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Title: Alan Keyes Files Lawsuit in Obama Birth-gate Case
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Published: Nov 14, 2008
Author: obamawaffles
Post Date: 2008-11-14 20:27:13 by randge
Keywords: Keyes, Obama, Birth certificate
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November 14, 2008 Allen Keyes Files Lawsuit in Obama Birth-gate Case You gotta love this . . . while Michelle Obama is dreaming of new patterns for the White House china collection and Barack Obama is busy redesigning the presidential seal, Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes—who is black and therefore cannot be dismissed as having a racist agenda—petitioned the Superior Court of California yesterday to require proof of Obama's birth certificate.
In his petition, Dr. Keyes points out that someone wanting to get a California drivers license must provide more proof of citizenship than Sen. Barack Obama has provided in his bid to be the next U.S. President:
Heretofore, only a signed statement from the candidate attesting to his or her meeting those qualifications was requested and received by SOS [Secretary of State], with no verification demanded. This practice represents a much lower standard than that demanded of one when requesting a California driver’s license.
Why should this matter? Keyes explains:
62. Article II, Section I of the United States Constitution, states, in pertinent part, as follows:
"No Person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;"
63. Senator Barack H. Obama is a candidate for the Office of the President of the United States. However, to assume such office, Senator Obama must meet the qualifications specified for the Office of the President of the United States, which includes that he must be a "natural born" citizen. Senator Obama has failed to demonstrate that he is a "natural born" citizen.
70. Should Senator Obama be discovered, after he takes office, to be ineligible for the Office of President of the United States of America and, thereby, his election declared void, Petitioners, as well as other Americans, will suffer irreparable harm in that an usurper will be sitting as the President of the United States, and none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal.
For a PDF download of Dr. Keyes eye-opening and well-written petition, click here.
Poster Comment:
The plaintiff as a candidate as well as his co-plaintiffs as candidates and candidate electors have standing. Maybe the MSM will get up off their duffs and take notice.
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#19. To: randge (#16)
Our legislators are much too soft. Although, now that they are a full bore governing party, the Dems are going to have to enforce party discipline in the House. With any luck, there may be some fireworks. I'd like to see Chucky Schumer on Barney Frank or (oh-ho) John Murtha on Harry Reid. What are your favorite matchups, BTW? I would LOVE to see actual democracy in action. I would settle for the attention span of the House of Commons. A pulse a pulse! I can't wait for the dem factions to divide amongst themselves for dominate power. The bird they have created is a genetic freak incapable of flying. Anyway... Smackdown choices? Oh, the thought is sweet. I'll have to think about it. It'll have Al Franken in it if he manages to steal MN.
May the Eye of Ishtar enable you to see life from the crusted over eyes of a crocodile. Have some coffee, relax guy!
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Obama has evidently satisfied all requirements to be on the ballot in California. Keyes cites no state law to which the California secretary of state has failed compliance. While Keyes asserts that, "[i]it was incumbent on the candidates to present the necessary documentation confirming his citizenship," it is entirely up to each state to establish laws and regulations establishing what the state officials may accept as adequate evidence of citizenship. The court is unlikely to require, based on the law, that the secretary do more than the law requires. In any case, if he desired or was required to supply acceptable proof, a COLB from Hawaii with a raised seal and signature would suffice. Proof that he was born in Hawaii after it was a state satisfies every requirement for natural born status. The COLB would be an official state record and must be accepted in the other 49 states pursuant to the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution. Contrary to this claim, all of the treaties, laws, and executive orders signed by someone later shown to be ineligible for the office would remain valid. Once inaugurated, he could not be removed from office by any means other than impeachment. Andy Martin filed a Petition in the Hawaii Supreme Court which was denied on October 22, 2008. The Hawaii Supreme Court found that pursuant to state law they would not require any personal documentation about Obama to be released. Martin has another action started and has posted Obama court hearing to focus on actions of Hawai'i officials, need for disclosure Obama author Andy Martin heads for historic court hearing in Honolulu. Martin will arrive in Honolulu Friday evening to prepare for a historic court hearing in the Circuit Court Tuesday, November 18th at 10:30 A.M. "Some people want to run up the white flag and kiss Obama's fanny," Martin says. "In the words of John Paul Jones, 'I've just begin to fight.' Unless and until Obama releases records about his past—his birth certificate, college files and similar information—he lacks legitimacy. I do not think any American owes loyalty to Obama's radical socialist revolution, which is bent on destroying our way of life. Why will Barack Obama not release his original, typewritten 1961 birth certificate?" There would seem to be no legal reason to justify ordering the state of Hawaii to produce anything other than a COLB such as that shown by Obama. About the only challenge might be that the state did not really issue it. There is no legal requirement that an individual produce the original of a state record. The original document is the property of the state and is exempt from the best evidence rule. A certified copy of the record, or of an entry within the record, meets federal approval. From the Federal Rules of Evidence Rule 902. Self-authentication Extrinsic evidence of authenticity as a condition precedent to admissibility is not required with respect to the following: (1) Domestic public documents under seal. A document bearing a seal purporting to be that of the United States, or of any State, district, Commonwealth, territory, or insular possession thereof, or the Panama Canal Zone, or the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, or of a political subdivision, department, officer, or agency thereof, and a signature purporting to be an attestation or execution. (2) Domestic public documents not under seal. A document purporting to bear the signature in the official capacity of an officer or employee of any entity included in paragraph (1) hereof, having no seal, if a public officer having a seal and having official duties in the district or political subdivision of the officer or employee certifies under seal that the signer has the official capacity and that the signature is genuine. (3) Foreign public documents. A document purporting to be executed or attested in an official capacity by a person authorized by the laws of a foreign country to make the execution or attestation, and accompanied by a final certification as to the genuineness of the signature and official position (A) of the executing or attesting person, or (B) of any foreign official whose certificate of genuineness of signature and official position relates to the execution or attestation or is in a chain of certificates of genuineness of signature and official position relating to the execution or attestation. A final certification may be made by a secretary of an embassy or legation, consul general, consul, vice consul, or consular agent of the United States, or a diplomatic or consular official of the foreign country assigned or accredited to the United States. If reasonable opportunity has been given to all parties to investigate the authenticity and accuracy of official documents, the court may, for good cause shown, order that they be treated as presumptively authentic without final certification or permit them to be evidenced by an attested summary with or without final certification. (4) Certified copies of public records. A copy of an official record or report or entry therein, or of a document authorized by law to be recorded or filed and actually recorded or filed in a public office, including data compilations in any form, certified as correct by the custodian or other person authorized to make the certification, by certificate complying with paragraph (1), (2), or (3) of this rule or complying with any Act of Congress or rule prescribed by the Supreme Court pursuant to statutory authority. [...] The is from the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure Federal Rules of Civil Procedure Rule 44. Proving an Official Record (a) Means of Proving. (1) Domestic Record. Each of the following evidences an official record — or an entry in it — that is otherwise admissible and is kept within the United States, any state, district, or commonwealth, or any territory subject to the administrative or judicial jurisdiction of the United States: (A) an official publication of the record; or (B) a copy attested by the officer with legal custody of the record — or by the officer's deputy — and accompanied by a certificate that the officer has custody. The certificate must be made under seal: (i) by a judge of a court of record in the district or political subdivision where the record is kept; or (ii) by any public officer with a seal of office and with official duties in the district or political subdivision where the record is kept. The procedure set up to make challenges is as a political matter in the Federal legislature when the electoral college ballots are opened and counted. UNITED STATES CODE The following provisions of law governing Presidential Elections are contained in Chapter 1 of Title 3, United States Code (62 Stat. 672, as amended): TITLE 3 THE PRESIDENT Chapter 1. Presidential Elections and Vacancies [...] Counting electoral votes in congress § 15. Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o'clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.
Oh really. Show me where he proved he was a citizen. I understand your sympathy for Obama not being born here yourself. But the constitution requires our president to be a natural born citizen. If Obama has a birth certificate he could very easily clear this up. My bet is that he is not natural born or at the least became a citizen of Indonesia. The upon turning 18 years of age he could have reclaimed his citizenship but he neglected to do that. I also think you voted for Obama. Come on admit it.
Thanks for posting that. I saw that video selection on youtube but just watched it when you posted it. Thanks again.
YW. Only six missing pieces.. eh? This part: RACE: Africa. ummm.
Fake.
He was a candidate on the California ballot. Maybe that's why he brought the challenge in CA.
thank you. Excellent post though I haven't read it all yet. I'm going to pass this on to some interested people.
I also think you voted for Obama. Come on admit it. I think you completely missed the point of the post. All these law suits will come to naught and it is the wrong way to handle it. What it takes is someone from the House and a Senator from the same state to contest the Electoral College vote. It is the only Constitutional way.
If 44 was legal, he would have proved it by now. Keep it simple.
Have you taken a real close look at bHO? Do you have the same gnawing feeling that something is terribly wrong? Bush had the goofy expressions and this guy has a grin that just goes straight thru me. He makes my skin crawl.
Bullshit. "we the people" have standing per constitution. We shouldn't have to wait around for someone from house or senate to make a fuss. Show me in the constitution where it says that is the remedy. SOMEONE NOT BORN HERE IS NOT ELIGIBLE PERIOD. If he was born here then that is fine he can be president and I wish him well.
Chan has been pimping for Obama for quite a while. He is like his calling in life.
No we don't. We don't elect the President, therefore we don't have standing.
Bullshit I aint no stinking slave. Nothing personal but you sound like a parrot who listens to the government and their lawyerspeak. Reject it. We are citizens we are mentioned in the constitution. The constitution requires a native born leader. Quit thinking like a slave.
Perhaps but that doesn't make this particular information wrong. I found the same information in an article written by and for people who are not Obama shills and probably believe, like you and I, that he is not a citizen. Written by Jim Capo The North Carolina State Board of Elections has been responding to inquiries. 1) NC SBOE confirms they accept, without question names for the presidential ballot as submitted to them by the state certified parties. DEM, GOP and Libertarian for 2008. 2) As the state DEM party submits names they are told to by the DNC, it appears there no requirement that a candidate legally certify to a private political party that they are eligible to be president. 3) Because it is the Electoral College that elects our POTUS, voters nor a BOE have standing to challenge the constitutional qualifications of a POTUS. 4) Outside of driving a novel case all the way up to the Supreme Court, the convening of the electoral college to count votes is the step where a formal challenge can occur…and is required to be resolved. 5) If I understand the US code correctly (go to section 15), to challenge the electoral votes as they are being counted in Congress, requires a minimum of one House member and one Senate member from the same state, to submit in writing, during the time of counting, the reason for their challenge to the votes from a particular state being counted. (States ballots are counted in alphabetical order) The challenge must be resolved before the counting of elector votes is allowed to continue. There were calls to contest the election results in the Electoral College in 2000 and 2004. There may be again for 2008. sigh. I tried. I can't make you listen.
I am a stubborn person. Look I like you. I think you are on the right side. Here is the point. Our government isn't living up to its obligations under the constitution. This not having standing is just bullshit talk by lawyer judges so they can dismiss cases unethically. There is nothing in the constitution that defines this process. But it does say the president has to be a natural born citizen. We the people are supposed to be the owners and they our servants. Now why isn't the servant answering the master?
Another way to look at is like this. THEY DON"T HAVE STANDING. They constantly lie steal and cheat. They are dishonorable and therefore they have no standing. There take that. :)
Do what I did, Bozo him. Some people have nothing to offer but grief.
There's nothing for ringside action like the Korean parliament. Those boys can land a punch.
#20. To: Jethro Tull (#14)
Aren't you and Sandy Duncan neglecting your clown ministry?
#21. To: randge (#0)
63. Senator Barack H. Obama is a candidate for the Office of the President of the United States. However, to assume such office, Senator Obama must meet the qualifications specified for the Office of the President of the United States, which includes that he must be a "natural born" citizen. Senator Obama has failed to demonstrate that he is a "natural born" citizen.
70. Should Senator Obama be discovered, after he takes office, to be ineligible for the Office of President of the United States of America and, thereby, his election declared void, Petitioners, as well as other Americans, will suffer irreparable harm in that an usurper will be sitting as the President of the United States, and none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal.
Thursday, November 13, 2008
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http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/Rule44.htm
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/provisions.html#law
#22. To: nolu_chan (#21)
Obama has evidently satisfied all requirements to be on the ballot in California.
#23. To: Old Friend (#22)
#24. To: OliviaFNewton (#23)
#25. To: Old Friend (#24)
Thanks for posting that. I saw that video selection on youtube but just watched it when you posted it. Thanks again.
#26. To: nolu_chan (#21)
#27. To: Old Friend, rotara, lodwick, Original_Intent (#3)
I voted for Keyes in the 2000 primaries and maybe the 96 one too. It is good to see that he is useful for something.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#28. To: nolu_chan, rotara, Original_Intent, lodwick (#21)
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#29. To: Old Friend (#22)
Oh really. Show me where he proved he was a citizen. I understand your sympathy for Obama not being born here yourself. But the constitution requires our president to be a natural born citizen. If Obama has a birth certificate he could very easily clear this up. My bet is that he is not natural born or at the least became a citizen of Indonesia. The upon turning 18 years of age he could have reclaimed his citizenship but he neglected to do that.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#30. To: farmfriend..all (#27)
#31. To: lodwick (#30)
#32. To: farmfriend (#29)
All these law suits will come to naught and it is the wrong way to handle it. What it takes is someone from the House and a Senator from the same state to contest the Electoral College vote. It is the only Constitutional way.
#33. To: farmfriend, nolu chan (#29)
#34. To: Jethro Tull (#31)
#35. To: Old Friend (#32)
Bullshit. "we the people" have standing per constitution.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#36. To: farmfriend (#35)
No we don't. We don't elect the President, therefore we don't have standing.
#37. To: Old Friend, nolu chan (#33)
Chan has been pimping for Obama for quite a while. He is like his calling in life.
Obama citizenship and the Constitution
Wednesday, 29 October 2008 12:33 Update - November 3rd am:
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#38. To: Old Friend (#36)
Nothing personal but you sound like a parrot who listens to the government and their lawyerspeak. Reject it. We are citizens we are mentioned in the constitution. The constitution requires a native born leader. Quit thinking like a slave.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#39. To: farmfriend (#38)
sigh. I tried. I can't make you listen.
#40. To: farmfriend (#38)
#41. To: farmfriend (#38)
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#42. To: Jethro Tull (#31)
Yes. They're both minor demons still under the instruction and mentoring of "Screwtape." (CS Lewis) And that IS exactly what they look like.
Have you taken a real close look at bHO? Do you have the same gnawing feeling that something is terribly wrong? Bush had the goofy expressions and this guy has a grin that just goes straight thru me. He makes my skin crawl.
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#43. To: Elliott Jackalope (#41)
This is true and there are those who would say I'm one of them. I just have this thing against bozo.
Do what I did, Bozo him. Some people have nothing to offer but grief.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#44. To: Old Friend (#39)
Well at least we can agree on something. Except the part about you being stubborn. I don't know you well enough to make that judgement.
I am a stubborn person. Look I like you. I think you are on the right side.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#45. To: farmfriend (#43) (Edited)
Agreed. I try my best to not use it, and have rarely gotten pushed so far as to actually bozo people, but enough is enough. Old Friend is only here to agitate and annoy people, and I've reached my limit with him, so it was time to bozo him. Now I don't have to read his inane insults any longer. He's actually the first person I've felt the need to have to bozo in over a year now. If history is any indication, he won't be long for this forum at this point. People who push me so far that I end up putting them on bozo usually find they've worn out their welcome not long after. Not that I have anything to do with that, just seems to be a pattern I've observed.
This is true and there are those who would say I'm one of them. I just have this thing against bozo.
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#46. To: Elliott Jackalope (#45)
I can see that. I won't bet against you. I think I did put someone on bozo once but that was back on Clown Posse and it was me they got rid of.
People who push me so far that I end up putting them on bozo usually find they've worn out their welcome not long after. Not that I have anything to do with that, just seems to be a pattern I've observed.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#47. To: Old Friend (#39)
Will you stop and read........we, the citizens DO NOT ELECT THE PRESIDENT! That is the job and function of the Electoral College. You have read about that, haven't you? Don't go screaming for the Constitution, and then refuse to abide by it.........that makes you look foolish.
#48. To: farmfriend, interested parties (#37)
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. An odd thing occurred in the evolution of this great experiment that we continue to call freedom here in America. An agrarian society became industrialized and ultimately commercial in nature. Nothing, including the war of Federal Aggression (AKA War Between the States) has impacted the fundamental make up of the country more than the institution of the Federal Reserve Banking System. Trying to understand the alchemy between this "beast system" and the circumvention of America's basic laws concerning rights is difficult for the learned and near impossible for the unlearned. Even those trained in the law have difficulty comprehending how a monetary system can usurp the very principles upon which a nation is founded and is supposed to operate, especially when no change is admitted to by those exercising power. To make a long story short, those responsible for morphing America from a social atmosphere inclined towards contentment based upon hard work and the satisfaction derived from building ones own independent and self-sufficient government called a family into this commercially driven one where no one even knows their next door neighbor, are MONEYCHANGERS. 2000 years ago, as legend has it, a man/God, named Jesus, identified this problematic concept and stated publicly "Your laws have made my Father's laws of NO EFFECT". [Let me say that this post isn't intended to spark a religious debate]. The relevant point here is to note that the Bankers Laws (commercial law) have made our founding father's laws of NO EFFECT. The legal system is operated with precision at the highest levels, and complete incompetence at the introductory levels. The basic concept is that the lower courts are mandated to find in favor of the "STATE" and the ill effected can appeal that decision. The Appellate Process is a maze of deception and confusion meant to dissuade the appellant from completing the appeals process, and whenever the appeal reaches the highest court the opinions are written in double speak so as to keep the confused in that state of mind while affording the more observant an opportunity to re-evaluate their belief system. This system is Babylonian in nature, has operated publicly for 6000 years, is generally only understood by its operators and beneficiaries to the detriment of the greater portion of society, YOU and ME. Simply put, we agree to forfeit our (individual) RIGHTS in order to join a social compact (socialism) that we determine is beneficial to us personally. This is completely voluntary even though at times it appears mandatory. The very moment that our monetary system deviated from the Article 1 section 10 mandated Gold and Silver Coinage, a new social compact was initiated that operated concurrently with the former. The point to be grasped here is that the law of the land (common-law) based upon real earthly values like gold and silver was then in competition with Contract Law (Fiction) wherein those parties to contracts could create any illusion that both sides were willing to accept. The reason Phil Berg or any "voter" has no standing to address the CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE regarding the qualifications of Barack Obama is that the mere fact that one has a voter registration card implies that they have opted out of the common-law side of governance and entered the (socialist) commercial corporate side and these two concurrently operating systems ARE BLIND TO THE EXISTENCE OF THE OTHER. The CONstitution cannot be in operation when the currency utilized to "do business" is anything other than Gold or Silver based. This concept is known as "Choice of Law". Historically speaking, international merchants have always used CONTRACT LAW between each other because their national laws were usually diverse. In order to do "business" they created a universe of their own wherein they could agree to whichever laws were agreeable to the transactions intended. For example, maybe a guy from France and a guy from America wanted to trade with each other. These traders could determine that payment would be made in American currency while any dispute would be determined in a French Court. This simplified example is a CONTRACTUAL agreement that determines the "CHOICE OF LAW". Over time it became known as Maritime Law, Marine Admiralty, Law Merchant etc., but the important thing to grasp is that the contract supercedes any CONSTITUTION, and in America the mode of doing business, ie., using fiat currency, having a SSN etc., creates the PRESUMPTION of CONTRACT and COMMERCIAL LAW prevails. The U.S. is a corporate body, operating upon fiat (fictional) currency, in violation of CONSTITUTIONAL LAW but absolutely "legal" contract commercial law, and the corporation can decide to do whatever it chooses the Constitution notwithstanding. This conversion from one form of law to another has been done very subtly, so much so that even Phil Berg, an ex-asst. atty general, has not grasped it. This begs the question then how could the average schlepper get it ? And even when one does begin to understand it he/she must confront their own sanity because the simple honesty shared by the greater part of society could never have devised such an enslaving treachery. And while this screed wasn't intended to cause a religious tantrum it should be noted that the God of the Bible offered the best advice to deny power to this evil fictional system. So many of the admonitions that the Biblical scriptures contain eliminate the opportunity for the fraud necessary to conduct the Babylonian Legal System AKA "the beast system". One such admonition is to never swear an oath. Let your yea be yea, and your no be no, but swear no oath. Every time you are asked to swear an oath to something you can bet you are deciding the "CHOICE OF LAW" and getting ready to be screwed by Uncle Sambo. NOTE: Federal means "federal" not national. So, when the term "federal government" is used what is being described is not the national government as most think it is, but instead a creation of the "federal" (contracting party) reserve system.
There were calls to contest the election results in the Electoral College in 2000 and 2004. There may be again for 2008.
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
#49. To: rowdee (#47)
Don't ever think you have access to the protections offered under the Constitution when you have decided to opt out of the jurisdiction where it exists, and have joined a socialist democracy that determines whether or not those same protections are available to you ... AS A PRIVILEGE, not a right. There is a point where an understanding occurs that's like breaking the sound barrier or something. It's almost like discovering a different dimension. I think it takes more of an obsessive determination to get there than most (very normal) people possess. I admit that getting there is an exercise in insanity and a journey that no one should have to take because it is a detour from normalcy like entering a "worm hole" into hell. I'm not being critical of anyone. I am simply stating that our perceptions are the end result of the things we experience, study, and ponder. Our comprehension abilities in these areas are different, greater or lesser with many factors to consider, yet affecting us all. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I've formed beliefs over my lifetime that have been shattered by facts, experience and a more complete awareness. The Constitution has no bearing on the "federal" government, but the people are allowed to be convinced of its authority if that floats their boat. Some people are incapable of confronting the notion that their entire life they have been fooled by smooth talking criminals. One sentence from a case decided in California, and later removed from Westlaw (called depublication) wherein the court stated this: "We are unable to exalt dry formalism above an exhausted fisc" ... what do this mean Kimmosabe ? We (the court) are unable to uphold the Constitution when it depletes the State Treasury. [It's all about the money AND any deviation from the Constitutional form of money is an immediate departure from Constitutional Law.]
Don't go screaming for the Constitution, and then refuse to abide by it.........that makes you look foolish.
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
#50. To: rowdee (#47)
American citizens have standing. If they don't we can just stop paying taxes and kill them all. If you don't get it you don't get the declaration of independence and the founding of this nation.
#51. To: noone222 (#48)
Yes Yes Yes. You get it.
#52. To: Elliott Jackalope (#45)
You are an Obama supporter here. That makes you the minority. Feel free to close your eyes and say there is no place like Oz. But when you take out your ear plugs and your black painted sunglasses I will still be here ridiculing Obama and his worshippes. If you are off the kool aid at that time I will cut you some slack.
#53. To: rowdee (#47)
Rowdee show me me in the constitution where it says the Amerian people don't have standing. Hint it aint there. You have been fooled by usurptions and crooked judges.
#54. To: Old Friend (#51)
Thanks.
Where's your birth certificate Barack ?
#55. To: noone222 (#54)
In the first chapter of his book Dreams From My Father, describing his origins, Obama wrote about finding a local Hawaiian newspaper article about his Kenyan father: "I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school." So where is that birth certificate???? The dog couldn't had eaten it, because he never had a dog. Marguerite posted on 2008-11-15 08:19:39 ET Reply Trace
#56. To: Old Friend (#53)
In your dreams, OF..... You need to be an affected party in order to have standing in the courts. Because senators and representatives make up the electoral college, they have standing. When the sheeple vote, they are only expressing their preference for prez and vice prez......it was the electoral college that did the actual casting of votes. What do you think the people were boohooiing about with gore/bush?...the 'popular' vote if you will, and the demand to do away with the electoral college.
#57. To: randge (#0)
If the MSM does finally take notice, it is only because it is part of the planned show. I am 99.9% sure he is not a natural born citizen but I would rather he be allowed to serve than face the inevitable riots that would occur if he were disqualified from serving as president. Sadly, most blacks would never understand.
The plaintiff as a candidate as well as his co-plaintiffs as candidates and candidate electors have standing. Maybe the MSM will get up off their duffs and take notice.
God is always good!
#58. To: rowdee (#56)
You are dead wrong. The people are who they serve. We have standing they do not. They are merely representatives. I don't care about the electoral collete or blah blah blah. If Obama isn' t born here he isn't eligible. PERIOD end of story. Come on Rowdee you are smarter then this.
#59. To: RickyJ (#57)
I would rather have the riots. I am ready and able to respond. Lets quit sitting in the frying pan. Lets make a stand. If there is going to be a civil war lets get it started before I get to old.
but I would rather he be allowed to serve than face the inevitable riots
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