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Title: Clinton could be mixed blessing as No. 1 diplomat
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URL Source: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081114/D94EVIF00.html
Published: Nov 14, 2008
Author: ANNE GEARAN and ROBERT BURNS
Post Date: 2008-11-14 17:54:33 by christine
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WASHINGTON (AP) - During the Democrats' quarrelsome nominating contest, Hillary Rodham Clinton argued that she, and not upstart rival Barack Obama, had more impressive credentials as a statesman: familiarity with world leaders and problems, toughness under fire. Now that she's under consideration to be Obama's pick as the nation's top diplomat, that resume might come in handy. Or not. The prospect of the New York Democrat becoming the face of American diplomacy suggests that Obama is serious about assembling a "team of rivals" in the fashion of Abraham Lincoln's wartime Cabinet, and that he is not worried about Clinton's wattage outshining his own. In equal measure, her possible selection as secretary of state raises red flags for allies and opponents alike. At the top of the list of negatives is suspicion that Clinton would pursue her own agenda or mount rearguard campaigns inside the Obama administration. She was accused, perhaps unfairly at times, of doing that as first lady. "I don't see him wanting her there, because she would be an independent actor," said Ray DuBois, a former Pentagon management and personnel official under President George W. Bush. He added that he doesn't think Clinton really wants the job. "It could work, but my instincts say no." Then there is the potential minefield of husband Bill Clinton's international aid and development efforts and tangled business dealings, plus his ambition and outsize persona. Leon Panetta, Bill Clinton's chief of staff from 1994 to 1997, sees the former first lady as an attractive prospect, in part because she has the stature to be an effective voice abroad. "I think it would be an outstanding selection because she really does understand foreign policy issues," he said. "The Clinton name obviously opens a lot of doors in international policy, and there's a lot of goodwill associated with that name, which I think is going to be particularly important as you try to repair relations around the world." Clinton herself has not always appeared statesmanlike. As first lady she kissed Yasser Arafat's wife, and by doing so seemed to endorse Mrs. Arafat's anti-Israel remarks. Clinton was an activist first lady and took a keen interest in foreign policy. She traveled to more than 80 countries - with her husband and alone - to promote U.S. policy and the cause of women and children. She also helped herself to a bit of extra credit along the way. Clinton has taken credit for negotiating open borders for refugees fleeing Kosovo, standing up to the Chinese government over women's rights, and flying into Bosnia when it was too dangerous to send the president. For years, Clinton has asserted she made a difference in achieving peace in Northern Ireland, but some critics said her role was more symbolic than substantive. In a December 2007 interview with ABC News, Clinton said: "In just the last few weeks, the new leaders of the Northern Ireland government, Dr. Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness, made a special effort to see me. Why? Because I helped in that process, not just standing by and witnessing, but actually getting my hands into it, creating opportunities for people on both sides of the sectarian divide to come together." As a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee she visited Iraq and other countries and is well versed in the diplomatic fallout from the unpopular Iraq war and Bush administration policies in the global hunt for terrorists. She differed with Obama over the war during their primary contest. Clinton was forced to repeatedly defend her 2002 Senate vote authorizing the U.S. invasion of Iraq, but security improvements in Iraq now mean the two substantially agree on what to do from here. Obama still vows to withdraw U.S. troops from combat in 16 months or less. But top aides quietly point to escape clauses he has sprinkled into documents and interviews. Numerous outside observers think he is likely to take a more deliberate approach to disengagement and keep diplomatic pressure on the unsteady Iraq government to do more for itself. James Carafano, a national security expert at the conservative Heritage Foundation, calls Clinton a realist on Iraq and other issues. "She's not pollyanna-ish about the world," he said, and could be effective in promoting U.S. interests. "You could do a lot worse. She's obviously well-known, she's got a strong personality, she'd be a good negotiator." Likewise, foreign policy hawk Danielle Pletka at the American Enterprise Institute calls Clinton's drive and discipline a good match for the job. "She's a grown-up," Pletka said. The symbolism of a woman and former rival in one of the most visible jobs in American government is probably the least reason Obama might choose her, and says little about how well she would perform, said Michael O'Hanlon, defense and foreign policy analyst at the center-left Brookings Institution. "Obama is already a symbol," O'Hanlon said. "The reason to consider her is because she's so darn smart, because she is competent, because he knows her and he believes they can have honest disagreements as well as cooperate on most issues when they do agree."
Poster Comment: what say you, Obamabots???
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#1. To: christine (#0)
I'm very glad that I've not had dinner before reading this shiite.
They will either a) Ignore it b) Make excuses for it or c) Decide that Hillary isn't so bad after all, because who are mere mortals like us to judge the Obamessiah's moves?
They have hope!
This administration is truly the coup de grace for America.
She differed with Obama over the war during their primary contest. Clinton was forced to repeatedly defend her 2002 Senate vote authorizing the U.S. invasion of Iraq, but security improvements in Iraq now mean the two substantially agree on what to do from here. -- translation 'staying with Bush Doctrine 1, Expanding to Bush Doctrine 2, 3, 4, 5. Obama still vows to withdraw U.S. troops from combat in 16 months or less. --- But for sure by the end of his 2nd term. "She's not pollyanna-ish about the world," he said, and could be effective in promoting U.S. interests. --- Like the world has been all that impressed with them so far. "You could do a lot worse . ---- Doubtful. She's obviously well-known, --- Yep, big in Scranton she's got a strong personality --- she always seemed demure to me. she'd be a good negotiator." -- Dead fish are cheaper to send in DC Likewise, foreign policy hawk Danielle Pletka at the American Enterprise Institute calls Clinton's drive and discipline a good match for the job. "She's a grown-up," Pletka said. --- Don't all grown ups spend other peoples money and feed at the government teat? The symbolism of a woman and former rival in one of the most visible jobs in American government is probably the least reason Obama might choose her, and says little about how well she would perform, said Michael O'Hanlon, defense and foreign policy analyst at the center-left Brookings Institution. --- No, it's not the least reason, it's that pointy thing in his back. "Obama is already a symbol," O'Hanlon said. "The reason to consider her is because she's so darn smart, because she is competent, because he knows her and he believes they can have honest disagreements as well as cooperate on most issues when they do agree." --- There just another control group that fight over who get's to wear the......nevermind.
"I got hope, I got change, I got my Messiah, who could ask for anything more!"
Exactly!
When the U.N. starts whining about the U.S. blocking the "profileration of small arms" Hitlery will sign on to anything the U.N. comes up with that would deprive/diminish our Second Amendment rights. I'm not just parroting the NRA, I really believe that will happen.
All that and the Numa Numa kids too!
laughing...
There are no warlike people--just warlike leaders. – Ralph Bunche
hahahahahahaha
There are no warlike people--just warlike leaders. – Ralph Bunche
Oh what the hell.. Why not put Bill on the SC and make Socks the director of homeland security while we're at it? I had this nightmare already, it lasted 8 years.
~ Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko.
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I have seen that color purple before...do you have a website that is a perverted form of the name of a Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx No, but I would love to see one!! I remember seeing a ripoff of Drudge sometime ago, but nothing else.
So much for the "change" hooey. That and the State of Israel getting first place in the White house assures Americans more years of militeristic and economic misery. Seems to me the candidates should be forced to name their cabinet two months in advance of the election - full disclosure kinda thing.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Oh GOD NO! NOOOOO! The LAST time we got a bunch of so-called "grown-ups" in the White House was when the loathsome, odious and despicable George W. Bush administration moved in. ARRRRRRRRGHHHH! NOOOOOOO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Please please somebody help me WAKE UP from this Hellish NIGHTMARE!
#2. To: christine (#0)
what say you, Obamabots???
#3. To: christine (#0)
what say you, Obamabots???
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#4. To: christine (#0)
Now that she's under consideration to be Obama's pick as the nation's top diplomat
#5. To: christine (#0)
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#6. To: farmfriend (#3)
They have hope!
#7. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#6)
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#8. To: christine (#0)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#9. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#6)
"I got hope, I got change, I got my Messiah, who could ask for anything more!"
#10. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#6)
"I got hope, I got change, I got my Messiah, who could ask for anything more!"
#11. To: OliviaFNewton (#5)
No, it's not the least reason, it's that pointy thing in his back.
#12. To: christine (#0)
#13. To: christine (#11)
hahahahahahaha
#14. To: OliviaFNewton (#5)
news organization propaganda outlet?
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of its very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#15. To: IndieTX (#14)
I have seen that color purple before...do you have a website that is a perverted form of the name of a news organization propaganda outlet?
#16. To: christine (#0)
hat say you, Obamabots???
#17. To: christine (#0)
Likewise, foreign policy hawk Danielle Pletka at the American Enterprise Institute calls Clinton's drive and discipline a good match for the job. "She's a grown-up," Pletka said.
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#18. To: Elliott Jackalope (#17)
????
Hellish
#19. To: Elliott Jackalope (#17)
I know how you feel. I am trying to figure out if someone is either: 1) Spiking my morning coffee with powerful LSD or 2) If most people around me are on LSD It's gotta be one or the other?
! Please please somebody help me WAKE UP from this Hellish NIGHTMARE!
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#20. To: OliviaFNewton (#15)
Of you click on any news story link, all of his editorial comments are in that color purple.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of its very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#21. To: tom007 (#16)
I find it hilarious that the blacks and the white guilters threw Hillary under the bus with great delight, proclaiming "change". And what do we have? The Clintons in a re run. Of course the white guilters will NEVER admit they have been swindled, but it must be tuff having to swallow the Clintons and their minions.
#22. To: Cynicom, tom007, OliviaFNewton, all (#21)
oh, they'll spin it and rationalize it. i was watching LK tonight and they were talking about hillary as SOS. it sounds like it's a done deal to me, but joy behar was subhosting for LK and she asked the guests, is this change? one woman said, oh, by change obama, clinton, et al meant no more george bush. that will be the obots talking point now.
Of course the white guilters will NEVER admit they have been swindled, but it must be tuff having to swallow the Clintons and their minions.
There are no warlike people--just warlike leaders. – Ralph Bunche
#23. To: christine (#22)
See my LSD post above.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#24. To: christine (#22)
I just heard the first real evidence of exactly that. *paraphrasing* Obama's choice of Hillary as SOS reflects that he may be the "shrewdest politician" in our history. He's even keeled and not at all threatened. Much like Abe Lincoln who assmbled his 'TEAM OF RIVALS'. This shows much forethought and deep respect for an instution requiring that only the very very best and brightest be assembled to take on the challenges none ever have inherited. He really was the only choice for this high task. :P
oh, they'll spin it and rationalize it.
#25. To: IndieTX (#20)
AssocialisticPress Well I'll be. I'll give it a peek. Thanks.
Of you click on any news story link, all of his editorial comments are in that color purple.
#26. To: OliviaFNewton, christine (#24)
Spin they may but they cannot explain away why Obummer was the candidate when a Hillary/Obummer was a sure winner at very little expense. For over $600 million they end up with the same team, no change, except Obummer must bring some desired factor we do not know about.
oh, they'll spin it and rationalize it.
#27. To: Cynicom (#26)
For over $600 million they end up with the same team, no change, except Obummer must bring some desired factor we do not know about. Good point. That kind of investment must be speculating on some future promise.
Spin they may but they cannot explain away why Obummer was the candidate when a Hillary/Obummer was a sure winner at very little expense.
#28. To: OliviaFNewton (#27)
Some "value" we are not able to discern.
That kind of investment must be speculating on some future promise.
#29. To: Cynicom, OliviaFNewton (#26)
Just speculating, but I suspect that there are probably a couple: 1. He's more controllable than Hitlery i.e., more pliable personality and they have move blackmail data on him. 2. PsyOps. He's a better orator than Hitlery. As a "black" man he will be given greater latitude to install "programs" contrary to the general welfare and for the benefit of the bankster class. As well it helps in controlling the population - African Americans/Blacks/Negroes/Coloreds are less likely to riot or revolt against draconian measures with a President perceived to be "black".
For over $600 million they end up with the same team, no change, except Obummer must bring some desired factor we do not know about.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
#30. To: Original_Intent (#29)
OR..."African Americans/Blacks/Negroes/Coloreds are...MORE... likely to riot or revolt if Obummer were to be removed".....
African Americans/Blacks/Negroes/Coloreds are less likely to riot or revolt against draconian measures with a President perceived to be "black".
#31. To: Cynicom (#30)
That too. I have contemplated that as well - if you wanted to set up a race riot scenario - (s)Elect Oh'Bummer and then disqualify him. It does two things: 1. Sparks Riots 2. Gives a massive ex-post facto let down and reinforcement of persecution and/or being less. I've wondered about that one as well. However, there seems to be a concerted move to try to quash the questions about his legitimacy as a President and so if that was part of the plan it has now been partly nullified, and before the planned time.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
#32. To: christine (#0)
Maybe this meeting was in the role of 'go between' for the big O and BILL CLINTON. Remember, she was really, really happy just representing the people of her state---hardy har har.
#33. To: OliviaFNewton (#24)
You just hit my DAMN, DAMN, DOUBLE DAMN button! I loathe and absolutely deplore the dirty, rotten bastards who use those words. Madeline Albright comes to mind---'they' saved the brightest and best from having their asses shot at in 'Nam so they could be *cough* public servants to the masses!! As though she and others of her ilk, including the clintons and the cheneys, are too damned good to have their name on some wall memorial.
This shows much forethought and deep respect for an instution requiring that only the very very best and brightest be assembled to take on the challenges
#34. To: christine (#0)
"She's not pollyanna-ish about the world," he said, and could be effective in promoting U.S. interests. "You could do a lot worse. She's obviously well-known, she's got a strong personality, she'd be a good negotiator." Likewise, foreign policy hawk Danielle Pletka at the American Enterprise Institute calls Clinton's drive and discipline a good match for the job. "She's a grown-up," Pletka said. When the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute are both crowing about the assets of a Dem Senator for the position of Secty of State, America is in big trouble. This means Hillary would be very protective of Izzy and provocative to Iran.
James Carafano, a national security expert at the conservative Heritage Foundation, calls Clinton a realist on Iraq and other issues.
#35. To: tom007 (#16)
Exactly correct.
Seems to me the candidates should be forced to name their cabinet two months in advance of the election - full disclosure kinda thing.
#36. To: Original_Intent (#29)
When he speaks, he is no doubt less offensive than 'her'. By miles. But without a prompter, he's an idiot. That of course does not matter because he is THE ONE. I listend and I learned, Happy Days are coming soon! www.justanotherlemon.c om/tmp/WEnotrich1.wav
2. PsyOps. He's a better orator than Hitlery. As a "black" man he will be given greater latitude to install "programs" contrary to the general welfare and for the benefit of the bankster class. As well it helps in controlling the population - African Americans/Blacks/Negroes/Coloreds are less likely to riot or revolt against draconian measures with a President perceived to be "black".
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