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Title: How Clinton-forced Lending to Poor Blacks Brought Down the World Economy
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Published: Nov 16, 2008
Author: Me
Post Date: 2008-11-16 08:57:57 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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Views: 289
Comments: 20

We keep hearing from the cretinoid talk shows, their bottom-feeding pseudo- economist impersonator friends and assorted propagandist ghouls that it was Clinton's and the Democrats' leftist-socialist policies of lending to undeserving Blacks that's responsible for where we are now. So... let's do the math.

Over-generous Assumptions:
- As many as 5 million poor black families, representing HALF of the entire US Black population received affirmative action loans.
- HALF of them defaulted in the past 2 years (not during Clinton's time and not during the first 6 years of Bushism but ALL of them defaulted recently)
- The mortgage values for their subprime, ghetto purchases averaged $100,000 - this is highly exaggerated given that a pre-crisis ghetto mansion could be bought for $30-40k.
- Once they defaulted, the banks could only recover half of the unpaid balance.

So, let's see what loss these Blacks and their enablers are accountable for and how they brought down the world economy.

5,000,000 black families * $100,000 average mortgages * 1/2 of them who defaulted * 1/2 of the value that could not be recovered by banks after foreclosure.

The above is as very generous formula. It is unlikely that 5 million black families received affirmative action subprime loans. It is unlikely that the average amount of those mortgages was $100,000, it is unlikely that half of them defaulted in the past 2 years and it is unlikely that the banks could only recover half of the mortgage amount. But, let's do the math, shall we?

The Excel formula would be:

=5000000*100000*0.5*0.5 and it returns $125,000,000,000 - or $125 billion.

Compare the above to the amounts the Bushists spend in Iraq and Afghanistan and other parts to blow up things and kill people. It's less than one year of stupid 'war on terror'.

Compare the above to the 'stimulus' distributed last summer.

Compare the above to the $700 billion Paulson is playing with currently.

Compare the above with the trillions countries all over the board are dumping unto banks, insurance companies and state-sponsored speculators.

Keep in mind that AIG alone seems to be receiving close to $125 billion in government 'investment', sufficient to cover all the losses that could be attributed to affirmative-action loans made to poor blacks.

Now, let's hear the cretinazis explain how a POSSIBLE (but highly unlikely) loss of up to $125 billion that can be attributed to affirmative action loans to poor Blacks (less than one year worth of Bushist spending in Iraq and comparable to last summer's 'stimulus' or to government's intervention in AIG's affairs) can't be fixed with trillions and trillions of government intervention.

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#1. To: All (#0)

Oh, I forgot. There's now talk of another $300 billion stimulation package meant, again, to cover for the possible $125 billion given away to poor darkies thanks to Clinton's socialist-liberalist excesses.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-11-16   9:03:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

Government intervention in home ownership and deregulation have the primary responsibility for subprime mortgage defaults. When tax incentives are given by government "that subsidize the lending institutions" bankers benefit, and homeowners are shafted. This scheme forces people to buy more home than they need just to offset their unruly tax burden, and the beneficiary is the bank. 30 year financing is ludicrous.

I'm not even talking about the subprime class of home loan. Subprime borrowers didn't need a tax offset in most instances. The entire industry went nuts when government began to mandate the subprime lending requirements for banks and a cottage industry for things called derivatives took off like a rocket into never, never, never land ... to an estimated destination of $600 Trillion Dollars.

Many things that we take for granted are intervention frauds. Insurance in almost all occurrences is real fraud that benefits Insurance companies to the detriment of taxpayers. Look at health insurance. You pay for it all of your lifetime while in most instances you're healthy. Then when you get old and weak, you're put on medicare, and the taxpayer becomes liable while the insurance companies are let off of the hook. Pure bullshit.

Your auto insurance is no different. You should only pay to insure your own car irrespective of how the damage might occur. Every other person should insure their own car in the same way. Those choosing to insure are covered and those choosing otherwise are not ... it's simple, but we've been convinced that we need uninsured motorists, comprehensive ... blah, blah, blah,

Now these insurance companies are refusing to insure manufacturers like GM or Ford re; their debt related to ordering parts etc., from vendors. This hasn't always been the case at all. Most businesses either paid their bills on a 30 day billing or 60 day billing etc., and were given a discount for paying early.

A business that's feasible and makes a profit shouldn't be in the business of borrowing continually to make payroll or buy parts ... but we have become credit addicts. The best thing that could happen is that these parasitic bankers and insurance scum would be put out of business right along with the U.S. Government if they don't get the fuck out of the way and quit imposing draconian practices upon industry and the taxpayers. It's complete nonsense that generally flies in the face of the very principles that made this country great.

Finally, Insurance companies deny claims everyday. They litigate cases where they are liable but know they can save money by litigating against someone that can't afford the court system. Until we organize and stand in unison against these very organized criminals ... we will continue to suffer their horseshit. Should we unite against the established order they will crumble like a house of cards. Our only defense against their system and organizing skills is our numbers and our will power. If we don't use it, we lose it.

Where's your birth certificate Barack ?

noone222  posted on  2008-11-16   9:30:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

- As many as 5 million poor black families, representing HALF of the entire US Black population received affirmative action loans.

This is a wildly inaccurate number. Blacks, by any demographic estimation, are 12-14% of the US population. You also forgot to add Hispanics and illegals, many of whom were given no doc loans.

Disgusted  posted on  2008-11-16   9:32:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: noone222 (#2)

Let's keep the focus on 'the Blacks'.

I agree that the gov't intervention does not help the vast majority of us. My analysis is on the attempt to blame this disaster on the government forcing banks to help Blacks specifically. It shows that it's B.S. Loans to underserving Blacks can not bring down the world economy. It's something else.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-11-16   9:33:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Disgusted (#3)

5 million FAMILILES represent 15-20 million blacks. How many illegals do you believe got mortgage loans? 1000? 10,000? 50,000?

Let's be serious, shall we?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-11-16   9:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Disgusted (#3)

The poster said "5 million black FAMILIES" ... "HAVING MORTGAGES" ... the number is fairly close.

The number being thrown around relative to ILLEGALS having subprime mortgages is also 5 million. (That instantly calls into question the popular estimate of 12 million total illegals in the country ... making it seem to be closer to 30- 40 million.)

Where's your birth certificate Barack ?

noone222  posted on  2008-11-16   9:37:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#4) (Edited)

It shows that it's B.S. Loans to underserving Blacks can not bring down the world economy. It's something else.

I think you're correct, the mortgages to undeserving blacks and illegals could not bring down the international economic system.

Legalizing derivatives is that something else.

EDIT: 95% of all economics is digital ... hit the delete button and start anew !

Where's your birth certificate Barack ?

noone222  posted on  2008-11-16   9:41:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: noone222 (#6)

Interestingly, a study by the Economic Policiy Institute shows that the Black home ownership declined from a peak of 49% to 47% (see Figure B). In other words, it is possible that TWO PERCENT of all black families defaulted on their mortgages in the past 4 years. If we count about 10 million black families, 2% would give us 200,000 Black defaults. If you multiply 200,000 by $100,000 and assume that banks only recovered half of the value they lent, you will find Blacks responsible for FIVE BILLION DOLLARS of losses.

You want to add to that the 2 or maybe five illegals who got a loan and did not pay it back? Go ahead. Then show me your figures and see how they compare with any other government excesses.

Use your head bro.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-11-16   9:48:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#8)

See number 7 "bro" and you should use your head !

Where's your birth certificate Barack ?

noone222  posted on  2008-11-16   9:50:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: noone222 (#9) (Edited)

This is exactly my point. The topic was the cretins that scream about affirmative action loans as largely responsible for bringing down the world economy.

It's okay to hate thy neighbor if you so wish but accepting the stupid idea that a few loans to a few Blacks are responsible for today's problems is self- delusional.

By the way, what's preferable: waste a million dollars to send over a cruise missile to take down a wedding in Iraq or waste a million dollars on 10 Black families so that they can live in homes they don't deserve? I bet that the stupid neocons would go for the 'cruise' alternative without thinking twice. Or even once.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-11-16   9:59:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, noone222 (#0)

Nimrod;

When discussing the Dusky-Ones, lets limit our discussion to how they helped to collapse the AMERICAN HOUSING MARKET, not the global economy as you suggest.

A significant amount of the mortgage meltdown can be traced back to multiculturalism: government-mandated affirmative-action lending, demographic change, illegal immigration, and the effects of political correctness. See the many FMae-FMac posts that are scattered about this forum. Search under my name since I posted many. As your hero, the Rev. Wright might say; the chickens have finally come home to roost.

About half of all mortgages for blacks and Hispanics are subprime, versus roughly one-sixth for whites. Not surprisingly, the biggest home price collapses have occurred in heavily Hispanic cities such as Las Vegas, Miami, Phoenix, and Los Angeles.

As you know the market isn't depressed in some locations. In lilly white Centre county we're experiencing a boom actually, I have no idea what you're facing being closer to Philly, but it's never good living too close to THEM.

Peace and love and never stop seeking the truth.

PS: noone made an excellent point. Mortgages were packed into derivitives irregardless of their credit rating - triple As were stacked with sub-primes. As the derivatives were sold on the global market, the subs began exploding like dye packs, spoiling the entire "investment." Stick that up your Uncle Remus.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-11-16   14:47:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Jethro Tull (#11)

Sorry, I don't have time to address all the issues that you raised and with which I disagree. Only, on the last one: the mortgages were absolutely NOT packaged together, regardless of risk. In fact, there were classes of securitized mortgages and the main criterion WAS 'risk'.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-11-16   15:09:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#11)

Stick that up your Uncle Remus.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ... is that near the briar patch ???

Where's your birth certificate Barack ?

noone222  posted on  2008-11-16   15:11:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#12)

HERE

Funds and banks around the world have taken hits because they purchased bonds, or risk related to bonds, backed by bad home loans, often bundled into financial instruments called collateralized debt obligations, or C.D.O.’s.

The losses have often surprised the investors, and in some cases the funds and the executives of the banks, who were unaware of the extent of their risks.

The crisis extended as far as the $2.2 trillion money market that finances the day-to-day operations of businesses, as investors wondered whether the underlying assets were sound. “It’s amazing how much ignorance and fear are out there,” said Kevin Davis, a professor of finance at the University of Melbourne.

The confusion about these products lies in part in their complexity. Structured products are pooled assets that have been sliced and diced into ever more smaller, more specialized pieces.

They offered investors higher returns at a time when traditional fixed income, or debt-related products, were producing low returns.

As low interest rates fueled a lending boom to borrowers with weak credit, banks looked for new ways to package those loans, so they could sell more. A central building block to offset the risk was asset-backed securities, which are bonds backed by pools of mortgages or other income-producing assets, like student loans, auto loans, and credit card receivables.

Banks and other financial institutions pooled those asset-backed securities into new units, dividing them up again and issuing securities against them, creating collateralized debt obligations.

The idea took off, with new combinations that were further removed from the original asset. New creations included C.D.O.’s of C.D.O.’s, called C.D.O.- squared. There is even a C.D.O.-cubed.

According to JPMorgan, there are about $1.5 trillion in global collateralized debt obligations, and about $500 billion to $600 billion in structured-finance C.D.O.’s, referring to those made up of bonds backed by subprime mortgages, slightly safer mortgages and commercial mortgage backed securities.

Many of the products have proved to be highly problematic as the underlying assets — the subprime mortgages — have gone bust, revealing dangerous amounts of leverage in the securities that few people could value. As a result, they have become like a potent computer virus, leaving many people fearful that they too will be affected.

“A lot of risk in the subprime asset-backed market is embedded in, and amplified by, C.D.O.’s,” said Rod Dubitsky, head of asset-backed research at Credit Suisse.

Weaknesses in the system were laid bare, including ratings that did not accurately reflect risk and faulty assumptions on how diversified pools with multiple layers of leverage would react.

That in turn spooked investors in other markets, who started selling anything they thought might be risky, from stocks to loans, and in some cases putting their money into cash.

-click on link for part 2

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-11-16   15:26:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: noone222 (#13)

Uncle Remus

:P

Uncle Remus is located just north of the tar baby and south of the briar patch.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-11-16   15:29:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

That in turn spooked investors

There ya go ... right there !

Where's your birth certificate Barack ?

noone222  posted on  2008-11-16   15:44:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

Insanity bump

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-11-25   15:32:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull (#17)

Crazy-ass thread that makes noooooo sense bump!

Lady X  posted on  2008-11-25   17:02:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

Straw man. Nobody said that affirmative action mortgage loans to blacks is the one and only factor that "brought down the world economy." Minority loans were a CONTRIBUTING factor to the mortgage crisis in this country, a bad policy on top of dozens of other bad policies and practices.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-11-25   17:49:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

Actually, more than the subprimes was the fact that the age old (!) requirement of 20% down was nixed due to housing inflation in the early 90's.

Houses weren't affordable at that much down, so many were financed with 15, 10, 5 and even 0 down.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-11-25   17:51:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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