society be?

Egads, lady.......do you suspect that this is a throwback to the most basic of instincts in nature, that is, that the males attempt to wipe out other males so they have the wimmen all to themselves?

rowdee  posted on  2008-11-13   12:14:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Rotara (#65)

In your 'more to come' column(s) on socialism beginning with wimmen, be sure to do a blurb on ol' Daniel Boone and what he encountered when he served in Congress.

rowdee  posted on  2008-11-13   12:19:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: James Deffenbach (#68)

While it is true that we can do some things they can't, it is also true they can do some things we can't. And we (men and women) need each other.

You nailed that right.........otherwise all these wimmen-hating men on here would be GAY!!!! QUEERS! HOMOSEXUALS!!

ROTFLMAO!

rowdee  posted on  2008-11-13   12:21:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: rowdee, All 4um Wimmen (#102)

In your 'more to come' column(s) on socialism beginning with wimmen, be sure to do a blurb on ol' Daniel Boone and what he encountered when he served in Congress.

Funny.

Not one single woman on this forum will admit the truth.

Will any of you admit the truth when presented with the facts ?

I doubt it. Y'all are just as bad as the rest when it comes to owning up to truth.

You'd think a place like this would have more realists.

So it seems. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   12:24:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Rotara (#67) (Edited)

Can anyone PLEASE name 1 (ONE) freakin minority in America that doesn't vote Socialist/Communist/Marxist/Lefty/Progressive ????

Cubans as well as older Eastern Europeans like Czechs and Ukies and Poles and their first generation children?

I'll grant you that blacks, Jews, Third World immigrants represent solid voting blocks for Dems. Catholics used to get swayed on the religion issue - Kennedy - but I don't think that's the case anymore ( Kerry, Biden) because the Catholic politicians running for office believe in abortion as well as partial birth abortion.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-13   12:28:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Rotara (#104)

I'd certainly have to have a lot more information than just your say so before I'd agree. I don't hold much stock by what an obvious hater says. Sorry, but just the facts as I see them. Hate distorts so much.

rowdee  posted on  2008-11-13   12:31:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: rowdee (#103)

NO! Must apply anti-faggot image to save thread:

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-11-13   12:32:49 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Rotara (#104)

BTW, I was not trying to be funny. I was making the point that 'socialism' was around long before wimmen voted.

rowdee  posted on  2008-11-13   12:33:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: X-15 (#107)

She's a cutie......you have good taste, it seems. Either that or I've ignored a lot of your graphics. :)

rowdee  posted on  2008-11-13   12:34:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: scrapper2 (#105)

Can anyone PLEASE name 1 (ONE) freakin minority in America that doesn't vote Socialist/Communist/Marxist/Lefty/Progressive ????

Cubans?

Nope.

Barack Obama locks down the Cuban vote

While a lot of political reporters have been focusing on the swing-voting Cuban-Americans of South Florida, NBC News decided to go one further... and ask actual Cubans about the U.S. Presidential race!

Turns out they're not exactly swing-voters.

Hands-down, the average Cuban prefers Obama to McCain – believing that he is the more likely candidate to loosen trade and travel restrictions while engaging the Cuban government.

In our own informal NBC News survey of 100 people in downtown Havana, 63 said they preferred Obama to McCain, two preferred McCain, 13 had no preference and 22 declined to answer.

Yikes! So that's 63% to 2%. Makes even the poll numbers in Vermont look tight.

The average Cuban seems to be more enthusiastic about Obama than is their leader, Fidel Castro, who endorsed the Democrat for the presidency back in May, but only because he was "the most-advanced candidate."

John McCain shouldn't be too worried about these developments. First of all, citizens of Cuba aren't allowed to vote in U.S. elections.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   12:34:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: rowdee (#106)

I'd certainly have to have a lot more information than just your say so before I'd agree. I don't hold much stock by what an obvious hater says. Sorry, but just the facts as I see them. Hate distorts so much.

lol

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   12:35:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: rowdee (#108)

I was making the point that 'socialism' was around long before wimmen voted.

Yes it was, and it just needed one more voting block in America (blacks several decades later on) to make it happen.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   12:37:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Rotara (#110)

John McCain shouldn't be too worried about these developments. First of all, citizens of Cuba aren't allowed to vote in U.S. elections.

First of all, from your comments: "While a lot of political reporters have been focusing on the swing-voting Cuban-Americans of South Florida, ...

In other words, they vote both left and right....they're not locked into YOUR stupid classifications, i.e., socialists blah blah blah.

rowdee  posted on  2008-11-13   12:38:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: X-15 (#107)

I've never tired of that graphic.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   12:38:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: rowdee (#113)

lol

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   12:38:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Rotara (#112)

Oh geeze.........where's my friggin violin?

rowdee  posted on  2008-11-13   12:39:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: All (#110)

Hands-down, the average Cuban prefers Obama to McCain

Obama Wins Florida's Hispanic Vote

Nov 5 2008 10:00PM

Casey Woods

President-elect Obama

Marking a historic shift, Sen. Barack Obama won a majority of Florida's Hispanic vote statewide and nearly tied Sen. John McCain in Miami-Dade, where Republicans had long dominated the Hispanic vote.

No Democratic presidential candidate had ever achieved either milestone since the exit polling of Hispanics first began in the 1980s, pollsters say.

Nationwide, Obama won the Hispanic vote by a wider margin, garnering 66 percent to McCain's 32 percent, according to the Pew Hispanic Center.

In Florida, Obama won 57 percent of the Hispanics on Tuesday, compared to 42 percent for McCain, according to exit polling by Bendixen & Associates, a Democratic pollster.

By comparison, President Bush won 55 percent of the state's Hispanic vote to John Kerry's 44 percent in 2004, according to exit polls.

Polls indicate the state's Hispanic vote may now be divided. On one side are conservative older Cuban Americans, who vote reliably Republican. On the other are younger Cuban Americans coupled with an expanding number of non-Cuban Hispanics, who tend to lean Democratic.

"This is a demographic revolution happening in Miami-Dade County," said Fernand Amandi of Bendixen & Associates, which has been heralding a Hispanic electoral shift for years.

According to Bendixen's exit polls, Obama won 35 percent of the Cuban-American vote in Miami-Dade County, nearly 10 points higher than Kerry's showing in 2004. Within that community, the generational difference was stark. For example, 84 percent of Miami-Dade Cuban-American voters 65 or older backed McCain, while 55 percent of those 29 or younger backed Obama.

For evidence of the potential divide among Cuban Americans, consider Miami's Pujol family.

FAMILY DYNAMICS
Alexandra Palomo-Pujol, 24, helped persuade her mother Rose, a lifelong Republican, to back Obama -- but those arguments failed with her grandparents, who emigrated from Cuba in 1959.

"Over three generations, we grew up in completely different places and we all see things differently and it's hard to see eye-to-eye," said Palomo-Pujol, an executive assistant. "It's hard not to have those differences change the most important relationships in your life."

The family's debates over the election at times ended in slammed doors and days spent without speaking, Palomo-Pujol said.

Her grandfather Jose Luis Pujol regularly called into Cuban-American radio shows before the election, telling listeners that an Obama victory would mean that soon the little pioneros would be part of the U.S. education system. The "pioneers" are the children in Cuba's communist education system who are taught to support the revolution with mottoes such as "we will be like Che [Guevara]."

Meanwhile, Rose Pujol, 53, became an enthusiastic Obama supporter, attending the Democratic Convention, volunteering for the Florida campaign and putting up a life-size cutout of Obama in her Coconut Grove offices.

When she went to tell her parents that she and her daughters were backing the Democratic candidate, they were appalled.

"I could see the hair rising up on their arms, even though I kept telling them that it's OK to realize 50 years later that the party you're part of needs to be revamped," Pujol said.

Despite the political divide in families like the Pujols, Cuban-American political observers say this year's presidential election did not signal a departure from the past.

Mauricio Claver-Carone, a leading embargo lobbyist, said the polls suggest Cubans may have simply voted with their pocketbooks in the presidential contest and cast traditional votes for Miami-Dade's three long-standing Cuban-American lawmakers -- Ileana Ros-Lehtinen and Mario and Lincoln Diaz-Balart -- to hold the line on Cuba sanctions.

"The message from the community was clearly a reaffirmation of the Cuba policy. There's no doubt about it," Claver-Carone said. "They were comfortable taking the risk with an unknown president, but they've got the insurance policy, per se, with the members of Congress."

CONGRESSIONAL RACE
But Jeff Garcia, campaign manager for Raul Martinez, Lincoln Diaz-Balart's opponent, said his candidate lost the race among non-Hispanic whites in Broward County -- not Cuban Americans. Although Obama captured 65 percent of Broward voters, Martinez got only half. The congressional district includes Hialeah and southwest Broward.

Yet in all three congressional contests, the subject of Cuba -- be it the decades-old embargo, lifting travel restrictions or Fidel and Raul Castro -- rarely arose on the campaign trail or over the television airwaves.

This was especially true among the growing non-Cuban Hispanic communities that contributed to Obama's victory.

That group has swelled the voter rolls in recent years with largely Democratic or independent voters. Statewide, Hispanic Democrats now outnumber Hispanic Republicans, 513,000 to 445,000.

The stark differences among the communities in Miami-Dade were apparent in a precinct-by-precinct analysis.

Stretching west along Flagler through Sweetwater, and in Hialeah, the mostly Cuban voters came out more than 2-to-1 for McCain. Not so in West Kendall, Doral, downtown Miami and Homestead, where non-Cuban Hispanics dominate. Obama won them all.

"I think ultimately Obama was able to connect with Hispanics because they were able to identify with what he stands for, because his story is the story of every immigrant," said Colombian-American Nelson Hincapie, 35, of Miami.

Hincapie wasn't always an enthusiastic Obama supporter. Like many Latin American immigrants, he was also concerned about how his vote might affect his South American homeland. He was planning to vote for McCain because of Obama's opposition to the free trade agreement with Colombia.

In the end, his doubts about McCain's ability to handle the rigors of the presidency led him to support Obama.

He eventually volunteered for the Democrat's campaign with several of his Colombian-American friends -- voters who had wanted to back McCain.

"The truth of the matter is we live here, our kids are here, and we have to think about that when we're voting," he said.

Miami Herald staff writers Lesley Clark and Rob Barry contributed to this report.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   12:42:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: rowdee (#116)

More wimmen in America are Socialists than not. Always have been.

Deal with it.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   12:43:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Rotara (#117)

Polls indicate the state's Hispanic vote may now be divided. On one side are conservative older Cuban Americans, who vote reliably Republican. On the other are younger Cuban Americans coupled with an expanding number of non-Cuban Hispanics, who tend to lean Democratic.

Okay, so older Cubans are considered reliable GOP voters. Younger Cubans and Central/South American Hispanics are voting Dem - younger Cubans are removed from Castro realspeak and Hispanics tend to be socialist leaning and especially so based on shamnesty promises of the Dem Party. I think I read that once Hispanics' income goes up and they become established middle class, they are not predictable Dem voters.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-13   12:56:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: rowdee (#108)

'socialism' was around long before wimmen voted.

Indeed...

Dont look now but the oldest SOCIALIST PROGRAM in this country is the public school system.

Always has been. And all of us took advantage of it

Socialism is the offspring of capitalism, one and the same.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-13   12:57:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: scrapper2 (#119)

Even the Cubans are become a lost cause.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   13:07:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Cynicom (#120)

Dont look now but the oldest SOCIALIST PROGRAM in this country is the public school system.

Always has been. And all of us took advantage of it

Like bloody hell !

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   13:08:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Cynicom (#120)

Socialism is the offspring of capitalism, one and the same.

No.

"Capitalists" abandoned core guiding principles and ended up wedded to the state.

Corp.Gov was certainly designed, but your statement is patently false.

Once again:

Has Capitalism Failed? Daily Article by Ron Paul | Posted on 4/16/2008

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   13:10:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Rotara (#121)

"Even the Cubans are become a lost cause."

Wrong verb. You mean have, not are. You're welcome.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-11-13   13:11:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: All (#123)

"Capitalism didn't give us this crisis of confidence now existing in the corporate world. The lack of free markets and sound money did. Congress does have a role to play, but it's not proactive. Congress's job is to get out of the way."

Has Capitalism Failed?

Daily Article by

| Posted on 4/16/2008

[This article is excerpted from Part I of Pillars of Prosperity. An MP3 audio file of this article, read by Dr. Floy Lilley, is available for download.]

Congressional Record — US House of Representatives July 9, 2002

It is now commonplace and politically correct to blame what is referred to as the excesses of capitalism for the economic problems we face, and especially for the Wall Street fraud that dominates the business news. Politicians are having a field day with demagoguing the issue while, of course, failing to address the fraud and deceit found in the budgetary shenanigans of the federal government — for which they are directly responsible. Instead, it gives the Keynesian crowd that runs the show a chance to attack free markets and ignore the issue of sound money.

So once again we hear the chant: "Capitalism has failed; we need more government controls over the entire financial market." No one asks why the billions that have been spent and thousands of pages of regulations that have been written since the last major attack on capitalism in the 1930s didn't prevent the fraud and deception of Enron, WorldCom, and Global Crossings. That failure surely couldn't have come from a dearth of regulations.

What is distinctively absent is any mention that all financial bubbles are saturated with excesses in hype, speculation, debt, greed, fraud, gross errors in investment judgment, carelessness on the part of analysts and investors, huge paper profits, conviction that a new era economy has arrived and, above all else, pie-in-the-sky expectations.

When the bubble is inflating, there are no complaints. When it bursts, the blame game begins. This is especially true in the age of victimization, and is done on a grand scale. It quickly becomes a philosophic, partisan, class, generational, and even a racial issue. While avoiding the real cause, all the finger pointing makes it difficult to resolve the crisis and further undermines the principles upon which freedom and prosperity rest.

Nixon was right — once — when he declared "We're all Keynesians now." All of Washington is in sync in declaring that too much capitalism has brought us to where we are today. The only decision now before the central planners in Washington is whose special interests will continue to benefit from the coming pretense at reform. The various special interests will be lobbying heavily like the Wall Street investors, the corporations, the military-industrial complex, the banks, the workers, the unions, the farmers, the politicians, and everybody else.

"The only decision now before the central planners in Washington is whose special interests will continue to benefit from the coming pretense at reform."

But what is not discussed is the actual cause and perpetration of the excesses now unraveling at a frantic pace. This same response occurred in the 1930s in the United States as our policy makers responded to the very similar excesses that developed and collapsed in 1929. Because of the failure to understand the problem then, the depression was prolonged. These mistakes allowed our current problems to develop to a much greater degree. Consider the failure to come to grips with the cause of the 1980s bubble, as Japan's economy continues to linger at no-growth and recession level, with their stock market at approximately one-fourth of its peak 13 years ago. If we're not careful — and so far we've not been — we will make the same errors that will prevent the correction needed before economic growth can be resumed.

In the 1930s, it was quite popular to condemn the greed of capitalism, the gold standard, lack of regulation, and a lack government insurance on bank deposits for the disaster. Businessmen became the scapegoat. Changes were made as a result, and the welfare/warfare state was institutionalized. Easy credit became the holy grail of monetary policy, especially under Alan Greenspan, "the ultimate Maestro." Today, despite the presumed protection from these government programs built into the system, we find ourselves in a bigger mess than ever before. The bubble is bigger, the boom lasted longer, and the gold price has been deliberately undermined as an economic signal. Monetary inflation continues at a rate never seen before in a frantic effort to prop up stock prices and continue the housing bubble, while avoiding the consequences that inevitably come from easy credit. This is all done because we are unwilling to acknowledge that current policy is only setting the stage for a huge drop in the value of the dollar. Everyone fears it, but no one wants to deal with it.

Ignorance, as well as disapproval for the natural restraints placed on market excesses that capitalism and sound markets impose, cause our present leaders to reject capitalism and blame it for all the problems we face. If this fallacy is not corrected and capitalism is even further undermined, the prosperity that the free market generates will be destroyed.

Corruption and fraud in the accounting practices of many companies are coming to light. There are those who would have us believe this is an integral part of free-market capitalism. If we did have free-market capitalism, there would be no guarantees that some fraud wouldn't occur. When it did, it would then be dealt with by local law-enforcement authority and not by the politicians in Congress, who had their chance to "prevent" such problems but chose instead to politicize the issue, while using the opportunity to promote more useless Keynesian regulations.

Capitalism should not be condemned, since we haven't had capitalism. A system of capitalism presumes sound money, not fiat money manipulated by a central bank. Capitalism cherishes voluntary contracts and interest rates that are determined by savings, not credit creation by a central bank. It's not capitalism when the system is plagued with incomprehensible rules regarding mergers, acquisitions, and stock sales, along with wage controls, price controls, protectionism, corporate subsidies, international management of trade, complex and punishing corporate taxes, privileged government contracts to the military-industrial complex, and a foreign policy controlled by corporate interests and overseas investments. Add to this centralized federal mismanagement of farming, education, medicine, insurance, banking and welfare. This is not capitalism!

To condemn free-market capitalism because of anything going on today makes no sense. There is no evidence that capitalism exists today. We are deeply involved in an interventionist-planned economy that allows major benefits to accrue to the politically connected of both political parties. One may condemn the fraud and the current system, but it must be called by its proper names — Keynesian inflationism, interventionism, and corporatism.

What is not discussed is that the current crop of bankruptcies reveals that the blatant distortions and lies emanating from years of speculative orgy were predictable.

First, Congress should be investigating the federal government's fraud and deception in accounting, especially in reporting future obligations such as Social Security, and how the monetary system destroys wealth. Those problems are bigger than anything in the corporate world and are the responsibility of Congress. Besides, it's the standard set by the government and the monetary system it operates that are major contributing causes to all that's wrong on Wall Street today. Where fraud does exist, it's a state rather than a federal matter, and state authorities can enforce these laws without any help from Congress.

"We are unwilling to acknowledge that current policy is only setting the stage for a huge drop in the value of the dollar. Everyone fears it, but no one wants to deal with it."
– Ron Paul, 2002

Second, we do know why financial bubbles occur, and we know from history that they are routinely associated with speculation, excessive debt, wild promises, greed, lying, and cheating. These problems were described by quite a few observers as the problems were developing throughout the 1990s, but the warnings were ignored for one reason. Everybody was making a killing and no one cared, and those who were reminded of history were reassured by the Fed chairman that "this time" a new economic era had arrived and not to worry. Productivity increases, it was said, could explain it all.

But now we know that's just not so. Speculative bubbles and all that we've been witnessing are a consequence of huge amounts of easy credit, created out of thin air by the Federal Reserve. We've had essentially no savings, which is one of the most significant driving forces in capitalism. The illusion created by low interest rates perpetuates the bubble and all the bad stuff that goes along with it. And that's not a fault of capitalism. We are dealing with a system of inflationism and interventionism that always produces a bubble economy that must end badly.

So far the assessment made by the administration, Congress, and the Fed bodes badly for our economic future. All they offer is more of the same, which can't possibly help. All it will do is drive us closer to national bankruptcy, a sharply lower dollar, and a lower standard of living for most Americans, as well as less freedom for everyone.

This is a bad scenario that need not happen. But preserving our system is impossible if the critics are allowed to blame capitalism and sound monetary policy is rejected. More spending, more debt, more easy credit, more distortion of interest rates, more regulations on everything, and more foreign meddling will soon force us into the very uncomfortable position of deciding the fate of our entire political system.

If we were to choose freedom and capitalism, we would restore our dollar to a commodity or a gold standard. Federal spending would be reduced, income taxes would be lowered, and no taxes would be levied upon savings, dividends, and capital gains. Regulations would be reduced, special-interest subsidies would be stopped, and no protectionist measures would be permitted. Our foreign policy would change, and we would bring our troops home.

We cannot depend on government to restore trust to the markets; only trustworthy people can do that. Actually, the lack of trust in Wall Street executives is healthy because it is deserved and prompts caution. The same lack of trust in politicians, the budgetary process, and the monetary system would serve as a healthy incentive for the reform in government we need.

Markets regulate better than governments can. Depending on government regulations to protect us significantly contributes to the bubble mentality.

These moves would produce the climate for releasing the creative energy necessary to simply serve consumers, which is what capitalism is all about. The system that inevitably breeds the corporate-government cronyism that created our current ongoing disaster would end.

Capitalism didn't give us this crisis of confidence now existing in the corporate world. The lack of free markets and sound money did. Congress does have a role to play, but it's not proactive. Congress's job is to get out of the way.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   13:13:14 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: ferret mike (#124)

Wrong verb. You mean have, not are. You're welcome.

I do that occasionally to see what Nanny Stater panty waist will do exactly what you just did. Good work.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   13:14:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Rotara (#126)

Thanks for exercising some politesse.

Now, if you look at my post, I don't say 'you should of used,' I prompted with a 'you mean,' so if there was a specific purpose to the way you framed the sentence, you could share it with us.

My point here is you really are wired to fight wherever and whenever you exchange posts with anyone remotely disagreeing with you.

Thanks also for allowing me to make this point as well.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-11-13   13:18:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Ferret Mike (#127)

Typical Nanny Stater, sticking his ferret nose in where it doesn't belong.

You lying TRAITOR.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-11-13   13:25:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Elliott Jackalope (#92) (Edited)

You know, the current breast beating, tub thumping caterwauling WHINING of the right is too much, blame everyone except the prime originators of the philosophy, Milton Friedman and his acolyte Greenspan, who got the opportunity to put their policies into play under Reagan.

Talk show hosts like Limbum make it sound that Bawney Fwank singlehandedly engineered the whole fiasco. Sure he did, aided by both Dems like Biden and Hoyer and the whole cabal of Republicans like Gramm et al. Clinton and the recent dem congress both deregulated willynilly, even outdoing Repubs at times. Hoyer's screwing of Americans with his gifts to the credit industry, and even helped by Biden, who wasn't happy having done the work of the DEA and author of the infamous crack/powder discrepancies and mandatory sentencing.

The current self victimisation (isn't that a hoot - I thought conservative were not into the cult of victimisation, LOL!) invokes in me memories of Communists, their apologists and fellow travelers, who claimed True Communism was never given a chance to work, it was hijacked and waylaid by Stalin or Mao or Hoxha or whoever.

Now we blame Congress, or bureaucrats or the magnetic fields, because true deregulation never took place or was stymied, hijacked by evil powerful forces that left the Republicans, often in power, simply helpless like virginal maidens surrounded by rampaging Vikings.

Funny how today's American economic conservatives exhibit an uncanny resemblance to unreconstructed Communists.

Mirror, mirror on the wall, whose the whiniest fucks of all!

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-11-13   13:37:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: rowdee (#99)

Bingo, your post, envy not only at her looks, poise, demeanout but at her husband too.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-11-13   13:40:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: rowdee (#99)

thank you, dee. that was sweet.

There are no warlike people--just warlike leaders. – Ralph Bunche

christine  posted on  2008-11-13   13:54:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Rotara (#122)

Always has been. And all of us took advantage of it

Like bloody hell

That is for sure, rotara...........one only has to read your comments and find that you, for one, did not take advantage of any of it.

rowdee  posted on  2008-11-13   16:45:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: christine (#131)

Tis how I feel, Chrissie........after I wrote it I was smilin and thinking, something along these lines: "Remember back when all the guys were panting and raving bout AC, and the pic with her/him/it with a guy was really 'turn on' material! That skinny-ass, knockneed, mouthy broad/male/dike is enough to gag a maggot."

And they whine about Sarah.........LOLOLOLOL!

rowdee  posted on  2008-11-13   16:55:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: rowdee (#132)

That is for sure, rotara...........one only has to read your comments and find that you, for one, did not take advantage of any of it.

zzzzzzingggggg...

scrapper2  posted on  2008-11-13   17:08:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: rowdee (#99)

Sarah Palin has a nice body--especially for one having had 5 kids, and her willingness to do what it takes to maintain same nice body; she has good facial and hair features--her skin appears near flawless and her hair is more than ample. EVEN with glasses, she looks great, as they are of a design that actually enhance her eyes!

Old Friend  posted on  2008-11-13   17:09:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: swarthyguy (#129)

Funny how today's American economic conservatives exhibit an uncanny resemblance to unreconstructed Communists.

Not to mention how, left to their own devices, Capitalism and Communism seem to both arrive at the same miserable destination: A nation utterly looted of productive capacity, with a very few people at the very top of the pyramid having nearly complete control of the entire economy, and everyone else is reduced to serfdom, if they're lucky.

Once again, I look around at the rest of the world, and look at what has actually worked in the real world, and I personally am of the opinion that we could learn a LOT from the governments of Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark. Yes, that means that I think we should seriously consider embracing Democratic Socialism. For saying this, I have been subjected to the vilest invective from supposedly "God-Fearing" people on this forum. No matter. I've spoken the truth as I see it. If others can't see my point, I'm not going to labor the subject.

Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2008-11-13   18:06:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Elliott Jackalope (#136)

embracing Democratic Socialism.

No thanks commie.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-11-13   18:09:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: Old Friend (#137)

You have the right to disagree, and I have the right to call you a fascist. Go stomp around in your jackboots for a while, it will make you feel better.

Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2008-11-13   18:10:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: Elliott Jackalope (#136)

I personally am of the opinion that we could learn a LOT from the governments of Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark. Yes, that means that I think we should seriously consider embracing Democratic Socialism

It only appears to work because they are of the same ethnicity.

This socialism stuff like democracy doesn't work on multi ethnic states..

Lady X  posted on  2008-11-13   18:17:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Old Friend (#137) (Edited)

Not to mention how, left to their own devices, Capitalism and Communism seem to both arrive at the same miserable destination: A nation utterly looted of productive capacity, with a very few people at the very top of the pyramid having nearly complete control of the entire economy, and everyone else is reduced to serfdom, if they're lucky.

Just out of curiosity, what part of that paragraph did you not understand before you decided to call me a "commie"? Did I not make it clear enough? Perhaps I should have utilized the writing techniques of Theodore Geisel so that somone such as yourself could better understand? Maybe if I put my arguments in simple rhyme, carefully eschewing multi-syllable words and a vocabulary beyond the ability of a half- bright second grader to understand then perhaps you would better comprehend my point? Really, I'd like to know. Just how dumbed-down do I have to phrase things before people like you can understand what I'm trying to say? Do I aim for the reading level of "Cat in the Hat" or maybe I can aspire to elevate my prose to the level of "Horton Hears a Who"?

Perhaps I need to start writing in anapestic tetrameter. Maybe then people will better understand me.

Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2008-11-13   18:19:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Elliott Jackalope (#136)

we could learn a LOT from the governments of Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark. Yes, that means that I think we should seriously consider embracing Democratic Socialism.

The muslim scum are flocking to those nations for that very reason: the white man hands out EVERYTHING they need to survive, including nubile white Nordic women for them to rape, beat, and murder. You DID know about that, didn't you??? No thanks, those governments are too gentile and politically-correct to confront the horrible truth of muslim terrorism within their own borders. We give the muslim immigrants to America too much as it is, I wouldn't want to give them any more reason to come here and plague us with their filthy existence.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-11-13   18:25:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: Rotara (#85)

Listening about it on the AJ show rerun.

Pretty sad stuff.

I knew something was up when the mens clothing department at Macy's got it's own floor. ;)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-13   21:31:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: rowdee (#100)

Damn......you are good!! :)

Thanks Rowdee! :)

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-13   21:32:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: rowdee (#101)

Egads, lady.......do you suspect that this is a throwback to the most basic of instincts in nature, that is, that the males attempt to wipe out other males so they have the wimmen all to themselves?

No, it's for the shoes. Better get a bike lock for your pink feather wedgies as well. hehehehehehehe

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-13   21:34:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: rowdee (#99) (Edited)

I believe a large part is the envy/jealous phenomena.

I have to say the only wimmens I have seen tearing her apart *in the media* are IMO LIKELY doing so because Palin presented a perceived threat to the dem ticket. Then when she had the gall to trot out kids and a hard working hub, that sent the lesbo's into orbit. Not no but hell no would some heartland, 'g' droppin' you bethcha gal steal the mantle of first wammen VP, or snatch a grand moment in all of Earths history and the entire galaxy from Obongo.

So, if you use crowd size as a measure, she brought life to the parade of zombies. I see they started hocking coins with BO'S face on them a couple days after the election. Gee, the whole thing was such a nail-biter./s

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-13   21:55:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: Elliott Jackalope (#136)

Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark.

they are much smaller countries, not militarized, and homogeneous. i wish secession were possible.

There are no warlike people--just warlike leaders. – Ralph Bunche

christine  posted on  2008-11-13   22:08:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: Elliott Jackalope (#140)

"anapestic tetrameter"

*GASP!*

No! No! Anything but that! Have mercy.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-11-13   22:13:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: OliviaFNewton (#145)

Then when she had the gall to trot out kids and a hard working hub, that sent the lesbo's into orbit. Not no but hell no would some heartland, 'g' droppin' you bethcha gal steal the mantle of first wammen VP, or snatch a grand moment in all of Earths history and the entire galaxy from Obongo.

Ain't it so. She should embrace her Alaskan independence background and tear into the D.C. bunch who crapped all over her. And that includes McCain, she took a lot of heat that should have fell on his shoulders.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-11-13   22:20:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: Ferret Mike (#147)

Check out the article titled "The Little Pigs in the Village of the Wrecked Economy" that I just posted. I made that just for the "special people" here on the forum.

Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2008-11-13   22:24:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: X-15 (#148)

Ain't it so. She should embrace her Alaskan independence background and tear into the D.C. bunch who crapped all over her. And that includes McCain, she took a lot of heat that should have fell on his shoulders.

Very true. As for her future in politics, I actually hope she tends to her job in Alaska, sits through and studies the impending meltdown, stays upwind, and storms the gates another day. I think the 'party' is sucking her in to finish her off.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-13   22:40:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: OliviaFNewton (#150) (Edited)

Palin should beware speeding unmarked buses.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-11-13   22:44:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: rowdee, christine (#99)

I look at her as I look at our Chrissie. Brains and beauty combined in one package are great and to be able to call such a combo my friend is greater.

Yeah, but the burning question is does she have any rich, exuberant, naughty but nice, unattached high I.Q. friends looking for a charming Househusband who knows which fork to use, how to converse at the dinner table, and is not uncomfortable in a Tux?

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-11-13   22:45:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: Cynicom (#151)

Palin should beware speeding unmarked buses.

Can't be too careful.

OliviaFNewton  posted on  2008-11-13   22:48:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: Original_Intent (#152)

I would imagine that the potential househusband should be making contact directly with the governor regarding that matter. I doubt the librals will bring that up, for fear such a potential could turn into a reality, which could mean multipication tables in the future--against them, they'd perceive it to be.

rowdee  posted on  2008-11-13   22:48:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: christine (#146)

they are much smaller countries, not militarized, and homogeneous. i wish secession were possible.

Unless they keep it hidden really well the small countries which are comprised mainly of one race and with one predominant culture have the least crime. At least that is how it appears--polyglot countries are all crime ridden and get worse all the time.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-11-13   22:58:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: Original_Intent (#152)

Yeah, but the burning question is does she have any rich, exuberant, naughty but nice, unattached high I.Q. friends looking for a charming Househusband who knows which fork to use, how to converse at the dinner table, and is not uncomfortable in a Tux?

in a word, no. ;)

There are no warlike people--just warlike leaders. – Ralph Bunche

christine  posted on  2008-11-13   23:21:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: christine (#156)

How about if I drop the tux and go for my preferred Khakis and Safari Shirt? Rich is negotiable - moderately well off and reserved works. ;-)

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-11-14   0:22:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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