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Title: Torture – Yes We Can? (Obama now pro-torture)
Source: antiwar.com
URL Source: http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13762
Published: Nov 14, 2008
Author: Justin Raimondo
Post Date: 2008-11-14 09:11:28 by F.A. Hayek Fan
Keywords: None
Views: 222
Comments: 20

Obama and the national security question: the sellout accelerates

Most politicians wait at least until they've been sworn in before they start breaking their campaign promises. In this sense, as in so many others, Barack Obama represents an entirely new phenomenon: the politician who preemptively reneges.

A recent Wall Street Journal piece describing the transition process as it relates to intelligence-gathering reveals we aren't going to see much change in this vitally important realm, the one in which the Bush administration truly made its blackest mark. This will "create tension within the Democratic party," we are told, apparently because even the worst party hacks will have a hard time going along with the revised Obama Doctrine on the issue of torture.

According to the Journal, Obama's advisors on intelligence matters are "centrists" in the Clinton mold and outright Republicans, who favor torture "with oversight." These, we are told, are the "pragmatists," likely candidates for positions in Obama's national security bureaucracy. "He's going to take a very centrist approach to these issues," avers Roger Cressey, who served as a counter-terrorism official under Clinton as well as Bush II.

It's a grotesque commentary on the moral health of the nation when advocacy of torture is considered "centrist." One shudders to imagine what it means to be right-of-center.

A big problem for the pro-torture faction of Team Obama, however, is their Leader's pronouncements on this subject during the campaign, when he came out unequivocally against "'enhanced interrogation techniques' like simulated drowning that qualify as torture through any careful measure of the law or appeal to human decency."

Human decency and government, however, are opposites in a dichotomy. Now that the Obama-ites have the power, all the pious rhetoric and self-righteousness of the Bush-hating Obama-loving "progressives" falls by the wayside, like so much confetti, to be swept up and trashed the morning after the election. It's an old story, but true – and yet with a rather grotesque twist that is all too indicative of the age we live in.

After all, we are talking about torture, here, the apotheosis of barbarism – and the signature issue of the sort of limousine liberals who just adore the Dear Leader, and wouldn't think of criticizing him in public, especially this early on. This betrayal is a real slap in the face to these people, and one wonders if it will sting enough to provoke a reaction.

So how will Obama's cheerleaders square this circle, and reconcile his campaign pronouncements with the emerging reality? The Journal avers that, just as he said he was against providing immunity to telecom companies that permitted illegal spying on thousands of Americans, yet voted for it, so he could finesse the torture issue in an all too familiar fashion:

"The new president could take a similar approach to revising the rules for CIA interrogations, said one current government official familiar with the transition. Upon review, Mr. Obama may decide he wants to keep the road open in certain cases for the CIA to use techniques not approved by the military, but with much greater oversight."

The elastic Obama doll is stretching to the breaking point – but, then again, everybody has their own breaking point. Mine came well before this, it's true, but surely such a slimy attempt to slink around the black-and-white issue of torture has got to shock Obama's supporters, many of whom, I realize, are big fans of this web site.

In the mainstream media and its blogospheric extensions, Obama's loyal partisans have so far confined themselves to ordinary apologetics: touting Rahm Emanuel's "toughness" while ignoring his pro-war pro-DLC bias as head of the party's national congressional campaign committee, and mumbling "Brent Scowcroft" under their breath in explaining away the likelihood of Robert Gates staying on at Defense. How will they spin the persistence of Jack Bauer in Obama-World?

Oh well, that's their problem. Ours' is finding out who's behind all this, and figuring out how to stop it. In this regard, the Journal informs us:

"The intelligence-transition team is led by former National Counterterrorism Center chief John Brennan and former CIA intelligence-analysis director Jami Miscik, say officials close to the matter. Mr. Brennan is viewed as a potential candidate for a top intelligence post. Ms. Miscik left amid a slew of departures from the CIA under then-Director Porter Goss."

Who are these people? Well, go here if you want to see a dress rehearsal for Obama's climb-down on torture, given by Brennan in an interview last year, in which he agrees that waterboarding, for example, is torture, and "should be prohibited," but then comes back and says:

"There has been a lot of information that has come out from these interrogation procedures that the agency has, in fact, used against the real hardcore terrorists. It has saved lives. And let's not forget, these are hardened terrorists who have been responsible for 9/11, who have shown no remorse at all for the death of 3,000 innocents."

So which is it – to torture or not to torture?

Brennan, by the way, is the former head of the National Counterterrorism Center, a former deputy executive director of the CIA, and is being talked about as a leading candidate for CIA chief. He is also CEO of the Analysis Corporation, a company that employs many former intelligence officials: it was an employee of Analysis, you'll remember, who was caught prying into the passport records of prominent persons – including Obama and John McCain. The company insisted at the time that the whole affair was an "isolated incident." And now their CEO is in the running for CIA chief. Welcome to Bizarro World – please check your hat, and your rationality, at the door.

As for Ms. Miscik, none other than she was in charge of intelligence analysis in 2002, when the big debate about Iraq's alleged "weapons of mass destruction" reached its crescendo, and the War Party was howling that Al Qaeda and Iraq were working hand-in-hand. Both these fantasies were pushed by Miscik, who outflanked the CIA's Mideast directorate and handed the job of intelligence assessment over to her compliant flunkies within the "counterrorism" community. A two-year old piece in Salon by Spencer Ackerman describes Miscik's role:

"CIA analysts prepared a report titled ‘Iraq and al-Qaida: Assessing a Murky Relationship.' Or at least a few of them did. Circulated that June, as the administration sought rationales for an invasion of Iraq, the report excluded the assessments of the agency's Near East and South Asia (NESA) office, which generally cast doubt on either an existing or a prospective alliance between Saddam and Osama bin Laden. The paper was chiefly the product of the CIA's terrorism analysts, who explained that their approach was ‘purposefully aggressive in seeking to draw connections, on the assumption that any indication of a relationship between these two elements could carry great dangers.' Jami Miscik, the CIA's deputy director for intelligence, told Senate Intelligence Committee investigators that the paper was intended to ‘stretch to the maximum the evidence you had.' The exclusion of NESA prompted an inquiry by the agency's ombudsman into politicization."

A profile of Miscik in Fortune documenting her career change from CIA to Wall Street, published in the summer of 2007, avers

"Ex-CIA Intelligence Chief Jami Miscik was wrong about WMD in Iraq. But in her new career, Lehman Brothers depends on her to say where it's safe to put billions. An exclusive tale of intrigue and redemption"!

From George Tenet's CIA to Lehman Brothers – from intellectual bankruptcy to financial bankruptcy – in a year's time is a narrative of daunting consistency, albeit not one that bodes well for the competence of the incoming administration.

This just isn't about torture: it's about how we gather intelligence, and to what end. Brennan and Miscik are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Far more important than whether Joe Lieberman is allowed to keep his chairmanship of the Senate Intelligence Committee is whether these two are going to be allowed to determine the shape of intelligence policy for the next four years.

You aren't hearing about any of this from the "mainstream" news media and the left-wing of the blogosphere – with certain stellar exceptions – because of the red-state/blue state mindset that still persists, in spite of Obama's explicit rejection of the "old politics." MSNBC, for example, has turned into a blue state version of Fox News, with its openly adulatory "reporting" on the Obama transition, and systematic denigration of the President-elect's critics. Don't expect to see the torture issue brought up by Rachel Maddow – and Keith Olbermann would rather join a Trappist monastery than utter one word about it.

That's why Antiwar.com's continued survival is so important – and why the fundraising campaign, which we launched a couple of days ago, and which is still lagging far behind its goal, is such a crucial test. We are going against the tide in raising these concerns, and we know it – yet someone has to speak truth to power, and that's our job, after all. It always has been.

We're paying a price for our apostasy, however, and that's evident in the lagging thermometer that shows how much money we've raised so far. The Obama fan club, you can be certain, has bombarded us with letters of protest, objecting to "attacks" on their hero, and vowing not to give us a penny.

Well then, so be it. We're standing up for principle – and the principle of no torture under any circumstances is not negotiable.

It is indicative of the emerging problem with Obama and his advisors that this has even come up at all. It's a moral question that cannot be finessed, or slithered around. Torture – you're either for it, or agin' it, and here's no two ways about it.

The re-emergence of the torture issue is indicative of Obama's chief weakness, and that is a weakness of character – his indecisiveness. Combined with his seemingly innate caution, this tendency could be paralyzing – and will certainly be a major obstacle in the way of any significant change.

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#1. To: All (#0)

The republicrat-democan transition is taking place sooner than I thought it would. At this rate the democans will be completely pro-war and republicrats anti-war before Obama even gets into office.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-11-14   9:13:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#0)

Meet the new boss....same as the old boss.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-11-14   9:17:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Hayek Fan (#1)

The republicrat-democan transition is taking place sooner than I thought it would

same here. i have to admit i'm gleeful. get to say i told you so earlier on than i expected.

There are no warlike people--just warlike leaders. – Ralph Bunche

christine  posted on  2008-11-14   10:19:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Hayek Fan, All (#0)

The Obama fan club, you can be certain, has bombarded us with letters of protest, objecting to "attacks" on their hero, and vowing not to give us a penny.

Politics makes for strange bedfellows, that's for sure. Neocons have their butt kissers, liberals have theirs, and we get the leftovers that were liberals and neocons, until they personally got screwed by their self- proclaimed leaders.

Its one thing to wake up peacefully, it's another thing entirely to be slapped until you wake up. They are getting slapped now, IMO. BO is, to paraphrase The Rock, laying the smacketh down on their roody-poo candy asses.

policestateusa.net/

PSUSA  posted on  2008-11-14   10:53:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Ferret Mike, Hayek Fan (#1)

Obama and the national security question: the sellout accelerates

Most politicians wait at least until they've been sworn in before they start breaking their campaign promises. In this sense, as in so many others, Barack Obama represents an entirely new phenomenon: the politician who preemptively reneges.

What a shocking development.

I am just sooooooooooooooooooooo surprised.

Hey Mikey, got your Obamessiah Approved Water Board yet?

The republicrat-democan transition is taking place sooner than I thought it would. At this rate the democans will be completely pro-war and republicrats anti-war before Obama even gets into office.

But of course. Which I might point out is exactly what I said would happen BEFORE the Obamessiah was installed.

The Obamessiah was installed to sucker blacks into thinking they had one of their own, and white liberals socialists to have someone to vote for to ease their guilt pangs over what someone else did over a century ago. Entirely irrational, stupid, and predictable.

That the Obamessiah was less than honest, i.e., a lying sack of shit, is something I said before the (s)Election.

The suckers are going to get exactly what they deserve: Bush II - the darker version.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-11-14   11:29:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Hayek Fan (#0) (Edited)

Human decency and government, however, are opposites in a dichotomy. Now that the Obama-ites have the power, all the pious rhetoric and self-righteousness of the Bush-hating Obama-loving "progressives" falls by the wayside, like so much confetti, to be swept up and trashed the morning after the election. It's an old story, but true – and yet with a rather grotesque twist that is all too indicative of the age we live in.

Hey Mikey don't forget to get your Obamessiah Approved Cat-'o-Nine Tails. Hurry or you'll be out of step with the rest of the Lemmings.

Aren't you just so proud?

The "Torture President II".

I bet that big Paratrooper heart is just swelling up with pride. Do ya' like the smell of Napalm in the morning?

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-11-14   11:34:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Original_Intent (#6)

Human decency and government, however, are opposites in a dichotomy.

Until most people realize this, and it affects what they perceive as their own best interest enough to change their actions, we will continue down exactly the same path we are currently on.

duckhunter  posted on  2008-11-14   11:44:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Original_Intent (#6)

Do ya' like the smell of Napalm in the morning?

Does it smell like "Victory"?

duckhunter  posted on  2008-11-14   11:45:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: duckhunter, Ferret Mike (#7)

Human decency and government, however, are opposites in a dichotomy.

Until most people realize this, and it affects what they perceive as their own best interest enough to change their actions, we will continue down exactly the same path we are currently on.

My twisted sense of humor finds an ultimate irony in this. The hand wringing, white guilting, liberals socialists who decry loudly the crimes of a corrupt government also loudly support more corrupt government as the solution.

P.T. Barnum was an optimist on human gullibility.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-11-14   11:49:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: duckhunter, Ferret Mike (#8)

Do ya' like the smell of Napalm in the morning?

Does it smell like "Victory"?

Well Mikey? Does it?

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-11-14   11:50:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Original_Intent (#9)

My twisted sense of humor finds an ultimate irony in this. The hand wringing, white guilting, liberals socialists who decry loudly the crimes of a corrupt government also loudly support more corrupt government as the solution.

Doesn't that fit Einstein's definition of insanity rather neatly?

duckhunter  posted on  2008-11-14   11:50:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: duckhunter, Ferret Mike (#11)

My twisted sense of humor finds an ultimate irony in this. The hand wringing, white guilting, liberals socialists who decry loudly the crimes of a corrupt government also loudly support more corrupt government as the solution.

Doesn't that fit Einstein's definition of insanity rather neatly?

Insanity, vi. "Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."

Works for me.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-11-14   11:53:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Original_Intent (#12)

I saw the thread, and the smug assumptions people will put up with torture just because they supported whom they felt was the best candidate.

I still do, but I always expected to have to criticize anyone I support right off the bat on something. Nobody who knows politics is delusional.

And I also know that while forming his government he would be very susceptible to criticism on policies like torture and will be getting pressure from the intelligence community to allow it.

The criticism and pressure are fine with me, and I will watch this issue to see if it develops like you fer it will.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-11-14   12:23:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Ferret Mike. the thread (#13)

And I also know that while forming his government he would be very susceptible to criticism on policies like torture and will be getting pressure from the intelligence community to allow it.

That really doesn't cut it, Mike.

He's now the Decider-elect, and should keep his campaign promises/pledges, just as 43 should have.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2008-11-14   12:29:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Original_Intent (#9)

I probably would not have posted to you had I noticed how much baiting you did on this thread then before working back on the pings. I see no point to that, I would answer without that.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-11-14   12:30:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: lodwick (#14)

He should, and I will be watching to see if this story has weight to it, and will criticize him if he has a policy to torture.

For me, that goes without saying. The news source does not cut if for me standing alone. I need to see more on this from more sources. I am not going to be stampeded.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-11-14   12:33:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Ferret Mike, all (#15)

I probably would not have posted to you had I noticed how much baiting you did on this thread then before working back on the pings. I see no point to that, I would answer without that.

I'm pissed off Mikey. Got that?

Non-thinking, willfully so, non-confronting, cowardly, and unwilling to look at the easily available facts are, like you, accessories in what is turning this country into a living hell, and enabling more murder and rape world wide.

It is YOU, and those like you, who will not look, will not think, and respond with irrational palliatives, false assumptions, and wishful thinking, which is aiding and abetting the imposition of a world wide tyranny. You Mikey ARE the problem.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-11-14   12:41:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Ferret Mike, christine (#13)

I saw the thread, and the smug assumptions people will put up with torture just because they supported whom they felt was the best candidate.

And upon what rational valid data was that decision made. Don't kid yourself Mikey you voted for Oh'Bummer not for any rational reason but out of knee-jerk reactive responses.

I still do, but I always expected to have to criticize anyone I support right off the bat on something. Nobody who knows politics is delusional.

I don't support politicians who are obviously property of the global banking cartel. I made that point repeatedly before the (s)Election, as did christine - among others, and you blithely pooh-poohed the obvious facts of the matter.

And I also know that while forming his government he would be very susceptible to criticism on policies like torture and will be getting pressure from the intelligence community to allow it.

No, he won't get pressure he will be TOLD to accept it and justify it.

The criticism and pressure are fine with me, and I will watch this issue to see if it develops like you fer it will.

Don't forget to wring your hands and appropriately moan socialist pieties as the country is raped and more people are murdered and tortured.

YOU Mikey, and those like you, ARE the problem.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-11-14   12:49:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Ferret Mike (#16)

For me, that goes without saying. The news source does not cut if for me standing alone. I need to see more on this from more sources. I am not going to be stampeded.

That's your right, but I can't help but wonder if you held the same standards when Justin Raimondo made accusations against baby Bush and the republicrat party? I believe Mr. Raimondo has been nonpartisan in his condemnation of the Iraq War, US Middle Eastern policy and torture. I've also never known him to be hyperbolic in his rhetoric against Bush. As a major voice within the anti-war community, I find it hard to believe he would jeopardize his reputation in order to make up a story such as this. Especially when publishing it might alienate his own base, which includes a heck of a lot more democans than republicrats.

Anyway, time will tell. For the sake of the United States, I hope the author is misinformed and Obama will not only renounce torture but will pursue an investigation of the republicratic party. I'm not holding my breath though.

I have an off-topic question for you. What is you opinion of the talk that the democan party may confiscate private 401(k) and IRA accounts? Or maybe I should rephrase the question. IF the democan party does vote to seize these private accounts, what will your opinion be?

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-11-14   12:59:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Ferret Mike. the thread (#16)

He should, and I will be watching to see if this story has weight to it, and will criticize him if he has a policy to torture.

I know that you will, Mike.

Several of us here have finally realized that we have been lied to, by so many, for so many years, that we are no longer participating, or paying for tickets to the circus.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2008-11-14   16:56:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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