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Title: Alan Keyes Files Lawsuit in Obama Birth-gate Case
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Published: Nov 14, 2008
Author: obamawaffles
Post Date: 2008-11-14 20:27:13 by randge
Keywords: Keyes, Obama, Birth certificate
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November 14, 2008 Allen Keyes Files Lawsuit in Obama Birth-gate Case You gotta love this . . . while Michelle Obama is dreaming of new patterns for the White House china collection and Barack Obama is busy redesigning the presidential seal, Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes—who is black and therefore cannot be dismissed as having a racist agenda—petitioned the Superior Court of California yesterday to require proof of Obama's birth certificate.
In his petition, Dr. Keyes points out that someone wanting to get a California drivers license must provide more proof of citizenship than Sen. Barack Obama has provided in his bid to be the next U.S. President:
Heretofore, only a signed statement from the candidate attesting to his or her meeting those qualifications was requested and received by SOS [Secretary of State], with no verification demanded. This practice represents a much lower standard than that demanded of one when requesting a California driver’s license.
Why should this matter? Keyes explains:
62. Article II, Section I of the United States Constitution, states, in pertinent part, as follows:
"No Person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;"
63. Senator Barack H. Obama is a candidate for the Office of the President of the United States. However, to assume such office, Senator Obama must meet the qualifications specified for the Office of the President of the United States, which includes that he must be a "natural born" citizen. Senator Obama has failed to demonstrate that he is a "natural born" citizen.
70. Should Senator Obama be discovered, after he takes office, to be ineligible for the Office of President of the United States of America and, thereby, his election declared void, Petitioners, as well as other Americans, will suffer irreparable harm in that an usurper will be sitting as the President of the United States, and none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal.
For a PDF download of Dr. Keyes eye-opening and well-written petition, click here.
Poster Comment:
The plaintiff as a candidate as well as his co-plaintiffs as candidates and candidate electors have standing. Maybe the MSM will get up off their duffs and take notice.
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#1. To: randge (#0)
wow. good find. thanks for posting, randge, and it's nice to see you here again.
There are no warlike people--just warlike leaders. – Ralph Bunche
Seems much ado about nothing. If Obama was born in Kenya or whereever, he can order the invasion of that country, take it over, making it a territory or state of America, launch a massive infrastructure and standard of living upgrade of it, thereby generating enough economic activity in the USA to stop the plunge into an economic depression. If Bush can invade Afghanistan and Iraq to enhance Israel's security interests, no reason for Obama not to do the same but in the interests of Americans, including himself.
wow. good find. thanks for posting, randge, and it's nice to see you here again. I voted for Keyes in the 2000 primaries and maybe the 96 one too. It is good to see that he is useful for something.
Yeah! Get'em Alan, good boy. Bring Daddy his slippers...
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
heheheheh... If the electors can not cast a vote without a ruling from the court, then what? Biden and Hillary?
Barrack Obama is the new pepsi machine/sneaker with glow in the dark pink orange and purple plastic knobs. Same metal can of sugar water.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Little ado to you, then. Fine. Just fine. I hope that you're the first to "volunteer" for 100 hours of community service in th Red Usurper's Health Service/Clean Energy/Veterans Corps. For my part, I want all these vultures off my back. That includes Bush as well as the new boy.
Same metal can of sugar water. From a teacher in the Nashville area We are worried about "the cow" when it is all about the "Ice Cream." We would choose our nominees. They would make a campaign speech and the class would vote. To simplify the process, candidates were nominated by other class members. We discussed what kinds of characteristics these students should have. We got many nominations and from those, Jamie and Olivia were picked to run for the top spot. The class had done a great job in their selections. Both candidates were good kids. I thought Jamie might have an advantage because he got lots of parental support. I had never seen Olivia's mother. The day arrived when they were to make their speeches Jamie went first. He had specific ideas about how to make our class a better place. He ended by promising to do his very best. Every one applauded. He sat down and Olivia came to the podium. Her speech was concise. She said, "If you will vote for me, I will give you ice cream." She sat down. The class went wild. "Yes! Yes! We want ice cream." She surely would say more. She did not have to. A discussion followed. How did she plan to pay for the ice cream? She wasn't sure. Would her parents buy it or would the class pay for it. She didn't know. The class really didn't care. All they were thinking about was ice cream. Jamie was forgotten. Olivia won by a land slide. Every time Barack Obama opens his mouth he offers ice cream and sixty percent of the people react like nine year olds. They want ice cream. The other forty percent know they're going to have to feed the cow and clean up the mess.
If they pass this community service bullshit. Im going to volunteer and loot the place.
You know what they say about the devil you know.
Very funny! The operant word here is knob.
I do I do. The last televised spectacle of this was a hoot. This is going to look like the Korean parliament.
Right. Colored strings don't work with puppets unless it's a mock-up of a laser light show.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Aren't you and Sandy Duncan neglecting your clown ministry?
Clown?
There's nothing for ringside action like the Korean parliament. Those boys can land a punch. Our legislators are much too soft. Although, now that they are a full bore governing party, the Dems are going to have to enforce party discipline in the House. With any luck, there may be some fireworks. I'd like to see Chucky Schumer on Barney Frank or (oh-ho) John Murtha on Harry Reid. What are your favorite matchups, BTW?
No silly. Dak mentioned puppets, so my mind wondered. Back to the thread. Good for Keyes. Something reeks about Obama and it's more than his odor.
That's ok. I'm really just testing new taglines.
Our legislators are much too soft. Although, now that they are a full bore governing party, the Dems are going to have to enforce party discipline in the House. With any luck, there may be some fireworks. I'd like to see Chucky Schumer on Barney Frank or (oh-ho) John Murtha on Harry Reid. What are your favorite matchups, BTW? I would LOVE to see actual democracy in action. I would settle for the attention span of the House of Commons. A pulse a pulse! I can't wait for the dem factions to divide amongst themselves for dominate power. The bird they have created is a genetic freak incapable of flying. Anyway... Smackdown choices? Oh, the thought is sweet. I'll have to think about it. It'll have Al Franken in it if he manages to steal MN.
May the Eye of Ishtar enable you to see life from the crusted over eyes of a crocodile. Have some coffee, relax guy!
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Obama has evidently satisfied all requirements to be on the ballot in California. Keyes cites no state law to which the California secretary of state has failed compliance. While Keyes asserts that, "[i]it was incumbent on the candidates to present the necessary documentation confirming his citizenship," it is entirely up to each state to establish laws and regulations establishing what the state officials may accept as adequate evidence of citizenship. The court is unlikely to require, based on the law, that the secretary do more than the law requires. In any case, if he desired or was required to supply acceptable proof, a COLB from Hawaii with a raised seal and signature would suffice. Proof that he was born in Hawaii after it was a state satisfies every requirement for natural born status. The COLB would be an official state record and must be accepted in the other 49 states pursuant to the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution. Contrary to this claim, all of the treaties, laws, and executive orders signed by someone later shown to be ineligible for the office would remain valid. Once inaugurated, he could not be removed from office by any means other than impeachment. Andy Martin filed a Petition in the Hawaii Supreme Court which was denied on October 22, 2008. The Hawaii Supreme Court found that pursuant to state law they would not require any personal documentation about Obama to be released. Martin has another action started and has posted Obama court hearing to focus on actions of Hawai'i officials, need for disclosure Obama author Andy Martin heads for historic court hearing in Honolulu. Martin will arrive in Honolulu Friday evening to prepare for a historic court hearing in the Circuit Court Tuesday, November 18th at 10:30 A.M. "Some people want to run up the white flag and kiss Obama's fanny," Martin says. "In the words of John Paul Jones, 'I've just begin to fight.' Unless and until Obama releases records about his past—his birth certificate, college files and similar information—he lacks legitimacy. I do not think any American owes loyalty to Obama's radical socialist revolution, which is bent on destroying our way of life. Why will Barack Obama not release his original, typewritten 1961 birth certificate?" There would seem to be no legal reason to justify ordering the state of Hawaii to produce anything other than a COLB such as that shown by Obama. About the only challenge might be that the state did not really issue it. There is no legal requirement that an individual produce the original of a state record. The original document is the property of the state and is exempt from the best evidence rule. A certified copy of the record, or of an entry within the record, meets federal approval. From the Federal Rules of Evidence Rule 902. Self-authentication Extrinsic evidence of authenticity as a condition precedent to admissibility is not required with respect to the following: (1) Domestic public documents under seal. A document bearing a seal purporting to be that of the United States, or of any State, district, Commonwealth, territory, or insular possession thereof, or the Panama Canal Zone, or the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, or of a political subdivision, department, officer, or agency thereof, and a signature purporting to be an attestation or execution. (2) Domestic public documents not under seal. A document purporting to bear the signature in the official capacity of an officer or employee of any entity included in paragraph (1) hereof, having no seal, if a public officer having a seal and having official duties in the district or political subdivision of the officer or employee certifies under seal that the signer has the official capacity and that the signature is genuine. (3) Foreign public documents. A document purporting to be executed or attested in an official capacity by a person authorized by the laws of a foreign country to make the execution or attestation, and accompanied by a final certification as to the genuineness of the signature and official position (A) of the executing or attesting person, or (B) of any foreign official whose certificate of genuineness of signature and official position relates to the execution or attestation or is in a chain of certificates of genuineness of signature and official position relating to the execution or attestation. A final certification may be made by a secretary of an embassy or legation, consul general, consul, vice consul, or consular agent of the United States, or a diplomatic or consular official of the foreign country assigned or accredited to the United States. If reasonable opportunity has been given to all parties to investigate the authenticity and accuracy of official documents, the court may, for good cause shown, order that they be treated as presumptively authentic without final certification or permit them to be evidenced by an attested summary with or without final certification. (4) Certified copies of public records. A copy of an official record or report or entry therein, or of a document authorized by law to be recorded or filed and actually recorded or filed in a public office, including data compilations in any form, certified as correct by the custodian or other person authorized to make the certification, by certificate complying with paragraph (1), (2), or (3) of this rule or complying with any Act of Congress or rule prescribed by the Supreme Court pursuant to statutory authority. [...] The is from the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure Federal Rules of Civil Procedure Rule 44. Proving an Official Record (a) Means of Proving. (1) Domestic Record. Each of the following evidences an official record — or an entry in it — that is otherwise admissible and is kept within the United States, any state, district, or commonwealth, or any territory subject to the administrative or judicial jurisdiction of the United States: (A) an official publication of the record; or (B) a copy attested by the officer with legal custody of the record — or by the officer's deputy — and accompanied by a certificate that the officer has custody. The certificate must be made under seal: (i) by a judge of a court of record in the district or political subdivision where the record is kept; or (ii) by any public officer with a seal of office and with official duties in the district or political subdivision where the record is kept. The procedure set up to make challenges is as a political matter in the Federal legislature when the electoral college ballots are opened and counted. UNITED STATES CODE The following provisions of law governing Presidential Elections are contained in Chapter 1 of Title 3, United States Code (62 Stat. 672, as amended): TITLE 3 THE PRESIDENT Chapter 1. Presidential Elections and Vacancies [...] Counting electoral votes in congress § 15. Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o'clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.
Oh really. Show me where he proved he was a citizen. I understand your sympathy for Obama not being born here yourself. But the constitution requires our president to be a natural born citizen. If Obama has a birth certificate he could very easily clear this up. My bet is that he is not natural born or at the least became a citizen of Indonesia. The upon turning 18 years of age he could have reclaimed his citizenship but he neglected to do that. I also think you voted for Obama. Come on admit it.
Thanks for posting that. I saw that video selection on youtube but just watched it when you posted it. Thanks again.
YW. Only six missing pieces.. eh? This part: RACE: Africa. ummm.
Fake.
He was a candidate on the California ballot. Maybe that's why he brought the challenge in CA.
thank you. Excellent post though I haven't read it all yet. I'm going to pass this on to some interested people.
I also think you voted for Obama. Come on admit it. I think you completely missed the point of the post. All these law suits will come to naught and it is the wrong way to handle it. What it takes is someone from the House and a Senator from the same state to contest the Electoral College vote. It is the only Constitutional way.
If 44 was legal, he would have proved it by now. Keep it simple.
Have you taken a real close look at bHO? Do you have the same gnawing feeling that something is terribly wrong? Bush had the goofy expressions and this guy has a grin that just goes straight thru me. He makes my skin crawl.
Bullshit. "we the people" have standing per constitution. We shouldn't have to wait around for someone from house or senate to make a fuss. Show me in the constitution where it says that is the remedy. SOMEONE NOT BORN HERE IS NOT ELIGIBLE PERIOD. If he was born here then that is fine he can be president and I wish him well.
Chan has been pimping for Obama for quite a while. He is like his calling in life.
No we don't. We don't elect the President, therefore we don't have standing.
Bullshit I aint no stinking slave. Nothing personal but you sound like a parrot who listens to the government and their lawyerspeak. Reject it. We are citizens we are mentioned in the constitution. The constitution requires a native born leader. Quit thinking like a slave.
Perhaps but that doesn't make this particular information wrong. I found the same information in an article written by and for people who are not Obama shills and probably believe, like you and I, that he is not a citizen. Written by Jim Capo The North Carolina State Board of Elections has been responding to inquiries. 1) NC SBOE confirms they accept, without question names for the presidential ballot as submitted to them by the state certified parties. DEM, GOP and Libertarian for 2008. 2) As the state DEM party submits names they are told to by the DNC, it appears there no requirement that a candidate legally certify to a private political party that they are eligible to be president. 3) Because it is the Electoral College that elects our POTUS, voters nor a BOE have standing to challenge the constitutional qualifications of a POTUS. 4) Outside of driving a novel case all the way up to the Supreme Court, the convening of the electoral college to count votes is the step where a formal challenge can occur…and is required to be resolved. 5) If I understand the US code correctly (go to section 15), to challenge the electoral votes as they are being counted in Congress, requires a minimum of one House member and one Senate member from the same state, to submit in writing, during the time of counting, the reason for their challenge to the votes from a particular state being counted. (States ballots are counted in alphabetical order) The challenge must be resolved before the counting of elector votes is allowed to continue. There were calls to contest the election results in the Electoral College in 2000 and 2004. There may be again for 2008. sigh. I tried. I can't make you listen.
I am a stubborn person. Look I like you. I think you are on the right side. Here is the point. Our government isn't living up to its obligations under the constitution. This not having standing is just bullshit talk by lawyer judges so they can dismiss cases unethically. There is nothing in the constitution that defines this process. But it does say the president has to be a natural born citizen. We the people are supposed to be the owners and they our servants. Now why isn't the servant answering the master?
Another way to look at is like this. THEY DON"T HAVE STANDING. They constantly lie steal and cheat. They are dishonorable and therefore they have no standing. There take that. :)
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestAllen Keyes Files Lawsuit in Obama
#2. To: randge (#0)
#3. To: christine (#1)
Allen Keyes Files Lawsuit in Obama
#4. To: Old Friend (#3)
I voted for Keyes in the 2000 primaries and maybe the 96 one too. It is good to see that he is useful for something.
#5. To: randge (#0)
The plaintiff as a candidate as well as his co-plaintiffs as candidates and candidate electors have standing.
#6. To: OliviaFNewton (#5)
(Edited)
#7. To: Tatarewicz (#2)
Seems much ado about nothing.
#8. To: Dakmar (#6)
Barrack Obama is the new pepsi machine/sneaker with glow in the dark pink orange and purple plastic knobs.
The most eye-opening civics lesson I ever had was while teaching third grade this year. The presidential election was heating up and some of the children showed an interest. I decided we would have an election for a class president.
#9. To: randge (#7)
#10. To: OliviaFNewton (#5)
If the electors can not cast a vote without a ruling from the court, then what? Biden and Hillary?
#11. To: Dakmar (#6)
#12. To: randge (#10)
You know what they say about the devil you know.
#13. To: randge (#11)
The operant word here is knob.
#14. To: Dakmar (#6)
#15. To: Jethro Tull (#14)
Aren't you and Sandy Duncan neglecting your clown ministry?
#16. To: OliviaFNewton (#12)
#17. To: Old Friend (#15)
#18. To: Jethro Tull (#17)
#19. To: randge (#16)
There's nothing for ringside action like the Korean parliament. Those boys can land a punch.
#20. To: Jethro Tull (#14)
Aren't you and Sandy Duncan neglecting your clown ministry?
#21. To: randge (#0)
63. Senator Barack H. Obama is a candidate for the Office of the President of the United States. However, to assume such office, Senator Obama must meet the qualifications specified for the Office of the President of the United States, which includes that he must be a "natural born" citizen. Senator Obama has failed to demonstrate that he is a "natural born" citizen.
70. Should Senator Obama be discovered, after he takes office, to be ineligible for the Office of President of the United States of America and, thereby, his election declared void, Petitioners, as well as other Americans, will suffer irreparable harm in that an usurper will be sitting as the President of the United States, and none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal.
Thursday, November 13, 2008
http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rules.htm#Rule902
http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/Rule44.htm
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/provisions.html#law
#22. To: nolu_chan (#21)
Obama has evidently satisfied all requirements to be on the ballot in California.
#23. To: Old Friend (#22)
#24. To: OliviaFNewton (#23)
#25. To: Old Friend (#24)
Thanks for posting that. I saw that video selection on youtube but just watched it when you posted it. Thanks again.
#26. To: nolu_chan (#21)
#27. To: Old Friend, rotara, lodwick, Original_Intent (#3)
I voted for Keyes in the 2000 primaries and maybe the 96 one too. It is good to see that he is useful for something.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#28. To: nolu_chan, rotara, Original_Intent, lodwick (#21)
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#29. To: Old Friend (#22)
Oh really. Show me where he proved he was a citizen. I understand your sympathy for Obama not being born here yourself. But the constitution requires our president to be a natural born citizen. If Obama has a birth certificate he could very easily clear this up. My bet is that he is not natural born or at the least became a citizen of Indonesia. The upon turning 18 years of age he could have reclaimed his citizenship but he neglected to do that.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#30. To: farmfriend..all (#27)
#31. To: lodwick (#30)
#32. To: farmfriend (#29)
All these law suits will come to naught and it is the wrong way to handle it. What it takes is someone from the House and a Senator from the same state to contest the Electoral College vote. It is the only Constitutional way.
#33. To: farmfriend, nolu chan (#29)
#34. To: Jethro Tull (#31)
#35. To: Old Friend (#32)
Bullshit. "we the people" have standing per constitution.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#36. To: farmfriend (#35)
No we don't. We don't elect the President, therefore we don't have standing.
#37. To: Old Friend, nolu chan (#33)
Chan has been pimping for Obama for quite a while. He is like his calling in life.
Obama citizenship and the Constitution
Wednesday, 29 October 2008 12:33 Update - November 3rd am:
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#38. To: Old Friend (#36)
Nothing personal but you sound like a parrot who listens to the government and their lawyerspeak. Reject it. We are citizens we are mentioned in the constitution. The constitution requires a native born leader. Quit thinking like a slave.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#39. To: farmfriend (#38)
sigh. I tried. I can't make you listen.
#40. To: farmfriend (#38)
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